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(Yahoo)   So apparently the only reason Tel Aviv isn't littered with smoking craters is because the Israel-hating, secret Muslim president of the US made sure they hade the "Iron Dome" rocket intercept system   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 386
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2012-11-19 03:26:11 PM
"Our missiles will blot out the un!"

"Then we will fight in the hade!"
 
2012-11-19 03:26:40 PM

spiderpaz: Iran/Russia/China get to collect data and test how to beat it without suffering the consequences by letting Hamas fire Iranian/Soviet/Chinese missiles through it.


Doesn't that go both ways though? Helps us test the thing against Iranian/Soviet/Chinese missiles.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:05 PM
"Boi, don go down thar farkin' did dem Jooz widout no money!"
 
2012-11-19 03:27:09 PM

SpectroBoy: kindms: This doesn't compute. Either it works and is awesome so no need for Israel to launch attacks in to gaza or it doesn't work and there should be no praise for the US giving the Israelis junk defense weapons and they have a reason to go in to gaza.


Really!?!?! You think if the missle system "works" (meaning it stops MOST missiles) then Israel has no reason to respond.

So let's say some guy is punching you. Your defense is good and he only hits you one out of ten times. Would you escalate your defense? Or simply defend indefinetely until he eventually beats you to death?

Remember, we know what it means if you don't answer....


So is it so awesome that Obama deserves credit for it ? I mean if 50% of these POS rockets get through then it isn't an "IRON DOME" and isn't praise worthy. Actually it would be mock worthy if several hundred million dollars only nets you maybe 50% of the most unsophisticated rockets. I would imagine that if they were using actual semi-advanced weapons its effectiveness would be even more pathetic

Or is it more likely that these "rocket attacks" are simply the justification for Israel to enact group punishment on Gaza and the people living there ?

Either the rockets are a huge deal and it is anyones guess why Israel doesn't respond to them when they occur EVERYTIME or they are simply using it as the justification in the latest rounds of oppressive behavior with the folks in Gaza.

Israel has the capacity and personnel to deal with these "situations" in a much more reserved, tactical response. Ramping up the fighter jets and dropping bombs on civilians doesn't do anyone any good and it certainly doesn't help Israel.

Israels days are numbered anyway. All those folks have to do is keep on having babies and they will outnumber Israelis soon enough. There is only one way that Israel could fight that and I am not sure even they would go down that road.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:10 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So missile defense doesn't escalate tensions.
Giving money to Israel is now a good thing.


You do know that Israel buys the vast majority of their arms and tech from the US? So basically every dollar that we send over there for that purpose is just dressed up corporate warfare for the military industrial complex.


/personally have no problem with any of this.
//just wanting the Obama-manics to try to justify this
///Obama was right to do that, still losing to the broken clock.


Even if it didn't come back to us this is useful R&D spending. We get Israel to pay much of the cost and we get real-world experience with it shooting down inbounds. I'm sure the investment was with the condition that they share what they learn if not the plans themselves.

DarkSoulNoHope: Not really inequal. We're giving Israel the ability to shoot down rockets, which allows them to attack Gaza with minimum fear of retaliation. It would be like if MAD had no meaning with such a system if we or the Soviets had such an effective ABM system. If either us or the Soviets could have destroyed the other without fear of an effective attack, then what would prevent that side from thinking about and acting upon that "no risk to us" strategy?


Reality check: Hamas started this as usual.

free_waffles: Decados:
Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.

Persia under Cyrus and Darius
Al-Andalus prior to the Granada massacre
Ottoman Empire from 1300 to 1800


What do all three of those have in common? The Jews were left alone and neither persecuted for religious beliefs nor exalted for being different. A shocking revelation: not treating a minority as a minority created stability and tolerance.


So long as they accepted second-class status.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:12 PM

Tommy Moo: Can anyone name one thing this "ally" has ever done for the U.S.? They are an arrogant little shiat of a country, full of hubris on the grant that we will give them unconditional financial support and moral authority. It is literally true that Israel could announce tomorrow that they are intentionally targeting schools with the purpose of killing as many Palestinian children as possible, and not one prominent American politician would criticize them. So let me say it then: fark Israel. You exist because Christians in this country want you in place to bring about Apocalypse as described in the Book of Revelations. It's a macabre absurdity!


