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2012-11-19 02:37:38 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I didn't see any spoilers about Glenn and Maggie in the article.

So I will just post this instead.

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Well I thank you for that. You sir, are a patriot!
 
2012-11-19 02:42:38 PM  

peter21: The Banana Thug: KellyX: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x327]

I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.

*****SPOILER ALERT*****


In the comics, they do come across the character again, when Rick visits his hometown on an errand and checks on Morgan. If the show follows suit, I'd guess it would happen around the beginning of season 5? Season 4 is possible, seeing how much ground they've covered already this season.

I may be way off, but I could have sworn during a season preview clip they showed a reunion of Rick and Morgan. Or maybe I completely made that up in my head. Damn, the phone is ringing now...


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2012-11-19 02:43:22 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: That was actually Rick. Morgan was busy keeping his very distraught son quiet. Maybe you're thinking of him viewing her through the scope of the rifle?


Crap. Think you're right.

kumanoki: I think what made Season 1 so good was the emptiness. there was a stark emptiness to the scenes that conveyed that sense that everyone was gone, everyone had fled or turned. It was a powerful scene when Rick finds Morgan and his son because it's his first contact with anyone alive..and to be greeted in such a way, to be handled at arms reach until they were sure, to squat in a neighbors house with the windows boarded and dead loved ones out in the street...it was shocking and powerful- this was going to be life post-coma for Rick. And Morgan's sadness and grief and anger would play out over and over and over again for Rick in everything he did from that point forward. That was powerful. I think that's why so many poeple want to see Morgan again.

But I don't know if we can go back to those quiet scenes, you know? The cat is out of the bag. People are forming groups, groups are forming societies, and the zombie threat is understood, at least in a rudimentary way. Rick isn't going to say something for the fallen undead anymore. He's moved way beyond that, to the point that the half-zombie in the park seems like a quaint scene now.


Good points, all well said. It seems like all zombie encounters are now LOUD and SUDDEN, but I could really go for those quiet "is anyone there" scenes, like you're a kid hiding in bed and you see a mysterious shadow move somewhere. Less is sometimes more. Right now, it's full-on gorefest, which I definitely don't mind. But maybe some contrasting balance, some "Paranormal Activities" moments and some "Hostel" moments, which season 1 did well.
 
2012-11-19 02:44:08 PM  

Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.


Michonne already knows she can trust Rick and the gang simply because they don't trust Merle. That's why she had the basket with the formula. It's like a peace offering.
 
2012-11-19 02:46:48 PM  

EyeballKid: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: EyeballKid: Did anybody else listen to Rick's dialogue in this episode and think that maybe this season Rick yells the signature line? (No, not "Shut the fark up, Lori.")

"..."?

It's from the comic book. I'm trying not to ruin for anybody who may not have read it yet.


That scene might have been the low point in the comic book. I almost stopped reading right there. "Why yes, Captain Obvious, we all knew that.". Fortunately, things got better.
 
2012-11-19 02:50:56 PM  
If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.
 
2012-11-19 02:56:47 PM  

Cletus C.: If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.


And Andreas, and her sisters, and loris, and the chick on the wall with the bow...
 
2012-11-19 02:57:57 PM  

AntonChigger: Cletus C.: If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.

And Andreas, and her sisters, and loris, and the chick on the wall with the bow...


Ugh... probably means they're not shaving anything at this point either...
 
2012-11-19 03:00:08 PM  

KellyX: Ugh... probably means they're not shaving anything at this point either...


slowly pan up...a pair of legs sticking out from under a dirty sheet...you think they are daryl's but they are actually carol's...
 
2012-11-19 03:02:47 PM  

EyeballKid: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: EyeballKid: Did anybody else listen to Rick's dialogue in this episode and think that maybe this season Rick yells the signature line? (No, not "Shut the fark up, Lori.")

"..."?

It's from the comic book. I'm trying not to ruin for anybody who may not have read it yet.


I wasn't trying to draw you out to say it, just when I hear "signature line" it makes me think of Robert Kirkman's overuse of ellipses in the comics. Seriously, I've really enjoyed his writing but "..." is not a statement. A panel of someone's blank stare is a lot more effective than a speech balloon of "..." i know he isn't the first to use it in a comic but it only got worse reading Rise of the Governor and seeing "'...' said Philip"

As for this quote, if you mean what I think you mean I hope you're wrong for all our sake.
 
