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2012-11-19 02:44:51 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Dr Dreidel: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

How prevalent is this? I've noticed it, and at least two people I know thought I was a wizard when I asked them (post-quitting) if they started remembering dreams again. Is this one of those things everybody knows but no one talks about?

Happened to me too


it's the short term memory loss..if you keep a note pad next to your bed and start writing down what your dream was about as soon as you wake up you'll be able to remember more of it..or so I am told..
 
2012-11-19 02:50:11 PM

REO-Weedwagon: If you wanna be a happy stoner, you have to exercise. Actually, if you want to be a happy anything you have to exercise. I'm about to hike this canyon in 10 minutes. Will legally light up my homegrown during the hike since I'm in Colorado. That's right b*tches, biggest toker state in the Union is also the healthiest.

[www.nps.gov image 556x200]


Can we be best friends? I spent a month hiking around the San Juan range and have been dying to get back ever since... I've also spent a few weeks in Crested Butte during the winter. I miss Colorado.
 
2012-11-19 02:51:17 PM

REO-Weedwagon: If you wanna be a happy stoner, you have to exercise. Actually, if you want to be a happy anything you have to exercise. I'm about to hike this canyon in 10 minutes. Will legally light up my homegrown during the hike since I'm in Colorado. That's right b*tches, biggest toker state in the Union is also the healthiest.

[www.nps.gov image 556x200]



Wow. You are stoned
Because Monument Valley is in Utah.
http://www.nps.gov/colm/photosmultimedia/images/monument_valley_556 x200.jpg
 
2012-11-19 02:56:29 PM

TabASlotB: . The morbidity and mortality of cannabis use is probably quite a bit less than alcohol and tobacco


yeah like 100% less for mortality...
 
2012-11-19 03:06:16 PM

dryknife: REO-Weedwagon: If you wanna be a happy stoner, you have to exercise. Actually, if you want to be a happy anything you have to exercise. I'm about to hike this canyon in 10 minutes. Will legally light up my homegrown during the hike since I'm in Colorado. That's right b*tches, biggest toker state in the Union is also the healthiest.

[www.nps.gov image 556x200]


Wow. You are stoned
Because Monument Valley is in Utah.
http://www.nps.gov/colm/photosmultimedia/images/monument_valley_556 x200.jpg


I'm only jumping in because I already commented on the photo... that file name should be Monument Canyon as in Colorado National Monument. Googling a file name can be misleading. Might want to check yourself before calling others out.
 
2012-11-19 03:09:33 PM

jaylectricity: I feel depressed and am not sure what to do with myself.

You were already depressed and you were escaping through drugs.

I used to work part time and would spend the rest of the time getting high and watching TV. Now that I am not getting high, I feel like my husband and I don't relate any more.

Maybe that's because after a year or two of marriage you both tuned each other out and began getting high and watching TV. Now that you're not getting high, you're noticing the deficiencies in your relationship. Again...you already had a problem that you were escaping through drugs.

during the 10 years that I was a pothead, I lost all of my friends because I would rather smoke than hang out with them.

In your times of trouble, instead of leaning on your friends, you turned to drugs.

Any advice would be welcome.

Stop blaming cannabis. You were in need of a life change and instead of doing it through positivity you chose drugs to fix it.


Mostly well-said, but I argue you shouldn't discount the role of cannabis entirely. Of course, it could have been any other drug. But the fact is, without the drug, this person would have had to develop another way to cope. I am completely in favor of legalized weed, and I feel many people can use it safely, but it would be disingenuous to ignore that some people CAN'T use weed, or any other substance, safely. I have learned in my own treatment (for painkillers, which I needed for years after many surgeries) that addiction is a bio-psycho-social illness. 2/3 of it has nothing to do with the drug. But 1/3 does. Therefore, the correct approach is neither to place all blame on the substance NOR to discount the role of the substance entirely. It is all to easy for us liberal pot-advocate types to ignore all dangers of pot because acknowledging them would seem to play into the hands of those who wish, stubbornly, to keep it illegal. The fact is that pot is a drug, and has benefits and risks like any other drug; it is not magically safe just because it is non-lethal and technically non-addictive. Cocaine/crack is not physically addictive either... but who can deny the serious psychological addictive potential of these drugs? So it is with weed. We should acknowledge that weed, like alcohol, is safe for some people and not others; safe in some circumstances and not others; safe in some doses and not others; and so forth. Otherwise we risk sounding just as bad as certain anti-drug PSA's that exaggerate or invent the dangers to a point when they lose all credibility.
 
