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(Entertainment Weekly)   Robert Kirkman talks about last night's episode of The Walking Dead, and what we can expect from Glenn and Maggie (warning: spoilers)   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 189
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2012-11-19 09:26:14 AM  
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2012-11-19 10:08:44 AM  
Biter-gram!
 
2012-11-19 10:09:07 AM  
Great episode. But don't think I can stomach the next one. We'll see.

And Michonne following the zombies to the prison after masking her human smell was an excellent resolution to what could've been a glaring plothole.
 
2012-11-19 10:24:56 AM  
Nononono....don't kill off the only Asian dude on the show (evil Glenn doesn't count). Plus hope nothing happens to Maggie.
 
2012-11-19 10:31:59 AM  
That was Evil Glenn that Michonne ran through, wasn't it?
He caught some of Merle's bullets in the back as well.

I dunno about Tyresse...he was aight in the comic...not one of my favorite characters...
Didn't see half the reason he beefed with Rick so much...

And, by the way...TV Rick is way more awesome than comic book Rick.
 
2012-11-19 10:38:10 AM  
Are we still pretending that this is a good show?
 
2012-11-19 10:42:14 AM  

PsyLord: Nononono....don't kill off the only Asian dude on the show (evil Glenn doesn't count). Plus hope nothing happens to Maggie.


fark Evil Glen, I want to know more about the lady Daryl on the wall.
 
2012-11-19 10:42:54 AM  

Apples01: Are we still pretending that this is a good show?


Oh look, it's that guy.
 
2012-11-19 10:42:56 AM  
I'd ask him when Carl and Beth are going to start bumpin' uglies.

I know, I know. Seat. Over there.
 
2012-11-19 10:43:14 AM  

Apples01: Are we still pretending that this is a good show?


*sad trumpet*

0/10

We have some lovely parting gifts for you, including the board game of the thread. Thanks for playing!
 
2012-11-19 10:45:38 AM  

ongbok: PsyLord: Nononono....don't kill off the only Asian dude on the show (evil Glenn doesn't count). Plus hope nothing happens to Maggie.

fark Evil Glen, I want to know more about the lady Daryl on the wall.


Daryl is not amused that you compared that piss-poor archer to him.
 
2012-11-19 10:46:35 AM  

ongbok: I want to know more about the lady Daryl on the wall


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Her name is Haley and is played by Alexa Nikolas
 
2012-11-19 10:55:38 AM  
I love the show, don't get me wrong, but the past few weeks have been 15 minutes of something and 45 minutes of Andrea and the Governor talking.

Last season it was 45 minutes of lots of different people talking.

This season? Long, drawn out conversations with the creepy uncle and the sorority girl

(Andrea's character change from last season to this is right up there with Janet going from smart to stupid on Three's Company!)
 
2012-11-19 10:56:14 AM  
They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.
 
2012-11-19 11:00:50 AM  

Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.


Reedeeming quality: good with a sword
Conversationalist: why talk to anyone when everyone's gonna die
Ideal dinner guest: no dinner parties in the apocalypse

Book it. Done.
 
2012-11-19 11:01:31 AM  

Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.


I can see her and Daryl as being the ultimate bad-ass zombie hunter group.
 
2012-11-19 11:07:38 AM  
Does he explain why Carl wasn't in the house?
 
2012-11-19 11:07:48 AM  
Its going to be a tricky situation. Mearle wants his brother back, Daryl is loyal to the group now. The Governor would just do the same to all of them as he did to the Guardsmen. The next few look like they will be getting even better. This season has been a good turn around.
 
2012-11-19 11:11:23 AM  

buntz: I love the show, don't get me wrong, but the past few weeks have been 15 minutes of something and 45 minutes of Andrea and the Governor talking.

Last season it was 45 minutes of lots of different people talking.

This season? Long, drawn out conversations with the creepy uncle and the sorority girl

(Andrea's character change from last season to this is right up there with Janet going from smart to stupid on Three's Company!)


Agreed, to a certain extent. I get the impression that Andrea is a writer favorite. I also get the impression that the writers are just using her as a foil this season for the Governor. I think they're going back to a pre-farm Andrea personality...kind of a quarry Andrea, since things are reverting back to normalcy, we're seeing that reflected in her personality. However, the flirting over four episodes is pretty gag-worthy. I just think the writers gave her the 'soft reset' so she'd be able to revert back to tough Andrea by the end of the season, should circumstances warrant.

I do wonder how much saw the actors have in the development of the characters.
 
2012-11-19 11:12:58 AM  
I hope she makes Merle and the Gov'na into jawless armless zombie mules.
 
2012-11-19 11:13:20 AM  

kumanoki: Agreed, to a certain extent. I get the impression that Andrea is a writer favorite. I also get the impression that the writers are just using her as a foil this season for the Governor. I think they're going back to a pre-farm Andrea personality...kind of a quarry Andrea, since things are reverting back to normalcy, we're seeing that reflected in her personality. However, the flirting over four episodes is pretty gag-worthy. I just think the writers gave her the 'soft reset' so she'd be able to revert back to tough Andrea by the end of the season, should circumstances warrant.

I do wonder how much saw the actors have in the development of the characters.


I think he might use Andrea to get Maggie and Glenn to talk...and not in a good way.
 
2012-11-19 11:17:31 AM  
Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".
 
2012-11-19 11:25:24 AM  

Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


Sorry, there wasn't anything about a 'red zone' in the comic regarding Woodbury. So I'm just as interested as you are. However, it now makes much more sense that the scouts from Woodbury haven't been in the direction of the prison if it is in this 'red zone' of which Merle spoke.
 
2012-11-19 11:28:05 AM  

kumanoki: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".

