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2012-11-19 11:44:11 AM
Depending on your definition of dependence/addiction, you could say it is indeed physically addictive. This is because you can administer cannabinoid recepter antagonists (marijuana is an agonist) and it will instantly put you into 'withdrawal'. This is a far cry from withdrawal from, say, heroin or morphine. But nevertheless it is a very minor physical withdrawal. The reason it is probably so minor is because of how long a half-life these cannabinoids have in the body, meaning it takes a long time for them to exit your body so it's gradual. This physical addiction is not seen with drugs like cocaine, which have no antagonist counterpart and will not put you into physical withdrawals, though the cessation will certainly make one believe they are physically withdrawing.

/just sayin' 
//if you're complaining about cessation from smoking marijuana you just need to stfu, or smoke some more.
 
2012-11-19 11:46:56 AM
Well we are certainly seeing a major uptick on the "Evils of Pot" stories and TV spots since election day.

CNN had a spot, the local Fox affiliate has done "reports"

I guess the anti-pot crowd still has some propaganda to spread and some money to burn.
 
2012-11-19 11:47:50 AM

kindms: Well we are certainly seeing a major uptick on the "Evils of Pot" stories and TV spots since election day.

CNN had a spot, the local Fox affiliate has done "reports"

I guess the anti-pot crowd still has some propaganda to spread and some money to burn.


That federal funding isn't going to spend itself now is it?
 
2012-11-19 11:48:16 AM

Porous Horace: Remembering dreams ... yeah the novelty's all fun at first but then it becomes a nightmare.

/has awful dreams


I suffer from a general lack of melatonin in my brain at times of sleep and often experience night terrors. I often like to smoke on nights when my brain is too "active" before sleep because while my exhausted body may rest no one told my head it's pass out o'clock. When i was much heavier and unhappier i had lots of freak outs at night, and i never remembered them or my dreams in the first place (i remember a few here and there now).

When i started smoking (started at age 22, late bloomer) i discovered that actually helps me relax enough to slip peacefully into a deep REM . This is not always the case for people, sometimes it can make you too "aware" of being in bed and unable to slip to sleep, others go the opposite direction and it makes them more paranoid and unable to truly relax. Weed affects everyone differently - and is not the solution, but i would rather smoke than take a sleeping pill which has put me in 16 hour catatonic sleeps in the past.
 
2012-11-19 11:49:26 AM
After around 10-12 years of smoking chronic, I have lost any and all paranoia that comes from it. I just enjoy being high like anyone else.

The thing is, I actually like being a little high at work now. I have plenty of meetings (and am more vocal when I smoke), lots of paperwork, and have a generally similar job to 90% of the people who sit behind a desk for 8 hours a day. I honestly feel like I get much more done, and at a much more quality level, when I'm a little bit stoned. If I was going to be paranoid about anything, it would be being high at work and not working, and this actually makes me work harder. I don't get so high that my eyes are bloodshot and I can't even move. Just a little bit to make the day go by a little bit better. I even got a promotion the other day, so it's not like it's not working for me....

I really feel like I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think it was true. I'm not an idiot. But I've told this to many of my friends, and none of them have felt the same way at all.

The only thing I can't do at all when I smoke is play sports. Being "fully functional" is better because making split second decisions is more natural, and the half-second delay when I'm high is enough to make me suck at whatever I'm playing.

/Just like alcohol or any other drug, it's different for everyone
 
2012-11-19 11:51:11 AM
When Im bored or depressed I like to can vegetables from my garden
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2012-11-19 11:51:48 AM
"I feel weird"

Thats the feeling of wastng 10 years, ya coont.
 
2012-11-19 11:54:30 AM

SweetMama: The problem with you young people is, you've never gone through menopause, so you don't know the symptoms of estrogen fluctuation. I'm completely serious about this. That weird feeling you feel is your hormones re-adjusting. It can take several months for them level out. Try the progesterone cream. It fixes the problem right away. (women only.)


Thank you! When I'm running low I do feel a little psycho, it's shocking. I just figured I was pmsing or just being irrational like most women are. Will definitely get some. Used to have a 'when in Rome' attitude until someone spiked their bowl with heroin. That was many moons ago, but I still shudder thinking about it. :)
 
2012-11-19 11:55:14 AM

speedycat: I smoked marijuana every day, several times a day, (up to 5 times) from age 17 to 22. One day I decided I was tired of being overweight from binge eating due to munchies and being sedentary. All I would do was smoke, eat a pint of ice cream and play video games. To be honest, it was great. But I can't do that for the rest of my life.

I quit cold turkey back in May of this year. I didn't suffer any adverse effects. Actually, every thing has been positive for me. I ended a bad relationship a girl who continues to smoke, I went from 205lbs to 171lbs and quit my dead end, minimum wage job and enlisted with the Air Force for 6 years. I plan to give them 20. I've been running and lifting every weekday too. But I need to cut this post short, I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.


