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2012-11-19 09:13:35 AM  
There are things that make sense from a security standpoint. However yeah it can get excessive a lot.
 
2012-11-19 09:21:27 AM  
War on Drugs
War on Poverty
War on Terror
War on Christmas

War on Class
 
2012-11-19 09:25:39 AM  

SweetSaws: War on Drugs
War on Poverty
War on Terror
War on Christmas
War on Class


New Jersey has been enriching douche-tonium for years. We're all farked.

/wait, you meant a different type of war on class, didn't you?
 
2012-11-19 09:27:17 AM  
Wait a minute...

"There is something about a sense of entitlement and of having great power that skews people's judgment," Gates said last week.

So, you're telling me that it's actually the elite people who have a sense of entitlement to wealth, prestige and power because they're better than us, as opposed to the poors who stupidly think they're entitled to such luxuries as food and shelter?

But that would mean that the GOP has been lying to us!
 
2012-11-19 09:28:49 AM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2012-11-19 09:29:36 AM  
You say that like class warfare is a bad thing.
 
2012-11-19 09:30:56 AM  
This guy's doing pretty well.
i1079.photobucket.com
Interested?
 
2012-11-19 09:31:27 AM  
No problem with that. Military personnel that lay their life on the line and take bullets should earn more money than God. Donald Trump, you're fired.
 
2012-11-19 09:34:25 AM  

that1guy77: No problem with that. Military personnel that lay their life on the line and take bullets should earn more money than God.


The guys getting shot at aren't the ones with palatial estates and private jets.
 
2012-11-19 09:35:03 AM  
"extravagant corporate 1% life"

You sound dorky and Gen-Y-ey.
 
2012-11-19 09:35:07 AM  

Lyonid: SweetSaws: War on Drugs
War on Poverty
War on Terror
War on Christmas
War on Class

New Jersey has been enriching douche-tonium for years. We're all farked.

/wait, you meant a different type of war on class, didn't you?


That's hilarious, hahaha
 
2012-11-19 09:38:54 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: that1guy77: No problem with that. Military personnel that lay their life on the line and take bullets should earn more money than God.

The guys getting shot at aren't the ones with palatial estates and private jets.


That's correct. They have already been shot at.
 
2012-11-19 09:39:56 AM  
It's only class warfare when the poor and middle-class fight back.
 
2012-11-19 09:40:13 AM  

PhiloeBedoe: This guy's doing pretty well.
[i1079.photobucket.com image 348x329]
Interested?


Barnake? He owes me money!
 
2012-11-19 09:44:05 AM  

that1guy77: HotWingConspiracy: that1guy77: No problem with that. Military personnel that lay their life on the line and take bullets should earn more money than God.

The guys getting shot at aren't the ones with palatial estates and private jets.

That's correct. They have already been shot at.


Clarification: Not all are getting that pay, but should. It's also why I just fired Donald Trump. But you selectively cut that tid-bit out.
 
2012-11-19 09:44:24 AM  

HeartBurnKid: It's only class warfare when the poor and middle-class fight back.


That's class genocide. Class warfare is when the poor and middle class recognize they've been getting the shaft. We haven't gotten to the fighting back part.
 
2012-11-19 09:45:30 AM  
If I were a joe on the detail to go rake the leaves on Adm. Mullen's, I'd be pretty pissed off. I did spend most of time in the military pretty pissed off, so that's not much of a barometer. Still, area beautification around your company or battalion, or god forbid division is already awful. I can't imagine having to do it for the chief of staff. I bet they were literally on their hands and knees edging and picking up leaves. Triggers my PTSD just thinking about it.
 
2012-11-19 09:45:58 AM  
My dad was a general and we had our own military doctor that only saw our family.
 
2012-11-19 09:49:24 AM  

Lyonid: SweetSaws: War on Drugs
War on Poverty
War on Terror
War on Christmas
War on Class

New Jersey has been enriching douche-tonium for years. We're all farked.

/wait, you meant a different type of war on class, didn't you?


We have only been doing it in response to douche-arms race being conducted by Staten Island and Philadelphia. We are surrounded on all sides by enemies.

We must now allow a douche gap!

/Life long Jersey resident.
/New Jersey where the weak are killed and eaten.
 
