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(Yahoo)   So apparently the only reason Tel Aviv isn't littered with smoking craters is because the Israel-hating, secret Muslim president of the US made sure they hade the "Iron Dome" rocket intercept system   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 386
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2012-11-19 06:03:51 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: semiotix: But remember, this is rocket defense. Palestinian rockets are slower than (say) Soviet ICBMs by a factor of approximately one squintillion (which is why this kind of thing can actually work). More to your point, anti-rocket rockets do not require giant weapon-like "defenses" to be hung in space over the head of the people you're defending yourself against.

Also, an anti-rocket system that knocks down 50% of the rockets is a success. An anti-rocket system that knocks down 80% of the rockets is a resounding success. A missile defense system that knocks down 99.98% of nuclear missiles is a catastrophic failure (especially if its existence caused missiles to be launched in the first place).


So it's just a matter of scale? Remember if you stop a Palestinian missile you save maybe (high side) 4-5 lives and some property damage. If you stop an ICBM you save millions of lives and billions in property damage. And just cause we currently cant do it doesnt me we stop trying.

Now here is a question for those who know how the defense works. Are they shooting them down over Israel? I'm just thinking that two falling rockets would lead to more damage. What happens when one misses?



Well, apparently the system tries to take that into account when plotting it's intercept. For example, if a rocket is going to fall in an uninhabited area, the rocket is not intercepted. Then they also try to take into account where the debris from a successful interception or a miss will fall and change the interception point to minimize damage on the ground. Obviously you can't plan for everything and the computer does not always make a good decision, but they do try to minimize damage and expenditure of interceptor missiles.
 
2012-11-19 06:03:57 PM  
Again, there was all of Western Europe available to them after 1945.

You're so wrong it's hard to know where to start. The Western European countries were pushing
Jewish DP's into Poland.

So the US was closed off, that's not unheard of even today

And the entire English speaking world. Google voyage of the St. Louis and the Evian Conference for the gory details.

Sorry, you can't just take inhabited territories, expel all the people living there,

That's what the Czechs did to the Sudetenland Germans at the same time.
That's what Greeks did to Turks. That's what Turks did to Greeks.
And that's what Arabs did to Jews all over the Arab World: massacres, property confiscations. 800,000 Jews fleeing INTO Israel from Arab countries.
Not to mention India and Pakistan.
 
2012-11-19 06:05:18 PM  

seadoo2006: But you cannot honestly make the argument that it's all Hamas's fault when you know, you stole the land from the 800,000 Palestinians that were forced off their land and expelled from the newly formed Israeli state in 1948 and guess what, Israel started that war ...


The preemptive argument in 3...2...
 
2012-11-19 06:07:49 PM  

doglover: Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim

No. Israel plays no part in the Ragnarok.

The good news is, with global warming, the Fimbulwinter is highly unlikely.


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doglover: Diogenes: doglover: Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim

No. Israel plays no part in the Ragnarok.

The good news is, with global warming, the Fimbulwinter is highly unlikely.

Easy there, Thor.

What, me worry?

[images.wikia.com image 430x422]


I find these comments relevant to my interests.
 
2012-11-19 06:08:43 PM  

ocschwar: Again, there was all of Western Europe available to them after 1945.

You're so wrong it's hard to know where to start. The Western European countries were pushing
Jewish DP's into Poland.

So the US was closed off, that's not unheard of even today

And the entire English speaking world. Google voyage of the St. Louis and the Evian Conference for the gory details.

Sorry, you can't just take inhabited territories, expel all the people living there,

That's what the Czechs did to the Sudetenland Germans at the same time.
That's what Greeks did to Turks. That's what Turks did to Greeks.
And that's what Arabs did to Jews all over the Arab World: massacres, property confiscations. 800,000 Jews fleeing INTO Israel from Arab countries.
Not to mention India and Pakistan.


Okay, so you get the war you asked for. Now when the Islamic bomb is finally finalized and they nuke Tel-Aviv, don't come crying to the rest of the world. Deal with the bed you made yourself and stop trying to drag the US into some pissing match with Iran because they want to wipe you off the map.

Again, try turning the other cheek and going all Jesus H. Christ on your detractors ... I heard opening your borders and tearing down walls would be a good idea. Oh, and maybe letting the thousands in the Gaza Strip back into Israel to be land owners and productive members of society.