Can we all please move away from the cliche that pot = munchies = fat bodies ?

If you made all the changes you described and still kept smoking, you would have STILL lost the weight! Magic, i know, right?!

For real, this is the one thing that signals to me that the person talking ISN'T a pothead and doesn't know what they're talking about.

I smoke more than your average pothead and I'm in great shape (half marathon in under 2 hrs this weekend). Not to mention that beyond that my life isn't a warmed-up pile of crap... its pretty spiffy.
 
2012-11-19 11:56:26 AM

jfivealive: Am i the only one that thinks the salon just got trolled by someone bored and stoned?


You mean the original letter writer, or the response, which I think read like a guy really ripped. Read like one of my essays in college when I was ripped to the bejesus belt...

Some people get high and DO things, some get high and do nothing, depends on the person and the weed it seems.
 
2012-11-19 11:56:44 AM
See, when women complain about weird feelings, and people tell them it's all in their head, and nobody takes them seriously, it's totally unfair, because this is a legitimate medical problem with a simple solution. It doesn't help to tell women to just change their attitude and act right. That's totally insensitive!

Estrogen fluctuations make you feel weird. It can make your skin crawl. It affects your energy levels. It affects your thoughts and dreams. It affects a whole bunch of things. Fluctuating hormone levels can make your life miserable.

Long-term marijuana use means your hormones have stabilized at one level, and when you go off the marijuana, it takes a while for things to stabilize again. In between, you have all these crazy fluctuations that can make your life miserable. I'm speaking from personal experience. This is a problem that is easily solved, if you take the right approach.

I think this woman is not getting the help she needs.
 
2012-11-19 11:56:46 AM

SmellsLikePoo: speedycat: I smoked marijuana every day, several times a day, (up to 5 times) from age 17 to 22. One day I decided I was tired of being overweight from binge eating due to munchies and being sedentary. All I would do was smoke, eat a pint of ice cream and play video games. To be honest, it was great. But I can't do that for the rest of my life.

I quit cold turkey back in May of this year. I didn't suffer any adverse effects. Actually, every thing has been positive for me. I ended a bad relationship a girl who continues to smoke, I went from 205lbs to 171lbs and quit my dead end, minimum wage job and enlisted with the Air Force for 6 years. I plan to give them 20. I've been running and lifting every weekday too. But I need to cut this post short, I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

Can we all please move away from the cliche that pot = munchies = fat bodies ?

If you made all the changes you described and still kept smoking, you would have STILL lost the weight! Magic, i know, right?!

For real, this is the one thing that signals to me that the person talking ISN'T a pothead and doesn't know what they're talking about.

I smoke more than your average pothead and I'm in great shape (half marathon in under 2 hrs this weekend). Not to mention that beyond that my life isn't a warmed-up pile of crap... its pretty spiffy.


Also, Colorado is the thinnest state in the nation and we legalized weed.
 
2012-11-19 11:57:33 AM
Dear ex pot smoker,

The real world doesn't care how you feel whether you are high or not. Stop blaming your problems on a drug and deal with it.

Sincerely,
People who still have friends and job because they realize this fact.

/This applies to weed, alcohol, romantic relationships, home repair, operating heavy machinery, and basically living your life.
 
2012-11-19 11:57:35 AM

dready zim: Dirtybird971: Hey lady? It was pot, let it go. Sobriety is a hell of a drug. And it takes some getting used to.

What's worse than drugs? Having to talk to posers like the "author" of this article. On and on, writing a lot and saying nothing. She asked for advice, not a farking diatribe.

the "church of all of us who've been there" really?? STFU and drink this.

/10 years clean and I still hate ex-addicts. Stupid farking meetings and coffee and "truth" and feelings.
//great now I feel sick.

So much THIS. There are no people holier than thou than ex addicts who wont freakin shut up about it.

I remember being at an after party and these 2 ex heroin users were banging on about how hard it was when they were farking over everyone they knew to get high and how being straight was so hard so I told them about this one time I was peaking on mushrooms and got a phone call to say my father had died from a heart attack and I had to drive to the family home in torrential rain and look at the corpse of my father laid out in the living room whilst all the time tripping on mushrooms.

They stopped banging on about how hard it was stealing from people and getting high.

assholes.


I've got friends who are ex addicts. Having talked to them quite a bit about it in the past, it was a lot harder than you might think. I mean, imagine this.

You wake up and feel like hell. You've woken up and felt like hell every morning for a year now. Imagine (for you and I) waking up after a night of drinking, where you don't quite have a hangover, but you don't feel good either. The kind of 'blah' that isn't going to be solved by an Alka Seltzer and greasy breakfast. But you do know something that can fix it. Even though you're reaching for your kit, you still feel low just for doing so. No matter how you talk about it to your friends, you still feel that it is somehow wrong, but you still do it. But look, your kit is empty. You've used it all. Or maybe someone else used it. You've got a few hours before withdrawals start and you feel like absolute hell. No money, no drugs, and you can't even complain about either because no one (except other broke junkies) will have sympathy for you. Even if you went to the ER, they'd probably just turn you away.