Hurr Durr.....
 
2012-11-19 03:27:54 PM
"Boi, don go down thar farkin' wid dem Jooz widout no money!"
 
2012-11-19 03:28:44 PM
Dammit Obonghit! Enough of your satanic Wizardry!
Patriotic Republicans are ready to open the public coffers to supply all the Horses and Bayonets our Allies need!
 
2012-11-19 03:32:46 PM

kindms:

So is it so awesome that Obama deserves credit for it ? I mean if 50% of these POS rockets get through then it isn't an "IRON DOME" and isn't praise worthy. Actually it would be mock worthy if several hundred million dollars only nets you maybe 50% of the most unsophisticated rockets. I would imagine that if they were using actual semi-advanced weapons its effectiveness would be even more pathetic


Do you have any idea how hard it is to shoot down one rocket with another? Even ballistic rocket with no guidance system at all is an incredibly difficult target to hit midflight. Add in that you don't know where they'll be launched from and the very short flight time, and you have a real problem to solve.

The fact that it gets as many as it does makes it an unparalled feat.
 
2012-11-19 03:33:22 PM

Tax Boy: Tommy Moo: Can anyone name one thing this "ally" has ever done for the U.S.?

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Natalie Portman was born in

free_waffles: Decados:
Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.

Persia under Cyrus and Darius
Al-Andalus prior to the Granada massacre
Ottoman Empire from 1300 to 1800


What do all three of those have in common? The Jews were left alone and neither persecuted for religious beliefs nor exalted for being different. A shocking revelation: not treating a minority as a minority created stability and tolerance.


The first step towards not being treated like a minority is for said minority to stop playing the minority card. Unfortunately, Israel as a nation was established on that very concept. They might as well have called it "European Jewish Minority Land".

A cluster, all around. If there is a God then he's pissed at everybody.
 
2012-11-19 03:33:32 PM

Party Boy: K.B.O. Winston: /mutherfarking Copenhagen Sewing Circle for the mutherfarking win

I wonder if rule 34 applies?


I would read that.
 
2012-11-19 03:34:14 PM

Tax Boy: Tommy Moo: Can anyone name one thing this "ally" has ever done for the U.S.?

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JAFA! KREE!

/Totally found a picture of Teal'c shopped onto that Jaffa Juice picture.
//Damn hotlinks disabled
 
2012-11-19 03:34:31 PM

Party Boy: read the thread. You don't attach Nazi pictures to peoples posts in a Israel thread. Its ugly. I can complain about more, but thats all the argument I need.


He was a neo nazi and a joke of one at that. Big difference. One actually killed people and destroyed lives. The other posts in blogs and listens to bad speed metal. Either way you transitioned from "I total showed you up in a thread from 07 you better back off or I'll do it again" to "you did something I found distasteful" in a thread from 07. 07

Party Boy: Nope on these counts. Look, address that, and we can continue. Otherwise, this is a tilted discussion. Direct your problems to the guy who was wrong. Address the outrage you had for one to the other.


I did address that! Neither one of you linked to a story for support. But cause I love you so much I'm going to completely trust your numbers. Now please answer the question.


How many rounds of high explosive need to be launched at a group of people before they get to say enough is enough?

/now remember you dont have to defend where you got your number, I dont care.
 
2012-11-19 03:34:43 PM

LazerFish: This is the kind of stuff a pastor in my area is posting on his facebook:
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I love the second picture for many reasons.

1. Overly labeled (Israel, Israel Enemies, God)
2. Enemies include Ahmadinejad, Obama (who gave them their defense system), a Chinese guy, and who is that other guy?
 
2012-11-19 03:35:02 PM

Headso: spiderpaz: Great ... we develop a missile defense system costing us billions, then we sell it to Israel for $70 million, and Iran/Russia/China get to collect data and test how to beat it without suffering the consequences by letting Hamas fire Iranian/Soviet/Chinese missiles through it.

As always, the ones benefiting from US foreign policy are the Israelis not the Americans.

If that's your metric there's gotta be data to be gleaned from it actually functioning ..or not... it's like a beta test for the system.