2012-11-19 03:05:28 PM  

Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.


So there's no stopping in a red zone?
 
2012-11-19 03:06:15 PM  

KellyX: AntonChigger: Cletus C.: If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.

And Andreas, and her sisters, and loris, and the chick on the wall with the bow...

Ugh... probably means they're not shaving anything at this point either...


Hey if Tdog and 2dog can still shave their heads after all this time why are the women precluded from owning razors?
 
2012-11-19 03:07:07 PM  
Two-dog's character in the comic isn't as nice as he plays out to be. Also, there is talk of Tyrese also debuting on the show. With those two, and Morgan, that's an awful lot of black guys on the show...Merle might die of an aneurysm from the shock of seeing all the color in that group.

Yes, I'm kidding.

I think Merle will have a redemptive moment. He will show up to see Daryl, and will be pushed away b/c he's still the same guy. Then the Govorner will show up at the prison, and it will be Merle that saves them all, killing the Gov and dying in the process.

Also the Rollie Fingers prison was very sick in the comic. Very.
 
2012-11-19 03:07:26 PM  

The Banana Thug: Mike Chewbacca: That was actually Rick. Morgan was busy keeping his very distraught son quiet. Maybe you're thinking of him viewing her through the scope of the rifle?

Crap. Think you're right.kumanoki: I think what made Season 1 so good was the emptiness. there was a stark emptiness to the scenes that conveyed that sense that everyone was gone, everyone had fled or turned. It was a powerful scene when Rick finds Morgan and his son because it's his first contact with anyone alive..and to be greeted in such a way, to be handled at arms reach until they were sure, to squat in a neighbors house with the windows boarded and dead loved ones out in the street...it was shocking and powerful- this was going to be life post-coma for Rick. And Morgan's sadness and grief and anger would play out over and over and over again for Rick in everything he did from that point forward. That was powerful. I think that's why so many poeple want to see Morgan again.

But I don't know if we can go back to those quiet scenes, you know? The cat is out of the bag. People are forming groups, groups are forming societies, and the zombie threat is understood, at least in a rudimentary way. Rick isn't going to say something for the fallen undead anymore. He's moved way beyond that, to the point that the half-zombie in the park seems like a quaint scene now.

Good points, all well said. It seems like all zombie encounters are now LOUD and SUDDEN, but I could really go for those quiet "is anyone there" scenes, like you're a kid hiding in bed and you see a mysterious shadow move somewhere. Less is sometimes more. Right now, it's full-on gorefest, which I definitely don't mind. But maybe some contrasting balance, some "Paranormal Activities" moments and some "Hostel" moments, which season 1 did well.


There was a bit of that in the daycare building. That was probably due in part to the fact that if they had found anything gory in that particular setting, it would have been really farked up. The best option would have been zombie toddlers. They could have easily found zombie daycare workers feasting on babies.
 
2012-11-19 03:08:50 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?


The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.
 
2012-11-19 03:12:11 PM  

Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.


This is because I made you get a zombie abortion, isn't it?
 
2012-11-19 03:13:11 PM  

The Banana Thug: that bosnian sniper: Hebalo: Well, good point. I'll be happy if they do continue it. It was a great conceit from the comic books, and it would be a really effective way to see Rick's mental state, struggle etc. Might have been more effective if they had drawn out the possibility that it was someone real on the other end for a while.

I get the feeling it'll be a recurring, but not typical, thing. I suspect they'll leave it for times of extreme stress for Rick, as a coping mechanism. I doubt it'll be a "once per episode" thing, maybe more like once or twice a season.

Now, spoiler stuff.

The Banana Thug: In the comics, they do come across the character again, when Rick visits his hometown on an errand and checks on Morgan. If the show follows suit, I'd guess it would happen around the beginning of season 5? Season 4 is possible, seeing how much ground they've covered already this season.

Considering the way they diverge and come back to the comics' story line, I suspect after the Woodbury conflict is over the entire group will head north for some reason...maybe to get away from the herd. When Rick and Carl head to Kentucky in the comics, the herd becomes a pretty major plot point for a while. The show's creators have already foreshadowed it, showed it at one point (the end of season 2) and alluded to it throughout season 3 thus far.