Sorry, there wasn't anything about a 'red zone' in the comic regarding Woodbury. So I'm just as interested as you are. However, it now makes much more sense that the scouts from Woodbury haven't been in the direction of the prison if it is in this 'red zone' of which Merle spoke.


I just figured it was areas where there were a lot of biters...
 
2012-11-19 11:36:59 AM  
It looks like the governor is getting head in more ways than one now.
 
2012-11-19 11:39:08 AM  

Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.


She brought a basket full of baby formula with her to the prison.
 
2012-11-19 11:40:22 AM  
I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.
 
2012-11-19 11:44:19 AM  

Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.


It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.
 
2012-11-19 11:45:40 AM  

kumanoki: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".

Sorry, there wasn't anything about a 'red zone' in the comic regarding Woodbury. So I'm just as interested as you are. However, it now makes much more sense that the scouts from Woodbury haven't been in the direction of the prison if it is in this 'red zone' of which Merle spoke.


If I had to guess, the fact that Rick and the gang was running around dodging huge packs of zombies for 6-9 months or whatever the time table was they gave, and mentioned before the prison was found, that they were cut off on all sides.

I'm assuming based on that, that they are in the middle of this "red zone", and that's just a reference to a danger zone that's infested with zombies.

Also as he said, comic said nothing about it.
 
2012-11-19 11:56:15 AM  
The new black guy likes slippers.
 
2012-11-19 12:00:22 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: The new black guy likes slippers.


While the new white guy likes a wall of heads.
 
2012-11-19 12:04:41 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: The new black guy likes slippers.


Shiat yeah, man! If it were me I'd be looking for a fez and smoking jacket, too! Why face the zombie apocalypse uncomfortably?
 
2012-11-19 12:14:45 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: The new black guy likes slippers.


They later find him romancing the slippers in a cell when he thinks he's alone. He tearfully reveals he was in prison as a sex offender for humping a pair of ladies Nikes in front of a Sonic Drive-In while drunk and high.
 
2012-11-19 12:21:02 PM  

FunkOut: They later find him romancing the slippers in a cell when he thinks he's alone. He tearfully reveals he was in prison as a sex offender for humping a pair of ladies Nikes in front of a Sonic Drive-In while drunk and high.


And yet, with a gun pointed at him point blank, he said he wasn't going to beg for his life. Hm.
 
2012-11-19 12:21:41 PM  
So where is the scrawny white prisoner? He appears kinda harmless, but I suspect that he's really dangerous. The way he gut stabbed the zombie during the 2nd episode gave me that impression.
 
2012-11-19 12:24:47 PM  

KellyX: If I had to guess, the fact that Rick and the gang was running around dodging huge packs of zombies for 6-9 months or whatever the time table was they gave, and mentioned before the prison was found, that they were cut off on all sides.

I'm assuming based on that, that they are in the middle of this "red zone", and that's just a reference to a danger zone that's infested with zombies.


Honestly, that's what I thought too, with the addition the "red zone" is probably where the survivors pulled the mega-chain-herd that followed them from Atlanta and sacked Hershel's farm. I can only imagine that mega-herd will remain a quiet Chekhov's gun until season 4 or 5, when it comes into play during the trip to Alexandria.
 
2012-11-19 12:30:30 PM  

kumanoki: FunkOut: They later find him romancing the slippers in a cell when he thinks he's alone. He tearfully reveals he was in prison as a sex offender for humping a pair of ladies Nikes in front of a Sonic Drive-In while drunk and high.

And yet, with a gun pointed at him point blank, he said he wasn't going to beg for his life. Hm.


Never mess with a shoe farker. They're hardcore.
 
2012-11-19 12:31:57 PM  
My thoughts:

1) I'm disturbed by how seamlessly they replaced T-Dog with that black prisoner. He's even doing that loitering-in-background-saying-nothing thing too. It's taking that "token black guy" to a level of ridiculousness.

2) Feeling mixed about Michonne. Great in action scenes, but her constant scowling is comical. I'm beginning to question the casting here. Better hope they give her more depth and range soon.

3) Am I the only one who's glad the show got rid of Frank Darabont? I understand that he was responsible for the first season and half of season two, including the unrealistic CDC stuff and the drawn-out search for Sophia, and ever since he left the show really picked up in pace and intensity, from the second half of season two to now.

/I'll stop complaining now
 
2012-11-19 12:34:43 PM  

Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".



The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.
 
2012-11-19 12:36:25 PM  

PsyLord: So where is the scrawny white prisoner? He appears kinda harmless, but I suspect that he's really dangerous. The way he gut stabbed the zombie during the 2nd episode gave me that impression.


They said he was in the genarator room doing something to get it running.
 
2012-11-19 12:37:02 PM  

Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.


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2012-11-19 12:37:03 PM  
I'm a bit sad that Rick has returned to normal so quickly. It seems like they could have played the phone thing out longer, had him conserving with the other people on the line for a scene or two for a few episodes...

They've played this season out really well so far. Character development isn't being ignored, and we still have action and plot to spare.
 
2012-11-19 12:38:34 PM  

FunkOut: Big Beef Burrito: The new black guy likes slippers.

They later find him romancing the slippers in a cell when he thinks he's alone. He tearfully reveals he was in prison as a sex offender for humping a pair of ladies Nikes in front of a Sonic Drive-In while drunk and high.


No wonder I felt such kinship with him.
 
2012-11-19 12:39:10 PM  
What a Red Zone may look like:
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-19 12:39:33 PM  

Hebalo: I'm a bit sad that Rick has returned to normal so quickly. It seems like they could have played the phone thing out longer, had him conserving with the other people on the line for a scene or two for a few episodes...

They've played this season out really well so far. Character development isn't being ignored, and we still have action and plot to spare.