The craving is kicking in. It is stronger than anything that most regular people have experienced. You'd walk barefoot through a mile of broken glass and those little legos strewn about a scorching blacktop parking lot for even a third of a hit. This part is the big disconnect. This is what people don't understand when they say, 'well just stop taking it!' To tell someone that is like telling a regular person, 'well just stop eating! no, really, altogether! forever!' as advice for how they can lose weight, and being completely serious about it. Opiates will be put up there along beside other basal drives, like the drive for food, drive for sex, drive for shelter, etc, only it is usually in front of the rest.

So yeah, it is harder than people think to be a junkie. I mean you or I could probably come up with a $20 in fairly short notice in an emergency, but what if you were tasked with coming up with one yourself and just didn't have the funds? You can't borrow it, junkies have no credit. Working for it will take at least a week or two. You could go do odd jobs, but people see your track marks and will turn you away. You don't have a choice. You need that $20. Your options are to rip someone off or to pawn possessions. Pawning possessions will only work for so long...

This is the day to day life of your average junkie. Every day the question is posed again, and every day the world adapts a little more to make it harder for you to get that $20 that you need or you're going to go downhill fast.

I'm not excusing junkie behavior, just telling it like it is. It isn't all just never paying friends back or hawking stolen wares while you live a life of drug-addled luxury in a cozy apartment with running water, heat, air conditioning, and a bed to sleep on. It isn't easy by any means, but it is easier than getting off the horse and onto the wagon.
 
2012-11-19 12:00:05 PM

jaylectricity: You were in need of a life change and instead of doing it through positivity you chose drugs to fix it.


In my experience, most people do.

jaylectricity: Stop blaming cannabis.


Cannabis gets hurt feelings when you speak so.
 
2012-11-19 12:00:27 PM

SmellsLikePoo: I smoke more than your average pothead and I'm in great shape (half marathon in under 2 hrs this weekend). Not to mention that beyond that my life isn't a warmed-up pile of crap... its pretty spiffy.


The difference between escapism and enjoyment. Like the difference between a bar regular who has his fifth before I'm done with dinner and the guy who comes in for a beer with his MNF burger.

// also, everyone reading - go listen to the Jimmie's Chicken Shack song "Strange"
 
2012-11-19 12:01:52 PM

homarjr: The only thing I can't do at all when I smoke is play sports. Being "fully functional" is better because making split second decisions is more natural, and the half-second delay when I'm high is enough to make me suck at whatever I'm playing.

/Just like alcohol or any other drug, it's different for everyone


I was a pitcher in college and had a tradition of smoking before every home game I started. I found a lot easier to get into the "zone" when I was baked, not to mention it was just fun. I could really block everything out and focus on the catcher's glove. It was a fun 4 years. My sophomore year, I also ate 2 hits of acid about an hour before game time. Hardest I ever threw was that day (93mph). Weeeeee!
 
2012-11-19 12:02:03 PM

signaljammer: Taking phone calls while tripping is something I stringently avoid. Though, Ms often give me an aloofness from tragedy.


Twas the case with me, I got a sort of universal `cycle of life` thing going on so it wasn`t so bad. Don`t like answering phones now though.
 
2012-11-19 12:03:58 PM
I was a fairly regular smoker, as were a lot of my co- workers. I think the whole " pot makes you lazy" thing is on over generalization...I would like to smoke before any task which would require large amounts of physical exertion, it seemed to give me a useable nervous energy and quiet the mind a bit allowing me to focus on breathing/moving efficiently....was putting in 10 to 12 hour days at 8000 to 11000 feet, moving 5 plus miles through snow. The slight paranoia also would help make for generally safer calls on route finding.
Now that I've stopped I've gained weight, and gotten a bit lazy......CSB out!
 
2012-11-19 12:04:14 PM

homarjr: After around 10-12 years of smoking chronic, I have lost any and all paranoia that comes from it. I just enjoy being high like anyone else.

The thing is, I actually like being a little high at work now. I have plenty of meetings (and am more vocal when I smoke), lots of paperwork, and have a generally similar job to 90% of the people who sit behind a desk for 8 hours a day. I honestly feel like I get much more done, and at a much more quality level, when I'm a little bit stoned. If I was going to be paranoid about anything, it would be being high at work and not working, and this actually makes me work harder. I don't get so high that my eyes are bloodshot and I can't even move. Just a little bit to make the day go by a little bit better. I even got a promotion the other day, so it's not like it's not working for me....

I really feel like I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think it was true. I'm not an idiot. But I've told this to many of my friends, and none of them have felt the same way at all.