2012-11-19 09:50:42 AM  
Ike would be rolling over in his grave if he saw the lifestyle of today's generals.

Yes, what would Ike know about the lifestyle of military leadership?
 
2012-11-19 09:51:52 AM  

CrackHeadMatt: My dad was a general and we had our own military doctor that only saw our family.


My dad was a Petty Officer. We got a house with a sliding glass door. Now THAT is an awesome benefit.
 
2012-11-19 09:56:45 AM  
Pointing out that wealthy are doing pretty god damn well and in this case, at the direct expense of the tax payer= WORST. CLASS. WARFARE. EVER.

The rich grinding their boot heels on the middle class, social mobility and the American dream= Nothing to see here, move along. Point any of this out and you are worse than 9 Hitlers.
 
2012-11-19 09:57:23 AM  
The difference is you have a right to biatch about government employees. You're paying those bills.
 
2012-11-19 09:58:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: that1guy77: No problem with that. Military personnel that lay their life on the line and take bullets should earn more money than God.

The guys getting shot at aren't the ones with palatial estates and private jets.


You don't start out as a four star general. One of the nice things about the US military is that it is, with all its faults and politics, probably as close to a meritocracy as you will find. The truly incompetent almost never rise to the highest levels.

So yeah, that 4 star with the "palatial estate" (actually owned by US government) and "private jet" (again, owned by US government) probably had to put his ass on the line back when he was a 2LT, 1LT, CPT, or MAJ. At the very least, he (or she) had to jump through all the hoops. It wasn't just handed to them.
 
2012-11-19 10:03:04 AM  

badhatharry: The difference is you have a right to biatch about government employees. You're paying those bills.


You're paying the ones for the CEOs also. In fact, you have more control over that: You can lobby Congress, and maybe they'll listen, depending on where you are in the election cycle. You stop buying the products of Acme Corporation, they stop being able to pay the CEO.
 
2012-11-19 10:03:54 AM  

dittybopper: So yeah, that 4 star with the "palatial estate" (actually owned by US government) and "private jet" (again, owned by US government) probably had to put his ass on the line back when he was a 2LT, 1LT, CPT, or MAJ. At the very least, he (or she) had to jump through all the hoops. It wasn't just handed to them.


There's always someone in these threads decrying all the legacy positions given to brass that haven't ever done anything aside from being born in to a military family and showing up. I'm not sure who to believe.
 
2012-11-19 10:05:24 AM  

dittybopper: The truly incompetent almost never rise to the highest levels.


Maybe not on the commissioned side, but this happens a lot on the enlisted side. I know plenty of E7's who are truly useless.
 
2012-11-19 10:07:12 AM  
Kim Kardashian Kollection.
 
2012-11-19 10:08:29 AM  

badhatharry: The difference is you have a right to biatch about government employees. You're paying those bills.


We as a society allow corporations (and their excesses) to exist, and we allow gross accumulations of wealth to take place. Since we could choose to do away with either or both of these, I'd say we're entitled to complain about them as much as we like--the more the better, in fact, because that's a true representation of public sentiment before Fox-like crowd pacification kicks in.
 
2012-11-19 10:08:42 AM  
if i wore 3 or 4 stars on my shoulders, i'd expect at least 2 19 year old girlfriends. its a perk of the job.
 
2012-11-19 10:09:33 AM  

HeartBurnKid: It's only class warfare when the poor and middle-class fight back.



otherwise, its Good for Business.
 
2012-11-19 10:10:37 AM  

Linux_Yes: if i wore 3 or 4 stars on my shoulders, i'd expect at least 2 19 year old girlfriends. its a perk of the job.


betweenartandlife.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-19 10:11:54 AM  

Mentat: Ike would be rolling over in his grave if he saw the lifestyle of today's generals.

Yes, what would Ike know about the lifestyle of military leadership?


I'm sorry, but there's an unspoken rule in the US: We ignore the words and actions of the man who built a transport infrastructure to last with minor upkeep and also warned us about the military-industrial complex.
 
2012-11-19 10:12:04 AM  

CrackHeadMatt: My dad was a general and we had our own military doctor that only saw our family.



and i bet daddy had a couple of 19 year old girlfriends too. ok, maybe only one. when you have that kind of status, power, the pussy lands in your lap. it would take Jesus himself to refuse those temptations. a man can say no for only so many years....
 
