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2012-11-19 04:09:44 PM
Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you.
 
2012-11-19 04:09:56 PM

Party Boy: Groan.


So is that your way of saying I was right?

Party Boy: You might have a problem with the word angry and want to get into semantics. You were wrong in it. Thats it. You were very angry at the Palestinians for making claims to all of Jerusalem. You were wrong. i pointed it out.


So you admit that you were wrong and I didn't get angry? Cause you dont have a single ounce of proof. Did I resort to name calling? No. Did I go with personal attacks? no. Semantics? Try flat out wrong! oops, I just used an exclamation mark. I must be ready to explode. If the last distasteful (in our eyes) I did was 5 years ago then I'm doing all right. You fire slander at me, of course I have to respond. If I don't 5 years from now you'll be saying that I was calling for the destruction of an entire race or some other nonsense.

Party Boy: I'm not going to go off on how much explosives and whatever. We're not shifting the discussion any more than it has


You started this. You countered the other guy stating that said there were 8k of missiles. I didn't. I took your numbers. I said that you were right. Why respond to him? He is dis proven! But I have to ask if the number doesn't matter why counter? There was a reason you felt the need to show that it was a wrong number, why was that? If it doesn't matter, why correct it? Does 3300 make it alright? Does 8k make Israel justified so you have to disprove it? This is directly on topic! People are saying that Israel isn't justified and I'm asking what number of attacks would it take to make them justified.

/Really wish you'd answer one other little question I've already asked. Do you make a list of all the thread you think you "won" or got offended in?
 
2012-11-19 04:10:24 PM

Party Boy: I_C_Weener: Over 8000 rockets had been fired into Israel over the last 4 years

Huh?

(2008) 361 + (2009) 569 + (2010) 150 + (2011) 680 (rockets+mortars) + (2012) 1,540



Corrected it in the other thread.  About 4500 sicne 2006, over 8000 sicne 2001.  Not counting mortars which are equal or in excess of the rockets.
 
2012-11-19 04:10:51 PM
imageshack.us

Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">
 
2012-11-19 04:11:40 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [rt.com image 370x277]
Iron Dome Defensive battery


[www.aerospaceweb.org image 550x400]

Quassam rockets


ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.

All Hezbollah/Hamas etc needs to do is keep firing these rockets and Israel will be bleed to financial ruins.


No they won't. We will. If they need more money, they'll ask.
 
2012-11-19 04:12:17 PM

Kit Fister: This text is now purple: gelovani: Obama stated on the news 2 days ago that, "Israel has the right to defend itself from threats OUTSIDE its borders" (read, The Gaza Strip). So, the Gaza Strip is now not part of Israel? The US vehemently denied Palestine's request to be recognized as a sovereign nation last year, making it still a part of Israel, but now Obama says they are a separate country outside of Israel's borders and are attacking Israel??!!

F*ck US foreign policy. F*ck Israeli domestic policy. How many innocent people have to die - especially Palestinians - before this atrocity is finally stopped?!

The US generally recognizes the 1967 borders, right?

Under that position, Gaza is part of Egypt.

Psh, it's been for millenia. I mean, hell, the phaoroahs buried their own and built the pyramids in Gaza!


I think you're thinking of the Geezer Pyramids
 
2012-11-19 04:12:30 PM

I_C_Weener: Corrected it in the other thread.


Great. From all the attention I'm getting, Stealth Hippopotamus must really want to give you an earful.
 
2012-11-19 04:12:40 PM
img17.imageshack.us

/not hot like a 200 megaton airburst over LA
 
2012-11-19 04:12:54 PM
Yes. After he took out Osama, our Prez stopped by Israel and did some quick ciphering on some o dat aerospace engineering, designed, built and implemented that system in short order cuz he done seen this was a commin!
 
2012-11-19 04:13:27 PM
I don't look at this as "dumping foreign aid money into israel via the military-industrial complex", but more "israel beta testing our new tech, sparing american lives".
 
2012-11-19 04:13:51 PM

ocschwar: [imageshack.us image 400x600]

Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">


No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.

You don't see me moving to inner city Cleveland because my family has some "claim" to the land down in Collinwood Nope, I removed myself from the problem and avoided getting shot at every other day. It's a wonder these people are so god damn stubborn about living their lives in a war zone and then getting pissy when someone's leg gets blown off.
 
