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(Washington Post)   The first section of the DC Beltway's new HOT lanes opened this weekend, let's see how they handle the first Monday morning rush hour. 6:11 - HOT lanes open, 6:38 - 4 car collision at entrance shuts down HOT lanes   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 164
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2012-11-19 10:06:23 AM

This text is now purple: RsquaredW: They've had five collisions since the HOT lanes opened on Saturday, all of which were people who got caught going onto the lanes and trying to swerve out. Brilliant signage, obviously.

Not that they didn't do it in the stupidest way possible, anyway.

The way the HOT lanes interact with I-66 is intentional stupidity.


I was under the impression they just used the old left exits for half of them.

JackieRabbit: DCers don't know how to use HOV lanes? Live and learn. Live and learn....


Huh? There's probably more HOV lanes/roads in the DC metro area than anywhere else on earth.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-19 10:06:55 AM
maxximillian: It's also been on the radio and in the news. If people somehow managed to miss this it's thier fault not VDOT.

We don't know if the backers were regular commuters.

I know somebody who got a toll ticket in Massachusetts where we've had cameras for years. She didn't like highways, had never been on the toll road before, and had no clue how to properly navigate the lines of cars at a toll plaza. I'm sure there are people in Virginia who don't regularly take the highway and pay no attention to highway-related news. Some of those pick the wrong day to take a special trip and end up confused.
 
2012-11-19 10:07:42 AM
Hey NOVA FARKers!

When I used to visit DC, I parked in the old Perpetual Savings Bank parking lot near the yellow line just off the beltway (near Geo. Washinton's Masonic lodge). It's been years, so that option is probably no longer available. I'm planning a trip to visit some museums. Where are some good parking lots in NOVA for those of us just visiting that are near a Metro station? I don't mind paying to park, but free is always better.
 
2012-11-19 10:08:00 AM
Having witness a car make a right turn from the #1 of 4 lanes, onto the I-95 North exit ramp while going 60 MPH and completely perpendicular to the Maryland inner loop traffic, I can safely say that I have seen it all.

GO TO THE NEXT FARKING EXIT YOU ASS. 
 
2012-11-19 10:10:29 AM

jkl65s4: There has been an extensive media campaign for these new express lanes. The traffic reporters are going out of their way to mention it as well as a big push since summer to get the locals signed up and using E-ZPass. I seriously don't know how much more clear it could be. The only thing I can suggest is parking a state trooper at the entrance 24/7, as people are a lot less likely to do stupid things if they know a cop is right there who will give them an even bigger ticket.


1. I-66 to NB I-495 used to have two exits (left and right). The left exit has been repurposed for the HOT lanes. This is not well signed.
2. Not everyone on the beltway is a local.
 
2012-11-19 10:11:32 AM

wambu: Hey NOVA FARKers!

When I used to visit DC, I parked in the old Perpetual Savings Bank parking lot near the yellow line just off the beltway (near Geo. Washinton's Masonic lodge). It's been years, so that option is probably no longer available. I'm planning a trip to visit some museums. Where are some good parking lots in NOVA for those of us just visiting that are near a Metro station? I don't mind paying to park, but free is always better.


I usually just park in the Metro lots, they're cheap and free on weekends. You pretty much need a smart trip card for the metro these days anyway.
 
2012-11-19 10:11:56 AM
"Drivers using the HOT lanes will find that they have variable tolls, meaning the fees will change depending on how much traffic is on the road."

whatwhat? sounds like some pretty easy number manipulation can be had there.
 
2012-11-19 10:13:16 AM

nickerj1: The way the HOT lanes interact with I-66 is intentional stupidity.

I was under the impression they just used the old left exits for half of them.


They do. The problem is most people merging onto NB I-495 used the left exits. The right exit was shared with the SB I-495. Last time I went, it was still in its final construction phase, and featured very passive-aggressive signage. If it's like the way VDOT usually operates, I suspect it's still like that.
 
2012-11-19 10:14:25 AM

You Are All Sheep: "Drivers using the HOT lanes will find that they have variable tolls, meaning the fees will change depending on how much traffic is on the road."

whatwhat? sounds like some pretty easy number manipulation can be had there.