2012-11-19 03:11:15 PM

Hrist: most beneficial


In what way?

This is kinda important (read, "very important"). Because plenty of people do things they find "most beneficial to them" in superficial ways (it's fun/feels great/etc.) that are severely detrimental in other ways. In fact, after you get done tabulating the positives and negatives, the ultimate movement is often a negative one. Or, as someone far more articulate on the matter than myself put it:

TabASlotB: 2. It is very common for people to "self-medicate" for clinical and sub-clinical psychological disorders using drugs like THC, alcohol, nicotine, and things much harder. This is almost always to the detriment of treating the underlying condition(s) as it merely applies a band-aid to some of the symptoms while creating newer problems, psychologically and medically. If you suspect you are one of these people, you should seek some professional help. You might find that treating the underlying problem actually feels better than the high.

*

*emphasis mine

Hrist: I'm just making statistical predictions.


I don't think you are. Or if you are they're deeply dependent on the assumption that people always have their own biochemistry in mind when they choose recreational drugs. As I parenthetically pointed out earlier, medical professionals (doctors, nurses, and so forth) are often the most prone to prescription drug abuse (again: access). You'd think they of all people would be equipped to know better, but this is apparently (and often) not the case.

Proximity and Availability rule those statistics. But somehow laypeople with no medical expertise whatsoever are going to show better judgement?

It's pure myth, I tell you. Wishful thinking at best, and a pitiful excuse to enable dangerous behavior at worst.
 
2012-11-19 03:14:51 PM

Headso: TabASlotB: . The morbidity and mortality of cannabis use is probably quite a bit less than alcohol and tobacco

yeah like 100% less for mortality...


Only if the only measure of mortality is overdose. But nobody ever dies from a nicotine overdose, either...completely undermining your point.

I cited actual studies above. If you're just going to be disingenuous, I'll find others worth talking to.
 
2012-11-19 03:22:00 PM

TabASlotB: Headso: TabASlotB: . The morbidity and mortality of cannabis use is probably quite a bit less than alcohol and tobacco

yeah like 100% less for mortality...

Only if the only measure of mortality is overdose. But nobody ever dies from a nicotine overdose, either...completely undermining your point.

I cited actual studies above. If you're just going to be disingenuous, I'll find others worth talking to.


http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-14/news/mn-968_1_linda-curry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning
 
2012-11-19 03:23:13 PM

TabASlotB: Headso: TabASlotB: . The morbidity and mortality of cannabis use is probably quite a bit less than alcohol and tobacco

yeah like 100% less for mortality...

Only if the only measure of mortality is overdose. But nobody ever dies from a nicotine overdose, either...completely undermining your point.

I cited actual studies above. If you're just going to be disingenuous, I'll find others worth talking to.


you can find cases of people dying from nicotine overdose, it's actually possible to do so.
 
2012-11-19 03:23:45 PM
Canada's courts found that cannabis use forestalled mortality.
 
2012-11-19 03:26:34 PM

SmellsLikePoo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning

"Historically, most cases of nicotine poisoning have been the result of use of nicotine as an insecticide."

"People who harvest or cultivate tobacco may experience Green Tobacco Sickness (GTS), a type of nicotine poisoning caused by dermal exposure to wet tobacco leaves."


So, near as I can tell, no one has ever died from nicotine poisoning by way of smoking cigarettes. This may factor into the debate you're currently having somehow, I think.
 
2012-11-19 03:28:35 PM

Hrist: dready zim: Dirtybird971: Hey lady? It was pot, let it go. Sobriety is a hell of a drug. And it takes some getting used to.

What's worse than drugs? Having to talk to posers like the "author" of this article. On and on, writing a lot and saying nothing. She asked for advice, not a farking diatribe.

the "church of all of us who've been there" really?? STFU and drink this.