2012-11-19 04:15:00 PM
Headso

That whole area is full of despots and royal douchebags at least the Israelis are socially liberal and democratic by comparison.

My head is spinning: I cannot determine if this is more ignorant or more racist.
 
2012-11-19 04:17:15 PM
The Israeli policy of "Seven eyes for an eye, seven teeth for a tooth" is immoral and the United States is complicit with it.
 
2012-11-19 04:17:54 PM
No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.


Actually, this boy was born there, and his family moved from farking Morocco as refugees.

Oh, right, you don't know that half of Israel's Jews are refugees from Arab countries?
 
2012-11-19 04:18:33 PM

Party Boy: I_C_Weener: Corrected it in the other thread.

Great. From all the attention I'm getting, Stealth Hippopotamus must really want to give you an earful.


why not! Lets see if he can answer a direct question: Is Israel justified in trying to stop these attacks, if not how many missile need be fired before they are?
 
2012-11-19 04:18:42 PM
 
2012-11-19 04:19:39 PM

Party Boy: I_C_Weener: Corrected it in the other thread.

Great. From all the attention I'm getting, Stealth Hippopotamus must really want to give you an earful.



For some reason the subject of Israel and Palestine gets people all up in each other's grills...even if you don't live there. :)
 
2012-11-19 04:19:58 PM

MonoChango: seadoo2006: the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.

I could be wrong but I don't think the US has anything that big. The Soviets tested one that size, but I don't think it wasn't a deployable bomb (more like three semi tractors pushed together). Besides the fact that Bush jr cut nearly half our arsenal, we haven't built any new ones in 20 years. I think the biggest we ever built was the W53 9 MT warhead used on the Titan II. All of which have been decommissioned.


The Russian 58MT Tsar Bomba was a deliverable weapon and was air-dropped from an operational bomber when it was tested. The only reason it was 58MT instead of 100MT is they use lead instead of Uranium in certain parts of the design.
 
2012-11-19 04:20:18 PM
$100,000 a rocket?!?! Damn isnt metal storm ready yet?
 
2012-11-19 04:21:46 PM

ocschwar: No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.


Actually, this boy was born there, and his family moved from farking Morocco as refugees.

Oh, right, you don't know that half of Israel's Jews are refugees from Arab countries?


How dare they! They should have stayed in Morocco and taken their beatings.
 
2012-11-19 04:21:51 PM

hasty ambush: I blame Reagan and others for failing to listen to progressives who said missile diefense would never work 

[www.mom4freedom.com image 640x572]


Wake me when IDF shoots down a ICBM traveling a few times the speed of sound.

Because that's what Reagan was promoting. Iron dome is a local areas rocket protection for non ICBMs. It's very effective, and no one ever said such things wouldn't work.
 
2012-11-19 04:21:57 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Party Boy: I_C_Weener: Corrected it in the other thread.

Great. From all the attention I'm getting, Stealth Hippopotamus must really want to give you an earful.

why not! Lets see if he can answer a direct question: Is Israel justified in trying to stop these attacks, if not how many missile need be fired before they are?



Yes.  1.
 
2012-11-19 04:22:30 PM

seadoo2006: ocschwar: [imageshack.us image 400x600]

Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">

No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.

You don't see me moving to inner city Cleveland because my family has some "claim" to the land down in Collinwood Nope, I removed myself from the problem and avoided getting shot at every other day. It's a wonder these people are so god damn stubborn about living their lives in a war zone and then getting pissy when someone's leg gets blown off.


Its sure getting Stormfronty in this thread.
 
2012-11-19 04:23:48 PM

ocschwar: No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.


Actually, this boy was born there, and his family moved from farking Morocco as refugees.

Oh, right, you don't know that half of Israel's Jews are refugees from Arab countries?


They moved from Morocco as refugees? Really? Was it a result of the pogroms BORN of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. So, wait, let me get this straight ... They moved as refugees to a country that started the same war that resulted in their persecution in another country. Ah, got it.

My point still remains, they moved TO A WARZONE ... you get what you get. If you're a refugee, you might think long and hard about moving to one of the other 190+ countries in this world that isn't actively trying to kill Jews rather than moving to a country that has been in a perpetual war for the last 65 years ...
 
2012-11-19 04:23:58 PM

Party Boy: seadoo2006: Haha, I love that site ... drop a 50MT anywhere in the world and you're talking about monumental amounts of destruction.

