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(Entertainment Weekly)   Robert Kirkman talks about last night's episode of The Walking Dead, and what we can expect from Glenn and Maggie (warning: spoilers)   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 61
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2012-11-19 11:39:08 AM  
4 votes:

Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.


She brought a basket full of baby formula with her to the prison.
2012-11-19 10:09:07 AM  
4 votes:
Great episode. But don't think I can stomach the next one. We'll see.

And Michonne following the zombies to the prison after masking her human smell was an excellent resolution to what could've been a glaring plothole.
2012-11-19 02:44:08 PM  
3 votes:

Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.


Michonne already knows she can trust Rick and the gang simply because they don't trust Merle. That's why she had the basket with the formula. It's like a peace offering.
2012-11-19 01:52:03 PM  
3 votes:

Funbags: Humans may not have a great olfactory sense, but we can smell very strong odors, such as rotting, decaying flesh and viscera.


And yet Walkers have been able to sneak up on living humans on multiple occasions. Seems to me that by now, the aura of stench around them would be quite profound and far reaching

There was a guy who used to work at my current company who bathed in cologne. You could be sitting 40 feet from the entrance to the break room and as soon as he walked in the door, everybody knew he was there.

Now imagine that instead of whatever cologne he used, it was rotting / decaying flesh. No walkers are gonna sneak up on me unless it's the middle of allergy season.
2012-11-19 05:50:52 PM  
2 votes:

NeoCortex42: Big Beef Burrito: The Banana Thug: My thoughts:

1) I'm disturbed by how seamlessly they replaced T-Dog with that black prisoner. He's even doing that loitering-in-background-saying-nothing thing too. It's taking that "token black guy" to a level of ridiculousness.

What? Oscar is a totally different character. This black guy is bald. He digs holes. He opens and closes gates. He stands in the back of the group. He has few lines.

Aw, Hell....he's O-Dog now.

Well, when you put it like that: He's a ditch-digger and doorman who rides the back of the bus. I guess post-apocalypse Georgia isn't exactly progressive, is it.


Stolen from an earlier thread:

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2012-11-19 04:40:10 PM  
2 votes:

FinFangFark: let's not forget the really odd sequence with Jim's twins, and what happened. But that really didn't bother me as the moments you've mentioned...I kinda felt that was a justified story based on all the trauma the kids are going through.


Allen and Donna's twins, not Jim. Jim's whole family died in Atlanta.

The Banana Thug: Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd.


Agree on 100, but I totally bought 104. **SPOILERS**: Carl's actions are totally in line with a 9-year-old kid, even one growing up in a zombie apocalypse. They don't think through the consequences of his actions. Carl was pissed at his dad, and thought he could be the hero. Kids do this all the time... they don't think the consequences, and have fantasies of how much they will be praised after the fact (even when it's ridiculous). Carl may be a badass now, but we forget he's still a kid, and kids do stupid things.
2012-11-19 03:37:00 PM  
2 votes:
Seems like there are a lot of commercial breaks.

One week there was 38 mins of show and 22 mins of commercials.
2012-11-19 02:01:17 PM  
2 votes:

BizarreMan: And yet Walkers have been able to sneak up on living humans on multiple occasions. Seems to me that by now, the aura of stench around them would be quite profound and far reaching

There was a guy who used to work at my current company who bathed in cologne. You could be sitting 40 feet from the entrance to the break room and as soon as he walked in the door, everybody knew he was there.

Now imagine that instead of whatever cologne he used, it was rotting / decaying flesh. No walkers are gonna sneak up on me unless it's the middle of allergy season.


But, if everybody is wearing said guy's cologne, won't it become an omnipresent scent, and therefore be more difficult to pick out or discern in a wide open area with any semblance of wind? I would imagine that the scent of decaying flesh is rather prevalent if every dead person is up and moving, decaying all the while.
2012-11-19 01:51:37 PM  
2 votes:

kumanoki: The Banana Thug: that bosnian sniper: Though, apparently reading more into it, apparently Morgan was on a leaked, or released as part of PR, call sheet for season 3 (it was the same one that revealed Axel's and New T-Dog's names). So, it looks like he might be coming back earlier than I'd figured.