The only thing I can't do at all when I smoke is play sports. Being "fully functional" is better because making split second decisions is more natural, and the half-second delay when I'm high is enough to make me suck at whatever I'm playing.

/Just like alcohol or any other drug, it's different for everyone


This is called self medication. People with ADD/ADHD were much more likely than regular people to be addicted to some kind of stimulant. Namely, caffeine, nicotine, amphetamines, cocaine, etc. They found a lot more benefit than the average person did...in that it helped with their ADD/ADHD. People with depression tend to self medicate with alcohol, benzos (like Xanax), and opiates (like heroin). You sound like you might have some kind of slight anxiety problem....a lot of people with the same kind of problem will self medicate with benzos or pot.

Self medication is all fine and dandy, but you might be able to get the same benefit with a prescribed medication if you ever have to stop smoking for whatever reason. Isn't so much the case when talking about weed, but often times the prescribed medication is a lot safer for you...drinking a couple of energy drinks a day is a lot worse on your body than some Adderall (taken when needed, not three times a day every day for the rest of your life). Anti-depressant pharms are a lot better for people than chronic alcoholism or benzo or opiate addiction.
 
2012-11-19 12:06:11 PM

Happy Hours: ...their life would be peaches and cream (or unicorns and rainbows).


Dude, there are better ways to get your TwiDash fix than pot.

/Or Rarity. I guess.
//Whatever floats your boat
 
2012-11-19 12:06:57 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Which is why marijuana used to be known as Dope


It never was, actually
 
2012-11-19 12:07:22 PM

ficklefkrfark: I was a fairly regular smoker, as were a lot of my co- workers. I think the whole " pot makes you lazy" thing is on over generalization...I would like to smoke before any task which would require large amounts of physical exertion, it seemed to give me a useable nervous energy and quiet the mind a bit allowing me to focus on breathing/moving efficiently....was putting in 10 to 12 hour days at 8000 to 11000 feet, moving 5 plus miles through snow. The slight paranoia also would help make for generally safer calls on route finding.
Now that I've stopped I've gained weight, and gotten a bit lazy......CSB out!


What do you do for a living... are you the avalanche canon guy or something?
 
2012-11-19 12:08:39 PM

joonyer: My sophomore year, I also ate 2 hits of acid about an hour before game time. Hardest I ever threw was that day (93mph). Weeeeee!


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Would be proud if he weren't so focused on why the field keeps changing colors
 
2012-11-19 12:08:57 PM

Dr Dreidel: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

How prevalent is this? I've noticed it, and at least two people I know thought I was a wizard when I asked them (post-quitting) if they started remembering dreams again. Is this one of those things everybody knows but no one talks about?


It happened to me...for about two weeks after I quit my dreams were freaking awesome. I'd close my eyes and start dreaming almost IMMEDIATELY. It made sleeping in so much more fun (than usual).
 
2012-11-19 12:10:32 PM

SmellsLikePoo: speedycat: I smoked marijuana every day, several times a day, (up to 5 times) from age 17 to 22. One day I decided I was tired of being overweight from binge eating due to munchies and being sedentary. All I would do was smoke, eat a pint of ice cream and play video games. To be honest, it was great. But I can't do that for the rest of my life.

I quit cold turkey back in May of this year. I didn't suffer any adverse effects. Actually, every thing has been positive for me. I ended a bad relationship a girl who continues to smoke, I went from 205lbs to 171lbs and quit my dead end, minimum wage job and enlisted with the Air Force for 6 years. I plan to give them 20. I've been running and lifting every weekday too. But I need to cut this post short, I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

Can we all please move away from the cliche that pot = munchies = fat bodies ?

If you made all the changes you described and still kept smoking, you would have STILL lost the weight! Magic, i know, right?!

For real, this is the one thing that signals to me that the person talking ISN'T a pothead and doesn't know what they're talking about.

I smoke more than your average pothead and I'm in great shape (half marathon in under 2 hrs this weekend). Not to mention that beyond that my life isn't a warmed-up pile of crap... its pretty spiffy.


For some people pot = munchies = fat bodies. YMMV
 
2012-11-19 12:10:52 PM

scottydoesntknow: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

Last week I decided to not smoke. Started on Monday, and by Thursday I actually remembered my first dream. Too bad it was a farking nightmare that terrified me (stupid ass clowns). Made me regret ever wanting to remember that crap.

/No withdrawal symptoms


I quit smoking about 4 months ago after smoking heavily for 30+ years and that's the worst part of quitting. I didn't have any withdrawals to speak of but I swear to god I haven't had a decent nights sleep yet because of the dreams. And i mean every damn night. Only a couple of "bad" dreams but it realy doesn't matter when I'm more tired when I wake up than I was when I went to bed. I'm considering going to a doctor to see if he can give me some sleeping pills to help me out. Not sure what else to do really but I'm happy I finally gave up marijuana. And it took my little granddaughter to make me finally stop. I didn't want her growing up and calling her granddad a pothead. I love her too much to let that happen.
 