I can't see the group not being on their way to the Alexandria safe zone by the end of season 4, so I'd tag Morgan's return in early season 4 personally. Which, as a corollary, means New T-Dog's life span is six, maybe eight, more episodes.

Is it horde or herd? The reference to a "red zone" last night definitely got my attention, so you might be right. If season 4 consists entirely of the group constantly on the run from a menacing and unrelenting zombie horde (think Terminator 1 or 2), that would be pure awesome. No prison, no Woodbury, no farm - just constantly on the run to stay a step ahead.


You heard of zombees, right? Well a herd of em is chasin' me.
 
2012-11-19 03:13:14 PM  

Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.


Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!
 
2012-11-19 03:21:08 PM  

FinFangFark: Two-dog's character in the comic isn't as nice as he plays out to be. Also, there is talk of Tyrese also debuting on the show. With those two, and Morgan, that's an awful lot of black guys on the show...Merle might die of an aneurysm from the shock of seeing all the color in that group.

Yes, I'm kidding.

I think Merle will have a redemptive moment. He will show up to see Daryl, and will be pushed away b/c he's still the same guy. Then the Govorner will show up at the prison, and it will be Merle that saves them all, killing the Gov and dying in the process.

Also the Rollie Fingers prison was very sick in the comic. Very.


I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.
 
2012-11-19 03:23:28 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: FinFangFark: Two-dog's character in the comic isn't as nice as he plays out to be. Also, there is talk of Tyrese also debuting on the show. With those two, and Morgan, that's an awful lot of black guys on the show...Merle might die of an aneurysm from the shock of seeing all the color in that group.

Yes, I'm kidding.

I think Merle will have a redemptive moment. He will show up to see Daryl, and will be pushed away b/c he's still the same guy. Then the Govorner will show up at the prison, and it will be Merle that saves them all, killing the Gov and dying in the process.

Also the Rollie Fingers prison was very sick in the comic. Very.

I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.


I meant their character equivalents. I couldn't remember their counterpart's names, and was too lazy to look up. And there was a theory that T-Dawg was a modified version of Tyrese.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:17 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: slippers


You know what slippers are great for? Making less noise when walking.
Why would you concern yourself with making less noise? Who would you not want hearing you? Walkers? Sure. Anybody else?
 
2012-11-19 03:35:31 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.

Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!


Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again.
 
2012-11-19 03:36:25 PM  

kumanoki: Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.

It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.


Hey! I love that movie, and he is one of the reasons why.

Some women like sensitive guys.

=]
 
2012-11-19 03:36:34 PM  

EyeballKid: Big Beef Burrito: slippers

You know what slippers are great for? Making less noise when walking.
Why would you concern yourself with making less noise? Who would you not want hearing you? Walkers? Sure. Anybody else?


The writers, if you're the black guy of the moment
 
2012-11-19 03:36:55 PM  

PsyLord: Nononono....don't kill off the only Asian dude on the show (evil Glenn doesn't count). Plus hope nothing happens to Maggie.


Glenn is PROBABLY going to be okay. I think they need to keep him around until they eventually get around to the group meeting up with Negan.
 
2012-11-19 03:37:00 PM  
Seems like there are a lot of commercial breaks.

One week there was 38 mins of show and 22 mins of commercials.
 
2012-11-19 03:40:18 PM  

clapdrix: Galileo's Daughter: Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.

Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!

Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again.


Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
 
2012-11-19 03:42:51 PM  

EyeballKid: Big Beef Burrito: slippers

You know what slippers are great for? Making less noise when walking.
Why would you concern yourself with making less noise? Who would you not want hearing you? Walkers? Sure. Anybody else?


Fffffarm ... girls?
 
2012-11-19 03:43:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: PsyLord: Nononono....don't kill off the only Asian dude on the show (evil Glenn doesn't count). Plus hope nothing happens to Maggie.

Glenn is PROBABLY going to be okay. I think they need to keep him around until they eventually get around to the group meeting up with Negan.


Not looking forward to that...
 
2012-11-19 03:44:46 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.


If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.
 