Was it just me or did that change happen when the Lori voice said the baby was theirs? I believe right after was when the reception started going out, as to say Rick was getting with it.
 
2012-11-19 12:39:44 PM  

Hebalo: I'm a bit sad that Rick has returned to normal so quickly. It seems like they could have played the phone thing out longer, had him conserving with the other people on the line for a scene or two for a few episodes...


...and just because we saw a scene in which Rick was lucid means he's back to normal?
 
2012-11-19 12:40:32 PM  

The Banana Thug: My thoughts:

1) I'm disturbed by how seamlessly they replaced T-Dog with that black prisoner. He's even doing that loitering-in-background-saying-nothing thing too. It's taking that "token black guy" to a level of ridiculousness.



What? Oscar is a totally different character. This black guy is bald. He digs holes. He opens and closes gates. He stands in the back of the group. He has few lines.

Aw, Hell....he's O-Dog now.
 
2012-11-19 12:42:47 PM  

Hebalo: I'm a bit sad that Rick has returned to normal so quickly. It seems like they could have played the phone thing out longer, had him conserving with the other people on the line for a scene or two for a few episodes...


No way. I'm glad they wrapped that story up quickly. It could've been a real jump-the-shark moment for the show otherwise. The writers were trying to give a quick homage to the comic, show the depth of Rick's insanity, and then move on.
 
2012-11-19 12:43:29 PM  
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I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.
 
2012-11-19 12:44:53 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: The Banana Thug: My thoughts:

1) I'm disturbed by how seamlessly they replaced T-Dog with that black prisoner. He's even doing that loitering-in-background-saying-nothing thing too. It's taking that "token black guy" to a level of ridiculousness.


What? Oscar is a totally different character. This black guy is bald. He digs holes. He opens and closes gates. He stands in the back of the group. He has few lines.

Aw, Hell....he's O-Dog now.


Well, when you put it like that: He's a ditch-digger and doorman who rides the back of the bus. I guess post-apocalypse Georgia isn't exactly progressive, is it.
 
2012-11-19 12:46:22 PM  

KellyX: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x327]

I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.


Same here. I miss him from Jericho.
 
2012-11-19 12:46:24 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Hebalo: I'm a bit sad that Rick has returned to normal so quickly. It seems like they could have played the phone thing out longer, had him conserving with the other people on the line for a scene or two for a few episodes...

...and just because we saw a scene in which Rick was lucid means he's back to normal?


Well, good point. I'll be happy if they do continue it. It was a great conceit from the comic books, and it would be a really effective way to see Rick's mental state, struggle etc. Might have been more effective if they had drawn out the possibility that it was someone real on the other end for a while.
 
2012-11-19 12:47:39 PM  

Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


It's Andrea's crotch.
 
2012-11-19 12:48:25 PM  

KellyX: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x327]

I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.


*****SPOILER ALERT*****


In the comics, they do come across the character again, when Rick visits his hometown on an errand and checks on Morgan. If the show follows suit, I'd guess it would happen around the beginning of season 5? Season 4 is possible, seeing how much ground they've covered already this season.
 
2012-11-19 12:51:03 PM  

The Banana Thug: Great episode. But don't think I can stomach the next one. We'll see.

And Michonne following the zombies to the prison after masking her human smell was an excellent resolution to what could've been a glaring plothole.


To me, that in itself is a plothole. We humans don't really have a great sense of smell to begin with when compared to other members of the animal kingdom. And these zombies are constantly decaying. Why would a decaying zombie have a great sense of smell? Seems like they wouldn't be smell anything other than their own stench.

I liked the way Shawn of the Dead handled it better. Just shamble around everywhere and don't speak, because zombies are stupid creatures.
 
2012-11-19 12:51:16 PM  

FunkOut: KellyX: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x327]

I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.

Same here. I miss him from Jericho.


Was doing a little research and they said he's on the cast list for Season 3, so maybe near the end of the season he'll show up
 
2012-11-19 12:52:37 PM  

NeoCortex42: Big Beef Burrito: The Banana Thug: My thoughts:

1) I'm disturbed by how seamlessly they replaced T-Dog with that black prisoner. He's even doing that loitering-in-background-saying-nothing thing too. It's taking that "token black guy" to a level of ridiculousness.


What? Oscar is a totally different character. This black guy is bald. He digs holes. He opens and closes gates. He stands in the back of the group. He has few lines.

Aw, Hell....he's O-Dog now.

Well, when you put it like that: He's a ditch-digger and doorman who rides the back of the bus. I guess post-apocalypse Georgia isn't exactly progressive, is it.


Hey, AMC can only tackle so many social predjudices in one show.

I mean, they already expect us to believe the black guy was in prison. Any more groundbreaking characterizations like that and they might as well have him shoot lasers out of his eyes.
 
2012-11-19 12:59:39 PM  

Apples01: Are we still pretending that this is a good show?


We know, we know...you're too hip to like the popular show. Yawn.
 
2012-11-19 01:00:57 PM  
I didn't see any spoilers about Glenn and Maggie in the article.

So I will just post this instead.

i2.listal.com
 
2012-11-19 01:01:20 PM  

Hebalo: Well, good point. I'll be happy if they do continue it. It was a great conceit from the comic books, and it would be a really effective way to see Rick's mental state, struggle etc. Might have been more effective if they had drawn out the possibility that it was someone real on the other end for a while.


I get the feeling it'll be a recurring, but not typical, thing. I suspect they'll leave it for times of extreme stress for Rick, as a coping mechanism. I doubt it'll be a "once per episode" thing, maybe more like once or twice a season.

Now, spoiler stuff.