2012-11-19 12:12:50 PM
jaylectricity:


And we're done here

/Quit smoking about a month ago, simply because the ritual of smoking was becoming more important then the effects.
//Feels just fine. Better if anything.
///Not giving it up, just need to find a better way of moderating myself thereby saving a bunch of money
////was lazy before weed.
 
2012-11-19 12:15:44 PM

Hrist: This is called self medication. People with ADD/ADHD were much more likely than regular people to be addicted to some kind of stimulant. Namely, caffeine, nicotine, amphetamines, cocaine, etc. They found a lot more benefit than the average person did...in that it helped with their ADD/ADHD. People with depression tend to self medicate with alcohol, benzos (like Xanax), and opiates (like heroin). You sound like you might have some kind of slight anxiety problem....a lot of people with the same kind of problem will self medicate with benzos or pot.


Met plenty of ADD people self-medicating with depressants. Went to private school where most kids had either that or some sort of discipline issues. Many self-medicated, but I don't recall it being nearly so... "well-planned".

If there's studies that have been done proving this notion, I'd love to see them. If not, I think this is just wishful thinking.

Hrist: Self medication is all fine and dandy


Not really. In part because-unlike what you just said above- most people aren't doctors (though I've heard that pill-popping is probably most prevalent among medical professionals- largely due to access), often don't have the faintest clue what chemicals do what , what they themselves need, and very often just end up "self-medicating" on whatever tickles them the best.

Fun: still a valid reason for doing drugs, even if you do have some sort of disorder or other chemical deficiency.

Sometimes it might be the "right" choice, and sometimes it might not be. In the latter case, there's my wife's half-brother who has chosen pot as his "self-medication" of preference.

Problem: he very likely suffers from an as-yet-undiagnosed form of schizophrenia, and most medical studies done on this topic will agree that pot smoking exacerbates this particular condition.

I can't say it's done him a lot of good, in any case. Moral of the story being: while doctors are certainly far from perfect, and may not be doing the best things for you at all times, you aren't a doctor either, and they know a hell of a lot more than you. Don't try and be your own doctor.
 
2012-11-19 12:16:05 PM

fluffy2097: jaylectricity:


And we're done here

/Quit smoking about a month ago, simply because the ritual of smoking was becoming more important then the effects.
//Feels just fine. Better if anything.
///Not giving it up, just need to find a better way of moderating myself thereby saving a bunch of money
////was lazy before weed
.


Heh, that was my main reason for not smoking at all last week. Just wanted to reassure myself that I could stop anytime and not worry. And it was kinda nice seeing that extra cash in my account.
 
2012-11-19 12:17:26 PM
I was tripping while babysitting when I was young, mom went to work, I was with this girl in the living room, and honestly don't recall mom saying she was going to work and leaving the kids. Mom was (is) a psychopath who dumped her kids wherever she could. I was unaware that I was babysitting. Mom was probably in a snit I was hangin' with another girl

Younger son emerges from the bedroom sans sangarre. His brother declares that he is choking on an over-large piece of steak. He is looking at me, can't talk, saying with his eyes that he forgives me if he dies.
My fingernails, for some odd reason grow really, really fast and need to be clipped daily. They were longish. "F___ that," I think, and pull the steak out of his throat, probably scratching it in a few places on the way in. He went back to his room, fine then.

I was on, like, 50mg, really in another place. Wow.
 
2012-11-19 12:20:44 PM

Hrist: homarjr: After around 10-12 years of smoking chronic, I have lost any and all paranoia that comes from it. I just enjoy being high like anyone else.

The thing is, I actually like being a little high at work now. I have plenty of meetings (and am more vocal when I smoke), lots of paperwork, and have a generally similar job to 90% of the people who sit behind a desk for 8 hours a day. I honestly feel like I get much more done, and at a much more quality level, when I'm a little bit stoned. If I was going to be paranoid about anything, it would be being high at work and not working, and this actually makes me work harder. I don't get so high that my eyes are bloodshot and I can't even move. Just a little bit to make the day go by a little bit better. I even got a promotion the other day, so it's not like it's not working for me....

I really feel like I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think it was true. I'm not an idiot. But I've told this to many of my friends, and none of them have felt the same way at all.

The only thing I can't do at all when I smoke is play sports. Being "fully functional" is better because making split second decisions is more natural, and the half-second delay when I'm high is enough to make me suck at whatever I'm playing.

/Just like alcohol or any other drug, it's different for everyone

This is called self medication. People with ADD/ADHD were much more likely than regular people to be addicted to some kind of stimulant. Namely, caffeine, nicotine, amphetamines, cocaine, etc. They found a lot more benefit than the average person did...in that it helped with their ADD/ADHD. People with depression tend to self medicate with alcohol, benzos (like Xanax), and opiates (like heroin). You sound like you might have some kind of slight anxiety problem....a lot of people with the same kind of problem will self medicate with benzos or pot.

