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(Topless Robot)   The five most depressing issues of Marvel Comic's speculative series "What If...?"   (toplessrobot.com) divider line 114
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2012-11-19 10:24:28 AM  
I had a lot of those in the 70s.

Then the main Marvel continuity just went ahead and made them mainstream stories.

"What if Phoenix had Lived?"

ha.
 
2012-11-19 10:28:51 AM  
Is 'What if the Invisible Woman Had Died' included?
 
2012-11-19 11:09:02 AM  
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/Depressing that it never happened in real life.
 
2012-11-19 01:20:16 PM  
I don't recall there being any upbeat "What If...?"s.

Usually, lots of people died.
 
2012-11-19 01:21:05 PM  
Came here for Rick James as The Hulk.

Super-freaky, ow!
 
2012-11-19 01:28:56 PM  

kmmontandon: I don't recall there being any upbeat "What If...?"s.

Usually, lots of people died.


What If (second series) #105... the first appearance of Spider-Girl.

No one died (even though Normie Osborne went crazy and was locked up), and it served as the springboard for the extremely positive and fun MC2 Universe.
 
2012-11-19 01:32:03 PM  
Was not one of the more "depressing" stories of the "What-if" series the story that featured Peter Parker entirely abandoning his creed of "with great power comes great responsibility" by rejecting any responsibility for a fatal injury caused to his Aunt may that was a consequence of him revealing his secret identity, and instead making a deal with Mephisto to erase his entire marital history with Mary Jane?
 
2012-11-19 01:34:48 PM  

Dimensio: Was not one of the more "depressing" stories of the "What-if" series the story that featured Peter Parker entirely abandoning his creed of "with great power comes great responsibility" by rejecting any responsibility for a fatal injury caused to his Aunt may that was a consequence of him revealing his secret identity, and instead making a deal with Mephisto to erase his entire marital history with Mary Jane?


No, that was Joe Quesada dropping trou and taking a massive, steaming shiat on Spider-Man.

/for an encore, he flung his steaming feces at Spider-Girl, canceling the long-running, lower-selling, yet profitable fan favorite book so his pet sassy Latina character could have the name. Naturally, the new Spider-Girl's book lasted all of 8 issues.
 
2012-11-19 01:35:01 PM  
Sorry, but THIS was the most depressing Marvel what if story of all time:

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2012-11-19 01:35:14 PM  
So... The Punisher can kill spider-man now?

I know it's just a "what if", but if you're going to make it ridiculous, then what's the point?
 
2012-11-19 01:38:32 PM  
Why didn't Franklin help his father? Like, at all? Franklin is basically God of the Marvel Universe...
 
2012-11-19 01:39:30 PM  

kmmontandon: I don't recall there being any upbeat "What If...?"s.

Usually, lots of people died.


I always joked that the full title was "What if the worse possible out come happened"
 
2012-11-19 01:43:11 PM  
The place where Logan kills Weapon X in the "What if...Wolverine fought Weapon X?" is by my house.
 
2012-11-19 01:43:21 PM  
Nope. It's this one.


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2012-11-19 01:44:04 PM  

sure haven't: So... The Punisher can kill spider-man now?

I know it's just a "what if", but if you're going to make it ridiculous, then what's the point?


Spider-Man may have a lot of powers, but he's not invulnerable. A gunshot can take him out, just like anybody else; you just have to be a lot luckier to actually hit him.
 
2012-11-19 01:50:11 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Sorry, but THIS was the most depressing Marvel what if story of all time:

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Jesus, that's a depressing read. Then there's this, where Peter has his entire life pretty much destroyed and finds nothing to fight for:

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2012-11-19 02:00:01 PM  
Glad to see What If The Punisher Killed Daredevil on there. I used to have What If on my pull list, and that was, by far, the bleakest one they had made (losing Atlantis Attacks was pretty bad, too). I still remember the panel when an enraged Spider-Man beats the living shiat out of Punisher, while Punisher was thinking to himself "he's been holding back this entire time."

/that alone made Spidey pretty cool for a month or two
 
2012-11-19 02:01:16 PM  
What If the X-Men Lost Inferno (volume 2, #6)

Wolverine eats a baby.