/10 years clean and I still hate ex-addicts. Stupid farking meetings and coffee and "truth" and feelings.
//great now I feel sick.

So much THIS. There are no people holier than thou than ex addicts who wont freakin shut up about it.

I remember being at an after party and these 2 ex heroin users were banging on about how hard it was when they were farking over everyone they knew to get high and how being straight was so hard so I told them about this one time I was peaking on mushrooms and got a phone call to say my father had died from a heart attack and I had to drive to the family home in torrential rain and look at the corpse of my father laid out in the living room whilst all the time tripping on mushrooms.

They stopped banging on about how hard it was stealing from people and getting high.

assholes.

I've got friends who are ex addicts. Having talked to them quite a bit about it in the past, it was a lot harder than you might think. I mean, imagine this.

You wake up and feel like hell. You've woken up and felt like hell every morning for a year now. Imagine (for you and I) waking up after a night of drinking, where you don't quite have a hangover, but you don't feel good either. The kind of 'blah' that isn't going to be solved by an Alka Seltzer and greasy breakfast. But you do know something that can fix it. Even though you're reaching for your kit, you still feel low just for doing so. No matter how you talk about it to your friends, you still feel that it is somehow wrong, but you still do it. But look, your kit is empty. You've used it all. Or maybe someone else used it ...


What does heroin feel like -Reddit. Sorry it's in video form, I couldn't find the original post. I'll add that, yes ex-drug users can be annoyingly sanctimonious, but quitting drugs is the hardest thing ever, harder than the seven surgeries that led to me being on drugs in the first place. Ex-drug users deserve every same shred of respect for besting their addictions that you would bestow upon a cancer survivor. I've managed to beat two illnesses in my life, one a serious physical illness, and one the mental illness of addiction (I still haven't beaten depression/anxiety though): the addiction was far far harder, but guess what, society doesn't feel that way, and while I've often been called a "hero" for beating my physical illness, rarely do I get the same response for the mental illness (outside of 12-step groups, I guess). (By the way, I personally don't consider myself a hero for ether victory, because neither was my choice, and heroism implies choice; I merely did what I had to do. Bottom line: have some compassion for ex-druggies; they had many many chances to take the easy way out, and they did not.

http://www.sickchirpse.com/2012/07/29/heroin-addiction/
 
2012-11-19 03:29:52 PM

blahpers: Elandriel: I used to smoke a lot of pot, recreationally as I don't think I had anything really going wrong with my life. There is a period of depression when you quit, because the chemistry of your brain is altered slightly because of the mood elevation properties of THC. It's not necessarily masking already existing depression, it's simply that you are "used" to feeling that way at a certain time of day (after work in my case), and with that added boost gone the resulting sobriety feels lower and more down than you would otherwise feel. It is noticeable.

It's not necessarily addictive, to the extent that the withdrawal symptoms are weak as compared with a hard drug or even habitual drinking, but there certainly are symptoms that exist when you move from heavy smoking to infrequent or quitting altogether.

This person though, this was covered by jayelectricity.

Seems to me like this isn't much different from feeling a lemonade craving if you got used to having delicious lemonade after a hard day's work in the sun.


You're not very bright, are you?
 
2012-11-19 03:31:57 PM

SmellsLikePoo: TabASlotB: Headso: TabASlotB: . The morbidity and mortality of cannabis use is probably quite a bit less than alcohol and tobacco

yeah like 100% less for mortality...

Only if the only measure of mortality is overdose. But nobody ever dies from a nicotine overdose, either...completely undermining your point.

I cited actual studies above. If you're just going to be disingenuous, I'll find others worth talking to.

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-14/news/mn-968_1_linda-curry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning


Fascinating. Nicotine poisoning for the life insurance payout...what a way to go. Still, my larger point stands: nicotine--as used in recreational form--has resulted in a vanishingly small number of lethal overdoses (to the point that it could be treated as negligible risk). This is similar to cannabis, and in contrast to alcohol. The morbidity and mortality of each of these drugs, however, is not limited to overdose.
 