Hope so! That actor is great. Love his character on Jericho. I just hope he'll be more badass (a la Jericho) and less broken than he was in the comic version.I've like the actor ever since I saw him in Snatch. His southern accent was really good, too. Morgan was such a tortured character, and I'd like to see that revisited briefly if they return to his story arc.


Agreed. That scene from season 1, where Morgan was holed up in his house and his zombified wife sauntered up to his front door and tried to turn the doorknob, and Morgan looked through the peephole into his wife's dead eyes... Absolutely sent chill up my spine. So well done. The show needs to do more of these quietly terrifying scenes.
2012-11-19 01:09:27 PM  
2 votes:

The Banana Thug: Everyone's already infected, and zombie blood won't affect you but a seemingly non-lethal zombie bite does. It will be interesting to see how Kirkman will reconcile these facts in the end, particularly why everyone's already infected. That's the greatest mystery of the series.


...the article that's linked actually goes into that, in Kirkman's own words. You know, if the ambient discussion on the topic every time it comes up isn't enough.

Zombies' mouths and nails are toxic, poisonous, pathogen-laden death-holes. Hell, a skin-breaking bite from a human that practices decent oral hygiene is laden with bacteria and virii enough to cause a potentially-lethal case of sepsis without medical attention. How much more toxic do you think a zombie's mouth would be? Secondary infection is what kills you.
2012-11-19 01:04:55 PM  
2 votes:

PsyLord: Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.

I can see her and Daryl as being the ultimate bad-ass zombie hunter group.


Daryl will find out how much of a badass she is, and get the hots for her. This will make Carol mad, and we will have three episodes of Carol pouting about it. Daryl and M will hook up, just before he reunites with Merle, who as we know is a virulent racist. This will lead to three more episodes of Daryl and Merle fighting over her.

Done.
2012-11-19 12:51:03 PM  
2 votes:

The Banana Thug: Great episode. But don't think I can stomach the next one. We'll see.

And Michonne following the zombies to the prison after masking her human smell was an excellent resolution to what could've been a glaring plothole.


To me, that in itself is a plothole. We humans don't really have a great sense of smell to begin with when compared to other members of the animal kingdom. And these zombies are constantly decaying. Why would a decaying zombie have a great sense of smell? Seems like they wouldn't be smell anything other than their own stench.

I liked the way Shawn of the Dead handled it better. Just shamble around everywhere and don't speak, because zombies are stupid creatures.
2012-11-19 12:43:29 PM  
2 votes:
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I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.
2012-11-19 12:37:03 PM  
2 votes:
I'm a bit sad that Rick has returned to normal so quickly. It seems like they could have played the phone thing out longer, had him conserving with the other people on the line for a scene or two for a few episodes...

They've played this season out really well so far. Character development isn't being ignored, and we still have action and plot to spare.
2012-11-19 11:40:22 AM  
2 votes:
I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.
2012-11-19 11:28:05 AM  
2 votes:

kumanoki: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".

Sorry, there wasn't anything about a 'red zone' in the comic regarding Woodbury. So I'm just as interested as you are. However, it now makes much more sense that the scouts from Woodbury haven't been in the direction of the prison if it is in this 'red zone' of which Merle spoke.


I just figured it was areas where there were a lot of biters...
2012-11-19 10:38:10 AM  
2 votes:
Are we still pretending that this is a good show?
2012-11-19 11:26:34 PM  
1 votes:

born_yesterday: KellyX: pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?

One zombie attracts another zombie, they walk, they attract another, they walk together, eventually you got large groups of them, then a gun shot goes off, they all start heading to that sound, meet up, form a bigger group, keep walking towards the sound, meet more zombies, they keep following each other as they shift and move towards loud sounds, until you got 10's of thousands of them...

I'd love to see a character arc of someone that sought/fought to set up a broadcast system in a city. I know, the power grid would have to be written in as to why it functioned, or use batteries, or have it be a large conglomerate of humans. But to see someone set up a semi-permanent sound source, to attract walkers for many miles would be cool. And then they fly away from the epicenter using a hang-glider...Anyways, a boy can dream [at least it ain't a rape fantasy]


The great thing about TWD is that it's a sandbox universe that could be shared by other groups of survivors for different spin-offs and mediums. They're already doing this with the Walking Dead video game and "The Rise of the Governor" book. I'd definitely love to see that idea, like a TV movie or something.
2012-11-19 10:05:30 PM  
1 votes:

KellyX: pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?