Yeah, that sounds like bullshiat. Assuming that means what it sounds like it means, you know, if the fee isn't predictable in advance, drivers won't be able to respond to it and it will be an ineffective traffic control. At that point, it's a pure cash grab.
 
2012-11-19 10:14:37 AM

sodomizer: (A)

Drivers: the problem is the roads!

(B)

Roads: the problem is the drivers!

(If you pick A, you're liberal. If you pick B, you're conservative.)


i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-19 10:18:44 AM

limeyfellow: Within 15 minutes of driving into DC I saw 6 accidents and someone who was trailing us at about 6 feet nearly slammed into our car. WIthin 20 minutes I was cussing like a sailor and wanting to go all ITG on everyone else on the road.


So after 20 minutes you reached the state most people are while scraping their windows in the morning if they live in the DC metro area. Living there for 5 years gave me excellent driving training, but it also gave me unholy levels of stress. I was in 3 accidents while living there. Never been in any before, and never any after. 2 were me being rear-ended. Both while stopped at a light. And the third was someone merging into my turn lane, from his turn lane. Totaling my car. None of these accidents got a police report because VA doesn't think someone's insurance might want that. At least I never had to pay a deductible, everyone admitted fault.

The last accident, I took my car to the shop reccomended by her insurance. They did $2K worth of repair work for what was probably $200 worth of damage. The guys there were happy to fix my car's dents, dings, and scrapes from it's whole history on their insurance's dime.

They even resurfaced my rims.
 
2012-11-19 10:20:16 AM

You Are All Sheep: "Drivers using the HOT lanes will find that they have variable tolls, meaning the fees will change depending on how much traffic is on the road what new projects need to be funded."

 
2012-11-19 10:20:54 AM

freewill: Fade2black: A woman.

If I could have the time back that I've spent frantically reminding the g/f that no, she can't just brake here to give herself a moment to think about what to do next...

/ The cop is waving you on to the right. Go. Go now! I know we were going left, but the road is closed. There are on other options. You have to go right. THE COP IS GETTING PISSED. GO.


If you need lots of time to make decisions, perhaps driving is not for you. Walk and don't chew gum while you're doing it so the rest of us can actually go somewhere. Holy mother of piss me the hell off, braking doesn't give you magical extra special timey wimey to think while everyone else waits--it's to make you not run into things.

/woman
//makes me want to vandalize people's cars while driving
///driving is not for the timid, scared, or the semi-functional
 
2012-11-19 10:24:19 AM

brigid_fitch: Hack Patooey: The cause of the crash has not been determined but Virginia State Police are urging drivers to be careful and not back up if they mistakenly enter the Express Lanes.

I see it all the time, but who the fark thinks its OK to back up on the highway because you screwed up an exit?

Not only do I see this all the time, some farkwit BACKED INTO ME once! Going onto an entrance ramp and the car started giving me issues--wouldn't accelerate right, almost every idiot light on the dash starts flashing. Didn't want to pull onto a busy highway when she's acting up, so I pulled onto the shoulder & called AAA. As I'm waiting, a white commercial pickup truck passes me, goes onto the shoulder, and starts backing up. I figure he's being a good Samaritan and wants to see if he can help. Except that he's not slowing down. Hit the horn but the car's turned off--no horn. By the time I turn on the ignition to try the horn again or maybe try to get the hell out of the way, the asshole slams right into me. Bumper crumples, trailer hitch on the back of the truck punctures the radiator. When he tries to pull forward, he nearly rips the radiator out of the engine. No injuries, thankfully, just utter incredulity.

Luckily, the 2 guys he was with told the cops the truth. I don't think anyone, myself included, would EVER believe that somebody got backed into on the shoulder of a busy highway ramp. But it happened.

/CSB
//VW's apparently have a "limp-home" mode (Emergency Running Mode). That's what kicked in that day. Never experienced it before.


Ahh, the glories of VW ownership. Sounds like you own a GTI or a GLI, probably late 2007 - 2010?

/We call it "Christmas tree-ing."
//It farking sucks.
///DSG FTL
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-19 10:24:22 AM
Girion47

Police also don't investigate minor accidents around here. Insurance companies follow a set of rules to assign fault: rear ender paid by insurance of guy in back, DUI paid by drunk guy's insurance, etc. In doubtful cases the adjusters have a beer and agree to split the bill 50-50. If you don't have collision insurance (for damage to your own car) you'd better hope it's obviously the other guy's fault.