/nuff said
 
2012-11-19 02:12:24 PM  
Although, really, "What If ...?" has nothing on the festering pile of sh*t known as "Ultimatum," in the "brutally killing off well liked characters" department.
 
2012-11-19 02:16:20 PM  
The Avengers respond to the situation and things go badly. With very little effort, Galactus subdues each team member without taking a scratch. When Iron Man is teleported to the World Ship to steal the Ultimate Nullifier, he sets off a metal-sensitive alarm (which the Human Torch didn't trigger)...

Damn, son, you best wipe that off after pulling it out of your ass.
 
2012-11-19 02:19:25 PM  
Got nothin' on Tangled Web, which tells the tale of Crusher Hogan, the time Rhino got smart, what happened to a bully that knew how spidey got his powers and tried to emulate him, Norman chatting with other villains and seeing how pitiful the Vulture is, what happens to loyal minions of Kingpin every time Spidey succeeds.
 
2012-11-19 02:28:22 PM  

The Martian Manhandler: Nope. It's this one.


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I agree. The Beast/Thing continued transformation issue was the most depressing. Who doesn't like Beast? The other ones were over the top tragic in their "what ifs". That issue is heart wrenching.

/comicbooknerd
 
2012-11-19 02:28:29 PM  
Always loved the What If's.

I think my favorite one is a Punisher book, even though I really dislike him as a character. Punisher inherits the symbiote suit and goes on a massive criminal killing spree. Turns out, Frank is one of the few people whose own hate and drive can keep the symbiote in check. It's a pretty cool issue.
 
2012-11-19 02:29:00 PM  
WHAT IF PUNISHER WIPED OUT THE MARVEL UNIVERSE!?!

I think this was a "What If" comic and is easily the most depressing "what if". Frank Castle is NY Police Officer whose family gets killed during a fight between the Xmen, Avengers, Fantastic Four, and the Skrulls. Frank flips and kills Cyclops, Jubilee, and a bunch of other heroes. Frank is captured and sent to prison to be executed only he doesn't arrive. A rich guy paid off the guards to deliver Frank to him. The rich guy explains to Frank that he and bunch of other innocents were hurt or lost someone due to superheroes and they want vengeance. They agree to outfit and finance Frank if he becomes the Punisher.

Frank becomes the Punisher and kills Spiderman first, then hits Hulk with a tracking dart and finds an unconscious Banner and kills him. He then takes on Doc Doom and kills him with a sledgehammer. Punisher then uses Doom's weapons to go after other heroes. He convinces the Xmen, Avengers, various other superheroes, Magneto, Apocalpyse, and the Mutant Brotherhood to meet on the moon to fight only to find out that the Punisher had rigged some nukes to kill them. The Punisher kills Wolverine by pushing him into some electrical power boxes and kills Capt. America in single combat. Punisher kills almost everyone but still his vengeance is not sated.

I thought it was a great comic and kind of depressing. With all the superhero/villian fights that there have been surely some innocents were killed accidently by the heroes. And some people would get upset about this...then I read Garth Ennis's "The Boys" and....yeah...brutal but good!
 
2012-11-19 02:31:14 PM  
(Movie version, X-Men 4:) What If...Cyclops wasn't such a raging pussy?

Also, they never did a "What if Speedball never got duped into causing the explosion that set off the Civil War? He never becomes Penance (in what is the saddest page of a comic book I've ever read), and...?

// thinly-read on my comics
// pretty good grasp of characters/origins, though
 
2012-11-19 02:31:19 PM  
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/bleak
//"Hulk will kill you ALL!"
 
2012-11-19 02:32:49 PM  

kmmontandon: I don't recall there being any upbeat "What If...?"s.

Usually, lots of people died.


It always smacked a LITTLE bit of ego as they were basically saying "Unless things turned out EXACTLY like they actually did, EVERYthing would go COMPLETELY to shiat!!"