One zombie attracts another zombie, they walk, they attract another, they walk together, eventually you got large groups of them, then a gun shot goes off, they all start heading to that sound, meet up, form a bigger group, keep walking towards the sound, meet more zombies, they keep following each other as they shift and move towards loud sounds, until you got 10's of thousands of them...


I'd love to see a character arc of someone that sought/fought to set up a broadcast system in a city. I know, the power grid would have to be written in as to why it functioned, or use batteries, or have it be a large conglomerate of humans. But to see someone set up a semi-permanent sound source, to attract walkers for many miles would be cool. And then they fly away from the epicenter using a hang-glider...Anyways, a boy can dream [at least it ain't a rape fantasy]
xcv
2012-11-19 09:02:16 PM  
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: that bosnian sniper: Yeah, that's "the herd" I'm talking about. Which I think is what they're foreshadowing and alluding to, between the season 2 finale showing how herds originate, all the talk about being surrounded and boxed in by herds, and now this 'red zone' talk. What that says to me, between the lines, is that "the herd" is building up, and when the shiat finally hits the fan between Woodbury and the survivors, it's going to cause Woodbury and the prison both to end up overrun.

Now that you've connected the dots for me, I'm inclined to agree with you. It's a good way to close out season 3 and set up season 4's main storyline.

that bosnian sniper: Also, what does everyone figure the over/under is on Milton being the TV show's "Eugene"?

**SPOILER**

Highly doubt it! Eugene showed up with Abraham together. There was actually a doctor from the comic's Woodbury that is similar to Milton. There's no way that Milton could pull double duty, character-wise. If season 4 is about getting to Alexandria, you have to remember that *someone* had to talk the group into going there, and that was Abraham and Eugene. Using Milton would preclude that.


Except Milton has the Governor believing in his 'experiments' that require huge amounts of power, probably parallels SPOILERS Eugene's BSing to everybody about being a government scientist on a crucial mission.
xcv
2012-11-19 08:59:13 PM  
1 votes:

pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?


pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?


It's explained well in the comic. They're completely decentralized groups with no leaders obviously. One zombie detects stimuli and pursues it, neighboring zombies notice that zombie moving and they react in a similar manner, the effect snowballs until huge herds exist that stretch out for days the way the plains buffalo once did. The original stimuli no longer matters, the movement of the herd itself is what draws in more followers.
2012-11-19 08:58:59 PM  
1 votes:
I agree that I would enjoy michonne getting naked. but only for the necessity of the plot and artistic goodness and all. yes yes yes

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2012-11-19 08:56:10 PM  
1 votes:

Funbags: MayoSlather: Funbags: Walkers obviously have some degree of brain function, and since living things do not smell like themselves, its not unreasonable that they have learned to use their sense of smell to help distinguish targets.

It's pretty unreasonable. So many issues there with decaying flesh that would inhibit the olfactory sense. You really have to put absurd factor of rotting corpses that have the ability to walk and react out of mind during any zombie film to suspend disbelief.

As someone raised in a city, during every trip to a relative's farm, or to a state fair's animal barn, I can't help but wonder how anyone can put up with living around the stench of manure all day. As it turns out, when exposed to it for long enough, you don't even notice it. I used to smoke cigarettes, and the smell never bothered me. Having quit many years ago I can instantly tell if the driver of a passing car is a smoker.

Noticing something that smells entirely different from the norm is not only reasonable, its to be expected. The question is: does it smell like death and rotting everywhere, and that's why the group is so easily surprised when a walker sneaks up on them?


That was the point I was trying to make, too. I think it WOULD smell like decaying flesh just about everywhere. At least for a while. If only 10% of the population survived, you're still talking about billions of people rotting, not buried, many of them mobile.

Yes, it smells like death everywhere, and it will for a long time.

Also, it's not that walkers track by smell... I think they track by sound more than anything else, but if the source of the sound smells like them, they ignore it. If it doesn't, and it turns out to be alive, they bite it.