I don't particularly care is Israel wants to have their own shiat fit, but stop begging the US and the UN for aid against the rocket attacks from Hamas. Sounds like you're just begging them to rain horror down on your streets for the way you so non-chalantly say that's the way the world works when it comes to taking land from others.
 
2012-11-19 06:11:25 PM  
I just had to check out what the Freepers thought of this. Of course, there's no mention of Obama insuring that Israel had this system. Instead it's "Yay Reagan! He was right about Star wars, it works. YAAAAY REAGAN. Soopid libruls must be so pissed that Saint Ronnie has been vindicated and proven right. Reagan."
 
2012-11-19 06:11:39 PM  
vygramul
Iron Dome is not going to be defeated by GPS-guidance or anything the Palestinians are going to be able to deploy. Making their missiles more accurate won't matter to Iron Dome.

No, but if more rockets have a trajectory that Iron Dome responds to, then more will hit. If Hamas etc shoot 1000 but only 200 are actually heading towards anything, Iron Dome will take out 100 missiles and 100 will hit. If 800 are heading toward something, 400 will hit.

Also, I'm sure Iran is working on figuring out exactly how Iron Dome targets. I suppose it's a combination of radar and thermal signature. Possibly magnetic as well. Beat those and that intercept rate gets less impressive.

I doubt if Iron Dome will be beat but it's clear there's a lot of room for an arms race. I will note that the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan won the technological arms race in IEDs vs IED countermeasures.


The Stealth Hippopotamus
It's exactly as I said before we've come to a point that we need to pick sides. Sometimes you cant broker a peace.

At this point I'm half-serious about thinking a UN task force to disarm both sides might be the best solution. It could be staffed with troops from Argentina, Japan, Scandinavia, other places where nobody gives a fark about Jews or Muslims.
 
2012-11-19 06:14:55 PM  

Okay, so you get the war you asked for.


So tell me: should the "Arab Jews" have just stayed in Morocco, SYria, et cetera, and continued to get massacred?

A simple yes or no would suffice here.

What we have here is a terrible ethnic war that forced some Arabs to leave the region as refugees, and forced some Jews to enter the region as refugees.

There were many such wars going on at the time.

You may not knwo this, but today's Greece once had many Turks living there.
And today's Turkey once had many Greeks living there.
You don't see Greeks and Turks rocketing each other.

You don't see Germans sending rockets into the Czech Republic.

You don't see Jews sending rockets into their former home towns in Morocco.

Yes, the Palestinians were driven out of their homes.
And Jews were driven out of their homes into Israel.

shiat happened. They have no right to send rockets over it.
 
2012-11-19 06:16:06 PM  

Again, try turning the other cheek and going all Jesus H. Christ on your detractors ... I heard opening your borders and tearing down walls would be a good idea.


And be a minority among Muslims once again ? fark that. It seems you completely ignore the fact that we were meek as lambs for centuries in the face of pogroms. Didn't work well at all.
 
2012-11-19 06:17:39 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So it's just a matter of scale? Remember if you stop a Palestinian missile you save maybe (high side) 4-5 lives and some property damage. If you stop an ICBM you save millions of lives and billions in property damage. And just cause we currently cant do it doesnt me we stop trying.


It's also worth noting that just because our publicly-known systems have an iffy hit rate, it's not inconceivable that the classified sector has already deployed something far better and far more efficacious in the meantime. By it's nature, missile shield technology is pretty damn sensitive unless it's being used as propaganda, and it could be up to 20 years ahead of the civilian sector
 
2012-11-19 06:19:50 PM  

ocschwar: Yes, the Palestinians were driven out of their homes.
And Jews were driven out of their homes into Israel.

shiat happened. They have no right to send rockets over it.


I'm not sure why this argument is so popular.

The "they" here shifts from Jews-Palestinians | to | Jews-Arabs in North Africa and Middle East | and then back to | Jews-Palestinians
 
2012-11-19 06:20:02 PM  

doglover: What, me worry?


cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2012-11-19 06:26:21 PM  

seadoo2006: ocschwar: Again, there was all of Western Europe available to them after 1945.

You're so wrong it's hard to know where to start. The Western European countries were pushing
Jewish DP's into Poland.

So the US was closed off, that's not unheard of even today

And the entire English speaking world. Google voyage of the St. Louis and the Evian Conference for the gory details.

Sorry, you can't just take inhabited territories, expel all the people living there,

That's what the Czechs did to the Sudetenland Germans at the same time.
That's what Greeks did to Turks. That's what Turks did to Greeks.
And that's what Arabs did to Jews all over the Arab World: massacres, property confiscations. 800,000 Jews fleeing INTO Israel from Arab countries.
Not to mention India and Pakistan.