USSЯ: shiatty targeting? No pЯoblem, comrade, we add more deuteЯium.



Giving credit where credit is due: I laughed.
 
2012-11-19 04:24:26 PM

hasty ambush: I blame Reagan and others for failing to listen to progressives who said missile diefense would never work 


All true Patriots knew long ago that missile defense wasn't a pile of Scud.
 
2012-11-19 04:25:17 PM
"They moved from Morocco as refugees? Really? Was it a result of the pogroms BORN of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. So, wait, let me get this straight ... They moved as refugees to a country that started the same war that resulted in their persecution in another country. Ah, got it.
"

Pogroms in Morrocco started in 1892. The option of getting the fark out of there only opened in 1948.

But do parade your ignorance some more.
 
2012-11-19 04:25:46 PM

RanDomino: cman
The left wing has herped and derped for days now about the evil right and their support of Israel while not saying a damn thing about Obama and his support of their actions. It will finally be nice to see the fark left take up the cause and bash the president

Partisans have infinite tolerance for cognitive dissonence.


It's almost like you're saying Obama isn't what the GOP said he was.


The Stealth Hippopotamus
So missile defense doesn't escalate tensions.

It seems to let Israel think they can do anything with impunity.


Israel has done what it's wanted almost since before missiles existed, much less missile defense.

SuperNinjaToad
ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.

Furthermore it's only a matter of time until Qassams include simple GPS and countermeasures for whatever Iron Dome uses to track them.


Not anytime soon.
 
2012-11-19 04:26:34 PM
ocschwar
Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">

If you want to play Duelling Casualties Porn, you'll lose.


seadoo2006
You don't see me moving to inner city Cleveland because my family has some "claim" to the land down in Collinwood Nope, I removed myself from the problem and avoided getting shot at every other day. It's a wonder these people are so god damn stubborn about living their lives in a war zone and then getting pissy when someone's leg gets blown off.

Since no one's posted it in this thread yet


signaljammer
My head is spinning: I cannot determine if this is more ignorant or more racist.

What a socially liberal democracy might look like
 
2012-11-19 04:28:03 PM

RanDomino: ocschwar
Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">

If you want to play Duelling Casualties Porn, you'll lose.


This would be a bad idea.
 
2012-11-19 04:28:47 PM

seadoo2006: ocschwar: No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.


Actually, this boy was born there, and his family moved from farking Morocco as refugees.

Oh, right, you don't know that half of Israel's Jews are refugees from Arab countries?

They moved from Morocco as refugees? Really? Was it a result of the pogroms BORN of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. So, wait, let me get this straight ... They moved as refugees to a country that started the same war that resulted in their persecution in another country. Ah, got it.

My point still remains, they moved TO A WARZONE ... you get what you get. If you're a refugee, you might think long and hard about moving to one of the other 190+ countries in this world that isn't actively trying to kill Jews rather than moving to a country that has been in a perpetual war for the last 65 years ...



The old "she was asking for it" rape excuse...
 
2012-11-19 04:29:11 PM

Antimatter: hasty ambush: I blame Reagan and others for failing to listen to progressives who said missile diefense would never work 

[www.mom4freedom.com image 640x572]

Wake me when IDF shoots down a ICBM traveling a few times the speed of sound.

Because that's what Reagan was promoting. Iron dome is a local areas rocket protection for non ICBMs. It's very effective, and no one ever said such things wouldn't work.


I remember hearing about the "patriot missiles" from the first gulf war... weak sauce from one of the usual purveyors of weak sauce.
 
2012-11-19 04:29:44 PM

seadoo2006: ocschwar: [imageshack.us image 400x600]

Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">

No, that's what happens when your parents are a bunch of blithering eejits and move your whole dumb ass family to a warzone because you have a "historical claim" to the land.

You don't see me moving to inner city Cleveland because my family has some "claim" to the land down in Collinwood Nope, I removed myself from the problem and avoided getting shot at every other day. It's a wonder these people are so god damn stubborn about living their lives in a war zone and then getting pissy when someone's leg gets blown off.


Why do you hate jews?

I kid i kid, we both know we could honestly give a flying fark one way or the other but yea....somebody is bound to say it.

We pretty much need a media and financial blackout for that entire region with nary a whisper unless one side or the other gets completely wiped out. "Is it completely and permanently over finally? no? then we dont wanna hear about it."