The main problem with zombie stories is that there's absolutely no logical reason why a walking corpse would make eating its priority, or why biting the living would be an instinct they couldn't resist.

But then, as I keep saying, zombies now are what vampires were in old folklore (rotting undead people who rise from the grave craving blood and flesh), and vampires now are actually updates of the succubus/incubus. Zombies used to be mindless slaves (Voodoo zombies) that weren't actually dead, but near-dead and brainwashed. Between Stoker, Romero, and Rice, the lore got all twisted around.
2012-11-19 08:29:10 PM  
1 votes:

BizarreMan: Funbags: Humans may not have a great olfactory sense, but we can smell very strong odors, such as rotting, decaying flesh and viscera.

And yet Walkers have been able to sneak up on living humans on multiple occasions. Seems to me that by now, the aura of stench around them would be quite profound and far reaching

There was a guy who used to work at my current company who bathed in cologne. You could be sitting 40 feet from the entrance to the break room and as soon as he walked in the door, everybody knew he was there.

Now imagine that instead of whatever cologne he used, it was rotting / decaying flesh. No walkers are gonna sneak up on me unless it's the middle of allergy season.


You've never lived near a farm, have you?

When you visit a farm with cows, for example, you will be offended by the smell of cow shiat. It's ever-present. It's impossible to ignore it when you've just been introduced to it. It's nasty.

After being IN it for a while, though, you may notice that doesn't bug you anymore.

After a while, you don't even notice it. When someone mentions the awful smell to you, you shrug and say, "I guess I got used to it a long time ago."

The same thing applies to corpse smell. Suddenly being exposed to it? It's awful. Living with it day in and day out? You get used to it. It's a background smell and you can't discern the smell of one rotting corpse from another. You certainly can't tell when one's close, because the whole world smells like this now. BILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE ROTTING. There's no place you could go in the populated parts of the world that wouldn't smell of death.

So no, you're not going to smell Mr. Zombie as he walks up behind you. He's blending in with the smells you've been breathing in for the past year, and you don't even notice it anymore.
2012-11-19 07:27:23 PM  
1 votes:

MayoSlather: Funbags: Walkers obviously have some degree of brain function, and since living things do not smell like themselves, its not unreasonable that they have learned to use their sense of smell to help distinguish targets.

It's pretty unreasonable. So many issues there with decaying flesh that would inhibit the olfactory sense. You really have to put absurd factor of rotting corpses that have the ability to walk and react out of mind during any zombie film to suspend disbelief.


As someone raised in a city, during every trip to a relative's farm, or to a state fair's animal barn, I can't help but wonder how anyone can put up with living around the stench of manure all day. As it turns out, when exposed to it for long enough, you don't even notice it. I used to smoke cigarettes, and the smell never bothered me. Having quit many years ago I can instantly tell if the driver of a passing car is a smoker.

Noticing something that smells entirely different from the norm is not only reasonable, its to be expected. The question is: does it smell like death and rotting everywhere, and that's why the group is so easily surprised when a walker sneaks up on them?
2012-11-19 07:23:01 PM  
1 votes:

MayoSlather: Funbags: Walkers obviously have some degree of brain function, and since living things do not smell like themselves, its not unreasonable that they have learned to use their sense of smell to help distinguish targets.

It's pretty unreasonable. So many issues there with decaying flesh that would inhibit the olfactory sense. You really have to put absurd factor of rotting corpses that have the ability to walk and react out of mind during any zombie film to suspend disbelief.


Why is that unreasonable? The little girl zombie in season 1 picked up her teddy bear. Morgan's wife clearly remembered something about that house, and kept trying to get in to her family. If zombies can have rudimentary memories (memories of memories, really), why can't they have a functioning olfactory sense? Besides, i think the show has pretty clearly demonstrated that this is the case, between Rick and Glen's zombie walk of camouflage and last week's similar even with Michonne.
2012-11-19 06:57:56 PM  
1 votes:

Funbags: Walkers obviously have some degree of brain function, and since living things do not smell like themselves, its not unreasonable that they have learned to use their sense of smell to help distinguish targets.