The Banana Thug: In the comics, they do come across the character again, when Rick visits his hometown on an errand and checks on Morgan. If the show follows suit, I'd guess it would happen around the beginning of season 5? Season 4 is possible, seeing how much ground they've covered already this season.


Considering the way they diverge and come back to the comics' story line, I suspect after the Woodbury conflict is over the entire group will head north for some reason...maybe to get away from the herd. When Rick and Carl head to Kentucky in the comics, the herd becomes a pretty major plot point for a while. The show's creators have already foreshadowed it, showed it at one point (the end of season 2) and alluded to it throughout season 3 thus far.

I can't see the group not being on their way to the Alexandria safe zone by the end of season 4, so I'd tag Morgan's return in early season 4 personally. Which, as a corollary, means New T-Dog's life span is six, maybe eight, more episodes.
 
2012-11-19 01:01:42 PM  

Craptastic: The Banana Thug: Great episode. But don't think I can stomach the next one. We'll see.

And Michonne following the zombies to the prison after masking her human smell was an excellent resolution to what could've been a glaring plothole.

To me, that in itself is a plothole. We humans don't really have a great sense of smell to begin with when compared to other members of the animal kingdom. And these zombies are constantly decaying. Why would a decaying zombie have a great sense of smell? Seems like they wouldn't be smell anything other than their own stench.

I liked the way Shawn of the Dead handled it better. Just shamble around everywhere and don't speak, because zombies are stupid creatures.


I don't think those zombies shambled to the prison because they could smell the humans in Rick's group. I think they were just following other, earlier zombies, who were initially attracted to the prison because of all the noises there. That's how a horde is formed, and this was explained well in the comics but can't remember if this was sufficiently addressed in the show.

I think each zombie show/movie is allowed an artistic license in setting up their own parameters for what a zombie can and cannot do. TWD's take has been the most unusual so far. Everyone's already infected, and zombie blood won't affect you but a seemingly non-lethal zombie bite does. It will be interesting to see how Kirkman will reconcile these facts in the end, particularly why everyone's already infected. That's the greatest mystery of the series.
 
2012-11-19 01:04:55 PM  

PsyLord: Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.

I can see her and Daryl as being the ultimate bad-ass zombie hunter group.


Daryl will find out how much of a badass she is, and get the hots for her. This will make Carol mad, and we will have three episodes of Carol pouting about it. Daryl and M will hook up, just before he reunites with Merle, who as we know is a virulent racist. This will lead to three more episodes of Daryl and Merle fighting over her.

Done.
 
2012-11-19 01:08:26 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Hebalo: Well, good point. I'll be happy if they do continue it. It was a great conceit from the comic books, and it would be a really effective way to see Rick's mental state, struggle etc. Might have been more effective if they had drawn out the possibility that it was someone real on the other end for a while.

I get the feeling it'll be a recurring, but not typical, thing. I suspect they'll leave it for times of extreme stress for Rick, as a coping mechanism. I doubt it'll be a "once per episode" thing, maybe more like once or twice a season.

Now, spoiler stuff.

The Banana Thug: In the comics, they do come across the character again, when Rick visits his hometown on an errand and checks on Morgan. If the show follows suit, I'd guess it would happen around the beginning of season 5? Season 4 is possible, seeing how much ground they've covered already this season.

Considering the way they diverge and come back to the comics' story line, I suspect after the Woodbury conflict is over the entire group will head north for some reason...maybe to get away from the herd. When Rick and Carl head to Kentucky in the comics, the herd becomes a pretty major plot point for a while. The show's creators have already foreshadowed it, showed it at one point (the end of season 2) and alluded to it throughout season 3 thus far.

I can't see the group not being on their way to the Alexandria safe zone by the end of season 4, so I'd tag Morgan's return in early season 4 personally. Which, as a corollary, means New T-Dog's life span is six, maybe eight, more episodes.


Is it horde or herd? The reference to a "red zone" last night definitely got my attention, so you might be right. If season 4 consists entirely of the group constantly on the run from a menacing and unrelenting zombie horde (think Terminator 1 or 2), that would be pure awesome. No prison, no Woodbury, no farm - just constantly on the run to stay a step ahead.
 
2012-11-19 01:09:27 PM  

The Banana Thug: Everyone's already infected, and zombie blood won't affect you but a seemingly non-lethal zombie bite does. It will be interesting to see how Kirkman will reconcile these facts in the end, particularly why everyone's already infected. That's the greatest mystery of the series.


...the article that's linked actually goes into that, in Kirkman's own words. You know, if the ambient discussion on the topic every time it comes up isn't enough.

Zombies' mouths and nails are toxic, poisonous, pathogen-laden death-holes. Hell, a skin-breaking bite from a human that practices decent oral hygiene is laden with bacteria and virii enough to cause a potentially-lethal case of sepsis without medical attention. How much more toxic do you think a zombie's mouth would be? Secondary infection is what kills you.
 
2012-11-19 01:14:09 PM  

The Banana Thug: Is it horde or herd? The reference to a "red zone" last night definitely got my attention, so you might be right. If season 4 consists entirely of the group constantly on the run from a menacing and unrelenting zombie horde (think Terminator 1 or 2), that would be pure awesome. No prison, no Woodbury, no farm - just constantly on the run to stay a step ahead.


The terms are interchangeable -- like "walker" and "biter", or "geek"...what have you. There's not much opportunity to form a universal slang in the zombie apocalypse. Anyhow, that said, the time skip between seasons 2 and 3 was spent dodging the herd that ransacked Hershel's farm, and other smaller herds. "The herd" from the comics was...bigger.
 
2012-11-19 01:15:04 PM  

Craptastic: The Banana Thug: Great episode. But don't think I can stomach the next one. We'll see.