2012-11-19 10:14:01 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Linux_Yes: if i wore 3 or 4 stars on my shoulders, i'd expect at least 2 19 year old girlfriends. its a perk of the job.

[betweenartandlife.files.wordpress.com image 850x574]



a picture is worth a thousand hard ons. well done.
 
2012-11-19 10:23:43 AM  

spcMike: dittybopper: The truly incompetent almost never rise to the highest levels.

Maybe not on the commissioned side, but this happens a lot on the enlisted side. I know plenty of E7's who are truly useless.


Do they end up making E-8 and E-9? In my (relatively limited) experience, generally not. I wouldn't consider SFC to be "the highest levels". That's a mid-level NCO. Maybe upper-mid-level, but no higher.
 
2012-11-19 10:25:47 AM  

that1guy77: HotWingConspiracy: that1guy77: No problem with that. Military personnel that lay their life on the line and take bullets should earn more money than God.

The guys getting shot at aren't the ones with palatial estates and private jets.

That's correct. They have already been shot at.


I'd be interested to know how many of these folks have actually ever been front-line personnel.
 
2012-11-19 11:04:01 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: that1guy77: No problem with that. Military personnel that lay their life on the line and take bullets should earn more money than God.

The guys getting shot at aren't the ones with palatial estates and private jets.


Hell no we aren't in those. We get the stick, the Generals and top ranks get the carrot.
 
2012-11-19 11:24:48 AM  
I don't begrudge a combatant commander his own plane or a couple aides. I have never heard of a string quartet or a choir at gubmint expense for a dinner party for a general.
Really, the armed forces are about as egalitarian as you get: free health care for all, same leave for all, enlisted eat first (at least in the Army). Most importantly, the difference in pay and benefits between the highest O-10 and a lowly E-1 is much smaller than the difference between any big CEO and a new janitor.
 
2012-11-19 11:36:46 AM  

Johnny_Whistle: that1guy77: HotWingConspiracy: that1guy77: No problem with that. Military personnel that lay their life on the line and take bullets should earn more money than God.

The guys getting shot at aren't the ones with palatial estates and private jets.

That's correct. They have already been shot at.

I'd be interested to know how many of these folks have actually ever been front-line personnel.


Generally (heh), it's been pretty much a requirement that you command combat troops in order to get that high, and in fact that's one of the problems that women had in attaining high rank: By law they couldn't be in combat arms specialties, so they got frozen out of much of the top command positions.

Now, there are generals who haven't see combat when they were lower commissioned officers, but that's more a function of when they were in those positions of platoon commander, company XO or CO, etc. The possibility exists, however.
 
2012-11-19 11:47:03 AM  
There was a recent article in my local paper about a kid just back from Afghanistan who committed suicide right in front of his mom and sister. Link They knew that the young man was messed up mentally because of the war and had attempted to get him some help--and all the DOD did was to give him some pills, which was not only a useless band-aid, but probably accelerated his suicide. In the meanwhile we are getting all these recent stories on how the general officers have been expanding their ranks, perks of their position and retirement benefits. They are living like rock stars while the soldiers that they are supposedly "leading" are killing themselves. These soldiers are doing extended tours of duties while a great many of the officers are only doing 90 days tours--to get their wartime duty ticket punched.

It seems obvious to me that the failure of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars has a whole lot to do with this problem. At the end of the Vietnam war, the finest minds of the American military and state department got together and made up a list of rules for future wars--called the Powell doctrine--and that doctrine worked with staggering success in Desert Storm.
But the next generation of high ranking officers are not interested in the success or failure of the American military--they are much more concerned with their own perks and retirements, and all their decisions are based on keeping them. It's why so few generals would stand up to the obviously incompetent Rumsfeld or challenge Cheney's crackpot rules of engagement for Afghanistan during the Bush years. It's why the Afghanistan war was expanded during Obama's first term, even though all the evidence points to the fact that the operation was a complete and utter disaster.

If I were a benevolent dictator in charge of the American military right now, I would have Roman style purge of the general officers ranks. They have failed the nation by delivering two expensive failures. They have failed the troops that they put in harms way while they lived the life of Reilly. They are completely out of control and no "review from within based on honor' is going to fix this.
 