That data would better serve us if it were collected from our own testing so that we knew the vulnerabilities but our adversaries didn't.
 
2012-11-19 03:35:12 PM
I'm glad they switched to the Iron Dome.

The previous plan of Chrome Dome didn't work as well.

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Particularly the plan where they shrink IDF soldiers down and hide them inside Christmas presents. Nobody told him they don't celebrate Christmas.
 
2012-11-19 03:36:42 PM

Loren: So long as they accepted second-class status.


So the answer is for the Israelis to impose said second class status on the Palestinians? It really seems Israel has gone down the Nietzchean Abyss and become what they sought to destroy if that is the case.
 
2012-11-19 03:37:41 PM
So ... who is the aggressor in this fight? The group of people that barged into Jerusalem and annexed a new state from a group of people living there already? Or the group of people that had their land stolen from them in 1948 to make way for 'war reparations' because in 6000 years, somehow the Jews cannot stop themselves from being blown up, burned, or crucified?

Fark it, let the whole region burn in some nuclear fiery event. The US and UN should clear every person out of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, tell them if they can't peacefully find a way to share the land in three months, the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.
 
2012-11-19 03:38:07 PM

LazerFish: This is the kind of stuff a pastor in my area is posting on his facebook:
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That must be a batsh*t congregation to put up with a sick freak like that as a pastor.
 
2012-11-19 03:39:09 PM
Obama didn't build that Iron Dome. Someone else built it............
 
2012-11-19 03:39:33 PM

spiderpaz: Headso: spiderpaz: Great ... we develop a missile defense system costing us billions, then we sell it to Israel for $70 million, and Iran/Russia/China get to collect data and test how to beat it without suffering the consequences by letting Hamas fire Iranian/Soviet/Chinese missiles through it.

As always, the ones benefiting from US foreign policy are the Israelis not the Americans.

If that's your metric there's gotta be data to be gleaned from it actually functioning ..or not... it's like a beta test for the system.

That data would better serve us if it were collected from our own testing so that we knew the vulnerabilities but our adversaries didn't.


What data? they have videos of rockets flying through the night sky and then an explosion but the actual reports that the system spits out would be real numbers you could actually use to make it better.
 
2012-11-19 03:39:56 PM
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seadoo2006: So ... who is the aggressor in this fight? The group of people that barged into Jerusalem and annexed a new state from a group of people living there already? Or the group of people that had their land stolen from them in 1948 to make way for 'war reparations' because in 6000 years, somehow the Jews cannot stop themselves from being blown up, burned, or crucified?

Fark it, let the whole region burn in some nuclear fiery event. The US and UN should clear every person out of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, tell them if they can't peacefully find a way to share the land in three months, the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.


Pretty sure that site is only particularly meaningful to Christians. Could be wrong.
 
2012-11-19 03:40:07 PM
Weapon test we need to do it some where and no GAA wanting an environmental impact study that a win win is it not.
 
2012-11-19 03:40:12 PM

Gdalescrboz: So liberals now hate Obama?


fatassbastard: ...because the only two choices are hate him like Stalin or love him like Jesus.

 
2012-11-19 03:42:35 PM

mark12A: The interceptors cost $100,000 each. They don't use them to shoot down $1000 rockets unless the rocket is a threat to Israelis.


So Hamas aims at developed areas. With luck someone will post some kind of data, but they should be aim them at, say, a sub development with some kind of accuracy. And once we're talking about money being the issue, I'm not sure that if I were Hamas they would all even have explosives in them. They wouldn't cost as much to fire, but cost the same amount to shoot down.
 
2012-11-19 03:44:48 PM

fireclown: Wasn't Iron Dome developed and built by the Israelis? I thought the big deal in the last few years was trying to get US contracts for resupply and parts.


I was. But pointing that out flies in the face of giving our dear leader the praise he deserves.
 
2012-11-19 03:45:00 PM

K.B.O. Winston: Party Boy: K.B.O. Winston: /mutherfarking Copenhagen Sewing Circle for the mutherfarking win

I wonder if rule 34 applies?

I would read that.


or watch it?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Either way you transitioned from


Groan.