And Michonne following the zombies to the prison after masking her human smell was an excellent resolution to what could've been a glaring plothole.

To me, that in itself is a plothole. We humans don't really have a great sense of smell to begin with when compared to other members of the animal kingdom. And these zombies are constantly decaying. Why would a decaying zombie have a great sense of smell? Seems like they wouldn't be smell anything other than their own stench.

I liked the way Shawn of the Dead handled it better. Just shamble around everywhere and don't speak, because zombies are stupid creatures.


Humans may not have a great olfactory sense, but we can smell very strong odors, such as rotting, decaying flesh and viscera.

Walkers obviously have some degree of brain function, and since living things do not smell like themselves, its not unreasonable that they have learned to use their sense of smell to help distinguish targets.

A better question I've yet to see a satisfactory answer to (in anything from the zombie genre) is why simple-minded creatures are compelled to act cooperatively, and don't try to eat each other.

/aside from the fact that it would be the shortest zombie uprising ever.
 
2012-11-19 01:16:29 PM  

Craptastic: The Banana Thug: Great episode. But don't think I can stomach the next one. We'll see.

And Michonne following the zombies to the prison after masking her human smell was an excellent resolution to what could've been a glaring plothole.

To me, that in itself is a plothole. We humans don't really have a great sense of smell to begin with when compared to other members of the animal kingdom. And these zombies are constantly decaying. Why would a decaying zombie have a great sense of smell? Seems like they wouldn't be smell anything other than their own stench.

I liked the way Shawn of the Dead handled it better. Just shamble around everywhere and don't speak, because zombies are stupid creatures.


Plot hole, that phrase I do think it means what you think it means.
 
2012-11-19 01:19:42 PM  

that bosnian sniper: so I'd tag Morgan's return in early season 4 personally. Which, as a corollary, means New T-Dog's life span is six, maybe eight, more episodes.


Sadly you are probably right. Though what does Morgan's son do to the only one black male secondary level character rule?
 
2012-11-19 01:22:08 PM  
How about we just designate T-Dog 2.0 as Two-Dog. Then when he's gone by the end of the season, his replacement will be Three-Dog Night.
 
2012-11-19 01:23:30 PM  

Saiga410: that bosnian sniper: so I'd tag Morgan's return in early season 4 personally. Which, as a corollary, means New T-Dog's life span is six, maybe eight, more episodes.

Sadly you are probably right. Though what does Morgan's son do to the only one black male secondary level character rule?


Well, a kid only counts as half, right? So we get 3/5 + (3/5)/2. So that's like one if we use old-timey math, right?
 
2012-11-19 01:25:20 PM  

Saiga410: Sadly you are probably right. Though what does Morgan's son do to the only one black male secondary level character rule?


Yeah, about that...if it follows the comics, I wouldn't suspect that rule being broken.

Though, apparently reading more into it, apparently Morgan was on a leaked, or released as part of PR, call sheet for season 3 (it was the same one that revealed Axel's and New T-Dog's names). So, it looks like he might be coming back earlier than I'd figured.
 
2012-11-19 01:25:59 PM  
Funbags:
A better question I've yet to see a satisfactory answer to (in anything from the zombie genre) is why simple-minded creatures are compelled to act cooperatively, and don't try to eat each other.

/aside from the fact that it would be the shortest zombie uprising ever.


Pffft that's easy. 1. They are not acting cooperatively, it might just seem that way. They are all out for the same thing, which is warm living flesh and blood. Kinda like maggots only eat dead tissue, zombies prefer live tissue. In some zombie movies, it might be anything alive, in others, they only go after people.
 
2012-11-19 01:27:18 PM  

NeoCortex42: How about we just designate T-Dog 2.0 as Two-Dog. Then when he's gone by the end of the season, his replacement will be Three-Dog Night.


Current guy is U-Dog. Next black person will be V-Dog and so on.
 
2012-11-19 01:29:10 PM  

Shazam999: NeoCortex42: How about we just designate T-Dog 2.0 as Two-Dog. Then when he's gone by the end of the season, his replacement will be Three-Dog Night.

Current guy is U-Dog. Next black person will be V-Dog and so on.


Alright. How about after X-Dog, we get Yo-Dawg?
 
2012-11-19 01:29:25 PM  

Shazam999: Current guy is U-Dog. Next black person will be V-Dog and so on.


I'm just waiting for New T-Dog to be quietly and unceremoniously written out and replaced by Ann Veal, just to see how many episodes it takes for viewers to notice.
 
2012-11-19 01:34:17 PM  

chewielouie: Funbags:
A better question I've yet to see a satisfactory answer to (in anything from the zombie genre) is why simple-minded creatures are compelled to act cooperatively, and don't try to eat each other.

/aside from the fact that it would be the shortest zombie uprising ever.

Pffft that's easy. 1. They are not acting cooperatively, it might just seem that way. They are all out for the same thing, which is warm living flesh and blood. Kinda like maggots only eat dead tissue, zombies prefer live tissue. In some zombie movies, it might be anything alive, in others, they only go after people.


"Cooperative" was a poor choice of wording by me, just meant they want to eat living things, but then these versions of the undead have already been shown to drawn to dead animal carcasses.
 
2012-11-19 01:37:45 PM  

Shazam999: Current guy is U-Dog. Next black person will be V-Dog and so on.


Ha! I'm definitely going with U-Dog from now on.

that bosnian sniper: Though, apparently reading more into it, apparently Morgan was on a leaked, or released as part of PR, call sheet for season 3 (it was the same one that revealed Axel's and New T-Dog's names). So, it looks like he might be coming back earlier than I'd figured.


Hope so! That actor is great. Love his character on Jericho. I just hope he'll be more badass (a la Jericho) and less broken than he was in the comic version.
 