2012-11-19 03:32:23 PM
What does heroin feel like -Reddit- http://www.sickchirpse.com/2012/07/29/heroin-addiction/

Now in hotlinked form, since people never bother to copy and paste links.
 
2012-11-19 03:43:56 PM

SkunkWerks: So, near as I can tell, no one has ever died from nicotine poisoning by way of smoking cigarettes. This may factor into the debate you're currently having somehow, I think.


Cancer?

TabASlotB: Fascinating. Nicotine poisoning for the life insurance payout...what a way to go. Still, my larger point stands: nicotine--as used in recreational form--has resulted in a vanishingly small number of lethal overdoses (to the point that it could be treated as negligible risk). This is similar to cannabis, and in contrast to alcohol. The morbidity and mortality of each of these drugs, however, is not limited to overdose.


I personally don't have a horse in this race. However I have read some other studies about traffic accidents that points in the opposite direction you are pushing... I don't feel like searching for them now, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that drugs that are considered "downers" (Alcohol, opiates, oxy) are SIGNIFICANTLY linked with fatalities in motor vehicles, while uppers (marijuana, amphetimines, caffeine, nicotine) have overall lower death by accident rates to the point that the numbers could be statistical noise.
 
2012-11-19 04:03:14 PM

doubled99: Why does everyone keep saying "he". It's a woman.


because they're my mom.
who always calls my cats "she" when they are actually neutered male.
 
2012-11-19 04:32:17 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: who always calls my cats "she" when they are actually neutered male.


same thing
 
2012-11-19 04:33:23 PM

SmellsLikePoo: SkunkWerks: So, near as I can tell, no one has ever died from nicotine poisoning by way of smoking cigarettes. This may factor into the debate you're currently having somehow, I think.

Cancer?


Not an overdose, as the word is typically used. An overdose explicitly states that there is a "safe" dose that was exceeded; assuming there is some non-zero "safe" dose for tobacco smoke, it's not really clear when that line would be crossed in a thirty year pack-a-day habit. Certainly tobacco smoke is the ultimate cause of many lung cancer and cardiovascular deaths, but "nicotine poisoning" is a term reserved for acute toxic exposures. Similarly, "alcohol poisoning" is typically used to refer to an acute overdose but not cirrhosis of the liver or a DUI traffic fatality. The terms are fuzzy, so you could argue it, but it'd be semantics...bottom line: an overdose is generally understood to be a primary toxicity, not morbidity/mortality secondary to an exposure.

SmellsLikePoo:I personally don't have a horse in this race. However I have read some other studies about traffic accidents that points in the opposite direction you are pushing... I don't feel like searching for them now, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that drugs that are considered "downers" (Alcohol, opiates, oxy) are SIGNIFICANTLY linked with fatalities in motor vehicles, while uppers (marijuana, amphetimines, caffeine, nicotine) have overall lower death by accident rates to the point that the numbers could be statistical noise.

Marijuana is not generally considered an "upper" in the strictest sense...cannabis intoxication contains elements of stimulant, depressant & hallucinogenic effects, and these effects are going to vary between individuals, strains and dosage consumed. Above I cited a 2012 Lancet review of the available evidence that characterized the findings as showing an effect "across cross-sectional studies, representative population-based, or case-control studies". Here's the PubMed link and a relevant quote:
Cannabis use impairs cognitive and behavioural functions, especially for sustained-attention tasks, so the risk of road-traffic accidents can increase if users drive while intoxicated. Controlled studies have recorded statistically significant deficits in driving performance, but studies under more realistic road conditions report more impairment to a lesser extent. Case-control studies have recorded weak associations between cannabis use and culpability for road-traffic accidents, with higher risks in individuals who use more cannabis.These risks are less than those for alcohol, and fewer drivers use cannabis-the estimated proportion of road-traffic accidents attributable to cannabis in France between 2001 and 2003 was 3% (vs 30% for alcohol). The relative contribution of cannabis use to road-traffic accidents will vary between countries according to the prevalence of cannabis use and access to motor vehicles.
That data aren't unequivocal, but the biological plausibility of increased motor vehicle accident risk is there and the general trend seems to support some moderately increased risk for intoxicated drivers.
 