2012-11-19 03:46:52 PM  
For some reason, when I watched the episode last night I took the "red zone" as a football metaphor for Merle's chase of Michonne. Since he grazed her with the gun shot, I thought he was trying to encourage the new guy to keep hunting because they almost had Michonne down.
 
2012-11-19 03:49:47 PM  

Summoner101: For some reason, when I watched the episode last night I took the "red zone" as a football metaphor for Merle's chase of Michonne. Since he grazed her with the gun shot, I thought he was trying to encourage the new guy to keep hunting because they almost had Michonne down.


Considering the context was him saying "Screw this, let's just go home and tell the boss we got her. He'll never know the difference" I get the feeling you misread it. Definitely an interesting moment, though. Merle clearly isn't totally loyal to the Governor. He's still very much out for himself, and it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
2012-11-19 03:53:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: PsyLord: Nononono....don't kill off the only Asian dude on the show (evil Glenn doesn't count). Plus hope nothing happens to Maggie.

Glenn is PROBABLY going to be okay. I think they need to keep him around until they eventually get around to the group meeting up with Negan.


I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."
 
2012-11-19 03:54:54 PM  

Soulcatcher: kumanoki: Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.

It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.

Hey! I love that movie, and he is one of the reasons why.

Some women like sensitive guys.

=]


Oh, come ON. He even had the weepy, tortured eyes and everything.

/OK, he was sad puppydog cute
//Keira Knightly needs to eat something
///Anything
 
2012-11-19 04:04:10 PM  

Mad_Radhu: clapdrix: Galileo's Daughter: Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.

Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!

Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again.

Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.


It's really the only sensible thing to do, if its done safely. Therapeutically there's no danger involved.
 
2012-11-19 04:05:49 PM  

Soulcatcher: kumanoki: Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.

It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.

Hey! I love that movie, and he is one of the reasons why.

Some women like sensitive guys.

=]


Can we settle for a happy medium between Andrew Lincoln's character in Love, Actually and Rawhead Rex from the other thread?
 
2012-11-19 04:09:19 PM  

NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."


Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.
 
2012-11-19 04:13:04 PM  

The Banana Thug: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.

If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.


Hershel only has so many daughters! I'd like to think that between Sophia being gone and swapping Maggie for Michonne to avoid the unfortunate implications (well at least the racial one) that the remaining girls of the group aren't going to be unceremoniously bumped off. The darker turn of this season has already been great and probably just gets better but I'd hope nothing happens to Beth if only to keep Carl this side of rational while his father goes through his crazy phase. after this season I'm pretty sure all bets are off though.

What I'm really interested to see is how long the show takes going through the different series arcs considering the pace it needs to stay engaging versus all the scenes i keep hearing have been cut. The comics seemed to bounce frequently between being action heavy to settling in/scavenging/rebuilding/discussing etc. Given the costs in actors salaries I wouldn't doubt we keep seeing new characters get Otis'd out after an episode or two a piece.
 
2012-11-19 04:15:18 PM  

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


#100 pissed me off to no end. I remember there were rumors that #100 would have the ultimate shocker of Rick being the one who died...and the previous issue covers let you to believe it could be Andrea.

I bet like having the Gov cutting off Rick's arm, Kirkman will regret what he did in #100.
 
2012-11-19 04:17:46 PM  

Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.


OK I laughed.
 
2012-11-19 04:18:08 PM  

The Banana Thug: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.

If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.


let's not forget the really odd sequence with Jim's twins, and what happened. But that really didn't bother me as the moments you've mentioned...I kinda felt that was a justified story based on all the trauma the kids are going through.
 
2012-11-19 04:18:23 PM  

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Alexandria. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


FTFY

Otherwise agreed on all counts.
 
2012-11-19 04:19:20 PM  

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


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/Dr. Jennifer McCarthy approves
 
2012-11-19 04:21:50 PM  

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


I don't think the TV show needs to end with tying up loose ends. My ideal way for the show to end is one of two ways:
1) Over the course of the next few seasons, Rick's group goes through the cycle of finding a possible safe haven only to have it overrun two times after the prison. The finale has everybody currently in the group, except Rick and Carl, killed off. The show then shows Rick and Carl walking down a desolate road together into the sunset, only to repeat the cycle all over again. Fade to black.