Fano: Got nothin' on Tangled Web, which tells the tale of Crusher Hogan, the time Rhino got smart, what happened to a bully that knew how spidey got his powers and tried to emulate him, Norman chatting with other villains and seeing how pitiful the Vulture is, what happens to loyal minions of Kingpin every time Spidey succeeds.


Hogan and Rhino's stories started out depressing, but found a nice middle-ground for a happy ending. And that Osborn one remains my absolute favorite from the series.
 
2012-11-19 02:36:31 PM  
I liked "What if Hulk had Killed Wolverine?"
 
2012-11-19 02:37:34 PM  

The Martian Manhandler: Nope. It's this one.


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OMG, which one is that?

As depressing as some of the What If...? issues were, some of the Elseworlds were goddamn soul-shattering. I remember one w/The Flash when some psycho scientist was trying to clone him but kept getting it wrong. He leads Flash to a corridor of glass rooms, each containing a boy--young Flash clones. One clone was completely paralyzed but had a mind thousands of times sharper and faster than Stephen Hawking but no way to move or communicate. Another couldn't stop vibrating and was slowly killing himself because his internal organs were liquefying. One looked like a manta ray. Can't remember the issue or much about the plot but I remember how these poor kids were just trapped in these horrible lives.
 
2012-11-19 02:39:52 PM  

Dr Dreidel: (Movie version, X-Men 4:) What If...Cyclops wasn't such a raging pussy?

Also, they never did a "What if Speedball never got duped into causing the explosion that set off the Civil War? He never becomes Penance (in what is the saddest page of a comic book I've ever read), and...?

// thinly-read on my comics
// pretty good grasp of characters/origins, though


Pretty sure they did a couple Civil War issues. Can't remember that one specifically though.
 
2012-11-19 02:40:51 PM  

Empty Matchbook: kmmontandon: I don't recall there being any upbeat "What If...?"s.

Usually, lots of people died.

It always smacked a LITTLE bit of ego as they were basically saying "Unless things turned out EXACTLY like they actually did, EVERYthing would go COMPLETELY to shiat!!"

Fano: Got nothin' on Tangled Web, which tells the tale of Crusher Hogan, the time Rhino got smart, what happened to a bully that knew how spidey got his powers and tried to emulate him, Norman chatting with other villains and seeing how pitiful the Vulture is, what happens to loyal minions of Kingpin every time Spidey succeeds.

Hogan and Rhino's stories started out depressing, but found a nice middle-ground for a happy ending. And that Osborn one remains my absolute favorite from the series.


Osborne's expression as he delivers the line "it was a BLAST!" is magnificent. Tangled Web was an excellent series. The Last Shoot was a marvelous addition to Spider-man mythology.
 
2012-11-19 02:41:20 PM  
where are :

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MUGATO
BRONIES

THIS IS YOUR THREAD!
 
2012-11-19 02:42:26 PM  
My favorite was "What if the Marvel Super Heroes had lost Atlantis Attacks?" Vol.2 #25 (May, 1991)

From the wiki: The issue is a very downbeat tale, where all of Earth's heroes are massacred by Set and his brainwashed brides, who Set impregnates with his evil spawn. Only Silver Surfer and Quasar survive, and with the help of Thor (who is horribly burned and placed in stasis to keep him alive), destroy two of Set's heads before Quasar, backed by the power of Captain Universe, sacrifices his life to exile himself and Set inside Doctor Strange's Eye of Agamotto. Silver Surfer gives the Eye to the Watcher for safe keeping, as Set's children are born; they then consume their brainwashed mothers and countless mindless serpent men and women before leaving to terrorize alternate universes in the name of their evil father..... 

Another one is What if Wolverine was lord of the vampires?, Vol.2 #24
 
2012-11-19 02:43:18 PM  

texdent: Is 'What if the Invisible Woman Had Died' included?


No, it isn't. It really should be on there though. I enjoyed that one quite a bit. The ending was very well executed.
 
2012-11-19 02:44:05 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: where are :

FANO
MUGATO
BRONIES

THIS IS YOUR THREAD!


Already posted multiple times, Mr. Scameron.
 