Party Boy: you were very angry when I (correctly, I'll add) was pointing out how it was incorrect that the Palestinians weren't making talks for all of Jerusalem,


You might have a problem with the word angry and want to get into semantics. You were wrong in it. Thats it. You were very angry at the Palestinians for making claims to all of Jerusalem. You were wrong. i pointed it out.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I did address that!


I don't see where you are similarly irritated at the israeli govt for claiming all of jerusalem. I don't see you talking to the other guy at all. Me, well, you cant leave alone. There was no reason for that.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: neo nazi


It is ugly to post nazi pictures to peoples posts in the Israel threads. That context is not acceptable.

I'm not going to go off on how much explosives and whatever. We're not shifting the discussion any more than it has.
 
2012-11-19 03:45:04 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: \seadoo2006: So ... who is the aggressor in this fight? The group of people that barged into Jerusalem and annexed a new state from a group of people living there already? Or the group of people that had their land stolen from them in 1948 to make way for 'war reparations' because in 6000 years, somehow the Jews cannot stop themselves from being blown up, burned, or crucified?

Fark it, let the whole region burn in some nuclear fiery event. The US and UN should clear every person out of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, tell them if they can't peacefully find a way to share the land in three months, the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.

Pretty sure that site is only particularly meaningful to Christians. Could be wrong.


A 50MT warhead on a site within a mile of the three holiest sites in Abrahamic religious would permanently wipe them all off the map. Gethsemane, the Wailing Wall, and the Dome of the Rock ... literally, a 500kg bunker buster would theoretically take them all out, but the symbolism of a thermonuclear device which leaves Jerusalem as a smoldering radioactive crater for the next 100 years seems more appropriate.
 
2012-11-19 03:45:13 PM

gelovani: Obama stated on the news 2 days ago that, "Israel has the right to defend itself from threats OUTSIDE its borders" (read, The Gaza Strip). So, the Gaza Strip is now not part of Israel? The US vehemently denied Palestine's request to be recognized as a sovereign nation last year, making it still a part of Israel, but now Obama says they are a separate country outside of Israel's borders and are attacking Israel??!!

F*ck US foreign policy. F*ck Israeli domestic policy. How many innocent people have to die - especially Palestinians - before this atrocity is finally stopped?!


The US generally recognizes the 1967 borders, right?

Under that position, Gaza is part of Egypt.
 
2012-11-19 03:45:40 PM
Just wait until those Iron Dome batteries start luring unsuspecting Israeli children close with candy, then falling over on top of them. Obama will be laughing all the way to the bank Jannah Mecca Kenya Hawaii.
 
2012-11-19 03:46:00 PM

Cyclometh: The fact that it gets as many as it does makes it an unparalled feat.


Especially considering I read last night that they only shoot at the ones pointed at populated centers. I can understand why they don't want to shoot an expensive missile at something that isn't going to hit anything important.

Did I miss the point on why this is Obama's fault/idea. I was under the impression that most, if not all, of this "Iron Dome" system was designed and built by the Israeli military for use by the Israeli military. If it works, and saves some peoples lives then Good for Them.
 
2012-11-19 03:48:17 PM

seadoo2006: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: \seadoo2006: So ... who is the aggressor in this fight? The group of people that barged into Jerusalem and annexed a new state from a group of people living there already? Or the group of people that had their land stolen from them in 1948 to make way for 'war reparations' because in 6000 years, somehow the Jews cannot stop themselves from being blown up, burned, or crucified?

Fark it, let the whole region burn in some nuclear fiery event. The US and UN should clear every person out of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, tell them if they can't peacefully find a way to share the land in three months, the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.

Pretty sure that site is only particularly meaningful to Christians. Could be wrong.

A 50MT warhead on a site within a mile of the three holiest sites in Abrahamic religious would permanently wipe them all off the map. Gethsemane, the Wailing Wall, and the Dome of the Rock ... literally, a 500kg bunker buster would theoretically take them all out, but the symbolism of a thermonuclear device which leaves Jerusalem as a smoldering radioactive crater for the next 100 years seems more appropriate.


That is true.
 