2) Carl dies in one of the last few episodes, followed by Rick in the finale. The show ends with Rick coming back as a walker and wondering around.

The show should end emphasizing the point that there are not always answers and the only sure thing is that you're never really safe in the zombie apocalypse.
 
2012-11-19 04:24:44 PM  

NeoCortex42: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

I don't think the TV show needs to end with tying up loose ends. My ideal way for the show to end is one of two ways:
1) Over the course of the next few seasons, Rick's group goes through the cycle of finding a possible safe haven only to have it overrun two times after the prison. The finale has everybody currently in the group, except Rick and Carl, killed off. The show then shows Rick and Carl walking down a desolate road together into the sunset, only to repeat the cycle all over again. Fade to black.

2) Carl dies in one of the last few episodes, followed by Rick in the finale. The show ends with Rick coming back as a walker and wondering around.

The show should end emphasizing the point that there are not always answers and the only sure thing is that you're never really safe in the zombie apocalypse.


So...the Stephen King ending?
 
2012-11-19 04:26:59 PM  

FinFangFark: The Banana Thug: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.

If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.

let's not forget the really odd sequence with Jim's twins, and what happened. But that really didn't bother me as the moments you've mentioned...I kinda felt that was a justified story based on all the trauma the kids are going through.


Oh yea, Jim's twins... That wasn't so much as a sickening stomach-punch as it was a "what the farkity fark!" moment for me.

You know how comics kill off superheroes and bring them back to life to bring in additional revenues every few months? Well, Kirkman does that by coming up with "what horrible shiat can I come up with for these characters for no good reason?" Issue #100 was a perfect example of that.
 
2012-11-19 04:28:34 PM  

FinFangFark: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

#100 pissed me off to no end. I remember there were rumors that #100 would have the ultimate shocker of Rick being the one who died...and the previous issue covers let you to believe it could be Andrea.

I bet like having the Gov cutting off Rick's arm, Kirkman will regret what he did in #100.


Budgetary reasons preclude Ricks arm from being chopped off.
 
2012-11-19 04:35:31 PM  

mcreadyblue: Budgetary reasons preclude Ricks arm from being chopped off


How will they handle the effects of Michonne's and the Governor's reunion?
 
2012-11-19 04:36:24 PM  

NeoCortex42: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

I don't think the TV show needs to end with tying up loose ends. My ideal way for the show to end is one of two ways:
1) Over the course of the next few seasons, Rick's group goes through the cycle of finding a possible safe haven only to have it overrun two times after the prison. The finale has everybody currently in the group, except Rick and Carl, killed off. The show then shows Rick and Carl walking down a desolate road together into the sunset, only to repeat the cycle all over again. Fade to black.

2) Carl dies in one of the last few episodes, followed by Rick in the finale. The show ends with Rick coming back as a walker and wondering around.

The show should end emphasizing the point that there are not always answers and the only sure thing is that you're never really safe in the zombie apocalypse.


Those are good endings, and consistent with what the show's always been about.

Another idea is similar to season 2 of "Jericho." The survivors thought the whole world went to shiat after a zombie fallout, but it became clear that only a region was affected (Georgia and the east coast), and the remaining survivors stumble upon a functioning society after wandering enough. Maybe throw in a little "The Mist" ending in there too, where Rick goes through a drastic loss, but only moments later he comes across a functional society that could've been the group's permanent safe haven. But I highly doubt Kirkman would ever do this.
 
2012-11-19 04:40:10 PM  

FinFangFark: let's not forget the really odd sequence with Jim's twins, and what happened. But that really didn't bother me as the moments you've mentioned...I kinda felt that was a justified story based on all the trauma the kids are going through.


Allen and Donna's twins, not Jim. Jim's whole family died in Atlanta.

The Banana Thug: Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd.


Agree on 100, but I totally bought 104. **SPOILERS**: Carl's actions are totally in line with a 9-year-old kid, even one growing up in a zombie apocalypse. They don't think through the consequences of his actions. Carl was pissed at his dad, and thought he could be the hero. Kids do this all the time... they don't think the consequences, and have fantasies of how much they will be praised after the fact (even when it's ridiculous). Carl may be a badass now, but we forget he's still a kid, and kids do stupid things.
 
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