It's pretty unreasonable. So many issues there with decaying flesh that would inhibit the olfactory sense. You really have to put absurd factor of rotting corpses that have the ability to walk and react out of mind during any zombie film to suspend disbelief.
2012-11-19 05:54:10 PM  
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: Highly doubt it! Eugene showed up with Abraham together. There was actually a doctor from the comic's Woodbury that is similar to Milton. There's no way that Milton could pull double duty, character-wise. If season 4 is about getting to Alexandria, you have to remember that *someone* had to talk the group into going there, and that was Abraham and Eugene. Using Milton would preclude that.


Well, I think Milton can either man up a bit, or show he had balls the entire time but was being stepped on by the Governor and Merle. His character has room for growth, if he's going to stay in the series longer than the Woodbury arc. How Abraham and Rosita, and the fourth guy, fit in I'm not exactly sure unless they're found along the way or are Woodbury survivors who'd heard about the Alexandria safe zone but got sucked into Woodbury along the way.
2012-11-19 05:41:12 PM  
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: Highly doubt it! Eugene showed up with Abraham together. There was actually a doctor from the comic's Woodbury that is similar to Milton. There's no way that Milton could pull double duty, character-wise. If season 4 is about getting to Alexandria, you have to remember that *someone* had to talk the group into going there, and that was Abraham and Eugene. Using Milton would preclude that.


I'm really hoping we actually get Abraham in the show. He was a great addition to the group in the comic. It's bad enough that we never really got a Tyrese character thus far.

Now that Carl is in proper asskicking mode, my only real character gripe is Andrea. Not only is she not the badass sniper she should be, her scenes with the Governor are really dragging down the episodes.
2012-11-19 05:40:16 PM  
1 votes:
Here's my prediction: they shake things up a bit and Glenn is the one who gets raped, not Maggie.


PsyLord: So where is the scrawny white prisoner? He appears kinda harmless, but I suspect that he's really dangerous. The way he gut stabbed the zombie during the 2nd episode gave me that impression.


That's Axel. He was working on fixing the generator, iirc.
2012-11-19 04:24:44 PM  
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

I don't think the TV show needs to end with tying up loose ends. My ideal way for the show to end is one of two ways:
1) Over the course of the next few seasons, Rick's group goes through the cycle of finding a possible safe haven only to have it overrun two times after the prison. The finale has everybody currently in the group, except Rick and Carl, killed off. The show then shows Rick and Carl walking down a desolate road together into the sunset, only to repeat the cycle all over again. Fade to black.

2) Carl dies in one of the last few episodes, followed by Rick in the finale. The show ends with Rick coming back as a walker and wondering around.

The show should end emphasizing the point that there are not always answers and the only sure thing is that you're never really safe in the zombie apocalypse.


So...the Stephen King ending?
2012-11-19 04:21:50 PM  
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


I don't think the TV show needs to end with tying up loose ends. My ideal way for the show to end is one of two ways:
1) Over the course of the next few seasons, Rick's group goes through the cycle of finding a possible safe haven only to have it overrun two times after the prison. The finale has everybody currently in the group, except Rick and Carl, killed off. The show then shows Rick and Carl walking down a desolate road together into the sunset, only to repeat the cycle all over again. Fade to black.

2) Carl dies in one of the last few episodes, followed by Rick in the finale. The show ends with Rick coming back as a walker and wondering around.

The show should end emphasizing the point that there are not always answers and the only sure thing is that you're never really safe in the zombie apocalypse.
2012-11-19 04:15:18 PM  
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


#100 pissed me off to no end. I remember there were rumors that #100 would have the ultimate shocker of Rick being the one who died...and the previous issue covers let you to believe it could be Andrea.

I bet like having the Gov cutting off Rick's arm, Kirkman will regret what he did in #100.
2012-11-19 04:05:49 PM  
1 votes:

Soulcatcher: kumanoki: Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.

It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.

Hey! I love that movie, and he is one of the reasons why.

Some women like sensitive guys.

=]


Can we settle for a happy medium between Andrew Lincoln's character in Love, Actually and Rawhead Rex from the other thread?
2012-11-19 03:36:34 PM  
1 votes:

EyeballKid: Big Beef Burrito: slippers

You know what slippers are great for? Making less noise when walking.
Why would you concern yourself with making less noise? Who would you not want hearing you? Walkers? Sure. Anybody else?