2012-11-19 02:44:49 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Sorry, but THIS was the most depressing Marvel what if story of all time:

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I loved that story, especially as a companion to Marvels. But my favorite actual "What If.." is:

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Particularly because Professor X was the new Iron Man and the Venom suit had devoured all but Peter's skeleton.

kmmontandon: I don't recall there being any upbeat "What If...?"s.

Usually, lots of people died.


www.samruby.com
 
2012-11-19 02:51:35 PM  
Best What The--?!:

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2012-11-19 03:01:19 PM  
This was better than the cracked article I expected. It's interesting to see how tragic the what if series was.
 
2012-11-19 03:01:35 PM  
I liked this one...scary stuff for a 12-year old during the Cold War. Funny how its one of those things that is applicable all over again today.

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2012-11-19 03:03:17 PM  

kmmontandon: I don't recall there being any upbeat "What If...?"s.

Usually, lots of people died.


[Can't visit the list because it's blocked. So I can't tell if this one is on there...]

Frank Miller wrote a twist on the worst alternative world perspective, too, way back in the day. It had the Watcher visiting Matt Murdock after Elektra died, when he was visiting her grave. He then narrates an alt universe where Elektra lived, and they actually live happily ever after because they just head off to a tropical paradise together. At the end of the narrative, Murdock is wordlessly crushed by this happiness he'll never know, and Watcher "consoles" him by saying, "...but in this universe, the city never lost its savior..."

Pretty brutal in a purely "Well, THANKS for that..." kinda way.
 
2012-11-19 03:07:02 PM  
Spoiler Alert: Everybody dies.

That series was always so ridiculously bleak. Everytime I read an issue I was struck by the realization that these Marvel 'heroes' were all complete psychopaths and all it took was a single slight change in events for them to freak out and start murdering everybody in sight.
 
2012-11-19 03:07:49 PM  

Fano: Got nothin' on Tangled Web, which tells the tale of Crusher Hogan, the time Rhino got smart, what happened to a bully that knew how spidey got his powers and tried to emulate him, Norman chatting with other villains and seeing how pitiful the Vulture is, what happens to loyal minions of Kingpin every time Spidey succeeds.


Fun fact: The Crusher Hogan story was written by former ECW champion Raven.
 
2012-11-19 03:14:00 PM  
Stupid article references Elseworlds from DC like it's the progenitor comic. What-If predates it by over a decade. And has had more issues, and prints
 
2012-11-19 03:21:56 PM  

Max Awesome: That series was always so ridiculously bleak. Everytime I read an issue I was struck by the realization that these Marvel 'heroes' were all complete psychopaths and all it took was a single slight change in events for them to freak out and start murdering everybody in sight.


That's true of pretty much everyone, not just "heroes".
No one is a killer until they are.
And what does it take to make you one? A "slight change in events", that's all.
 
2012-11-19 03:23:34 PM  

ds615: Max Awesome: That series was always so ridiculously bleak. Everytime I read an issue I was struck by the realization that these Marvel 'heroes' were all complete psychopaths and all it took was a single slight change in events for them to freak out and start murdering everybody in sight.

That's true of pretty much everyone, not just "heroes".
No one is a killer until they are.
And what does it take to make you one? A "slight change in events", that's all.


Jim Gordon says no.
 
2012-11-19 03:23:35 PM  

ds615: Max Awesome: That series was always so ridiculously bleak. Everytime I read an issue I was struck by the realization that these Marvel 'heroes' were all complete psychopaths and all it took was a single slight change in events for them to freak out and start murdering everybody in sight.

That's true of pretty much everyone, not just "heroes".
No one is a killer until they are.
And what does it take to make you one? A "slight change in events", that's all.


All it takes is "one bad day."

All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
 
2012-11-19 03:43:14 PM  
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Spoiler: Conan became a pimp.
 
2012-11-19 03:57:02 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: [24.media.tumblr.com image 455x700]

Spoiler: Conan became a pimp.



Makes Wolverine his biatch too, if it's the one I'm thinking of.
 
2012-11-19 04:04:09 PM  
It's a complete and utter FAIL without that "What if Phoenix had Lived" book. Wow, that one was Dark.
 
2012-11-19 04:08:31 PM  
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