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(Yahoo)   So apparently the only reason Tel Aviv isn't littered with smoking craters is because the Israel-hating, secret Muslim president of the US made sure they hade the "Iron Dome" rocket intercept system   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 68
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2012-11-19 10:47:51 AM  
4 votes:
The article i read before this was an interview with a woman who lost four children all under eight in a strike against [whothefarkcares.jpg]. As a person who's lost a child and knows that pain well, a giant mother-farking fark-you-up-the-ass for every person involved in the death of an innocent child, whatever side.

You're both as bad as each other. Enjoy your hells. Especially you, Israel. Evil assholes.

/rage
//drunk
2012-11-19 03:25:59 PM  
3 votes:
My son in law is from the West Bank. After hearing his stories, and doing my own non-governmental research (Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and others) I have come to these conclusions:

1. Israel is an aggressive nation. Having the right to defend yourself is one thing, trying to occupy and kill your way into an adjoining country, is another.
2. Almost every Palestinian is raised to have feelings about the Israelis ranging from "dislike" to "extreme hatred".
3. Palestinians are so used to having the IDF in their territory they are numb to their existence. Until, of course, the IDF utilizes its hundreds of fixed and flying roadblocks or plows down houses and shoots rock throwing children. Israeli occupiers have built modern, multi-laned highways in the West Bank that only Israeli settlers are allowed to use. Israeli settlers are encouraged to aggressively take land, with the aid of the IDF.
4. Hamas does NOT represent the political views of the average Palestinian.
5. The Gaza Palestinians had little recourse in accepting the leadership of Hamas, although the Palestinian Authority still has influence there. Hamas is a dangerous entity, and Gaza Palestinians are trapped in their territory.
6. The Palestinian Authority, however small in size and power, are trying to legitimize the right of the Palestinian people to become a Nation.

As a Canadian, I am ashamed that my government, along with the USA and others, have refused to recognize the Palestinians to become a Nation at the U.N. Absolute cowards that cow-tow to a bully nation.

Someone posted above asking what has Israel done for the U.S. other than take financial support?
Israel, in return for US assistance offers intelligence, multi-level clandestine operations, intimidation and elimination of those pesky Arabs on behalf of those unwilling to risk political futures for a sense of comfort in knowing there is "someone else" to do their dirty work. 

No, I can't back up every one of my comments with specific document, page or reference.
Yes, I am upset with the present situation and how it will affect us in the west.
2012-11-19 02:24:13 PM  
3 votes:

cman: Finally an article about Obama and Israel gets greened (unless I have missed one)

The left wing has herped and derped for days now about the evil right and their support of Israel while not saying a damn thing about Obama and his support of their actions. It will finally be nice to see the fark left take up the cause and bash the president


OK, fark Obama for his unconditional support of Israel. I'm not slaven to any party politic. I go on the issues. I happen to vote Democrat because they represent more of my issues than the GOP, but they are both way off on this one. Support for Israel is nothing more than institutionalized Christianity.
2012-11-19 02:15:36 PM  
3 votes:

snuff3r: The article i read before this was an interview with a woman who lost four children all under eight in a strike against [whothefarkcares.jpg]. As a person who's lost a child and knows that pain well, a giant mother-farking fark-you-up-the-ass for every person involved in the death of an innocent child, whatever side.

You're both as bad as each other. Enjoy your hells. Especially you, Israel. Evil assholes.

/rage
//drunk


Sorry for your loss, snuff3r, as I know exactly how you feel.

That's why war should be avoided at all costs because innocents die on both sides. I cannot hold Israel totally responsible for these children's deaths as Hamas has recklessly attacked Israel with rockets, bombs, and human Kamikazes. Children have died past from these attacks. More could have died if not for this missile defense system. Israel's response is simply self-defense. How we keep getting to this point of conflict is explained by a quote from a well-known Israeli.

