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(Yahoo)   So apparently the only reason Tel Aviv isn't littered with smoking craters is because the Israel-hating, secret Muslim president of the US made sure they hade the "Iron Dome" rocket intercept system   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 386
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2012-11-19 02:50:51 PM
There should be a nationwide sound system that plays a loud gong sound every time a rocket is intercepted by the dome.


/Or at least the taco bell sound
//Stop being haders god dome it!
 
2012-11-19 02:51:18 PM
d1w7nqlfxfj094.cloudfront.net
 
2012-11-19 02:51:32 PM

SuperNinjaToad: ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.


heh, you might end up with more debris falling on people like that than actually letting the rockets find their mark.
 
2012-11-19 02:51:46 PM

Arkanaut: cman: Finally an article about Obama and Israel gets greened (unless I have missed one)

The left wing has herped and derped for days now about the evil right and their support of Israel while not saying a damn thing about Obama and his support of their actions. It will finally be nice to see the fark left take up the cause and bash the president

Selling anti-ballistic missiles != helping them bomb another country


Not really inequal. We're giving Israel the ability to shoot down rockets, which allows them to attack Gaza with minimum fear of retaliation. It would be like if MAD had no meaning with such a system if we or the Soviets had such an effective ABM system. If either us or the Soviets could have destroyed the other without fear of an effective attack, then what would prevent that side from thinking about and acting upon that "no risk to us" strategy?
 
2012-11-19 02:51:48 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Israel will be bleed to financial ruins


Someone is going to hemorrhage money, and it ain't going to be Israel.
 
2012-11-19 02:54:27 PM
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-11-19 02:55:31 PM

kindms: This doesn't compute. Either it works and is awesome so no need for Israel to launch attacks in to gaza or it doesn't work and there should be no praise for the US giving the Israelis junk defense weapons and they have a reason to go in to gaza


So if some guy is shooting at your house, but you have bullet proof glass, and reinforced walls so nothing gets through, there is no reason to respond?

Decados: Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex


Ok, Amos.
 
2012-11-19 02:55:37 PM

kindms: so we gave them this awesome missile defense but the rockets are the main justification for bombing the crap out of gaza ?

This doesn't compute. Either it works and is awesome so no need for Israel to launch attacks in to gaza or it doesn't work and there should be no praise for the US giving the Israelis junk defense weapons and they have a reason to go in to gaza.

if this article is to be believed it is suggesting that the rocket attacks aren't that big of an issue as they have the "Iron Dome" so that would mean the Israeli response is yet again disproportionate and it really isn't a direct result of said rocket attacks.


It's not really like this in real life...
www.otithelis.com
 
2012-11-19 02:56:44 PM
Wasn't Iron Dome developed and built by the Israelis? I thought the big deal in the last few years was trying to get US contracts for resupply and parts.

YES. But apparently the current MSM horseshiat is that the Obamessiah "gave" it to the Israelis.

I've been following Iron Dome development for a couple of years now. The Israelis came up with it, and bought *some* technology from the US for it (mainly radar components), with the US insisting that the Israelis "share" their complete system technology with us as payback.

The key innovation is the Israelis map the target area, and when the Iron Dome radar picks up an incoming rocket, it predicts where the rocket is going to land. If it's landing in an uninhabited area, Iron Dome does nothing. If it's heading for an inhabited area, it launches an interceptor.

The interceptors cost $100,000 each. They don't use them to shoot down $1000 rockets unless the rocket is a threat to Israelis.
 
2012-11-19 02:58:32 PM

Decados: Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.


Today. New York, Florida, etc. You know, places where they're stopped from farking around with other peoples lives on a massively meddlesome scale.

We're not talking about Jews. We're talking about Israelis (and Palestinians). Maybe you don't see the difference?
 
2012-11-19 02:58:37 PM

Decados:
Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.


Persia under Cyrus and Darius
Al-Andalus prior to the Granada massacre
Ottoman Empire from 1300 to 1800


What do all three of those have in common? The Jews were left alone and neither persecuted for religious beliefs nor exalted for being different. A shocking revelation: not treating a minority as a minority created stability and tolerance.
 