The writers, if you're the black guy of the moment
2012-11-19 03:21:08 PM  
1 votes:

FinFangFark: Two-dog's character in the comic isn't as nice as he plays out to be. Also, there is talk of Tyrese also debuting on the show. With those two, and Morgan, that's an awful lot of black guys on the show...Merle might die of an aneurysm from the shock of seeing all the color in that group.

Yes, I'm kidding.

I think Merle will have a redemptive moment. He will show up to see Daryl, and will be pushed away b/c he's still the same guy. Then the Govorner will show up at the prison, and it will be Merle that saves them all, killing the Gov and dying in the process.

Also the Rollie Fingers prison was very sick in the comic. Very.


I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.
2012-11-19 02:23:15 PM  
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: Agreed. That scene from season 1, where Morgan was holed up in his house and his zombified wife sauntered up to his front door and tried to turn the doorknob, and Morgan looked through the peephole into his wife's dead eyes... Absolutely sent chill up my spine. So well done. The show needs to do more of these quietly terrifying scenes.


Oh, I know! I think what made Season 1 so good was the emptiness. there was a stark emptiness to the scenes that conveyed that sense that everyone was gone, everyone had fled or turned. It was a powerful scene when Rick finds Morgan and his son because it's his first contact with anyone alive..and to be greeted in such a way, to be handled at arms reach until they were sure, to squat in a neighbors house with the windows boarded and dead loved ones out in the street...it was shocking and powerful- this was going to be life post-coma for Rick. And Morgan's sadness and grief and anger would play out over and over and over again for Rick in everything he did from that point forward. That was powerful. I think that's why so many poeple want to see Morgan again.

But I don't know if we can go back to those quiet scenes, you know? The cat is out of the bag. People are forming groups, groups are forming societies, and the zombie threat is understood, at least in a rudimentary way. Rick isn't going to say something for the fallen undead anymore. He's moved way beyond that, to the point that the half-zombie in the park seems like a quaint scene now.
2012-11-19 02:22:57 PM  
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: kumanoki: The Banana Thug: that bosnian sniper: Though, apparently reading more into it, apparently Morgan was on a leaked, or released as part of PR, call sheet for season 3 (it was the same one that revealed Axel's and New T-Dog's names). So, it looks like he might be coming back earlier than I'd figured.

Hope so! That actor is great. Love his character on Jericho. I just hope he'll be more badass (a la Jericho) and less broken than he was in the comic version.I've like the actor ever since I saw him in Snatch. His southern accent was really good, too. Morgan was such a tortured character, and I'd like to see that revisited briefly if they return to his story arc.

Agreed. That scene from season 1, where Morgan was holed up in his house and his zombified wife sauntered up to his front door and tried to turn the doorknob, and Morgan looked through the peephole into his wife's dead eyes... Absolutely sent chill up my spine. So well done. The show needs to do more of these quietly terrifying scenes.


That was actually Rick. Morgan was busy keeping his very distraught son quiet. Maybe you're thinking of him viewing her through the scope of the rifle?
2012-11-19 02:19:02 PM  
1 votes:

KellyX: I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.


Hearing his native British accent is hilarious as well.
2012-11-19 02:04:40 PM  
1 votes:
So...really...what is the deal with not calling them zombies in the show? I think I'd rather call them the undead, or ghouls or something besides walkers and biters.
2012-11-19 02:04:24 PM  
1 votes:

EyeballKid: BizarreMan: And yet Walkers have been able to sneak up on living humans on multiple occasions. Seems to me that by now, the aura of stench around them would be quite profound and far reaching

There was a guy who used to work at my current company who bathed in cologne. You could be sitting 40 feet from the entrance to the break room and as soon as he walked in the door, everybody knew he was there.

Now imagine that instead of whatever cologne he used, it was rotting / decaying flesh. No walkers are gonna sneak up on me unless it's the middle of allergy season.

But, if everybody is wearing said guy's cologne, won't it become an omnipresent scent, and therefore be more difficult to pick out or discern in a wide open area with any semblance of wind? I would imagine that the scent of decaying flesh is rather prevalent if every dead person is up and moving, decaying all the while.