Okay, so you get the war you asked for. Now when the Islamic bomb is finally finalized and they nuke Tel-Aviv, don't come crying to the rest of the world. Deal with the bed you made yourself and stop trying to drag the US into some pissing match with Iran because they want to wipe you off the map.

Again, try turning the other cheek and going all Jesus H. Christ on your detractors ... I heard opening your borders and tearing down walls would be a good idea. Oh, and maybe letting the thousands in the Gaza Strip back into Israel to be land owners and productive members of society.

I don't particularly care is Israel wants to have their own shiat fit, but stop begging the US and the UN for aid against the rocket attacks from Hamas. Sounds like you're just begging them to rain horror down on your streets for the way you so non-chalantly say that's the way the world works when it comes to taking land from others.


How will they come crying when they will be dead?
 
2012-11-19 06:29:03 PM  
A jewish friend of mine claims the Jews now have their promised land. Its now called Manhattan.
 
2012-11-19 06:30:55 PM  

ocschwar: Again, try turning the other cheek and going all Jesus H. Christ on your detractors ... I heard opening your borders and tearing down walls would be a good idea.

And be a minority among Muslims once again ? fark that. It seems you completely ignore the fact that we were meek as lambs for centuries in the face of pogroms. Didn't work well at all.


Deal with it. The blacks of America and the Native Americans went through a similar ordeal and you don't see them getting all uppity over starting a new nation in Guam or Puerto Rico or the Pacific atolls ... I mean, guess what, a little religious tolerance goes a long way. If you want to have a country, born of conflicted lands, and then say, "this is for Jews only go away Arabs!", well, eat the words you say and accept that people are going to be pretty pissed that you took them.

And, if you're meek as lambs, get the bigger gun. You've done just that and now you have to deal with getting pelted by rockets from Hamas. You can't just expect to peacefully steal lands from thousands of people and shove them into a containment zone in Gaza and expect everything to just be "fine". If that's the case, go back to your original borders, give the Golan Heights back to Syria and Gaza back to Egypt ... seems to me like you want to start your own country, then steal more land, then expect people to not want to kill you for it.
 
2012-11-19 06:31:49 PM  
What I am confused about is, when did the GOP/RIghtwing/Christians become so fond of Israel?

Oh, yeah, when they figured they could use it as a dig against our "muslim" president.


The thing about Israel is, it's absolutely TEEMING with Jews!

You know, they people that the 1%/WASP contingency tried so very hard to keep out of their universities, country clubs, business world etc.

Also given the fact that most slajawed right wing fundie christians believe your average Jew resembles something of a carcature with a giant hook nose, and is a money grubbing, christ killing, horned devil.
 
2012-11-19 06:33:35 PM  
That's gotta be a joke. The Iron Dome system has been in development since at least 2007 by Rafael Defense Systems. And it uses offshoot technology from SDI. Obama? I think not.
 
2012-11-19 06:34:10 PM  

seadoo2006: Sorry, you can't just take inhabited territories, expel all the people living there, form a new country


Uh . . . yeah. . .

About THAT.

seadoo2006: We don't need people who can't form a lasting peace on this planet anymore. I have no sympathy anymore for people who either have no desire or have no capability to have peace.


And um . . . THIS.

I know there's farkers living in other countries. So, maybe that's it.
But, if you're living in the U.S. then . . . ????
 
2012-11-19 06:35:19 PM  
You can't just expect to peacefully steal lands from thousands of people and shove them into a containment zone in Gaza and expect everything to just be "fine".

The ethnic displacement in this war was two directional.

For every single Arab family that lost their home, there was a Jewish family that lost their home.

Yes, we have every right to demand that the Palestinians take notice of that little fact there.

Just as if any Turk gets into high dudgeon about how his family was driven out of suburban Athens, the Greeks have every right to remind him of Greek families driven west out of the mainland.
 
2012-11-19 06:36:46 PM  

Tommy Moo: Can anyone name one thing this "ally" has ever done for the U.S.?


It's my understanding that they do all kinds of wetwork for us globally. Allows us to maintain plausible deniability.
 
2012-11-19 06:38:03 PM  

Phins: I just had to check out what the Freepers thought of this. Of course, there's no mention of Obama insuring that Israel had this system. Instead it's "Yay Reagan! He was right about Star wars, it works. YAAAAY REAGAN. Soopid libruls must be so pissed that Saint Ronnie has been vindicated and proven right. Reagan."