2012-11-19 01:43:55 PM  

Funbags: chewielouie: Funbags:
A better question I've yet to see a satisfactory answer to (in anything from the zombie genre) is why simple-minded creatures are compelled to act cooperatively, and don't try to eat each other.

/aside from the fact that it would be the shortest zombie uprising ever.

Pffft that's easy. 1. They are not acting cooperatively, it might just seem that way. They are all out for the same thing, which is warm living flesh and blood. Kinda like maggots only eat dead tissue, zombies prefer live tissue. In some zombie movies, it might be anything alive, in others, they only go after people.

"Cooperative" was a poor choice of wording by me, just meant they want to eat living things, but then these versions of the undead have already been shown to drawn to dead animal carcasses.


Their sole drive is the consumption of living flesh, or a fresh kill, even though they derive no nutritional benefit from it. They continue to rot and decompose. Not sure how all of that is handled in TWD. Looks like the one zombie gorged himself on Lori's remains and could barely move. And I think the scientist dude said they are still rotting no?
 
2012-11-19 01:45:24 PM  

The Banana Thug: that bosnian sniper: Though, apparently reading more into it, apparently Morgan was on a leaked, or released as part of PR, call sheet for season 3 (it was the same one that revealed Axel's and New T-Dog's names). So, it looks like he might be coming back earlier than I'd figured.

Hope so! That actor is great. Love his character on Jericho. I just hope he'll be more badass (a la Jericho) and less broken than he was in the comic version.

I've like the actor ever since I saw him in Snatch. His southern accent was really good, too. Morgan was such a tortured character, and I'd like to see that revisited briefly if they return to his story arc.
 
2012-11-19 01:51:29 PM  
What I got from the "red zone" was that Merle and his gang had just fired off a bunch of gunshots, which would attract nearby walkers. If they stood around too long, walkers would be at their location, so Merle was wanting to move and get out of the "red zone/ danger zone."
 
2012-11-19 01:51:37 PM  

kumanoki: The Banana Thug: that bosnian sniper: Though, apparently reading more into it, apparently Morgan was on a leaked, or released as part of PR, call sheet for season 3 (it was the same one that revealed Axel's and New T-Dog's names). So, it looks like he might be coming back earlier than I'd figured.

Hope so! That actor is great. Love his character on Jericho. I just hope he'll be more badass (a la Jericho) and less broken than he was in the comic version.I've like the actor ever since I saw him in Snatch. His southern accent was really good, too. Morgan was such a tortured character, and I'd like to see that revisited briefly if they return to his story arc.


Agreed. That scene from season 1, where Morgan was holed up in his house and his zombified wife sauntered up to his front door and tried to turn the doorknob, and Morgan looked through the peephole into his wife's dead eyes... Absolutely sent chill up my spine. So well done. The show needs to do more of these quietly terrifying scenes.
 
2012-11-19 01:52:03 PM  

Funbags: Humans may not have a great olfactory sense, but we can smell very strong odors, such as rotting, decaying flesh and viscera.


And yet Walkers have been able to sneak up on living humans on multiple occasions. Seems to me that by now, the aura of stench around them would be quite profound and far reaching

There was a guy who used to work at my current company who bathed in cologne. You could be sitting 40 feet from the entrance to the break room and as soon as he walked in the door, everybody knew he was there.

Now imagine that instead of whatever cologne he used, it was rotting / decaying flesh. No walkers are gonna sneak up on me unless it's the middle of allergy season.
 
2012-11-19 01:57:20 PM  

Funbags: chewielouie: Funbags:
A better question I've yet to see a satisfactory answer to (in anything from the zombie genre) is why simple-minded creatures are compelled to act cooperatively, and don't try to eat each other.

/aside from the fact that it would be the shortest zombie uprising ever.

Pffft that's easy. 1. They are not acting cooperatively, it might just seem that way. They are all out for the same thing, which is warm living flesh and blood. Kinda like maggots only eat dead tissue, zombies prefer live tissue. In some zombie movies, it might be anything alive, in others, they only go after people.

"Cooperative" was a poor choice of wording by me, just meant they want to eat living things, but then these versions of the undead have already been shown to drawn to dead animal carcasses.


Yes, but IIRC those are fresh kills. No rotting meat.
 
2012-11-19 02:01:17 PM  

BizarreMan: And yet Walkers have been able to sneak up on living humans on multiple occasions. Seems to me that by now, the aura of stench around them would be quite profound and far reaching

There was a guy who used to work at my current company who bathed in cologne. You could be sitting 40 feet from the entrance to the break room and as soon as he walked in the door, everybody knew he was there.

Now imagine that instead of whatever cologne he used, it was rotting / decaying flesh. No walkers are gonna sneak up on me unless it's the middle of allergy season.


But, if everybody is wearing said guy's cologne, won't it become an omnipresent scent, and therefore be more difficult to pick out or discern in a wide open area with any semblance of wind? I would imagine that the scent of decaying flesh is rather prevalent if every dead person is up and moving, decaying all the while.
 
2012-11-19 02:01:31 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Funbags: chewielouie: Funbags:
A better question I've yet to see a satisfactory answer to (in anything from the zombie genre) is why simple-minded creatures are compelled to act cooperatively, and don't try to eat each other.

/aside from the fact that it would be the shortest zombie uprising ever.

Pffft that's easy. 1. They are not acting cooperatively, it might just seem that way. They are all out for the same thing, which is warm living flesh and blood. Kinda like maggots only eat dead tissue, zombies prefer live tissue. In some zombie movies, it might be anything alive, in others, they only go after people.

"Cooperative" was a poor choice of wording by me, just meant they want to eat living things, but then these versions of the undead have already been shown to drawn to dead animal carcasses.