If there's an injury or spectacular wreck, or an important person involved, somebody might get a ticket.  A death results in a real investigation, with the road blocked off until they've measured and photographed and sniffed and sampled everything they care about.
 
2012-11-19 10:24:36 AM

RsquaredW: They've had five collisions since the HOT lanes opened on Saturday, all of which were people who got caught going onto the lanes and trying to swerve out. Brilliant signage, obviously.


DC is pretty famous for putting direction signs AFTER its too late to change your mind. Especially in the tunnels. Its purely built for locals.
 
2012-11-19 10:26:55 AM
So basically, I should be glad that I visited the DC/NoVa area back in June, because there's no way on God's grey earth I'd ever want to deal with this clusterfark in what's left of my lifetime?
 
2012-11-19 10:28:06 AM

MindStalker: RsquaredW: They've had five collisions since the HOT lanes opened on Saturday, all of which were people who got caught going onto the lanes and trying to swerve out. Brilliant signage, obviously.

DC is pretty famous for putting direction signs AFTER its too late to change your mind. Especially in the tunnels. Its purely built for locals.


I love that one on 395 N to Mass Ave (off the SESW Freeway). Literally sits where a gap in the tunnel prevents you from seeing the sign that tells you where to go to get to "NY Ave N" and "Mass Ave" until after the divide has split. Not just a solid white line, there's divider there.
 
2012-11-19 10:32:29 AM

nelsonal: wambu: Hey NOVA FARKers!

When I used to visit DC, I parked in the old Perpetual Savings Bank parking lot near the yellow line just off the beltway (near Geo. Washinton's Masonic lodge). It's been years, so that option is probably no longer available. I'm planning a trip to visit some museums. Where are some good parking lots in NOVA for those of us just visiting that are near a Metro station? I don't mind paying to park, but free is always better.

I usually just park in the Metro lots, they're cheap and free on weekends. You pretty much need a smart trip card for the metro these days anyway.


I think it's an extra $.75 per trip if yo use the paper farecard.

You might be able to park in the little Pentagon parking lot across from the Macy's at Pentagon City. It's open to the public for free after 5PM and on weekends. Very short walk to Pentagon City Metro. Otherwise, I agree, park at a Metro lot.
 
2012-11-19 10:33:17 AM

Minerva8918: Hack Patooey: The cause of the crash has not been determined but Virginia State Police are urging drivers to be careful and not back up if they mistakenly enter the Express Lanes.

I see it all the time, but who the fark thinks its OK to back up on the highway because you screwed up an exit?

Morans of the DC variety.


MORAN (moran)
A member of the warrior group of the Masai people of East Africa, which comprises the younger unmarried males.
Origin: Masai


MORON (moron)
Informal
A stupid person: We can't let these thoughtless morons get away with mindless vandalism every weekend.
Origin: early 20th century (as a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8-12): from Greek mron, neuter of mros 'foolish'
 
2012-11-19 10:34:39 AM

gochuck: I laugh at the people who live out in the burbs. If you work in DC, live in DC (especially if you don't have kids, no excuse then).


I agree in principle, but that is a non-starter if you're a firearm owner. Even after Heller v. DC came down the process to legally get and register a handgun in the District is completely ridiculous. This is not a problem for criminal gangs, as I've seen there, but just the law-abiding.

/Wouldn't affect me if I lived there
 
2012-11-19 10:35:30 AM

gochuck: I laugh at the people who live out in the burbs. If you work in DC, live in DC (especially if you don't have kids, no excuse then).


We laugh at you and your living in tiny boxes with ridiculously high rents. I'll stick with the nice big house, yard, with a mortgage less than DC rent, and lower taxes.

/takes the VRE
//been delayed twice in three years
///biggest problem is the METRO transfer.
 
2012-11-19 10:35:40 AM

Dreyelle: MORAN (moran)


You've been here since 2009; do catch up.
 
2012-11-19 10:35:47 AM
damn. i have to drive to fredericksburg for thanksgiving. the beltway was painful enough already.
 