Self medication is all fine and dandy, but you might be able to get the same benefit with a prescribed medication if you ever have to stop smoking for whatever reason. Isn't so much the case when talking about weed, but often times the prescribed medication is a lot safer for you...drinking a couple of energy drinks a day is a lot worse on your body than some Adderall (taken when needed, not three times a day every day for the rest of your life). Anti-depressant pharms are a lot better for people than chronic alcoholism or benzo or opiate addiction.


My ADHD medicine worked but would irritate my stomach, dehydrate me faster, and make me irritable....a few hits of pot would give similar results without the previously mentioned side effects
 
2012-11-19 12:24:01 PM

wildcardjack: There's a major difference between psychological dependence and physical dependence.


Marijuana causes neurons to dump serotonin; this is a significant part of the high. (SSRI anti-depressants work by preventing serotonin from being taken back into the neurons.)

When you change the chemical balance like that through an external factor, the neurons do their best to adapt to the new environment. Which is to say if you are a heavy smoker and quit cold turkey, your serotonin levels will be screwed up for some time.

This is pretty much the definition of physical dependence.
 
2012-11-19 12:24:39 PM
Hrist
Dirtybird971:



/10 years clean and I still hate ex-addicts.

So much THIS. There are no people holier than thou than ex addicts who wont freakin shut up about it.

I remember being at an after party and these 2 ex heroin users were banging on about how hard it was when they were farking over everyone they knew to get high and how being straight was so hard so I told them about this one time I was peaking on mushrooms and got a phone call to say my father had died from a heart attack and I had to drive to the family home in torrential rain and look at the corpse of my father laid out in the living room whilst all the time tripping on mushrooms.

They stopped banging on about how hard it was stealing from people and getting high.

assholes.

I've got friends who are ex addicts. Having talked to them quite a bit about it in the past, it was a lot harder than you might think. I mean, imagine this.

You wake up and feel like hell. You've woken up and felt like hell every morning for a year now. Imagine (for you and I) waking up after a night of drinking, where you don't quite have a hangover, but you don't feel good either. The kind of 'blah' that isn't going to be solved by an Alka Seltzer and greasy breakfast. But you do know something that can fix it. Even though you're reaching for your kit, you still feel low just for doing so. No matter how you talk about it to your friends, you still feel that it is somehow wrong, but you still do it. But look, your kit is empty. You've used it all. Or maybe someone else used it. You've got a few hours before withdrawals start and you feel like absolute hell. No money, no drugs, and you can't even complain about either because no one (except other broke junkies) will have sympathy for you. Even if you went to the ER, they'd probably just turn you away.

The craving is kicking in. It is stronger than anything that most regular people have experienced. You'd walk barefoot through a mile of broken glass and those little legos strewn about a scorching blacktop parking lot for even a third of a hit. This part is the big disconnect. This is what people don't understand when they say, 'well just stop taking it!' To tell someone that is like telling a regular person, 'well just stop eating! no, really, altogether! forever!' as advice for how they can lose weight, and being completely serious about it. Opiates will be put up there along beside other basal drives, like the drive for food, drive for sex, drive for shelter, etc, only it is usually in front of the rest.

So yeah, it is harder than people think to be a junkie. I mean you or I could probably come up with a $20 in fairly short notice in an emergency, but what if you were tasked with coming up with one yourself and just didn't have the funds? You can't borrow it, junkies have no credit. Working for it will take at least a week or two. You could go do odd jobs, but people see your track marks and will turn you away. You don't have a choice. You need that $20. Your options are to rip someone off or to pawn possessions. Pawning possessions will only work for so long...

This is the day to day life of your average junkie. Every day the question is posed again, and every day the world adapts a little more to make it harder for you to get that $20 that you need or you're going to go downhill fast.

I'm not excusing junkie behavior, just telling it like it is. It isn't all just never paying friends back or hawking stolen wares while you live a life of drug-addled luxury in a cozy apartment with running water, heat, air conditioning, and a bed to sleep on. It isn't easy by any means, but it is easier than getting off the horse and onto the wagon.


I don't have to imagine it. I lived it for nearly a decade. And it's still just an excuse. nearly everyday during that time I KNEW IT WAS ME DOING IT TO MYSELF. I'm not saying it wasn't tough, most people don't live through it, but EVERYDAY there was a moment of clarity when I said, "you know you don't have to do this" but i did anyway. I was forsaking all other things to the point of losing 45 lbs, being homeless for 2 years and living in a bathroom of a gas station. I still had a job waitering, so I didn't have to resort to crime or prostitution, but it wasn't easy. However, I choose to continue and everyone has a choice. Had i been there when they started to whine I'd say the same to them. Like my mom used to say "you made your bed, now lie in it."
 