"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." ~ Golda Meir
2012-11-19 10:58:23 AM  
3 votes:
Finally an article about Obama and Israel gets greened (unless I have missed one)

The left wing has herped and derped for days now about the evil right and their support of Israel while not saying a damn thing about Obama and his support of their actions. It will finally be nice to see the fark left take up the cause and bash the president
2012-11-19 10:57:37 AM  
3 votes:

Magorn: Now someday I'm going have to write a humor novel about the end of the world where ALL the competing doomsday scenarios from all the worlds's religions and myths come true setting off an absolute logistical nightmare...


American Gods called, Neil Gaiman would like to remind you he's already written this book.
2012-11-19 10:45:43 AM  
3 votes:

doglover: Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim

No. Israel plays no part in the Ragnarok.

The good news is, with global warming, the Fimbulwinter is highly unlikely.


Gawd almighty, do you realize what you've just done? Now someday I'm going have to write a humor novel about the end of the world where ALL the competing doomsday scenarios from all the worlds's religions and myths come true setting off an absolute logistical nightmare...(and it will of course have to feature Thor and St MIchael going toe to toe at some point)
2012-11-19 04:25:17 PM  
2 votes:
"They moved from Morocco as refugees? Really? Was it a result of the pogroms BORN of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. So, wait, let me get this straight ... They moved as refugees to a country that started the same war that resulted in their persecution in another country. Ah, got it.
"

Pogroms in Morrocco started in 1892. The option of getting the fark out of there only opened in 1948.

But do parade your ignorance some more.
2012-11-19 04:18:42 PM  
2 votes:
2012-11-19 04:17:54 PM  
2 votes:
No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.


Actually, this boy was born there, and his family moved from farking Morocco as refugees.

Oh, right, you don't know that half of Israel's Jews are refugees from Arab countries?
2012-11-19 03:39:56 PM  
2 votes:
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seadoo2006: So ... who is the aggressor in this fight? The group of people that barged into Jerusalem and annexed a new state from a group of people living there already? Or the group of people that had their land stolen from them in 1948 to make way for 'war reparations' because in 6000 years, somehow the Jews cannot stop themselves from being blown up, burned, or crucified?

Fark it, let the whole region burn in some nuclear fiery event. The US and UN should clear every person out of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, tell them if they can't peacefully find a way to share the land in three months, the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.


Pretty sure that site is only particularly meaningful to Christians. Could be wrong.
2012-11-19 03:12:14 PM  
2 votes:
Obama stated on the news 2 days ago that, "Israel has the right to defend itself from threats OUTSIDE its borders" (read, The Gaza Strip). So, the Gaza Strip is now not part of Israel? The US vehemently denied Palestine's request to be recognized as a sovereign nation last year, making it still a part of Israel, but now Obama says they are a separate country outside of Israel's borders and are attacking Israel??!!

F*ck US foreign policy. F*ck Israeli domestic policy. How many innocent people have to die - especially Palestinians - before this atrocity is finally stopped?!
2012-11-19 02:58:37 PM  
2 votes:

Decados:
Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.


Persia under Cyrus and Darius
Al-Andalus prior to the Granada massacre
Ottoman Empire from 1300 to 1800


What do all three of those have in common? The Jews were left alone and neither persecuted for religious beliefs nor exalted for being different. A shocking revelation: not treating a minority as a minority created stability and tolerance.
2012-11-19 02:58:32 PM  
2 votes:

Decados: Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.


Today. New York, Florida, etc. You know, places where they're stopped from farking around with other peoples lives on a massively meddlesome scale.

We're not talking about Jews. We're talking about Israelis (and Palestinians). Maybe you don't see the difference?
2012-11-19 11:26:40 AM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: GAT_00: The money doesn't even get there. It goes directly from appropriation for "aid" to the companies.

Do they at least have to sign the back of the check?


Heh. But you're right, it's corporate welfare. It's exactly the kind of cuts that need to happen in our government. There should be no selective tax breaks for companies. It is not the government's job to see that a company succeeds with a tax break. They can be across the board breaks that companies can meet the requirements of, but there should never be one on one breaks. The government should never directly commission a business.
2012-11-19 10:41:11 AM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim


No. Israel plays no part in the Ragnarok.