I've heard and read of him being called a socialist, a communist, a fascist, a Kenyan, a turd, and a secret mooslim. But, this is the first time anyone has accused him of being an insurance man, and it happened right here on Fark.
 
2012-11-19 06:42:02 PM  

WorthNoting: seadoo2006: Sorry, you can't just take inhabited territories, expel all the people living there, form a new country

Uh . . . yeah. . .

About THAT.

seadoo2006: We don't need people who can't form a lasting peace on this planet anymore. I have no sympathy anymore for people who either have no desire or have no capability to have peace.

And um . . . THIS.

I know there's farkers living in other countries. So, maybe that's it.
But, if you're living in the U.S. then . . . ????


I wholly agree with you and I live in the US ... the Native Americans should run the place. Our nation was also born of stolen lands, built with slave labor, and it makes me have a sad. But, I'm also in favor of open borders without immigration caps, I'm in favor of easily the requirements to become a US citizen, and I'm in favor of whatever needs to be done to make the Native Americans and ex-slave crowd happy. WHATEVER they want, they get, but once we do that, we're even and we can move on. The more the merrier here in the USA ... anyone that wants to become a US citizen should be allowed. Open borders for everyone. Maybe we could get our economy moving again with an influx of new and eager people ready to build their own American dream.

This whole notion that open borders would water down America is preposterous anyways.

I also think that US-born citizens should be required to take the same civic schooling and tests that immigrants are required to take.
 
2012-11-19 06:46:16 PM  

Turbo6inKY: MonoChango: seadoo2006: the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.

I could be wrong but I don't think the US has anything that big. The Soviets tested one that size, but I don't think it wasn't a deployable bomb (more like three semi tractors pushed together). Besides the fact that Bush jr cut nearly half our arsenal, we haven't built any new ones in 20 years. I think the biggest we ever built was the W53 9 MT warhead used on the Titan II. All of which have been decommissioned.

The Russian 58MT Tsar Bomba was a deliverable weapon and was air-dropped from an operational bomber when it was tested. The only reason it was 58MT instead of 100MT is they use lead instead of Uranium in certain parts of the design.


And even the Russians wanted the test plane to survive.
 
2012-11-19 06:53:09 PM  

hasty ambush: I blame Reagan and others for failing to listen to progressives who said missile diefense would never work 

[www.mom4freedom.com image 640x572]


get back to me when we can successfully shoot down an ICBM they're moving a few orders of magnitude faster
 
2012-11-19 06:59:28 PM  

BigNumber12: Magorn: THAT's the "Rocket" the IDF is getting so worked up about?

Not exactly.

Fajr-5


a horse of an entirely different color then:
varifrank.com

carry on
 
2012-11-19 07:00:17 PM  
Why can't Israel protect itself?

/Isolationist.
 
2012-11-19 07:07:57 PM  

Decados: Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.


Also, claiming that you are God's chosen people and making it difficult/impossible for other people to convert to your religion isn't a great way to make friends and influence people. When your entire cultural philosophy is built around telling everybody else in the world that they're inferior to you, you might just make some enemies.
 
2012-11-19 07:17:15 PM  

seadoo2006: drivel


I seriously hope that you're trolling. If not, and you're that much of a hopeless idealist...

seadoo2006: But, I'm also in favor of open borders without immigration caps, I'm in favor of easily the requirements to become a US citizen


Because it works everywhere else in the world, right?

Social Security System depending on recipients' paying in over their entire lives + required ER treatment for all + increasingly expensive treatment and medication + unregulated immigration of adults = just fine, right?

You really have no idea how precarious the state of our entitlements system is, do you? Do you have any comprehension of how strictly other Social States control their immigration? Our "we'll take everyone" approach to immigration was created when our government's financial obligation to its citizens was precisely jack shiat. If you change one side of that equation, you either change the other side, or you find your state failing.


seadoo2006: and I'm in favor of whatever needs to be done to make the Native Americans and ex-slave crowd happy. WHATEVER they want


Oh, how many ex-slaves do we have running around these days? Would you rather just say "black people," or is that not politically correct enough for your tastes?

What exactly do you believe members of "that crowd" would accept as "compensation" that would cause them to instantly and permanently drop all complaints based on past wrongs?

Not too familiar with humanity, are you?
 