2012-11-19 10:35:54 AM

DeathCipris: brigid_fitch: Hack Patooey: The cause of the crash has not been determined but Virginia State Police are urging drivers to be careful and not back up if they mistakenly enter the Express Lanes.

I see it all the time, but who the fark thinks its OK to back up on the highway because you screwed up an exit?

Not only do I see this all the time, some farkwit BACKED INTO ME once! Going onto an entrance ramp and the car started giving me issues--wouldn't accelerate right, almost every idiot light on the dash starts flashing. Didn't want to pull onto a busy highway when she's acting up, so I pulled onto the shoulder & called AAA. As I'm waiting, a white commercial pickup truck passes me, goes onto the shoulder, and starts backing up. I figure he's being a good Samaritan and wants to see if he can help. Except that he's not slowing down. Hit the horn but the car's turned off--no horn. By the time I turn on the ignition to try the horn again or maybe try to get the hell out of the way, the asshole slams right into me. Bumper crumples, trailer hitch on the back of the truck punctures the radiator. When he tries to pull forward, he nearly rips the radiator out of the engine. No injuries, thankfully, just utter incredulity.

Luckily, the 2 guys he was with told the cops the truth. I don't think anyone, myself included, would EVER believe that somebody got backed into on the shoulder of a busy highway ramp. But it happened.

/CSB
//VW's apparently have a "limp-home" mode (Emergency Running Mode). That's what kicked in that day. Never experienced it before.

Ahh, the glories of VW ownership. Sounds like you own a GTI or a GLI, probably late 2007 - 2010?

/We call it "Christmas tree-ing."
//It farking sucks.
///DSG FTL


I currently have a Cadillac SRX (bought used, can't afford anywhere new) and it has this 'feature' as well. MAF sensor not reading quite right? get used to driving at 3mph. Yay. What? Car got wet? F U.

I gave up american made cars 15-ish years ago and never had a problem. Always liked the look of these and bit the bullet. Well the bullet bit back. And you can say "bought someone else's problems" until you look at the caddy forums and see new or old, they all have some pretty impressive issues.

Cadillac, standard of the world. Yea...the third world.
 
2012-11-19 10:36:36 AM

Dreyelle: Minerva8918: Hack Patooey: The cause of the crash has not been determined but Virginia State Police are urging drivers to be careful and not back up if they mistakenly enter the Express Lanes.

I see it all the time, but who the fark thinks its OK to back up on the highway because you screwed up an exit?

Morans of the DC variety.

MORAN (moran)
A member of the warrior group of the Masai people of East Africa, which comprises the younger unmarried males.
Origin: Masai


MORON (moron)
Informal
A stupid person: We can't let these thoughtless morons get away with mindless vandalism every weekend.
Origin: early 20th century (as a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8-12): from Greek mron, neuter of mros 'foolish'


Welcometofark.jpg

/Get a brain morans
 
2012-11-19 10:39:49 AM

sodomizer: (A)

Drivers: the problem is the roads!

(B)

Roads: the problem is the drivers!

(If you pick A, you're liberal. If you pick B, you're conservative.)


c) Kill your sister, so you can see the guy/girl again!
 
2012-11-19 10:40:34 AM

Dreyelle: Minerva8918: Hack Patooey: The cause of the crash has not been determined but Virginia State Police are urging drivers to be careful and not back up if they mistakenly enter the Express Lanes.

I see it all the time, but who the fark thinks its OK to back up on the highway because you screwed up an exit?

Morans of the DC variety.

MORAN (moran)
A member of the warrior group of the Masai people of East Africa, which comprises the younger unmarried males.
Origin: Masai


MORON (moron)
Informal
A stupid person: We can't let these thoughtless morons get away with mindless vandalism every weekend.
Origin: early 20th century (as a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8-12): from Greek mron, neuter of mros 'foolish'


4.bp.blogspot.com
Obscure?
 
2012-11-19 10:40:55 AM
And work wonders why I dont want to transfer to any of our DC/VA offices. Commuted there for years and it was not worth the hassle. Wait til the snow hits the hot lanes then you will see the fun. What a waste of money, the best thing you can do is avoid Tysons corner all together.
 
2012-11-19 10:43:22 AM

Dreyelle: Minerva8918: Hack Patooey: The cause of the crash has not been determined but Virginia State Police are urging drivers to be careful and not back up if they mistakenly enter the Express Lanes.