Been listening to this same bullshiat for 40 farking years now. Is it over? No? then who gives a fark, stop sending them my money please.
Them? Yea ALL of them, egypt too, and those farking house of saud rich farkers who dont even need my money as well. If the entire region slid into the ocean I think we could finally just applaud the silence.
 
2012-11-19 04:30:18 PM
I_C_Weener
Yes. 1.

One rocket is one rocket. One rocket followed by an aerial and naval bombardment that kills dozens of civilians means endless rockets.


vygramul
Israel has done what it's wanted almost since before missiles existed, much less missile defense.

True but this campaign is especially egregious.

Not anytime soon.

I give it two years on the outside.
 
2012-11-19 04:30:35 PM

signaljammer: Headso

That whole area is full of despots and royal douchebags at least the Israelis are socially liberal and democratic by comparison.

My head is spinning: I cannot determine if this is more ignorant or more racist.


Israel can be large, democratic, and Jewish - pick two. So far, they seem to be much more interested in large and Jewish. But the locals are not exactly more tolerant. Syria? Saudis? Egypt just underwent a democratic revolution, but the jury is still out on whether it will be the stable, tolerant society it has every potential of maintaining. The Jordanians treat the Palestinians only marginally better than Israelis.
 
2012-11-19 04:30:44 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you admit that you were wrong and I didn't get angry?


This is going to be it for me.

You were (incorrectly) angry at the Palestinians in that thread for claiming all of Jerusalem. You keep dodging an effort to show similar anger at the israelis for it. I corrected you. Didn't matter, i got this.
Party Boy: Have you noticed that there isnt even a questionable source to present such wild claims?

The Stealth Hippopotamus:
Let me help you. First one is free.

1)Go to www.google.com (cut and paste you lazy farker)
2)type in "Palestinian Authority control over jerusalem"
3) read.

For your first lesson. I will give you a tip. It's the second story down.


Youre welcome. Normal research fees will apply on all future inquiries.


Party Boy: Palestinian Authority control over jerusalem

not seeing it


The Stealth Hippopotamus:

After following my own easy to follow instructions:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1191257255317&pagename=JPo s t%2FJPAr ti cle%2FShowFull (pops)

Now here comes the advanced part:

Compare that article to the ACTUAL headline

Headline Palestinian Authority: "With our ponies and roads made of solid gold, any settlement will have to include giving us complete control over Jerusalem and Jewish holy sites. Yes, including the Western Wall" What's arabic for Chutzpah?

I highlighted to make it easier.


That was all wrong. You can call it what you like, but its right there.

Now, considering your position was the following...

CHAZZZ: The religions of peace, pick your side.

The Stealth Hippopotamus:
I think it has come down to this. Time to pick your side. We can go on all day on how this started but in the end that will solve nothing. There can not be peace when one side (pick the side) will not rest until the other side is completely dead. Both point the finger at the other and start screaming "baby-killer" and "blood thirsty warmonger" and both have a list of things they say "prove" they have been wronged. I personally believe that the choice is obvious.


Lets see if you can provide equal treatment for the other side. You can think this isn't angry. Pick your euphemism.

Attaching a Nazi pic, even in that context, well that was just a douchebag thing to do.  That particular thread was the wrong place for it.

Frankly, I find you unbalanced in your positions. You have a problem the guy who corrected the figures? Take it up with the other guy who was wrong. You have a problem with the palestinians for wanting all of Jerusalem? Lets see your dislike when its Likud doing that.

You aren;t going to do that. You are going to pivot to another point. if so, I'm done and it can be the last word on this.
 
2012-11-19 04:31:30 PM
Been listening to this same bullshiat for 40 farking years now. Is it over? No? then who gives a fark, stop sending them my money please.


Think Israelis are going apeshiat now?

WIthout the aid keeping them on the leash, they will farking go Arab on Gaza.
 
2012-11-19 04:32:02 PM

signaljammer: Headso

That whole area is full of despots and royal douchebags at least the Israelis are socially liberal and democratic by comparison.

My head is spinning: I cannot determine if this is more ignorant or more racist.


Hey man, just because a stone-age social conservative douchebag is in another country doesn't mean we need to suddenly respect his views/culture, fark em just like fark the teabaggers in this one.
 
2012-11-19 04:32:09 PM
Moderator
This would be a bad idea.