2012-11-19 07:19:38 PM  

RanDomino: vygramul
Iron Dome is not going to be defeated by GPS-guidance or anything the Palestinians are going to be able to deploy. Making their missiles more accurate won't matter to Iron Dome.

No, but if more rockets have a trajectory that Iron Dome responds to, then more will hit. If Hamas etc shoot 1000 but only 200 are actually heading towards anything, Iron Dome will take out 100 missiles and 100 will hit. If 800 are heading toward something, 400 will hit.

Also, I'm sure Iran is working on figuring out exactly how Iron Dome targets. I suppose it's a combination of radar and thermal signature. Possibly magnetic as well. Beat those and that intercept rate gets less impressive.

I doubt if Iron Dome will be beat but it's clear there's a lot of room for an arms race. I will note that the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan won the technological arms race in IEDs vs IED countermeasures.


Iron Dome probably simply uses multiple radars. Unless someone invents stealth missiles, that's going to be hard to defeat without some kind of airborne jammer.

The Palestinians are already changing their tactics, choosing their targets more carefully and firing volleys of greater numbers of rockets.
 
2012-11-19 07:25:58 PM  

falcon176: did anyone mention that Obama is black yet


His mother is as white as the driven snow. I love things like t-shirts that say " USA's first african-american president" ,he is .5, half , 50%
 
2012-11-19 07:31:45 PM  

Dumski: My son in law is from the West Bank. After hearing his stories, and doing my own non-governmental research (Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and others) I have come to these conclusions:


Neither Human Rights Watch nor Amnesty International is anything like honest about Israel.

kindms: Either the rockets are a huge deal and it is anyones guess why Israel doesn't respond to them when they occur EVERYTIME or they are simply using it as the justification in the latest rounds of oppressive behavior with the folks in Gaza.


When it's a few Israel lives with it. When Hamas launches a barrage Israel pounds them to stop it.

Israel has the capacity and personnel to deal with these "situations" in a much more reserved, tactical response. Ramping up the fighter jets and dropping bombs on civilians doesn't do anyone any good and it certainly doesn't help Israel.

I repeatedly hear assertions of this nature--never with any reasonable explanation of what the reserved response should be.

CheatCommando: Loren: So long as they accepted second-class status.

So the answer is for the Israelis to impose said second class status on the Palestinians? It really seems Israel has gone down the Nietzchean Abyss and become what they sought to destroy if that is the case.


The Arabs impose second class status on the Palestinians.

seadoo2006: They moved from Morocco as refugees? Really? Was it a result of the pogroms BORN of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. So, wait, let me get this straight ... They moved as refugees to a country that started the same war that resulted in their persecution in another country. Ah, got it.

My point still remains, they moved TO A WARZONE ... you get what you get. If you're a refugee, you might think long and hard about moving to one of the other 190+ countries in this world that isn't actively trying to kill Jews rather than moving to a country that has been in a perpetual war for the last 65 years ...


You've got it backwards. The *ARABS* launched the war in response to the existence of a Jewish nation on land they considered conquered. The Jews weren't accepting being second-class citizens anymore, they had to be killed.

seadoo2006: The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's exactly as I said before we've come to a point that we need to pick sides. Sometimes you cant broker a peace.

I nuclear bomb strategically places is the ultimate peacemaker. You have three months to figure it out and if you fail, ka-boom. No wailing wall for the Jews. No Gethsemane for the Christians, and no Dome of the Rock for the Muslims. You all ruined your chances. Level it all and make it uninhabitable with a Co-60 laced bomb.


The Palestinians would be happy. The Jews would lose the land and that's what they really want.
 
2012-11-19 07:32:02 PM  

BigRightRear: His mother is as white as the driven snow. I love things like t-shirts that say " USA's first african-american president"



It would seem that they subscribe to the "One-drop Rule" so popular during the Slavery era.
 
2012-11-19 07:41:01 PM  

Party Boy: I_C_Weener: Over 8000 rockets had been fired into Israel over the last 4 years

Huh?

(2008) 361 + (2009) 569 + (2010) 150 + (2011) 680 (rockets+mortars) + (2012) 1,540


Damn it!
You know the rules
No MATH!!!!
 
2012-11-19 07:47:59 PM  

BigNumber12: BigRightRear: His mother is as white as the driven snow. I love things like t-shirts that say " USA's first african-american president"


It would seem that they subscribe to the "One-drop Rule" so popular during the Slavery era.