2012-11-19 11:55:55 AM  

SweetSaws: War on Drugs
War on Poverty
War on Terror
War on Christmas

War on Class

 

Whatever happened to fair dealing
And pure ethics
And nice manners?
Why is it everyone now is a pain in the Ass?
Whatever happened to class?
 
2012-11-19 12:29:30 PM  

dittybopper: badhatharry: The difference is you have a right to biatch about government employees. You're paying those bills.

You're paying the ones for the CEOs also. In fact, you have more control over that: You can lobby Congress, and maybe they'll listen, depending on where you are in the election cycle. You stop buying the products of Acme Corporation, they stop being able to pay the CEO.


Yeah all those Bank of America boycotts really showed them who's boss after they collapsed the world economy. And don't forget Chick-Fil-A and Nabisco going under after their stances on gay marriage. Boycotts have historically made CEO heads roll at a really reliable rate. Remember what happened to BP and Halliburton when their negligence covered the Gulf Coast in oil and killed 11 rig workers? I'm glad they've finally been run out of dodge.

Sadly the founders didn't give us much control over our politicians, who are basically dictators.
 
2012-11-19 12:52:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: So yeah, that 4 star with the "palatial estate" (actually owned by US government) and "private jet" (again, owned by US government) probably had to put his ass on the line back when he was a 2LT, 1LT, CPT, or MAJ. At the very least, he (or she) had to jump through all the hoops. It wasn't just handed to them.

There's always someone in these threads decrying all the legacy positions given to brass that haven't ever done anything aside from being born in to a military family and showing up. I'm not sure who to believe.


Dont believe everything people tell you. I'm a third-generation army brat, the son and grandson of career officers who took an active part in every conflict from Pershing's incursion in Mexico through Vietnam. When my father retired as a bird colonel in the late '60s, his "legacy position" was to teach history and government in a public high school for the next decade. He loved it. (He also voted for McGovern, so I'm willing to admit he wasn't typical of the American officer class.)
 
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2012-11-19 01:05:11 PM  
If you point out that the high and mighty, CEO or general, is living it up with extravigent wages while people working their ass off for them can barely make rent then you're guilty of class warfare... got it.

Bullocks.
 
2012-11-19 01:42:31 PM  

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: that1guy77: No problem with that. Military personnel that lay their life on the line and take bullets should earn more money than God.

The guys getting shot at aren't the ones with palatial estates and private jets.

You don't start out as a four star general. One of the nice things about the US military is that it is, with all its faults and politics, probably as close to a meritocracy as you will find. The truly incompetent almost never rise to the highest levels.

So yeah, that 4 star with the "palatial estate" (actually owned by US government) and "private jet" (again, owned by US government) probably had to put his ass on the line back when he was a 2LT, 1LT, CPT, or MAJ. At the very least, he (or she) had to jump through all the hoops. It wasn't just handed to them.


It is pretty rare (though maybe not unheard of) for a general to start out as an enlisted private. Most start out as low-level officers. A rare one might have been a non-com officer who received field promotions. I live in a military town, and there is pretty strict segregation of enlisted versus officers. That's not to say that captains and lieutenants don't see battle. Lots do. But, generally speaking, it's the enlisted guy who's going to take most of the fire.
 
2012-11-19 02:01:51 PM  

dittybopper: So yeah, that 4 star with the "palatial estate" (actually owned by US government) and "private jet" (again, owned by US government) probably had to put his ass on the line back when he was a 2LT, 1LT, CPT, or MAJ. At the very least, he (or she) had to jump through all the hoops.


Who actually owns the jet is unimportant. What matters is who snaps his fingers and has a driver to take him to the jet that is waiting on the tarmac, "just in case".
 
2012-11-19 02:02:36 PM  
I would like to be a General, so I could have people shot if they didn't do what I told them to. We should have corporate Generals.
 
2012-11-19 02:10:00 PM  

topcon: "extravagant corporate 1% life"

You sound dorky and Gen-Y-ey.


Yeah, Gen-X isn't really known for whinging about "being corporate"
 
2012-11-19 02:18:34 PM  
Politicians must get these warpigs off the American teet.
Fark'em.
 
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