Don't worry, unlike some people I prefer deescalation over MAD.
 
2012-11-19 04:32:42 PM

I_C_Weener: Yes. 1.


congratulations. you pass simple reading and comprehension.
 
2012-11-19 04:33:46 PM

Magorn: THAT's the "Rocket" the IDF is getting so worked up about?


Not exactly.

Fajr-5
 
2012-11-19 04:33:50 PM

Antimatter: hasty ambush: I blame Reagan and others for failing to listen to progressives who said missile diefense would never work 

[www.mom4freedom.com image 640x572]

Wake me when IDF shoots down a ICBM traveling a few times the speed of sound.

Because that's what Reagan was promoting. Iron dome is a local areas rocket protection for non ICBMs. It's very effective, and no one ever said such things wouldn't work.


"Iron Dome" missile defense system is an outgrowth of the U.S. Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)
 
2012-11-19 04:34:34 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I_C_Weener: Yes. 1.

congratulations. you pass simple reading and comprehension.



I'm so proud you approve.  WTF?
 
2012-11-19 04:34:48 PM

RanDomino: ocschwar
Remember, this is what happens if one of those Hamas "glorified bottlerockets" lands too close to you. ">

If you want to play Duelling Casualties Porn, you'll lose.


if you are only post pictures of living children missing limbs, those seem ok for the thread.
 
2012-11-19 04:35:16 PM

hasty ambush: I blame Reagan and others for failing to listen to progressives who said missile diefense would never work 

[www.mom4freedom.com image 640x572]


We had that thread last week. You lost. Badly.
 
2012-11-19 04:35:53 PM

Turbo6inKY: MonoChango: seadoo2006: the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.

I could be wrong but I don't think the US has anything that big. The Soviets tested one that size, but I don't think it wasn't a deployable bomb (more like three semi tractors pushed together). Besides the fact that Bush jr cut nearly half our arsenal, we haven't built any new ones in 20 years. I think the biggest we ever built was the W53 9 MT warhead used on the Titan II. All of which have been decommissioned.

The Russian 58MT Tsar Bomba was a deliverable weapon and was air-dropped from an operational bomber when it was tested. The only reason it was 58MT instead of 100MT is they use lead instead of Uranium in certain parts of the design.


The tamper in the test drop was lead instead of common U-238. The fast neutrons from the fusion reaction causes a fission reaction in U-238, greatly increasing the power. The fact they used a lead tamper meant the yield was mostly by fusion, keeping fall out to a minimum for a bomb of that yield.

There's really no need for a bomb that big. A MIRV design with 200KT warheads can take out a large area by detonating the bombs around the perimeter engulfing the interior in a firestorm.
 
2012-11-19 04:37:39 PM

RanDomino: Since no one's posted it in this thread yet


And that's what kills me about "it's Palestinian land" arguments. It's arbitrary to pick whether it was "originally" Israel's, Palestine's, etc. And tends to be indicative of whose bias the arguer is adopting.
 
2012-11-19 04:38:21 PM

vygramul: RanDomino: Since no one's posted it in this thread yet

And that's what kills me about "it's Palestinian land" arguments. It's arbitrary to pick whether it was "originally" Israel's, Palestine's, etc. And tends to be indicative of whose bias the arguer is adopting.



I'm in favor of giving it back to Rome.  They won it fair and square.
 
2012-11-19 04:38:26 PM

hasty ambush: Antimatter: hasty ambush: I blame Reagan and others for failing to listen to progressives who said missile diefense would never work 

[www.mom4freedom.com image 640x572]

Wake me when IDF shoots down a ICBM traveling a few times the speed of sound.

Because that's what Reagan was promoting. Iron dome is a local areas rocket protection for non ICBMs. It's very effective, and no one ever said such things wouldn't work.

"Iron Dome" missile defense system is an outgrowth of the U.S. Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)


No it's not, it's an outgrowth of the patriot missile system, which was not covered by SDI, thankfully.
 
2012-11-19 04:38:52 PM

RanDomino: I_C_Weener
Yes. 1.

One rocket is one rocket. One rocket followed by an aerial and naval bombardment that kills dozens of civilians means endless rockets.


vygramul
Israel has done what it's wanted almost since before missiles existed, much less missile defense.

True but this campaign is especially egregious.

Not anytime soon.

I give it two years on the outside.


I'd take that bet. In a heartbeat. And give you odds.
 
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