The good news is, with global warming, the Fimbulwinter is highly unlikely.
2012-11-19 10:35:14 AM  
2 votes:
Most ANTI ISRAEL president EVAR.
2012-11-20 08:00:18 PM  
1 votes:
In all fairness, Israel DID pay for it....think of it more as flipping a house. Obama got 70 mil approved for the purchase, and then re-sold it for a profit. A communist did a business deal? Now THAT is impressive.
2012-11-19 08:56:55 PM  
1 votes:
Fark dumbwads. Funding and development was done by Israel. Obama had absolutely nothing to do with this system. Another example of liberal stupidity and their groveling on behalf of their annointed one.
2012-11-19 07:07:57 PM  
1 votes:

Decados: Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.


Also, claiming that you are God's chosen people and making it difficult/impossible for other people to convert to your religion isn't a great way to make friends and influence people. When your entire cultural philosophy is built around telling everybody else in the world that they're inferior to you, you might just make some enemies.
2012-11-19 06:11:39 PM  
1 votes:
vygramul
Iron Dome is not going to be defeated by GPS-guidance or anything the Palestinians are going to be able to deploy. Making their missiles more accurate won't matter to Iron Dome.

No, but if more rockets have a trajectory that Iron Dome responds to, then more will hit. If Hamas etc shoot 1000 but only 200 are actually heading towards anything, Iron Dome will take out 100 missiles and 100 will hit. If 800 are heading toward something, 400 will hit.

Also, I'm sure Iran is working on figuring out exactly how Iron Dome targets. I suppose it's a combination of radar and thermal signature. Possibly magnetic as well. Beat those and that intercept rate gets less impressive.

I doubt if Iron Dome will be beat but it's clear there's a lot of room for an arms race. I will note that the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan won the technological arms race in IEDs vs IED countermeasures.


The Stealth Hippopotamus
It's exactly as I said before we've come to a point that we need to pick sides. Sometimes you cant broker a peace.

At this point I'm half-serious about thinking a UN task force to disarm both sides might be the best solution. It could be staffed with troops from Argentina, Japan, Scandinavia, other places where nobody gives a fark about Jews or Muslims.
2012-11-19 05:30:32 PM  
1 votes:

ocschwar: Oh, are you? Then look at your own church's role in all this. You're yammering on and on about why Sderot's Moroccan refugees didn't go elsewhere, well, guess what: your church had a major role in keeping the doors to Jewish emigration firmly shut throughout the 20th Century. Emigration to the US was not an option until 1965, for example.


I have no problem admitting that, hell, the WASP-yness of this country has only elected one Catholic President ... and then prompty shot him.

But see, that's where I differ ... I don't give one flying iota what religion you are. My uncle married a Jew back in the 1970s when they secretly wed because it was such a faux pas to do so. My SO comes from a pretty Protestant family. But that's the thing ... who the fark cares? I don't. I live my life without thinking of religion save for one hour every Sunday because that's the religion I was born into.

I'm an Irish Catholic ... 100+ years ago, there were NINA signs in many business windows ... Northern Irish Protestants had been trying to press their religion onto southern Irish Catholics. Hell, the IRA was blowing up most of Ireland for the better part of the last 40 years.

Religion is the basis of conflict and in that regard, fark religion. Thus, why I said, blow the whole of Israeli to smitherines ... if you cannot get along, you don't get to be there. Go somewhere else or live to fight another day on your radioactive wasteland. Hell, 30 years ago, I would've said the same thing about Dublin and Belfast ... wipe them both clean off the map, then wipe out the countryside. If you can't get along, don't expect to live there for very long.

Religious conflict is retarded ...
2012-11-19 05:15:49 PM  
1 votes:

Well, admittedly by pre-WW2 history is weak, but all I was trying to say is that that boy's parents emigrated from Morocco in a post-Arab-Israeli-War world. The 1948 Arab-Israeli war did nothing but take all the Islamic nations, turn their hatred of Jews up to 11 and start the ball rolling for a massive cluster fark in the Middle East.