2012-11-19 04:41:52 PM

scottydoesntknow: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

Last week I decided to not smoke. Started on Monday, and by Thursday I actually remembered my first dream. Too bad it was a farking nightmare that terrified me (stupid ass clowns). Made me regret ever wanting to remember that crap.

/No withdrawal symptoms


One of the reasons I cant stop smoking weed is because I have frequent and highly vivid nightmares when I do. I've spoken with a therapist more than once about it.
 
2012-11-19 05:08:14 PM

Sublime_Influence: scottydoesntknow: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

Last week I decided to not smoke. Started on Monday, and by Thursday I actually remembered my first dream. Too bad it was a farking nightmare that terrified me (stupid ass clowns). Made me regret ever wanting to remember that crap.

/No withdrawal symptoms

One of the reasons I cant stop smoking weed is because I have frequent and highly vivid nightmares when I do. I've spoken with a therapist more than once about it.


Huh, I have you favorited, but no idea why (usually I put a reason for it). You're in green, so I'll assume you said something smart about weed.
 
2012-11-19 05:19:16 PM

Sublime_Influence: scottydoesntknow: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

Last week I decided to not smoke. Started on Monday, and by Thursday I actually remembered my first dream. Too bad it was a farking nightmare that terrified me (stupid ass clowns). Made me regret ever wanting to remember that crap.

/No withdrawal symptoms

One of the reasons I cant stop smoking weed is because I have frequent and highly vivid nightmares when I do. I've spoken with a therapist more than once about it.


Reading things like this makes me want to try to become a daily smoker for a while. I bet there are some good stories that could come out of those nightmares. Or paintings/drawings, if you're the artistic type.

/don't have a reliable enough supply for that though; 1-2 times a week does me fine
 
2012-11-19 05:21:46 PM
Ha, I also have you Favorited in green. No idea why. If it helps, I wandered my college campus collecting signatures for I-502 here in WA.
 
2012-11-19 05:31:06 PM
^^ Whoops the above post I made was for Scotty. Jubeebee, I had nightmares before I ever started smoking weed. Something about having an abusive meth addict stepfather, Oxycontin addicted actual father, and some zealous baptist grandparents.

/To sum it up shortly.
//Therapists have field days with me.
 
2012-11-19 05:35:20 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

You don't remember your dreams when you get stoned? I've never heard of that.


Very rarely. My theory is you just sleep too soundly to come out of things while in REM so don't recall the dreams. I stopped several months ago after ~15 years of daily. I have dreams like crazy now, both good and bad.

Other than the dreams I had no side effects at all when quitting. I haven't really noticed any upside so I can't really recommend it (quitting). Actually I suppose I'm saving money but after 15 years that had pretty much worked itself smoothly into the budget.
 
2012-11-19 05:55:26 PM

Sublime_Influence: Ha, I also have you Favorited in green. No idea why. If it helps, I wandered my college campus collecting signatures for I-502 here in WA.


Haha, awesome.

/Great minds smoke alike
 
2012-11-19 06:02:13 PM
Satanic_Hamster:

Have you ever sucked dick for weed, man?

No but I've let people get me high so I'll let them blow me.
 
2012-11-19 06:04:33 PM
Jument:

She should take up drinking, then.

Taking up drinking is one of the best decisions I ever made. It might be different if I hadn't waited till age 42 to start drinking every evening though.
 
2012-11-19 06:07:23 PM
Cary Tennis,

You are terrible at giving advice. Simply awful. Your self-indulgent rant to ex-pot girl was enough to send her on to try heroin. I pity anyone that seeks out your advice. Please do the right thing and let someone who wants to help people take over the column.

The One True TheDavid: Satanic_Hamster:

Have you ever sucked dick for weed, man?

No but I've let people get me high so I'll let them blow me.


yeah sure right. you would like to believe that.
 
2012-11-19 06:28:45 PM
Easiest vice I ever quit. Not that I was a wake 'n bake/ounce every 2 days-type stoner/loser.

No, really.
 
2012-11-19 06:48:11 PM
Since I don't have a shrink, I'll share the following with you guys/gals.