2012-11-19 02:59:25 PM
I hade when that happens.
 
2012-11-19 03:00:25 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [rt.com image 370x277]
Iron Dome Defensive battery


[www.aerospaceweb.org image 550x400]

Quassam rockets


ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.

All Hezbollah/Hamas etc needs to do is keep firing these rockets and Israel will be bleed to financial ruins.


unlikely, as Israel has unlimited coffers thanks to being the recipient of the largest US foreign aid funds!!
 
2012-11-19 03:00:28 PM
It's pretty cool they have this system.
 
2012-11-19 03:00:56 PM

free_waffles: Decados:
Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.

Persia under Cyrus and Darius
Al-Andalus prior to the Granada massacre
Ottoman Empire from 1300 to 1800


What do all three of those have in common? The Jews were left alone and neither persecuted for religious beliefs nor exalted for being different. A shocking revelation: not treating a minority as a minority created stability and tolerance.


Time to break out the rare farky of "understands history." Its a dusty old color with little use.
 
2012-11-19 03:02:30 PM
IDF, meh Hamas, phoey.

This is the real military threat to the region.

www.deviantart.com

/This thread needs more Domo Kun! 
//GIF is hot
 
2012-11-19 03:03:18 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [rt.com image 370x277]
Iron Dome Defensive battery


[www.aerospaceweb.org image 550x400]

Quassam rockets


ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.

All Hezbollah/Hamas etc needs to do is keep firing these rockets and Israel will be bleed to financial ruins.


While the rockets might cost a measly $900, the damage they do can be more than $1000.
 
2012-11-19 03:04:00 PM

aedude01: Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim

Nope. In the book Israel is being bombed from jet fighters. Suddenly God intervenes and the planes explode and go down. They land in the streets and fields, but Israel's population makes it out unscathed.


Right. But I can't recall if the authors had any Scriptural support for that. I don't believe there is, but it's been a while since I've read Revelation.
 
2012-11-19 03:04:43 PM

kindms: This doesn't compute. Either it works and is awesome so no need for Israel to launch attacks in to gaza or it doesn't work and there should be no praise for the US giving the Israelis junk defense weapons and they have a reason to go in to gaza.



Really!?!?! You think if the missle system "works" (meaning it stops MOST missiles) then Israel has no reason to respond.

So let's say some guy is punching you. Your defense is good and he only hits you one out of ten times. Would you escalate your defense? Or simply defend indefinetely until he eventually beats you to death?

Remember, we know what it means if you don't answer....
 
2012-11-19 03:04:48 PM
All I've seen them do is send up a few fireworks. Has anyone seen the iron dome in action taking out a large missile? ie. big explosion?
 
2012-11-19 03:05:26 PM

Diogenes: aedude01: Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim

Nope. In the book Israel is being bombed from jet fighters. Suddenly God intervenes and the planes explode and go down. They land in the streets and fields, but Israel's population makes it out unscathed.

Right. But I can't recall if the authors had any Scriptural support for that. I don't believe there is, but it's been a while since I've read Revelation.


I believe Jesus left Tomahawk missiles out of the scripture.
 
2012-11-19 03:06:26 PM

Magorn: doglover: Diogenes: Isn't the idea of rockets not being able to strike Israel one of the events leading up to the Rapture? I seem to remember that from the first book of Left Behind.

/read the series on a whim

No. Israel plays no part in the Ragnarok.

The good news is, with global warming, the Fimbulwinter is highly unlikely.

Gawd almighty, do you realize what you've just done? Now someday I'm going have to write a humor novel about the end of the world where ALL the competing doomsday scenarios from all the worlds's religions and myths come true setting off an absolute logistical nightmare...(and it will of course have to feature Thor and St MIchael going toe to toe at some point)


If you're not a fan of Supernatural, this post leads me to believe you might enjoy it. At one point in the Christian apocalypse plot line, a few key players are kidnapped by all the pagan Gods who are all like 'No. Nuh-uh. Underworld to the NO. Screw you guys and the commandments you Abrahamics road in on.'
 