Dude, these were people who used to have to walk barefoot in Morocco's alleys, right by the open sewers, becuase only Muslims could wear shoes.

It sucks to be hated, but it's so much worse to be despised.

Serious point: I don't give a flying fark. I'm Catholic

Oh, are you? Then look at your own church's role in all this. You're yammering on and on about why Sderot's Moroccan refugees didn't go elsewhere, well, guess what: your church had a major role in keeping the doors to Jewish emigration firmly shut throughout the 20th Century. Emigration to the US was not an option until 1965, for example.
2012-11-19 04:38:26 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Antimatter: hasty ambush: I blame Reagan and others for failing to listen to progressives who said missile diefense would never work 

[www.mom4freedom.com image 640x572]

Wake me when IDF shoots down a ICBM traveling a few times the speed of sound.

Because that's what Reagan was promoting. Iron dome is a local areas rocket protection for non ICBMs. It's very effective, and no one ever said such things wouldn't work.

"Iron Dome" missile defense system is an outgrowth of the U.S. Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)


No it's not, it's an outgrowth of the patriot missile system, which was not covered by SDI, thankfully.
2012-11-19 04:38:21 PM  
1 votes:

vygramul: RanDomino: Since no one's posted it in this thread yet

And that's what kills me about "it's Palestinian land" arguments. It's arbitrary to pick whether it was "originally" Israel's, Palestine's, etc. And tends to be indicative of whose bias the arguer is adopting.



I'm in favor of giving it back to Rome.  They won it fair and square.
2012-11-19 04:34:48 PM  
1 votes:

RanDomino: ocschwar
Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">

If you want to play Duelling Casualties Porn, you'll lose.


if you are only post pictures of living children missing limbs, those seem ok for the thread.
2012-11-19 04:29:44 PM  
1 votes:

seadoo2006: ocschwar: [imageshack.us image 400x600]

Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">

No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.

You don't see me moving to inner city Cleveland because my family has some "claim" to the land down in Collinwood Nope, I removed myself from the problem and avoided getting shot at every other day. It's a wonder these people are so god damn stubborn about living their lives in a war zone and then getting pissy when someone's leg gets blown off.


Why do you hate jews?

I kid i kid, we both know we could honestly give a flying fark one way or the other but yea....somebody is bound to say it.

We pretty much need a media and financial blackout for that entire region with nary a whisper unless one side or the other gets completely wiped out. "Is it completely and permanently over finally? no? then we dont wanna hear about it."

Been listening to this same bullshiat for 40 farking years now. Is it over? No? then who gives a fark, stop sending them my money please.
Them? Yea ALL of them, egypt too, and those farking house of saud rich farkers who dont even need my money as well. If the entire region slid into the ocean I think we could finally just applaud the silence.
2012-11-19 04:22:30 PM  
1 votes:

seadoo2006: ocschwar: [imageshack.us image 400x600]

Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">

No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.

You don't see me moving to inner city Cleveland because my family has some "claim" to the land down in Collinwood Nope, I removed myself from the problem and avoided getting shot at every other day. It's a wonder these people are so god damn stubborn about living their lives in a war zone and then getting pissy when someone's leg gets blown off.


Its sure getting Stormfronty in this thread.
2012-11-19 04:17:15 PM  
1 votes:
The Israeli policy of "Seven eyes for an eye, seven teeth for a tooth" is immoral and the United States is complicit with it.
2012-11-19 04:08:42 PM  
1 votes:

LookForTheArrow: These comments.. I'm sure Einstein would be proud to know we march on proudly... to oblivion.

Do try to keep a bright side, eh? At the bottom we are all humans, not jews and arabs - and I, being neither of either, see just a small pool of futility at the bottom of an emptied well whether it comes hi-tech, or low.

It's fantastic we can make systems that defend from rocket attack - as foreseen for quite some time - now use that precious time of advantage to make overtures of peace, from a position of strength, directly to people. Its hard to ignore someone who offers aid when they could put a boot on your neck.