2012-11-19 03:48:28 PM
Before we go all free-range on Marshall Stalin, I urge you all to go to snagfilms and search on the term 'Nanking' so that you may explore for yourselves what happens when one doesn't behave in a Stalinistic manner when it is situationally appropriate.
 
2012-11-19 03:51:43 PM
Domo arigato, Mr. Obama.

Domo, Domo.
 
2012-11-19 03:53:04 PM

Party Boy: seadoo2006: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: \seadoo2006: So ... who is the aggressor in this fight? The group of people that barged into Jerusalem and annexed a new state from a group of people living there already? Or the group of people that had their land stolen from them in 1948 to make way for 'war reparations' because in 6000 years, somehow the Jews cannot stop themselves from being blown up, burned, or crucified?

Fark it, let the whole region burn in some nuclear fiery event. The US and UN should clear every person out of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, tell them if they can't peacefully find a way to share the land in three months, the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.

Pretty sure that site is only particularly meaningful to Christians. Could be wrong.

A 50MT warhead on a site within a mile of the three holiest sites in Abrahamic religious would permanently wipe them all off the map. Gethsemane, the Wailing Wall, and the Dome of the Rock ... literally, a 500kg bunker buster would theoretically take them all out, but the symbolism of a thermonuclear device which leaves Jerusalem as a smoldering radioactive crater for the next 100 years seems more appropriate.

That is true.


Haha, I love that site ... drop a 50MT anywhere in the world and you're talking about monumental amounts of destruction. Using Gethsemane as ground zero, you'd pretty much erase the region off the map.

i50.tinypic.com

And the fallout would make the whole area uninhabitable for a very long time.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-19 03:53:11 PM

Magorn: doglover: Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim

No. Israel plays no part in the Ragnarok.

The good news is, with global warming, the Fimbulwinter is highly unlikely.

Gawd almighty, do you realize what you've just done? Now someday I'm going have to write a humor novel about the end of the world where ALL the competing doomsday scenarios from all the worlds's religions and myths come true setting off an absolute logistical nightmare...(and it will of course have to feature Thor and St MIchael going toe to toe at some point)


Rapture weather is local.
 
2012-11-19 03:54:33 PM

Headso: spiderpaz: Headso: spiderpaz: Great ... we develop a missile defense system costing us billions, then we sell it to Israel for $70 million, and Iran/Russia/China get to collect data and test how to beat it without suffering the consequences by letting Hamas fire Iranian/Soviet/Chinese missiles through it.

As always, the ones benefiting from US foreign policy are the Israelis not the Americans.

If that's your metric there's gotta be data to be gleaned from it actually functioning ..or not... it's like a beta test for the system.

That data would better serve us if it were collected from our own testing so that we knew the vulnerabilities but our adversaries didn't.

What data? they have videos of rockets flying through the night sky and then an explosion but the actual reports that the system spits out would be real numbers you could actually use to make it better.


Granted, NATO and Israel are the ones with the direct hands on access, so they are the ones getting the best data back, but the US has already tested all this crap on short, mid, and long range weapons over the last 8 years, so there's less for them to learn. The Iranians/Russians/Chinese however have basically no data to go on how the US missile system responds to certain types of rockets/angles/clusters of projectiles, so every piece of information they can pick up from satellites, video or radars within range from their allies/ships in the Mediterranean is information they didn't have before.

We'd be better off if they were blind so that any calculations they had to do as to what the NATO capability was would have to assume the worst case. The Iranians couldn't have "tested" their missiles by firing it at a US ship in the Gulf because they'd get annihilated. Under these circumstances though, their surrogate, Hamas, is firing the Iranian missiles for them at the US system, and Iran avoids a US response. So now they have results for tests against the US system so that they can now try to adapt to beat it in ways their current missiles are failing.

The next logical conclusion is that the US will have to improve its system to beat those new adaptations. And so on and so forth, in circles, and every time the US spends a couple billion on new missile defense projects, the Iranians can force them to do it again with a few million dollars worth of missiles smuggled into Gaza.

Obviously this isn't sustainable. It's why the Star Wars idea was scrutinized originally.
 
2012-11-19 03:55:46 PM

seadoo2006: Haha, I love that site ... drop a 50MT anywhere in the world and you're talking about monumental amounts of destruction.