Yes, but IIRC those are fresh kills. No rotting meat.


Correct. It would explain why that zombie ate Lori, after Carl shot her in the head. She was still fresh. Very disturbing scene, where Rick came upon that overstuffed zombie.
 
2012-11-19 02:04:24 PM  

EyeballKid: BizarreMan: And yet Walkers have been able to sneak up on living humans on multiple occasions. Seems to me that by now, the aura of stench around them would be quite profound and far reaching

There was a guy who used to work at my current company who bathed in cologne. You could be sitting 40 feet from the entrance to the break room and as soon as he walked in the door, everybody knew he was there.

Now imagine that instead of whatever cologne he used, it was rotting / decaying flesh. No walkers are gonna sneak up on me unless it's the middle of allergy season.

But, if everybody is wearing said guy's cologne, won't it become an omnipresent scent, and therefore be more difficult to pick out or discern in a wide open area with any semblance of wind? I would imagine that the scent of decaying flesh is rather prevalent if every dead person is up and moving, decaying all the while.


There has been a few comments that make me think that the walkers might not stink that bad when still "alive". One that pops to mind was after clearing one of the cell blocks. Someone said that (para) "We need to clear these bodies out before they start stinking"
 
2012-11-19 02:04:40 PM  
So...really...what is the deal with not calling them zombies in the show? I think I'd rather call them the undead, or ghouls or something besides walkers and biters.
 
2012-11-19 02:06:39 PM  
Did anybody else listen to Rick's dialogue in this episode and think that maybe this season Rick yells the signature line? (No, not "Shut the fark up, Lori.")
 
2012-11-19 02:10:06 PM  

that bosnian sniper: The Banana Thug: Is it horde or herd? The reference to a "red zone" last night definitely got my attention, so you might be right. If season 4 consists entirely of the group constantly on the run from a menacing and unrelenting zombie horde (think Terminator 1 or 2), that would be pure awesome. No prison, no Woodbury, no farm - just constantly on the run to stay a step ahead.

The terms are interchangeable -- like "walker" and "biter", or "geek"...what have you. There's not much opportunity to form a universal slang in the zombie apocalypse. Anyhow, that said, the time skip between seasons 2 and 3 was spent dodging the herd that ransacked Hershel's farm, and other smaller herds. "The herd" from the comics was...bigger.


Frankly I don't really look at it as a true herd, they don't even really see a true herd until they hook up with Abrahams if I recall.
 
2012-11-19 02:17:24 PM  

You Are All Sheep: So...really...what is the deal with not calling them zombies in the show? I think I'd rather call them the undead, or ghouls or something besides walkers and biters.


If I recall, I think the concept of "zombies" and zombie films do not exist within the TWD universe. No "28 Days Later", no "Dawn of the Dead", no nothing. So the word "zombie" doesn't even exist. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

KellyX: Frankly I don't really look at it as a true herd, they don't even really see a true herd until they hook up with Abrahams if I recall.


You are correct. I think it was Abraham who was explaining to the group what a REAL zombie horde looks like, and how it is formed. The smaller hordes at the beginning of season 2 on the highway and the one that overran the farm are nothing in comparison to a real horde, which I hope is what season 4 will be about.
 
2012-11-19 02:19:02 PM  

KellyX: I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.


Hearing his native British accent is hilarious as well.
 
2012-11-19 02:22:00 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: One that pops to mind was after clearing one of the cell blocks. Someone said that (para) "We need to clear these bodies out before they start stinking"


That bothered me in that after that amount of time and in a hot cell block the bodies would be well past the stinking phase. Ever have a mouse die under something and you cannot find it. It stinks to high heaven for a week and then subsides as the flesh desiccates.
 
2012-11-19 02:22:13 PM  

EyeballKid: Did anybody else listen to Rick's dialogue in this episode and think that maybe this season Rick yells the signature line? (No, not "Shut the fark up, Lori.")


He could still yell that...but i was thinking the same last night.
 
2012-11-19 02:22:57 PM  

The Banana Thug: kumanoki: The Banana Thug: that bosnian sniper: Though, apparently reading more into it, apparently Morgan was on a leaked, or released as part of PR, call sheet for season 3 (it was the same one that revealed Axel's and New T-Dog's names). So, it looks like he might be coming back earlier than I'd figured.

Hope so! That actor is great. Love his character on Jericho. I just hope he'll be more badass (a la Jericho) and less broken than he was in the comic version.I've like the actor ever since I saw him in Snatch. His southern accent was really good, too. Morgan was such a tortured character, and I'd like to see that revisited briefly if they return to his story arc.

Agreed. That scene from season 1, where Morgan was holed up in his house and his zombified wife sauntered up to his front door and tried to turn the doorknob, and Morgan looked through the peephole into his wife's dead eyes... Absolutely sent chill up my spine. So well done. The show needs to do more of these quietly terrifying scenes.


That was actually Rick. Morgan was busy keeping his very distraught son quiet. Maybe you're thinking of him viewing her through the scope of the rifle?
 
2012-11-19 02:23:15 PM  

The Banana Thug: Agreed. That scene from season 1, where Morgan was holed up in his house and his zombified wife sauntered up to his front door and tried to turn the doorknob, and Morgan looked through the peephole into his wife's dead eyes... Absolutely sent chill up my spine. So well done. The show needs to do more of these quietly terrifying scenes.