The opportunity exists here, for a moment, to speak in the very face of irrationality (rocket attack) and here's the question: is it a chance to laugh off attackers or to bypass them and broker directly to the palestinian peoples. I pray (and i am not religious) we can cap the advanced weaponry genie before it's too late, but this is all like a freaking ad for it.. what country won't have this soon, reduced to useless with some simple trick, starting the cycle over again but more ruthlessly? Use this chance.


Again, the answer is obvious. Erase it from the map. Permanently. Have the UN put a time table on it. Either they both agree to LASTING peace or the place gets wiped out. The world would be a better place if these sand monkeys lost everything they care about because Mr. Jew can't get along with Mr. Muslim and Mr. Christian hates them both.
2012-11-19 04:07:32 PM  
1 votes:

SpaceBison: sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net


Come on now! Get ahead of the game!

Photoshop this with the BIMBO DOUGH BOY.
2012-11-19 04:05:06 PM  
1 votes:
cman
The left wing has herped and derped for days now about the evil right and their support of Israel while not saying a damn thing about Obama and his support of their actions. It will finally be nice to see the fark left take up the cause and bash the president

Partisans have infinite tolerance for cognitive dissonence.


The Stealth Hippopotamus
So missile defense doesn't escalate tensions.

It seems to let Israel think they can do anything with impunity.


AirForceVet
That's why war should be avoided at all costs because innocents die on both sides. I cannot hold Israel totally responsible for these children's deaths as Hamas has recklessly attacked Israel with rockets, bombs, and human Kamikazes. Children have died past from these attacks. More could have died if not for this missile defense system. Israel's response is simply self-defense.

You twisted, shameless, sick fark.


SuperNinjaToad
ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.

Furthermore it's only a matter of time until Qassams include simple GPS and countermeasures for whatever Iron Dome uses to track them.


SpectroBoy
So let's say some guy is punching you. Your defense is good and he only hits you one out of ten times. Would you escalate your defense? Or simply defend indefinetely until he eventually beats you to death?

Unless you're a complete farking moron, you'll find out why he's punching you.


Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy
Taking away that capability is eventually going to disabuse Hamas of the notion that it can get anywhere through continued violence, and will help force it to the negotiation table.

And what will bring Israel to the table? What incentive will they ever have to give up the West Bank and end the blockade of Gaza?

Do you seriously think it's possible to impose 100% perfect peace through force? Without making the survivors' #1 goal getting revenge? What happens when someone just bides their time for ten or twenty years and blows something up then? Are we back to square one?

Israel's demand for absolute guaranteed safety is an unrealistic expectation and the key problem. If they would be willing to deescalate (evidence suggests that it's even OK to retaliate, as long as they go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties as opposed to the current "Sorry we killed a family but there was a militant in the building" policy and the target is the actual attackers rather than tit-for-tat) then this would have been over years ago. But deescalation does nothing to help create the excuse to take the West Bank, and would be responded


signaljammer
How can anyone regard Obama as a liberal? I think he is best described as an amoral opportunist.

Are you saying that's a contradiction?
2012-11-19 04:04:10 PM  
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: [rt.com image 370x277]
Iron Dome Defensive battery


[www.aerospaceweb.org image 550x400]

Quassam rockets


ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.

All Hezbollah/Hamas etc needs to do is keep firing these rockets and Israel will be bleed to financial ruins.


THAT's the "Rocket" the IDF is getting so worked up about? I've seen the amatuer hobbyists of the L&DRA launch bigger rockets than that
2012-11-19 04:00:49 PM  
1 votes:
In the spirit of equality, shouldn't we give Palestine the same technology to prevent them from being bombed as well?
2012-11-19 03:59:54 PM  
1 votes:

seadoo2006: the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.