2012-11-19 03:08:07 PM

cman: Finally an article about Obama and Israel gets greened (unless I have missed one)

The left wing has herped and derped for days now about the evil right and their support of Israel while not saying a damn thing about Obama and his support of their actions. It will finally be nice to see the fark left take up the cause and bash the president


It's internally consistent to both support supplying Israel with defensive weaponry to protect civilian populations and landmarks that are part of the world cultural heritage, and also oppose Israel's racist colonization policy and its policy toward the Palestinians that reinforces the cycle of terrorism and retribution. "I don't like what you're doing, but I don't want you to die either."

If anything, Iron Dome is ultimately good for peace in the region. Rocket attacks are pretty much the only weapon Hamas has left in its arsenal that has a reasonable chance of being effective against Israel. Taking away that capability is eventually going to disabuse Hamas of the notion that it can get anywhere through continued violence, and will help force it to the negotiation table.
 
2012-11-19 03:09:06 PM
So liberals now hate Obama?
 
2012-11-19 03:09:22 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [rt.com image 370x277]
Iron Dome Defensive battery


[www.aerospaceweb.org image 550x400]

Quassam rockets


ID may kickbutt but it's not cost effective. You're using a $100 million integrated air defense network with $100,000 missile to intercept a $900 unguided rocket that a group of guys make in the back of a garage.

All Hezbollah/Hamas etc needs to do is keep firing these rockets and Israel will be bleed to financial ruins.


We've probably paid for the entire system, so they're actually bleeding us to financial ruin.
 
2012-11-19 03:09:24 PM
This is the kind of stuff a pastor in my area is posting on his facebook:
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-19 03:09:51 PM

Party Boy: Those were back in the days when it was cool to link "disconnected" Nazi pictures to posts. You know, like your reply to mine.

At any rate, are you up to giving your outrage to the guy giving wrong figures? Are you going to keep trying to keep trying to jump down my throat?

Are you going to similarly show outrage to the Israeli government for claim to all of Jerusalem - and working towards that goal with settlement expansion?

Well see.


Ok so you're admitting you got nuthin.

And brother I'm not "jumping down your throat". Not a single personal attack and no name calling. I'm civil even when others are not civil towards me. Not always, I'm not perfect. Not saying you were uncivil! Just pointing out how I do things.

I just want to know how many rounds of high explosive need to be launched at a group of people before they get to say enough is enough. The other guy didn't back up his number with a link, and neither did you. But lets just use your numbers. Lets take your numbers as total and irrefutable! I don't trust any number that is that round but lets let it go. 3300 in 4 years. Is that enough to warrant Israel to use force to stop it? If not how many must there be?


/I really would like to know what nazi picture I used! Not saying it didnt happen, just unlikely. I try not to joke about the holocaust
// do you keep a list of threads where you think you're right so you can use them later, or do you remember this stuff?
 
2012-11-19 03:11:01 PM
did anyone mention that Obama is black yet
 
2012-11-19 03:11:09 PM
Well they were ugly guys
In an ugly place
Some also-rans in the human race
And even God got tired - just looking at them
 
2012-11-19 03:12:13 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So missile defense doesn't escalate tensions.
Giving money to Israel is now a good thing.


You do know that Israel buys the vast majority of their arms and tech from the US? So basically every dollar that we send over there for that purpose is just dressed up corporate warfare for the military industrial complex.


/personally have no problem with any of this.
//just wanting the Obama-manics to try to justify this
///Obama was right to do that, still losing to the broken clock.


I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to justify it at all. My only 'beef' in relation to Israel is the completely illogical ranting against Obama from the right on his supposedly anti-Israel policies. It is just another example of their completely fabricated narrative about him. I might be inclined to engage in some discussion about something like this, but if all you are looking for is some sort of complaints from the left about Obama's support of Israel, then maybe the right should actually acknowledge (and not just this one time) Obama's solid support of Israel since day 1. It would be pretty stupid for the left to rant against Obama's support of Israel while the right is ranting against him for his supposed LACK of support for Israel. It makes far more sense to point and laugh at how stupid the right is and make as many people aware of it as possible.
 