USSЯ: shiatty targeting? No pЯoblem, comrade, we add more deuteЯium.
 
2012-11-19 03:57:40 PM

This text is now purple: gelovani: Obama stated on the news 2 days ago that, "Israel has the right to defend itself from threats OUTSIDE its borders" (read, The Gaza Strip). So, the Gaza Strip is now not part of Israel? The US vehemently denied Palestine's request to be recognized as a sovereign nation last year, making it still a part of Israel, but now Obama says they are a separate country outside of Israel's borders and are attacking Israel??!!

F*ck US foreign policy. F*ck Israeli domestic policy. How many innocent people have to die - especially Palestinians - before this atrocity is finally stopped?!

The US generally recognizes the 1967 borders, right?

Under that position, Gaza is part of Egypt.


Psh, it's been for millenia. I mean, hell, the phaoroahs buried their own and built the pyramids in Gaza!
 
2012-11-19 03:59:54 PM

seadoo2006: the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.


I could be wrong but I don't think the US has anything that big. The Soviets tested one that size, but I don't think it wasn't a deployable bomb (more like three semi tractors pushed together). Besides the fact that Bush jr cut nearly half our arsenal, we haven't built any new ones in 20 years. I think the biggest we ever built was the W53 9 MT warhead used on the Titan II. All of which have been decommissioned.
 
2012-11-19 04:00:49 PM
In the spirit of equality, shouldn't we give Palestine the same technology to prevent them from being bombed as well?
 
2012-11-19 04:03:16 PM

Party Boy: seadoo2006: Haha, I love that site ... drop a 50MT anywhere in the world and you're talking about monumental amounts of destruction.

USSЯ: shiatty targeting? No pЯoblem, comrade, we add more deuteЯium.


LOL

MonoChango: seadoo2006: the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.

I could be wrong but I don't think the US has anything that big. The Soviets tested one that size, but I don't think it wasn't a deployable bomb (more like three semi tractors pushed together). Besides the fact that Bush jr cut nearly half our arsenal, we haven't built any new ones in 20 years. I think the biggest we ever built was the W53 9 MT warhead used on the Titan II. All of which have been decommissioned.


True, but point remains ... I think anything above a 100kT yield would make at least the city of Jerusalem no more ... we'd need something a bit more powerful or a couple more if our intent was to remove all claims anywhere near that area of the world. 4 or 5 100kT warheads or a 9MT from the 1980s would do the trick though.
 
2012-11-19 04:03:36 PM

MonoChango: seadoo2006: the US drops a 50MT thermonuclear warhead on Gethsemane.

I could be wrong but I don't think the US has anything that big. The Soviets tested one that size, but I don't think it wasn't a deployable bomb (more like three semi tractors pushed together). Besides the fact that Bush jr cut nearly half our arsenal, we haven't built any new ones in 20 years. I think the biggest we ever built was the W53 9 MT warhead used on the Titan II. All of which have been decommissioned.


You are correct. It would probably take us more than three months to design and assemble a device of that size, and it would have to be trucked to the delivery point and assembled there.
 
2012-11-19 04:03:44 PM

MonoChango: I could be wrong but I don't think the US has anything that big.


We don't. US missiles were/are more accurate and didn't need all that margin of error.
 
2012-11-19 04:04:10 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [rt.com image 370x277]
Iron Dome Defensive battery


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Quassam rockets


ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.

All Hezbollah/Hamas etc needs to do is keep firing these rockets and Israel will be bleed to financial ruins.


THAT's the "Rocket" the IDF is getting so worked up about? I've seen the amatuer hobbyists of the L&DRA launch bigger rockets than that
 
2012-11-19 04:05:06 PM
cman
The left wing has herped and derped for days now about the evil right and their support of Israel while not saying a damn thing about Obama and his support of their actions. It will finally be nice to see the fark left take up the cause and bash the president

Partisans have infinite tolerance for cognitive dissonence.


The Stealth Hippopotamus
So missile defense doesn't escalate tensions.

It seems to let Israel think they can do anything with impunity.