I could be wrong but I don't think the US has anything that big. The Soviets tested one that size, but I don't think it wasn't a deployable bomb (more like three semi tractors pushed together). Besides the fact that Bush jr cut nearly half our arsenal, we haven't built any new ones in 20 years. I think the biggest we ever built was the W53 9 MT warhead used on the Titan II. All of which have been decommissioned.
2012-11-19 03:45:04 PM  
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: \seadoo2006: So ... who is the aggressor in this fight? The group of people that barged into Jerusalem and annexed a new state from a group of people living there already? Or the group of people that had their land stolen from them in 1948 to make way for 'war reparations' because in 6000 years, somehow the Jews cannot stop themselves from being blown up, burned, or crucified?

Fark it, let the whole region burn in some nuclear fiery event. The US and UN should clear every person out of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, tell them if they can't peacefully find a way to share the land in three months, the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.

Pretty sure that site is only particularly meaningful to Christians. Could be wrong.


A 50MT warhead on a site within a mile of the three holiest sites in Abrahamic religious would permanently wipe them all off the map. Gethsemane, the Wailing Wall, and the Dome of the Rock ... literally, a 500kg bunker buster would theoretically take them all out, but the symbolism of a thermonuclear device which leaves Jerusalem as a smoldering radioactive crater for the next 100 years seems more appropriate.
2012-11-19 03:38:07 PM  
1 votes:

LazerFish: This is the kind of stuff a pastor in my area is posting on his facebook:
[i.imgur.com image 630x1026]


That must be a batsh*t congregation to put up with a sick freak like that as a pastor.
2012-11-19 03:37:41 PM  
1 votes:
So ... who is the aggressor in this fight? The group of people that barged into Jerusalem and annexed a new state from a group of people living there already? Or the group of people that had their land stolen from them in 1948 to make way for 'war reparations' because in 6000 years, somehow the Jews cannot stop themselves from being blown up, burned, or crucified?

Fark it, let the whole region burn in some nuclear fiery event. The US and UN should clear every person out of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, tell them if they can't peacefully find a way to share the land in three months, the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.
2012-11-19 03:26:11 PM  
1 votes:
"Our missiles will blot out the un!"

"Then we will fight in the hade!"
2012-11-19 03:20:37 PM  
1 votes:
Iron Dome, Iron Dome
Friendly neihborhood Iron Dome
Stops Qassams, more-or-less
Where they'll land? Have a guess.

I'm safe - thanks to the Iron Dome!

In the cool desert air
There's a flash in the night
Iron Dome's taking care
That we all can sleep tight
2012-11-19 03:16:38 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: just unlikely.


read the thread. You don't attach Nazi pictures to peoples posts in a Israel thread. Its ugly. I can complain about more, but thats all the argument I need.

Party Boy: At any rate, are you up to giving your outrage to the guy giving wrong figures? Are you going to keep trying to keep trying to jump down my throat?

Are you going to similarly show outrage to the Israeli government for claim to all of Jerusalem - and working towards that goal with settlement expansion?

Well see.


Nope on these counts. Look, address that, and we can continue. Otherwise, this is a tilted discussion. Direct your problems to the guy who was wrong. Address the outrage you had for one to the other.
2012-11-19 03:15:29 PM  
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: Join me in pledging my life to dear leader!!


...because the only two choices are hate him like Stalin or love him like Jesus.
2012-11-19 03:08:07 PM  
1 votes:

cman: Finally an article about Obama and Israel gets greened (unless I have missed one)

The left wing has herped and derped for days now about the evil right and their support of Israel while not saying a damn thing about Obama and his support of their actions. It will finally be nice to see the fark left take up the cause and bash the president


It's internally consistent to both support supplying Israel with defensive weaponry to protect civilian populations and landmarks that are part of the world cultural heritage, and also oppose Israel's racist colonization policy and its policy toward the Palestinians that reinforces the cycle of terrorism and retribution. "I don't like what you're doing, but I don't want you to die either."

If anything, Iron Dome is ultimately good for peace in the region. Rocket attacks are pretty much the only weapon Hamas has left in its arsenal that has a reasonable chance of being effective against Israel. Taking away that capability is eventually going to disabuse Hamas of the notion that it can get anywhere through continued violence, and will help force it to the negotiation table.
2012-11-19 03:02:30 PM  
1 votes:
IDF, meh Hamas, phoey.