I see it all the time, but who the fark thinks its OK to back up on the highway because you screwed up an exit?

Morans of the DC variety.

MORAN (moran)
A member of the warrior group of the Masai people of East Africa, which comprises the younger unmarried males.
Origin: Masai


MORON (moron)
Informal
A stupid person: We can't let these thoughtless morons get away with mindless vandalism every weekend.
Origin: early 20th century (as a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8-12): from Greek mron, neuter of mros 'foolish'


What a Northern Virginia Moran might look like.
 
2012-11-19 10:43:29 AM

groppet: And work wonders why I dont want to transfer to any of our DC/VA offices. Commuted there for years and it was not worth the hassle. Wait til the snow hits the hot lanes then you will see the fun. What a waste of money, the best thing you can do is avoid Tysons corner all together.


Quoted for truthiness.
 
2012-11-19 10:44:09 AM
I think it's BS that they take public road space, publicly maintained roads and tell you that you can't use them, even though you're paying your taxes.
For them to be fair and legal, they need to create their own space that does not infringe on the public roadways, fund them privately, maintain them privately, and charge whatever the usage market will bear for use.
They did the same thing here in Utah. They took one of our lanes away, turned it into a (miserable faliure of an) HOV lane and charge for it's use unless you're carpooling or have paid for the Express (whatever the hell they're calling it).
It's a complete joke.
 
2012-11-19 10:44:51 AM

kokomo61: All EZ-pass users have also received snail mail explaining IN DETAIL what's happening, how to handle it, and what you need to do in case you want an HOV-capable EZ-pass.


WTH is an "HOV-capable" EZ-pass?? Why doesn't a standard EZ-pass work as-is? C'mon Virginia, this doesn't need to be complicated.
 
2012-11-19 10:45:16 AM

Spade: gochuck: I laugh at the people who live out in the burbs. If you work in DC, live in DC (especially if you don't have kids, no excuse then).

We laugh at you and your living in tiny boxes with ridiculously high rents. I'll stick with the nice big house, yard, with a mortgage less than DC rent, and lower taxes.

/takes the VRE
//been delayed twice in three years
///biggest problem is the METRO transfer.


Bullshiat. I took the VRE, it's delayed at least once a month, even more if there's any snow, rain, or Amtrak/CSX feels like being a dick.
 
2012-11-19 10:46:12 AM

You Are All Sheep: DeathCipris:

/CSB
//VW's apparently have a "limp-home" mode (Emergency Running Mode). That's what kicked in that day. Never experienced it before.

Ahh, the glories of VW ownership. Sounds like you own a GTI or a GLI, probably late 2007 - 2010?

/We call it "Christmas tree-ing."
//It farking sucks.
///DSG FTL

I currently have a Cadillac SRX (bought used, can't afford anywhere new) and it has this 'feature' as well. MAF sensor not reading quite right? get used to driving at 3mph. Yay. What? Car got wet? F U.

I gave up american made cars ...


Thank you for the info! I am getting rid of my problem child of a 06' GLI. I am with you too. I don't really have the best of confidence when it comes to "'Murican" cars (read as no confidence). I am currently looking into a new Hyundai. Can't beat that factory 100K miles powertrain warranty!
 
2012-11-19 10:46:27 AM
I have driven in and around the MD/DC/VA area all of my life. The DC beltway is full of crazies 24/7.
I have been told that the DC beltway is one of the worst places to drive in the country.
 
2012-11-19 10:46:49 AM
www.examiner.com
 
2012-11-19 10:50:16 AM

computerguyUT: I think it's BS that they take public road space, publicly maintained roads and tell you that you can't use them, even though you're paying your taxes.
For them to be fair and legal, they need to create their own space that does not infringe on the public roadways, fund them privately, maintain them privately, and charge whatever the usage market will bear for use.
They did the same thing here in Utah. They took one of our lanes away, turned it into a (miserable faliure of an) HOV lane and charge for it's use unless you're carpooling or have paid for the Express (whatever the hell they're calling it).
It's a complete joke.


I can't say with 100% certainty that this is true along the entire length of the project, but these HOT lanes around the VA part of the Beltway did not reduce (or otherwise "take away from") the existing highway (unless you count dealing with the huge mess while they were under construction.)