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-11-19 07:53:31 PM  

cyberspacedout: "Our missiles will blot out the un!"

"Then we will fight in the hade!"


Ha! Hahaha love it.
 
2012-11-19 07:54:31 PM  

ocschwar: You can't just expect to peacefully steal lands from thousands of people and shove them into a containment zone in Gaza and expect everything to just be "fine".

The ethnic displacement in this war was two directional.

For every single Arab family that lost their home, there was a Jewish family that lost their home.



Is that so?

Which homes? Where?


ocschwar: Yes, we have every right to demand that the Palestinians take notice of that little fact there.



Would you mind explaining and validating "that little fact there"?

Thanks.


ocschwar: Just as if any Turk gets into high dudgeon about how his family was driven out of suburban Athens, the Greeks have every right to remind him of Greek families driven west out of the mainland.



It almost sounds like you might be alluding to "displacement" that took place elsewhere.

Is that right?
 
2012-11-19 08:04:59 PM  
Wow. Look at all the deluded Americans who think they should care what two tribes of filthy, stinking, ugly biblical savages on the other side of the planet do to each other.
Let's give the palis a few 60kt nukes, and let the scum finish each other. Pass the f**king popcorn.
 
2012-11-19 08:08:34 PM  
Loren:


Wow, you're a trip.
 
2012-11-19 08:14:06 PM  
Please.
 
2012-11-19 08:15:06 PM  

Indubitably: Please.


Peas, Thank you. 

Please make peace,

people are dying.

Porridge even.
 
2012-11-19 08:19:14 PM  

MonoChango: I could be wrong but I don't think the US has anything that big.


Largest US bomb ever was the Castle Bravo shot at 15MT. The

The B-53 (the last one of which was disassembled in 2011) had a yield of 9MT.

The reason they weren't made any larger was more practical than technical. Bigger bombs are also less effective - you get more bang for your buck by splitting your plutonium up into a bunch of smaller cores than putting it all in one big core.
 
2012-11-19 08:21:24 PM  

Loren: The Jews would lose the land and that's what they really want.


It never ceases to amaze me how much blood has been spilled over what is some of the shiattiest real estate on the planet.
 
2012-11-19 08:27:45 PM  

unlikely: Most ANTI ISRAEL president EVAR.


and Liberals actually want to believe this, because this would be good for their world aspirations, you know, because liberals want Allah to be able to make a better bean pie..
 
2012-11-19 08:33:30 PM  

clyph: Loren: The Jews would lose the land and that's what they really want.

It never ceases to amaze me how much blood has been spilled over what is some of the shiattiest real estate on the planet.



God loves a good cock-fight.
 
2012-11-19 08:38:54 PM  

Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim


Yeah, read the series on a whim, eh? Hey Fark Libbies!! One of your own is a closet evangelical!

Oh, and good cover with saying, "Left Behind". Is that Barney Frank's rear?

/Gawd, I'm soooooo funny.
 
2012-11-19 08:41:34 PM  
I'm for deweaponizing everybody.

*)
 
2012-11-19 08:42:24 PM  

snuff3r: The article i read before this was an interview with a woman who lost four children all under eight in a strike against [whothefarkcares.jpg]. As a person who's lost a child and knows that pain well, a giant mother-farking fark-you-up-the-ass for every person involved in the death of an innocent child, whatever side.

You're both as bad as each other. Enjoy your hells. Especially you, Israel. Evil assholes.

/rage
//drunk


I wish I could sound like you when I'm Fark-drinking.

All I manage to do is get 7-day time outs.
 
2012-11-19 08:43:24 PM  

Indubitably: I'm for deweaponizing everybody.

*)


And by weapon I mean people hurtin' outside of yourself and your aim, and ultimately, your game...

Word.
 
2012-11-19 08:53:29 PM  

seadoo2006: Deal with it. The blacks of America and the Native Americans went through a similar ordeal and you don't see them getting all uppity over starting a new nation in Guam or Puerto Rico or the Pacific atolls ... I mean, guess what, a little religious tolerance goes a long way. If you want to have a country, born of conflicted lands, and then say, "this is for Jews only go away Arabs!", well, eat the words you say and accept that people are going to be pretty pissed that you took them.


You need to look up the history of the African country of Liberia: Link
 
2012-11-19 08:53:46 PM  

DON.MAC: A jewish friend of mine claims the Jews now have their promised land. Its now called Manhattan Long Island.


FTFY
 
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