I smoke weed everyday after work - have been for the past 4 years. In those 4 years, I have gone from making $60K a year to over $250K a year. Not sure if one has anything to do with the other, but all I know is that while I've been smoking my financial well being has taken off. End result: I don't plan on quitting any time soon.

Do I recommend everyone smoke to make more money? Of course not, it's just worked for me.


/On a side note: I now have the most incredible work-related ideas in the middle of the night on evenings that I've smoked.
 
2012-11-19 06:53:58 PM

8 inches: Since I don't have a shrink, I'll share the following with you guys/gals.

I smoke weed everyday after work - have been for the past 4 years. In those 4 years, I have gone from making $60K a year to over $250K a year. Not sure if one has anything to do with the other, but all I know is that while I've been smoking my financial well being has taken off. End result: I don't plan on quitting any time soon.

Do I recommend everyone smoke to make more money? Of course not, it's just worked for me.


/On a side note: I now have the most incredible work-related ideas in the middle of the night on evenings that I've smoked.


while i whole-heartedly endorse the use of greenery, that is correlation, not causation--unless you are in the business of taste-testing kinds for your dispensary and sales have skyrocketed as a result.

but it lends more to causation as an argument for stress and anxiety reduction that leaves you happier and more productive at work. pot is way better than prescription anxiety meds, imo.
 
2012-11-19 07:03:54 PM

olddinosaur: Hogwash.

Marijuana is not physically addictive in the biochemical sense. Extremely heavy users may suffer some irratibility when it is withdrawn, but nothing like the sdymptoms which accompany withdrawal from narcotics, alcohol or niccotine.

What he is saying is, he is an attention whore, and so totally wrapped up in himself that he expects others to take him as seriously as he takes himself.

Fat chance.


Cocaine isn't physically addictive either. That doesn't mean you don't REALLY want it once it's not there.
 
2012-11-19 07:12:38 PM

LL316: olddinosaur: Hogwash.

Marijuana is not physically addictive in the biochemical sense. Extremely heavy users may suffer some irratibility when it is withdrawn, but nothing like the sdymptoms which accompany withdrawal from narcotics, alcohol or niccotine.

What he is saying is, he is an attention whore, and so totally wrapped up in himself that he expects others to take him as seriously as he takes himself.

Fat chance.

Cocaine isn't physically addictive either. That doesn't mean you don't REALLY want it once it's not there.


This.
 
2012-11-19 07:14:51 PM

Gunny Highway: Dragonflew: The My Little Pony Killer: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

You don't remember your dreams when you get stoned? I've never heard of that.

Likely because it's bullshiat.

Is it? There is a lot of evidence in this thread that suggests it isnt bullshiat.


I smoke copious amounts of weed, and I remember my dreams. I am also a lucid dreamer, so maybe I am wired differently, who knows?
 
2012-11-19 07:30:02 PM

TabASlotB: But nobody ever dies from a nicotine overdose, either


No one? Ever?

Link

That's just one example. So I ask you, were you simply ignorant or intentionally lying when you wrote the above?
 
2012-11-19 07:38:58 PM

Dr Dreidel: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

How prevalent is this? I've noticed it, and at least two people I know thought I was a wizard when I asked them (post-quitting) if they started remembering dreams again. Is this one of those things everybody knows but no one talks about?


Last time I quit I started back because of the waking dreams. I hate that I trained myself to be conscious in dreams as a teenager. Can't turn it off now, but when I smoke they don't show up. Maybe I'll quit again just for kicks, but life is going too well right now to mess it up. Smoke all day but have a great job that I love, great wife that I love (she almost never touches the stuff), and, since I'm in Los Angeles, almost zero worry about any sort of criminal ramifications.

Only thing I wish I wasn't doing was "smoking" the stuff, but that's the habit.. as an ex-tobacco smoker I guess I learned a few Freudian truths that I haven't quite shaken just yet.

And yeah, the author of the response probably spends a lot of time at AA meetings...
 
2012-11-19 07:50:08 PM

untaken_name: Uh, what's the problem? Just start smoking again and everything goes back to normal. Duh.


Maybe they live in CO or WA so it's not cool anymore because it's not illegal.
 