I actually am optimisitic that eventually these lanes will help reduce the clusterfark of traffic that was there before, but everytime part of the highway system around here gets "fixed" it just pushes the bottleneck somewhere else a couple miles away.
 
2012-11-19 10:53:18 AM

computerguyUT: I think it's BS that they take public road space, publicly maintained roads and tell you that you can't use them, even though you're paying your taxes.
For them to be fair and legal, they need to create their own space that does not infringe on the public roadways, fund them privately, maintain them privately, and charge whatever the usage market will bear for use.
They did the same thing here in Utah. They took one of our lanes away, turned it into a (miserable faliure of an) HOV lane and charge for it's use unless you're carpooling or have paid for the Express (whatever the hell they're calling it).
It's a complete joke.


These were entirely privately funded, which is why they're toll rather than just HOV lanes. State gets the road after 99 years.
 
2012-11-19 10:54:51 AM
The way the "dynamic toll" system is set up for these toll lanes, the SLOWER traffic moves in them, the more the trip costs you. Call me a cynic, but I would not be shocked to find 10 years from now that the company that built the lanes is found to hire people to have accidents, breakdowns etc while using their lanes . and why not? If people finally get fed up and stop using the lanes, or if VA ever adds other roads to relieve that congestion, thier contract with the state says the state will gurantee their profits if user revenue falls below certain benchmarks


Free enterprise solution, my ass. The lanes are really a Tax on every NOVA driver from an adminstration that doesn't have the balls to raise taxes in the normal way because the Gov wants to run for president one day
 
2012-11-19 10:55:02 AM

nelsonal: I usually just park in the Metro lots, they're cheap and free on weekends.


I always visit during the week and the lots were typically full.
 
2012-11-19 10:57:12 AM

This text is now purple: genepool lifeboat: I actually know people that will get on an expressway, even if there is a more direct route, simply because it is the only way they know how to get anywhere.

Expressway routes can be shorter in time versus land routes which are shorter in distance.


This^. I can take the local roads from my house to the business district in Toms River, NJ or jump on the Garden State Parkway for one exit and save myself 10 minutes.
 
2012-11-19 10:57:24 AM
I stayed at my last job for nearly two more years after the CEO retired and was replaced by a bipolar, screaming harpy with short term memory loss because it allowed me a reverse Metro commute from DC to MD. That's how much I didn't want to drive on the beltway.
 
2012-11-19 10:57:35 AM

Minerva8918: Hack Patooey: The cause of the crash has not been determined but Virginia State Police are urging drivers to be careful and not back up if they mistakenly enter the Express Lanes.

I see it all the time, but who the fark thinks its OK to back up on the highway because you screwed up an exit?

Morans of the DC variety.


It's catching on here in MO too and I hate it with a fiery passion.
 
2012-11-19 10:57:47 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: They rigged up a ramp where anyone can get on the thing and only once you're committed do you realize that there's no toll-taker option. You either have the EZ-Pass radio transponder or you don't. The sign informing you "EZ-Pass Required" is little more than the sign you might have in your neighborhood reading, "Cloaca Lane" or "Mutton Road".

And once you're in, there's no way out NOR do you have any idea what fate awaits you if you don't pay the toll. Could be the Drone comes out of the Pentagon and Hellfire's your illicit motoring ass. Could be the whole thing locks up like those giant steel plates that come up out of the ground around the Capitol Building and other super-secure locations around here. Rather than risk such a fate, the only alternative is to back your shiat on up the ramp to freedom and hope your friendly fellow motorists will take sympathy on you.

Turns out it's a minor fine if you don't have the EZ-Pass, something like $12.50 plus a $1.50 handling fee. They should make the EZ-Pass Required sign a GIANT farking billboard, screaming at you, some radio message broadcasting at 10 Million Megawatts across the entire radio spectrum so that no matter what you're tuned to it'll scream "YOU MUST HAVE AN EZ-PASS OR THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WILL HOLD YOU DOWN AND ADMINISTER AN ANGRY JAILHOUSE FISTFARK!" or some such warning.