There has been a few comments that make me think that the walkers might not stink that bad when still "alive". One that pops to mind was after clearing one of the cell blocks. Someone said that (para) "We need to clear these bodies out before they start stinking"
2012-11-19 01:51:29 PM  
1 votes:
What I got from the "red zone" was that Merle and his gang had just fired off a bunch of gunshots, which would attract nearby walkers. If they stood around too long, walkers would be at their location, so Merle was wanting to move and get out of the "red zone/ danger zone."
2012-11-19 01:16:29 PM  
1 votes:

Craptastic: The Banana Thug: Great episode. But don't think I can stomach the next one. We'll see.

And Michonne following the zombies to the prison after masking her human smell was an excellent resolution to what could've been a glaring plothole.

To me, that in itself is a plothole. We humans don't really have a great sense of smell to begin with when compared to other members of the animal kingdom. And these zombies are constantly decaying. Why would a decaying zombie have a great sense of smell? Seems like they wouldn't be smell anything other than their own stench.

I liked the way Shawn of the Dead handled it better. Just shamble around everywhere and don't speak, because zombies are stupid creatures.


Plot hole, that phrase I do think it means what you think it means.
2012-11-19 01:01:42 PM  
1 votes:

Craptastic: The Banana Thug: Great episode. But don't think I can stomach the next one. We'll see.

And Michonne following the zombies to the prison after masking her human smell was an excellent resolution to what could've been a glaring plothole.

To me, that in itself is a plothole. We humans don't really have a great sense of smell to begin with when compared to other members of the animal kingdom. And these zombies are constantly decaying. Why would a decaying zombie have a great sense of smell? Seems like they wouldn't be smell anything other than their own stench.

I liked the way Shawn of the Dead handled it better. Just shamble around everywhere and don't speak, because zombies are stupid creatures.


I don't think those zombies shambled to the prison because they could smell the humans in Rick's group. I think they were just following other, earlier zombies, who were initially attracted to the prison because of all the noises there. That's how a horde is formed, and this was explained well in the comics but can't remember if this was sufficiently addressed in the show.

I think each zombie show/movie is allowed an artistic license in setting up their own parameters for what a zombie can and cannot do. TWD's take has been the most unusual so far. Everyone's already infected, and zombie blood won't affect you but a seemingly non-lethal zombie bite does. It will be interesting to see how Kirkman will reconcile these facts in the end, particularly why everyone's already infected. That's the greatest mystery of the series.
2012-11-19 01:00:57 PM  
1 votes:
I didn't see any spoilers about Glenn and Maggie in the article.

So I will just post this instead.

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2012-11-19 12:44:53 PM  
1 votes:

Big Beef Burrito: The Banana Thug: My thoughts:

1) I'm disturbed by how seamlessly they replaced T-Dog with that black prisoner. He's even doing that loitering-in-background-saying-nothing thing too. It's taking that "token black guy" to a level of ridiculousness.


What? Oscar is a totally different character. This black guy is bald. He digs holes. He opens and closes gates. He stands in the back of the group. He has few lines.

Aw, Hell....he's O-Dog now.


Well, when you put it like that: He's a ditch-digger and doorman who rides the back of the bus. I guess post-apocalypse Georgia isn't exactly progressive, is it.
2012-11-19 12:40:32 PM  
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: My thoughts:

1) I'm disturbed by how seamlessly they replaced T-Dog with that black prisoner. He's even doing that loitering-in-background-saying-nothing thing too. It's taking that "token black guy" to a level of ridiculousness.



What? Oscar is a totally different character. This black guy is bald. He digs holes. He opens and closes gates. He stands in the back of the group. He has few lines.

Aw, Hell....he's O-Dog now.
2012-11-19 12:39:33 PM  
1 votes:

Hebalo: I'm a bit sad that Rick has returned to normal so quickly. It seems like they could have played the phone thing out longer, had him conserving with the other people on the line for a scene or two for a few episodes...

They've played this season out really well so far. Character development isn't being ignored, and we still have action and plot to spare.


Was it just me or did that change happen when the Lori voice said the baby was theirs? I believe right after was when the reception started going out, as to say Rick was getting with it.
2012-11-19 12:36:25 PM  
1 votes:

PsyLord: So where is the scrawny white prisoner? He appears kinda harmless, but I suspect that he's really dangerous. The way he gut stabbed the zombie during the 2nd episode gave me that impression.