2012-11-19 12:27:08 PM

SmellsLikePoo: ficklefkrfark: I was a fairly regular smoker, as were a lot of my co- workers. I think the whole " pot makes you lazy" thing is on over generalization...I would like to smoke before any task which would require large amounts of physical exertion, it seemed to give me a useable nervous energy and quiet the mind a bit allowing me to focus on breathing/moving efficiently....was putting in 10 to 12 hour days at 8000 to 11000 feet, moving 5 plus miles through snow. The slight paranoia also would help make for generally safer calls on route finding.
Now that I've stopped I've gained weight, and gotten a bit lazy......CSB out!

What do you do for a living... are you the avalanche canon guy or something?


Mt operations/patrol...opened the mountain in the mornings...skied it and all the side country all day....lots of hike to terrain, traverses, and moving things around (snow, equipment, people)
 
2012-11-19 12:28:09 PM
I smoked every day up to 5 or 6 times a day from age 19-24. When it came time to advance my career I spent an enormous amount of time researching companies that did not drug test. I found this quite silly so I decided to finally quit. I was pretty irritable the first three or four days but that went away. The hardest part is thinking in your mind you are supposed to feel a certain way at certain times of a day. I don't think my body did not feel any sort of physical cravings.

So yeah, refer to Boobies. Thread ended there.

/With things trending towards legalizing will I smoke again?
//Probably
///Wonders how legalization in certain states is going to impact drug testing. If you test positive for THC will "I smoked in Colorado." fly an excuse?
 
2012-11-19 12:28:18 PM
Im sure Fark will be completely unbiased with it's large age16-24 male pot smoker demographic.
 
2012-11-19 12:28:35 PM


Hrist


dready zim: Dirtybird971:

I've got friends who are ex addicts. Having talked to them quite a bit about it in the past, it was a lot harder than you might think. I mean, imagine this.

You wake up and feel like hell. You've woken up and felt like hell every morning for a year now. Imagine (for you and I) waking up after a night of drinking, where you don't quite have a hangover, but you don't feel good either. The kind of 'blah' that isn't going to be solved by an Alka Seltzer and greasy breakfast. But you do know something that can fix it. Even though you're reaching for your kit, you still feel low just for doing so. No matter how you talk about it to your friends, you still feel that it is somehow wrong, but you still do it. But look, your kit is empty. You've used it all. Or maybe someone else used it. You've got a few hours before withdrawals start and you feel like absolute hell. No money, no drugs, and you can't even complain about either because no one (except other broke junkies) will have sympathy for you. Even if you went to the ER, they'd probably just turn you away.

The craving is kicking in. It is stronger than anything that most regular people have experienced. You'd walk barefoot through a mile of broken glass and those little legos strewn about a scorching blacktop parking lot for even a third of a hit. This part is the big disconnect. This is what people don't understand when they say, 'well just stop taking it!' To tell someone that is like telling a regular person, 'well just stop eating! no, really, altogether! forever!' as advice for how they can lose weight, and being completely serious about it. Opiates will be put up there along beside other basal drives, like the drive for food, drive for sex, drive for shelter, etc, only it is usually in front of the rest.

So yeah, it is harder than people think to be a junkie. I mean you or I could probably come up with a $20 in fairly short notice in an emergency, but what if you were tasked with coming up with one yourself and just didn't have the funds? You can't borrow it, junkies have no credit. Working for it will take at least a week or two. You could go do odd jobs, but people see your track marks and will turn you away. You don't have a choice. You need that $20. Your options are to rip someone off or to pawn possessions. Pawning possessions will only work for so long...

This is the day to day life of your average junkie. Every day the question is posed again, and every day the world adapts a little more to make it harder for you to get that $20 that you need or you're going to go downhill fast.

I'm not excusing junkie behavior, just telling it like it is. It isn't all just never paying friends back or hawking stolen wares while you live a life of drug-addled luxury in a cozy apartment with running water, heat, air conditioning, and a bed to sleep on. It isn't easy by any means, but it is easier than getting off the horse and onto the wagon.



I don't have to imagine it. I lived it for nearly a decade. And it's still just an excuse. nearly everyday during that time I KNEW IT WAS ME DOING IT TO MYSELF. I'm not saying it wasn't tough, most people don't live through it, but EVERYDAY there was a moment of clarity when I said, "you know you don't have to do this" but i did anyway. I was forsaking all other things to the point of losing 45 lbs, being homeless for 2 years and living in a bathroom of a gas station. And that doesn't happen overnight. I still had a job waitering, so I didn't have to resort to crime or prostitution, but it wasn't easy. However, I chose to continue and everyone has a choice. Had i been there when they started to whine I'd say the same to them. Like my mom used to say "you made your bed, now lie in it."
 
2012-11-19 12:31:12 PM
Hey, thanks for reminding me to call my contact, Subby! It's almost the Holiday!
 