It is well signed:

www.tagsva.org

MindStalker: RsquaredW: They've had five collisions since the HOT lanes opened on Saturday, all of which were people who got caught going onto the lanes and trying to swerve out. Brilliant signage, obviously.

DC is pretty famous for putting direction signs AFTER its too late to change your mind. Especially in the tunnels. Its purely built for locals.


True. I still fark this one up regularly.

ImpendingCynic: kokomo61: All EZ-pass users have also received snail mail explaining IN DETAIL what's happening, how to handle it, and what you need to do in case you want an HOV-capable EZ-pass.

WTH is an "HOV-capable" EZ-pass?? Why doesn't a standard EZ-pass work as-is? C'mon Virginia, this doesn't need to be complicated.


connection.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com

This thing. You switch to to "HOV ON" if you have 3 people in your car, then you don't get charged the toll. It's not complicated.

I saw an 18 wheeler pulled over on the HOT lanes this morning despite all the electronic signs alternating something to the effect of "2 axles only".

My disappointment: No access TO the HOT lanes from the 95/395 HOV lanes, only the other way around. Stupid.
 
2012-11-19 10:58:40 AM

Sunrazor: sodomizer: (A)

Drivers: the problem is the roads!

(B)

Roads: the problem is the drivers!

(If you pick A, you're liberal. If you pick B, you're conservative.)

c) Kill your sister, so you can see the guy/girl again!


if you're a 'c' you'll end up like me!

/c, the heavenly (and fark) option!
 
2012-11-19 11:06:30 AM

freewill: You Are All Sheep: "Drivers using the HOT lanes will find that they have variable tolls, meaning the fees will change depending on how much traffic is on the road."

whatwhat? sounds like some pretty easy number manipulation can be had there.

Yeah, that sounds like bullshiat. Assuming that means what it sounds like it means, you know, if the fee isn't predictable in advance, drivers won't be able to respond to it and it will be an ineffective traffic control. At that point, it's a pure cash grab.


Well, HOT lanes aren't called "Lexus Lanes" for nothing, you know. Basically, as the traffic increases in the free lanes, the price goes up in the Lexus lane as well. The tolls are measuring how much you value your travel time; do you want to sit in traffic for 30 minutes, or get to where you want to go in 10 but pay a $5 fee for that convenience? If the traffic volume goes down, so does the toll cost.

You're paying for the luxury of driving around the plebes stuck in the free lanes, hence the term "Lexus Lanes".
 
2012-11-19 11:06:58 AM
Drove over 495 this morning on my way to work...the regular lanes were moving faster than the HOT lanes. Suckers.
 
2012-11-19 11:10:03 AM

ImpendingCynic: WTH is an "HOV-capable" EZ-pass?? Why doesn't a standard EZ-pass work as-is? C'mon Virginia, this doesn't need to be complicated.


No, this is Metro DC and it needs to be as complex and incomprehensible as possible. I came here from California. When I was a kid they had a toll-free lane crossing the Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge. It was called a "Carpool Lane". People know what carpool means. It means more than one person in the car. So I move to The Northern Virginia and discover some peculiar thing called an "HOV" lane. Why, whatever could that be? Is it short for "Hovercraft"? Then I see another sign with much smaller print, nearly unreadable at freeway speeds which says that HOV stands for High Occupancy Vehicle. OK. Well, the sedan holds five. The ex-wife's minivan held seven. I'd say those are high occupancy for a motor vehicle. Does that mean they must be filled to capacity? Not so sure. Oh, here it is, a number 2 or a number 3, that must indicate how many people must be in the car, empty seats are OK.

This is Metro DC. It is a place of cults and cults of cults. A place of secret access, of passwords and back rooms. It is a culture of exclusion and rigid hierarchy, where systems and structures that would be simple and commonplace anywhere else are bound up in jargon and codes and hoops through which one must jump in order to prove worthy to be in The Club.
 
2012-11-19 11:10:12 AM
living in Loudoun county (Leesburg) and working about 35 Mi away in downtown DC, I'd say the best thing about living in my country is the huge, coach-like commuter buses that pick up at a parking lot about 3 mi from my house and get me to a block from my work in about 45 min. 45 min that I can sleep, read, whatever else the fark I want to do. Sure its $7 each way, but the farking tolls would cost me that much to drive, to say nothing of gas or parking.
 
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