AirForceVet
That's why war should be avoided at all costs because innocents die on both sides. I cannot hold Israel totally responsible for these children's deaths as Hamas has recklessly attacked Israel with rockets, bombs, and human Kamikazes. Children have died past from these attacks. More could have died if not for this missile defense system. Israel's response is simply self-defense.

You twisted, shameless, sick fark.


SuperNinjaToad
ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.

Furthermore it's only a matter of time until Qassams include simple GPS and countermeasures for whatever Iron Dome uses to track them.


SpectroBoy
So let's say some guy is punching you. Your defense is good and he only hits you one out of ten times. Would you escalate your defense? Or simply defend indefinetely until he eventually beats you to death?

Unless you're a complete farking moron, you'll find out why he's punching you.


Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy
Taking away that capability is eventually going to disabuse Hamas of the notion that it can get anywhere through continued violence, and will help force it to the negotiation table.

And what will bring Israel to the table? What incentive will they ever have to give up the West Bank and end the blockade of Gaza?

Do you seriously think it's possible to impose 100% perfect peace through force? Without making the survivors' #1 goal getting revenge? What happens when someone just bides their time for ten or twenty years and blows something up then? Are we back to square one?

Israel's demand for absolute guaranteed safety is an unrealistic expectation and the key problem. If they would be willing to deescalate (evidence suggests that it's even OK to retaliate, as long as they go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties as opposed to the current "Sorry we killed a family but there was a militant in the building" policy and the target is the actual attackers rather than tit-for-tat) then this would have been over years ago. But deescalation does nothing to help create the excuse to take the West Bank, and would be responded


signaljammer
How can anyone regard Obama as a liberal? I think he is best described as an amoral opportunist.

Are you saying that's a contradiction?
 
2012-11-19 04:06:05 PM
These comments.. I'm sure Einstein would be proud to know we march on proudly... to oblivion.

Do try to keep a bright side, eh? At the bottom we are all humans, not jews and arabs - and I, being neither of either, see just a small pool of futility at the bottom of an emptied well whether it comes hi-tech, or low.

It's fantastic we can make systems that defend from rocket attack - as foreseen for quite some time - now use that precious time of advantage to make overtures of peace, from a position of strength, directly to people. Its hard to ignore someone who offers aid when they could put a boot on your neck.

The opportunity exists here, for a moment, to speak in the very face of irrationality (rocket attack) and here's the question: is it a chance to laugh off attackers or to bypass them and broker directly to the palestinian peoples. I pray (and i am not religious) we can cap the advanced weaponry genie before it's too late, but this is all like a freaking ad for it.. what country won't have this soon, reduced to useless with some simple trick, starting the cycle over again but more ruthlessly? Use this chance.
 
2012-11-19 04:06:31 PM

SuperNinjaToad: ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.


All of that cost combined are worth it if it stops the spread of a greater war.
 
2012-11-19 04:07:32 PM

SpaceBison: sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net


Come on now! Get ahead of the game!

Photoshop this with the BIMBO DOUGH BOY.
 
2012-11-19 04:08:42 PM

LookForTheArrow: These comments.. I'm sure Einstein would be proud to know we march on proudly... to oblivion.

Do try to keep a bright side, eh? At the bottom we are all humans, not jews and arabs - and I, being neither of either, see just a small pool of futility at the bottom of an emptied well whether it comes hi-tech, or low.

It's fantastic we can make systems that defend from rocket attack - as foreseen for quite some time - now use that precious time of advantage to make overtures of peace, from a position of strength, directly to people. Its hard to ignore someone who offers aid when they could put a boot on your neck.

The opportunity exists here, for a moment, to speak in the very face of irrationality (rocket attack) and here's the question: is it a chance to laugh off attackers or to bypass them and broker directly to the palestinian peoples. I pray (and i am not religious) we can cap the advanced weaponry genie before it's too late, but this is all like a freaking ad for it.. what country won't have this soon, reduced to useless with some simple trick, starting the cycle over again but more ruthlessly? Use this chance.


Again, the answer is obvious. Erase it from the map. Permanently. Have the UN put a time table on it. Either they both agree to LASTING peace or the place gets wiped out. The world would be a better place if these sand monkeys lost everything they care about because Mr. Jew can't get along with Mr. Muslim and Mr. Christian hates them both.
 
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