2012-11-19 03:12:14 PM
Obama stated on the news 2 days ago that, "Israel has the right to defend itself from threats OUTSIDE its borders" (read, The Gaza Strip). So, the Gaza Strip is now not part of Israel? The US vehemently denied Palestine's request to be recognized as a sovereign nation last year, making it still a part of Israel, but now Obama says they are a separate country outside of Israel's borders and are attacking Israel??!!

F*ck US foreign policy. F*ck Israeli domestic policy. How many innocent people have to die - especially Palestinians - before this atrocity is finally stopped?!
 
2012-11-19 03:12:20 PM
Hail Obama! Savior of Israel!
 
2012-11-19 03:15:29 PM

Minus 1 Charisma: Join me in pledging my life to dear leader!!


...because the only two choices are hate him like Stalin or love him like Jesus.
 
2012-11-19 03:16:38 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: just unlikely.


read the thread. You don't attach Nazi pictures to peoples posts in a Israel thread. Its ugly. I can complain about more, but thats all the argument I need.

Party Boy: At any rate, are you up to giving your outrage to the guy giving wrong figures? Are you going to keep trying to keep trying to jump down my throat?

Are you going to similarly show outrage to the Israeli government for claim to all of Jerusalem - and working towards that goal with settlement expansion?

Well see.


Nope on these counts. Look, address that, and we can continue. Otherwise, this is a tilted discussion. Direct your problems to the guy who was wrong. Address the outrage you had for one to the other.
 
2012-11-19 03:17:27 PM

LazerFish: This is the kind of stuff a pastor in my area is posting on his facebook:
[i.imgur.com image 630x1026]


The best part about that retarded tug-of-war picture?

It implies that Obama has the same amount of influence as God.

Also, I like how the giant hand from the sky has to be labeled "God". As though we couldn't tell.
 
2012-11-19 03:18:50 PM
How can anyone regard Obama as a liberal? I think he is best described as an amoral opportunist.
 
2012-11-19 03:18:52 PM
So apparently the only reason Tel Aviv GAZA isn't littered with smoking craters is because the Israel-hating, secret Muslim president of the US made sure they had the "Iron Dome" rocket intercept system that kept Israel from going all Dresden on them.
 
2012-11-19 03:19:26 PM
 
2012-11-19 03:20:14 PM

Party Boy: free_waffles: Decados:
Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.

Persia under Cyrus and Darius
Al-Andalus prior to the Granada massacre
Ottoman Empire from 1300 to 1800


What do all three of those have in common? The Jews were left alone and neither persecuted for religious beliefs nor exalted for being different. A shocking revelation: not treating a minority as a minority created stability and tolerance.

Time to break out the rare farky of "understands history." Its a dusty old color with little use.


Also, Denmark.

/mutherfarking Copenhagen Sewing Circle for the mutherfarking win
 
2012-11-19 03:20:36 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy:
Also, I like how the giant hand from the sky has to be labeled "God". As though we couldn't tell.


The intended audience does prefer literal interpretations of its fairy tales, so there you go.
 
2012-11-19 03:20:37 PM
Iron Dome, Iron Dome
Friendly neihborhood Iron Dome
Stops Qassams, more-or-less
Where they'll land? Have a guess.

I'm safe - thanks to the Iron Dome!

In the cool desert air
There's a flash in the night
Iron Dome's taking care
That we all can sleep tight
 
2012-11-19 03:21:50 PM

K.B.O. Winston: /mutherfarking Copenhagen Sewing Circle for the mutherfarking win


I wonder if rule 34 applies?
 
2012-11-19 03:22:12 PM

Decados: Tommy Moo: Can anyone name one thing this "ally" has ever done for the U.S.? They are an arrogant little shiat of a country, full of hubris on the grant that we will give them unconditional financial support and moral authority. It is literally true that Israel could announce tomorrow that they are intentionally targeting schools with the purpose of killing as many Palestinian children as possible, and not one prominent American politician would criticize them. So let me say it then: fark Israel. You exist because Christians in this country want you in place to bring about Apocalypse as described in the Book of Revelations. It's a macabre absurdity!