2012-11-19 12:31:43 PM

SkunkWerks: Hrist: This is called self medication. People with ADD/ADHD were much more likely than regular people to be addicted to some kind of stimulant. Namely, caffeine, nicotine, amphetamines, cocaine, etc. They found a lot more benefit than the average person did...in that it helped with their ADD/ADHD. People with depression tend to self medicate with alcohol, benzos (like Xanax), and opiates (like heroin). You sound like you might have some kind of slight anxiety problem....a lot of people with the same kind of problem will self medicate with benzos or pot.

Met plenty of ADD people self-medicating with depressants. Went to private school where most kids had either that or some sort of discipline issues. Many self-medicated, but I don't recall it being nearly so... "well-planned".

If there's studies that have been done proving this notion, I'd love to see them. If not, I think this is just wishful thinking.

Hrist: Self medication is all fine and dandy

Not really. In part because-unlike what you just said above- most people aren't doctors (though I've heard that pill-popping is probably most prevalent among medical professionals- largely due to access), often don't have the faintest clue what chemicals do what , what they themselves need, and very often just end up "self-medicating" on whatever tickles them the best.

Fun: still a valid reason for doing drugs, even if you do have some sort of disorder or other chemical deficiency.

Sometimes it might be the "right" choice, and sometimes it might not be. In the latter case, there's my wife's half-brother who has chosen pot as his "self-medication" of preference.

Problem: he very likely suffers from an as-yet-undiagnosed form of schizophrenia, and most medical studies done on this topic will agree that pot smoking exacerbates this particular condition.

I can't say it's done him a lot of good, in any case. Moral of the story being: while doctors are certainly far from perfect, and may not be doing the best thing ...


Well, the reason I mention these things is because those drugs have some kind of benefit for sufferers of various conditions than they do other people. Like you can totally say opiates are fun for about everyone that do them recreationally, but to someone that is in pain for some reason anyway (perhaps they've sprained their ankle or have a kidney stone) then the opiate goes above and beyond the typical recreational effects. Stimulants help treat ADD/ADHD symptoms and make you better able to focus, depressed people like being not depressed (euphoria), and anxious people like to be able to chill the fark out once in a while.

If you looked at a whole population as to what recreational drugs they prefer, you might get some distribution. We'll call it Distribution A. Then you look at a population made entirely of ADD/ADHD types, Distribution B, and the percentage of people in B that prefer stimulants is probably greater than the percentage of people in Distribution A, and so on and so on. Even if people aren't intrinsically aware that they're doing it, a drug that helps their condition is going to be more represented than it was in Distribution A. It isn't really a formal thing in most cases. Sometimes it is, but usually it is just trial and error.
 
2012-11-19 12:32:07 PM

Elandriel: I used to smoke a lot of pot, recreationally as I don't think I had anything really going wrong with my life. There is a period of depression when you quit, because the chemistry of your brain is altered slightly because of the mood elevation properties of THC. It's not necessarily masking already existing depression, it's simply that you are "used" to feeling that way at a certain time of day (after work in my case), and with that added boost gone the resulting sobriety feels lower and more down than you would otherwise feel. It is noticeable.

It's not necessarily addictive, to the extent that the withdrawal symptoms are weak as compared with a hard drug or even habitual drinking, but there certainly are symptoms that exist when you move from heavy smoking to infrequent or quitting altogether.

This person though, this was covered by jayelectricity.


Seems to me like this isn't much different from feeling a lemonade craving if you got used to having delicious lemonade after a hard day's work in the sun.
 
2012-11-19 12:33:19 PM
I am going to put progesterone cream into all of the hot cocoa sampler boxes I give my potted up employees this year for their xmas bonus.
 
2012-11-19 12:35:48 PM
i.ytimg.com

/took this long?
 
2012-11-19 12:36:40 PM

SuperDuper28: Im sure Fark will be completely unbiased with it's large age16-24 male pot smoker penised high-IQ studmuffin demographic.

 
2012-11-19 12:37:36 PM
how i'm the bewbs with this i'll never know

i.ytimg.com

know where it goes
 
2012-11-19 12:38:22 PM

Grobbley: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

/took this long?


*shakes tiny late fist*
 
2012-11-19 12:38:30 PM

Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool


Does cannabis inhibit dream recollection?
 
2012-11-19 12:38:54 PM

Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool


You don't remember your dreams when you get stoned? I've never heard of that.
 
2012-11-19 12:40:28 PM

Dirtybird971: What's worse than drugs? Having to talk to posers like the "author" of this article. On and on, writing a lot and saying nothing. She asked for advice, not a farking diatribe.


Thank you. I felt like the "answer" was pretty much just repeating back everything the author was complaining about, and no, I do not want to click to see more.
 
2012-11-19 12:43:57 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Gunny Highway: I bet he remembers his dreams now which is cool

You don't remember your dreams when you get stoned? I've never heard of that.


Yes you have, you just don't remember.
 
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