2012-11-19 08:25:46 PM
Disassociation is your only hope.
 
2012-11-19 08:30:19 PM
Reading through this thread I'd SWEAR not ONE of you farkers has EVER smoked weed.
 
2012-11-19 08:52:56 PM
I smoked a sheet ton of weed daily for decades. Then I moved to a rural location and could no longer get it. Going cold turkey, after decades, involved about 48 hours of fatigue and irritability. Gee, what an ordeal. Such an addictive drug.
 
2012-11-19 09:08:06 PM
cry me a f*cking river.
 
2012-11-19 09:11:54 PM
Yeah, we're going to see an upswing of these kinds of articles after the Colorado and Washington votes.

Abuse of any kind of recreational drug isn't healthy. However, you don't typically see hardcore pot users knocking over pharmacies for their next fix or committing home invasions to support their habit.

It's still a "gateway drug" right? Not the perfectly legal painkillers like Oxycotin, the downers like Xanax or the kiddie-meth like Adderall right? Those drugs are perfectly non-habit forming and have never lead to dependence or full blown addiction right?

A request to the moron in the article: Try quitting booze or benzodiazepines after a substantial long-term period of abuse. A grand mal seizure or a nasty case of the DT's might change your perspective. Or you'll just swallow your tongue and we won't have to hear your bullshiat anymore.
 
2012-11-19 09:30:24 PM

TabASlotB: Headso: TabASlotB: . The morbidity and mortality of cannabis use is probably quite a bit less than alcohol and tobacco

yeah like 100% less for mortality...

Only if the only measure of mortality is overdose. But nobody ever dies from a nicotine overdose, either...completely undermining your point.

I cited actual studies above. If you're just going to be disingenuous, I'll find others worth talking to.


You're just going to ignore COPD and lung cancer? Okay.
 
2012-11-19 09:45:45 PM
I smoke a lot, and always remember dreams. Lucid dreaming is pretty common for me too.

Some people say they dont dream, or never remember them. Regardless of smoking or not.

I guess my mileage varies.
 
2012-11-19 11:27:12 PM

LoneWolf343: TabASlotB: Headso: TabASlotB: . The morbidity and mortality of cannabis use is probably quite a bit less than alcohol and tobacco

yeah like 100% less for mortality...

Only if the only measure of mortality is overdose. But nobody ever dies from a nicotine overdose, either...completely undermining your point.

I cited actual studies above. If you're just going to be disingenuous, I'll find others worth talking to.

You're just going to ignore COPD and lung cancer? Okay.


As well as ignoring actual deaths from literal nicotine overdoses, it appears that yes, the plan it to ignore those also.
 
2012-11-19 11:41:06 PM
I was a heavy smoker for about 20 years. I am too old to know anyone who sells pot anymore since I lost both of my connections last year. Now pot is a distant memory, and I hate going without it, but I can't be bothered to go out and find another one. If someone showed up with a joint I would smoke the hell out of it, though. I can't say I notice a whole lot of difference between being high all the time and not being high all the time except that I don't have that awful experience of getting high early in the day on the last of a supply and having it wear off leaving me irritable until I get to go to bed. And that I suddenly have a lot of time on my hands, which I've been filling by doing volunteer work. I will say I honestly believe that when they legalize it here that I will not feel compelled to smoke as much since there won't be the same sense of "enjoy this now because you never know when you'll get some more." I mean, I keep alcohol and food in the house without consuming all of it in as short an amount of time as possible.

P.S. The answer to that question in the article sucked. What a windbag that expert is.
 
2012-11-20 12:04:55 AM
On the dream thing, I think pot has the same impact on your short term memory while you're asleep that it does when you're awake. Memories have a harder time forming, so things blur together and dreams don't survive the passage to consciousness as easily.
 
2012-11-20 12:18:46 AM
They noticed weed suppressed dreaming to a great extent back at the dream lab at UIC around the beginning of the eighties. Probably called UICC back then. People on weed just didn't go into deep REM. some dreamt at atypical times, other simply stopped dreaming. I believe all drugs but Fentanyl should be legal for recreational use, but this cannabis suppresses dreams thing has been clinical knowledge for some time.
 
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