This is the real military threat to the region.

www.deviantart.com

/This thread needs more Domo Kun! 
//GIF is hot
2012-11-19 02:56:44 PM  
1 votes:
Wasn't Iron Dome developed and built by the Israelis? I thought the big deal in the last few years was trying to get US contracts for resupply and parts.

YES. But apparently the current MSM horseshiat is that the Obamessiah "gave" it to the Israelis.

I've been following Iron Dome development for a couple of years now. The Israelis came up with it, and bought *some* technology from the US for it (mainly radar components), with the US insisting that the Israelis "share" their complete system technology with us as payback.

The key innovation is the Israelis map the target area, and when the Iron Dome radar picks up an incoming rocket, it predicts where the rocket is going to land. If it's landing in an uninhabited area, Iron Dome does nothing. If it's heading for an inhabited area, it launches an interceptor.

The interceptors cost $100,000 each. They don't use them to shoot down $1000 rockets unless the rocket is a threat to Israelis.
2012-11-19 02:55:31 PM  
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kindms: This doesn't compute. Either it works and is awesome so no need for Israel to launch attacks in to gaza or it doesn't work and there should be no praise for the US giving the Israelis junk defense weapons and they have a reason to go in to gaza


So if some guy is shooting at your house, but you have bullet proof glass, and reinforced walls so nothing gets through, there is no reason to respond?

Decados: Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex


Ok, Amos.
2012-11-19 02:51:48 PM  
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SuperNinjaToad: Israel will be bleed to financial ruins


Someone is going to hemorrhage money, and it ain't going to be Israel.
2012-11-19 02:40:42 PM  
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An iron dome sounds brittle. Should have used an alloy.
2012-11-19 02:38:45 PM  
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Tommy Moo: Can anyone name one thing this "ally" has ever done for the U.S.? They are an arrogant little shiat of a country, full of hubris on the grant that we will give them unconditional financial support and moral authority. It is literally true that Israel could announce tomorrow that they are intentionally targeting schools with the purpose of killing as many Palestinian children as possible, and not one prominent American politician would criticize them. So let me say it then: fark Israel. You exist because Christians in this country want you in place to bring about Apocalypse as described in the Book of Revelations. It's a macabre absurdity!


You're forgetting about good old WWII guilt. On the whole though, I actually agree. Israel is the most worthless 'ally' have. Sure, we have some who do us no good, but Israel actually does us negative. It's a morass that we will never escape out of.

Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.
2012-11-19 02:37:45 PM  
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so we gave them this awesome missile defense but the rockets are the main justification for bombing the crap out of gaza ?

This doesn't compute. Either it works and is awesome so no need for Israel to launch attacks in to gaza or it doesn't work and there should be no praise for the US giving the Israelis junk defense weapons and they have a reason to go in to gaza.

if this article is to be believed it is suggesting that the rocket attacks aren't that big of an issue as they have the "Iron Dome" so that would mean the Israeli response is yet again disproportionate and it really isn't a direct result of said rocket attacks.
2012-11-19 02:33:43 PM  
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Tommy Moo: Can anyone name one thing this "ally" has ever done for the U.S.?


www.lead-times.com

pansonfire.com

4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-11-19 02:32:36 PM  
1 votes:
Is there anything Obama can't do?!

He is completely without flaw. Its possible that he actually is a god who has taken human form.

Join me in pledging my life to dear leader!!
2012-11-19 02:31:43 PM  
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Party Boy: Looks like theres a more indepth article on this. Someone ran the numbers, and there are inflated figures going around.

Dissecting IDF propaganda: The numbers behind the rocket attacks .


The IDF is openly making up shiat? Shocking. When was the last time the IDF told the truth?
2012-11-19 02:27:49 PM  
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Tommy Moo: Can anyone name one thing this "ally" has ever done for the U.S.? They are an arrogant little shiat of a country, full of hubris on the grant that we will give them unconditional financial support and moral authority.