They said he was in the genarator room doing something to get it running.
2012-11-19 12:34:43 PM  
1 votes:

Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".



The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.
2012-11-19 12:30:30 PM  
1 votes:

kumanoki: FunkOut: They later find him romancing the slippers in a cell when he thinks he's alone. He tearfully reveals he was in prison as a sex offender for humping a pair of ladies Nikes in front of a Sonic Drive-In while drunk and high.

And yet, with a gun pointed at him point blank, he said he wasn't going to beg for his life. Hm.


Never mess with a shoe farker. They're hardcore.
2012-11-19 12:00:22 PM  
1 votes:

Big Beef Burrito: The new black guy likes slippers.


While the new white guy likes a wall of heads.
2012-11-19 11:45:40 AM  
1 votes:

kumanoki: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".

Sorry, there wasn't anything about a 'red zone' in the comic regarding Woodbury. So I'm just as interested as you are. However, it now makes much more sense that the scouts from Woodbury haven't been in the direction of the prison if it is in this 'red zone' of which Merle spoke.


If I had to guess, the fact that Rick and the gang was running around dodging huge packs of zombies for 6-9 months or whatever the time table was they gave, and mentioned before the prison was found, that they were cut off on all sides.

I'm assuming based on that, that they are in the middle of this "red zone", and that's just a reference to a danger zone that's infested with zombies.

Also as he said, comic said nothing about it.
2012-11-19 11:36:59 AM  
1 votes:
It looks like the governor is getting head in more ways than one now.
2012-11-19 11:25:24 AM  
1 votes:

Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


Sorry, there wasn't anything about a 'red zone' in the comic regarding Woodbury. So I'm just as interested as you are. However, it now makes much more sense that the scouts from Woodbury haven't been in the direction of the prison if it is in this 'red zone' of which Merle spoke.
2012-11-19 11:12:58 AM  
1 votes:
I hope she makes Merle and the Gov'na into jawless armless zombie mules.
2012-11-19 11:11:23 AM  
1 votes:

buntz: I love the show, don't get me wrong, but the past few weeks have been 15 minutes of something and 45 minutes of Andrea and the Governor talking.

Last season it was 45 minutes of lots of different people talking.

This season? Long, drawn out conversations with the creepy uncle and the sorority girl

(Andrea's character change from last season to this is right up there with Janet going from smart to stupid on Three's Company!)


Agreed, to a certain extent. I get the impression that Andrea is a writer favorite. I also get the impression that the writers are just using her as a foil this season for the Governor. I think they're going back to a pre-farm Andrea personality...kind of a quarry Andrea, since things are reverting back to normalcy, we're seeing that reflected in her personality. However, the flirting over four episodes is pretty gag-worthy. I just think the writers gave her the 'soft reset' so she'd be able to revert back to tough Andrea by the end of the season, should circumstances warrant.

I do wonder how much saw the actors have in the development of the characters.
2012-11-19 11:07:48 AM  
1 votes:
Its going to be a tricky situation. Mearle wants his brother back, Daryl is loyal to the group now. The Governor would just do the same to all of them as he did to the Guardsmen. The next few look like they will be getting even better. This season has been a good turn around.
2012-11-19 11:01:31 AM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.


I can see her and Daryl as being the ultimate bad-ass zombie hunter group.
2012-11-19 10:55:38 AM  
1 votes:
I love the show, don't get me wrong, but the past few weeks have been 15 minutes of something and 45 minutes of Andrea and the Governor talking.

Last season it was 45 minutes of lots of different people talking.

This season? Long, drawn out conversations with the creepy uncle and the sorority girl

(Andrea's character change from last season to this is right up there with Janet going from smart to stupid on Three's Company!)
2012-11-19 10:31:59 AM  
1 votes:
That was Evil Glenn that Michonne ran through, wasn't it?
He caught some of Merle's bullets in the back as well.

I dunno about Tyresse...he was aight in the comic...not one of my favorite characters...
Didn't see half the reason he beefed with Rick so much...

And, by the way...TV Rick is way more awesome than comic book Rick.
 
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