You're forgetting about good old WWII guilt. On the whole though, I actually agree. Israel is the most worthless 'ally' have. Sure, we have some who do us no good, but Israel actually does us negative. It's a morass that we will never escape out of.

Name me one point in history that the Jewish people have actually been able to live at peace with their neighbors, no matter who those neighbors might be. Might be time for them to realize that a good bit of the problem is them, and get over the martyr/victim complex.


Just reposting in case you missed it in my other post: DENMARK.
 
2012-11-19 03:23:47 PM

signaljammer: How can anyone regard Obama as a liberal?


He's black.
 
2012-11-19 03:23:51 PM
Great ... we develop a missile defense system costing us billions, then we sell it to Israel for $70 million, and Iran/Russia/China get to collect data and test how to beat it without suffering the consequences by letting Hamas fire Iranian/Soviet/Chinese missiles through it.

As always, the ones benefiting from US foreign policy are the Israelis not the Americans.
 
2012-11-19 03:24:53 PM

signaljammer: How can anyone regard Obama as a liberal? I think he is best described as an amoral opportunist.


Maybe he should go into politics?
 
2012-11-19 03:24:57 PM

Gdalescrboz: So liberals now hate Obama?


Aren't you adorable.
 
2012-11-19 03:25:59 PM
My son in law is from the West Bank. After hearing his stories, and doing my own non-governmental research (Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and others) I have come to these conclusions:

1. Israel is an aggressive nation. Having the right to defend yourself is one thing, trying to occupy and kill your way into an adjoining country, is another.
2. Almost every Palestinian is raised to have feelings about the Israelis ranging from "dislike" to "extreme hatred".
3. Palestinians are so used to having the IDF in their territory they are numb to their existence. Until, of course, the IDF utilizes its hundreds of fixed and flying roadblocks or plows down houses and shoots rock throwing children. Israeli occupiers have built modern, multi-laned highways in the West Bank that only Israeli settlers are allowed to use. Israeli settlers are encouraged to aggressively take land, with the aid of the IDF.
4. Hamas does NOT represent the political views of the average Palestinian.
5. The Gaza Palestinians had little recourse in accepting the leadership of Hamas, although the Palestinian Authority still has influence there. Hamas is a dangerous entity, and Gaza Palestinians are trapped in their territory.
6. The Palestinian Authority, however small in size and power, are trying to legitimize the right of the Palestinian people to become a Nation.

As a Canadian, I am ashamed that my government, along with the USA and others, have refused to recognize the Palestinians to become a Nation at the U.N. Absolute cowards that cow-tow to a bully nation.

Someone posted above asking what has Israel done for the U.S. other than take financial support?
Israel, in return for US assistance offers intelligence, multi-level clandestine operations, intimidation and elimination of those pesky Arabs on behalf of those unwilling to risk political futures for a sense of comfort in knowing there is "someone else" to do their dirty work. 

No, I can't back up every one of my comments with specific document, page or reference.
Yes, I am upset with the present situation and how it will affect us in the west.
 
2012-11-19 03:26:02 PM

spiderpaz: Great ... we develop a missile defense system costing us billions, then we sell it to Israel for $70 million, and Iran/Russia/China get to collect data and test how to beat it without suffering the consequences by letting Hamas fire Iranian/Soviet/Chinese missiles through it.

As always, the ones benefiting from US foreign policy are the Israelis not the Americans.


Poe's Law, ladies and gents.
 
2012-11-19 03:26:09 PM

spiderpaz: Great ... we develop a missile defense system costing us billions, then we sell it to Israel for $70 million, and Iran/Russia/China get to collect data and test how to beat it without suffering the consequences by letting Hamas fire Iranian/Soviet/Chinese missiles through it.

As always, the ones benefiting from US foreign policy are the Israelis not the Americans.


If that's your metric there's gotta be data to be gleaned from it actually functioning ..or not... it's like a beta test for the system.
 
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