That whole area is full of despots and royal douchebags at least the Israelis are socially liberal and democratic by comparison.
2012-11-19 02:22:08 PM  
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Can anyone name one thing this "ally" has ever done for the U.S.? They are an arrogant little shiat of a country, full of hubris on the grant that we will give them unconditional financial support and moral authority. It is literally true that Israel could announce tomorrow that they are intentionally targeting schools with the purpose of killing as many Palestinian children as possible, and not one prominent American politician would criticize them. So let me say it then: fark Israel. You exist because Christians in this country want you in place to bring about Apocalypse as described in the Book of Revelations. It's a macabre absurdity!
2012-11-19 02:21:38 PM  
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And also because Hamas rockets are like glorified bottle rockets...
2012-11-19 02:21:32 PM  
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Funny how war breaks out there just before each Israeli election...
2012-11-19 02:20:23 PM  
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I_C_Weener: Over 8000 rockets had been fired into Israel over the last 4 years.


Wow is that number ever a moving target. Another week of this and the common wisdom will be 1 trillion rockets per hour for the last 100 years.
2012-11-19 02:03:08 PM  
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Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim

You're weird.


I was traveling 100% for my job, and they were very popular at the time, and easy to pick up in airport bookstores. I was thinking maybe I could appreciate them on the level of like The Omen and such. Turned out to be an interesting social experiment. You wouldn't believe the True Believers who struck up conversations with me. It gave me alot of insight, actually.

Which was good because the books really sucked. Poorly written regardless of the subject matter. Luckily I could ingest a volume in about 3 hours.
2012-11-19 01:53:44 PM  
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Party Boy: (2008) 361 + (2009) 569 + (2010) 150 + (2011) 680 (rockets+mortars) + (2012) 1,540


So only 3300? So we cool right? Under 5k and it's not a problem? No reason to get all uptight about only a few high explosives being chucked toward ya
2012-11-19 01:48:46 PM  
1 votes:
Looks like theres a more indepth article on this. Someone ran the numbers, and there are inflated figures going around.

Dissecting IDF propaganda: The numbers behind the rocket attacks .
2012-11-19 01:45:06 PM  
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I_C_Weener: Over 8000 rockets had been fired into Israel over the last 4 years


Huh?

(2008) 361 + (2009) 569 + (2010) 150 + (2011) 680 (rockets+mortars) + (2012) 1,540
2012-11-19 12:43:19 PM  
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People, people, people: let's focus on what really matters: subby wrote "hade" instead of "had".

/unless the admins correct it and make me look like a fool for bringing it up.
2012-11-19 11:46:45 AM  
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The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not sure how you got on the topic of taxes, but I like to respond if I'm able.


Well, I was talking about the role of government and corporate welfare, so selective tax benefits are related. But ending all corporate taxes is where you've gone completely off the path and I'm getting the hell out now.
2012-11-19 10:59:37 AM  
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So missile defense doesn't escalate tensions.
Giving money to Israel is now a good thing.


You do know that Israel buys the vast majority of their arms and tech from the US? So basically every dollar that we send over there for that purpose is just dressed up corporate warfare for the military industrial complex.


/personally have no problem with any of this.
//just wanting the Obama-manics to try to justify this
///Obama was right to do that, still losing to the broken clock.
2012-11-19 10:48:21 AM  
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I_C_Weener: Over 8000 rockets had been fired into Israel over the last 4 years.  I'm pretty sure that Israel is justified in Iron Dome, Dome Kun and anyother thing they want to do right now.


Look the Iron Dome is a great idea, but releasing this guy civilian populations in Gaza?:

www.iphone-blog.me

That's just going too far.
2012-11-19 10:43:42 AM  
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doglover: Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim

No. Israel plays no part in the Ragnarok.

The good news is, with global warming, the Fimbulwinter is highly unlikely.


Easy there, Thor.
2012-11-19 10:39:46 AM  
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This is just more evidence that not only is Obama a muslim loving communist, he's also incompetent. Imagine the hell we would be living in if he weren't so stupid.
 
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