Oh, I know! I think what made Season 1 so good was the emptiness. there was a stark emptiness to the scenes that conveyed that sense that everyone was gone, everyone had fled or turned. It was a powerful scene when Rick finds Morgan and his son because it's his first contact with anyone alive..and to be greeted in such a way, to be handled at arms reach until they were sure, to squat in a neighbors house with the windows boarded and dead loved ones out in the street...it was shocking and powerful- this was going to be life post-coma for Rick. And Morgan's sadness and grief and anger would play out over and over and over again for Rick in everything he did from that point forward. That was powerful. I think that's why so many poeple want to see Morgan again.

But I don't know if we can go back to those quiet scenes, you know? The cat is out of the bag. People are forming groups, groups are forming societies, and the zombie threat is understood, at least in a rudimentary way. Rick isn't going to say something for the fallen undead anymore. He's moved way beyond that, to the point that the half-zombie in the park seems like a quaint scene now.
 
2012-11-19 02:27:07 PM  

Apples01: Are we still pretending that this is a good show?


Two And a Half Men starts.... now!
 
2012-11-19 02:34:44 PM  

EyeballKid: Did anybody else listen to Rick's dialogue in this episode and think that maybe this season Rick yells the signature line? (No, not "Shut the fark up, Lori.")


"..."?
 
2012-11-19 02:36:10 PM  

The Banana Thug: You Are All Sheep: So...really...what is the deal with not calling them zombies in the show? I think I'd rather call them the undead, or ghouls or something besides walkers and biters.

If I recall, I think the concept of "zombies" and zombie films do not exist within the TWD universe. No "28 Days Later", no "Dawn of the Dead", no nothing. So the word "zombie" doesn't even exist. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.



Right, while the z-word does exist in universe, zombies don't exist a pop culture phenomenon. It's unlikely someone would use the term unless they had read up on Vodou religious practices. I guess that might be what they'd call them in Haiti and parts of West Africa.
 
2012-11-19 02:36:16 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: EyeballKid: Did anybody else listen to Rick's dialogue in this episode and think that maybe this season Rick yells the signature line? (No, not "Shut the fark up, Lori.")

"..."?


It's from the comic book. I'm trying not to ruin for anybody who may not have read it yet.
 
2012-11-19 02:36:33 PM  

The Banana Thug: KellyX: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x327]

I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.

*****SPOILER ALERT*****


In the comics, they do come across the character again, when Rick visits his hometown on an errand and checks on Morgan. If the show follows suit, I'd guess it would happen around the beginning of season 5? Season 4 is possible, seeing how much ground they've covered already this season.


I may be way off, but I could have sworn during a season preview clip they showed a reunion of Rick and Morgan. Or maybe I completely made that up in my head. Damn, the phone is ringing now...
 
2012-11-19 02:37:38 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I didn't see any spoilers about Glenn and Maggie in the article.

So I will just post this instead.

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Well I thank you for that. You sir, are a patriot!
 
2012-11-19 02:42:38 PM  

peter21: The Banana Thug: KellyX: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x327]

I'm still hoping they bring Morgan back, I also like that actor.

*****SPOILER ALERT*****


In the comics, they do come across the character again, when Rick visits his hometown on an errand and checks on Morgan. If the show follows suit, I'd guess it would happen around the beginning of season 5? Season 4 is possible, seeing how much ground they've covered already this season.

I may be way off, but I could have sworn during a season preview clip they showed a reunion of Rick and Morgan. Or maybe I completely made that up in my head. Damn, the phone is ringing now...


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Also...

mybfolder.com
 
2012-11-19 02:43:22 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: That was actually Rick. Morgan was busy keeping his very distraught son quiet. Maybe you're thinking of him viewing her through the scope of the rifle?


Crap. Think you're right.

kumanoki: I think what made Season 1 so good was the emptiness. there was a stark emptiness to the scenes that conveyed that sense that everyone was gone, everyone had fled or turned. It was a powerful scene when Rick finds Morgan and his son because it's his first contact with anyone alive..and to be greeted in such a way, to be handled at arms reach until they were sure, to squat in a neighbors house with the windows boarded and dead loved ones out in the street...it was shocking and powerful- this was going to be life post-coma for Rick. And Morgan's sadness and grief and anger would play out over and over and over again for Rick in everything he did from that point forward. That was powerful. I think that's why so many poeple want to see Morgan again.

But I don't know if we can go back to those quiet scenes, you know? The cat is out of the bag. People are forming groups, groups are forming societies, and the zombie threat is understood, at least in a rudimentary way. Rick isn't going to say something for the fallen undead anymore. He's moved way beyond that, to the point that the half-zombie in the park seems like a quaint scene now.


Good points, all well said. It seems like all zombie encounters are now LOUD and SUDDEN, but I could really go for those quiet "is anyone there" scenes, like you're a kid hiding in bed and you see a mysterious shadow move somewhere. Less is sometimes more. Right now, it's full-on gorefest, which I definitely don't mind. But maybe some contrasting balance, some "Paranormal Activities" moments and some "Hostel" moments, which season 1 did well.
 
2012-11-19 02:44:08 PM  

Cletus C.: They've succeeded in making Michonne an incredibly unlikeable character. I know, I know. Comic book blah, blah. But what exactly is her redeeming quality? That she took in Andrea and nursed her back to health? That relationship seems like Lenny and the mouse.

She's not a great conversationalist. Her brooding, grunting hyper paranoid shiat doesn't make her the ideal dinner party guest. Now, we'll probably have half an episode of her deciding if she can trust Rick and gang. Ugh. The governor is far more interesting. Tapping Andrea was nice work.

Michonne's got to go. Throw her in a biter pit with a dinner fork for a weapon. Great fun.


Michonne already knows she can trust Rick and the gang simply because they don't trust Merle. That's why she had the basket with the formula. It's like a peace offering.
 
2012-11-19 02:46:48 PM  

EyeballKid: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: EyeballKid: Did anybody else listen to Rick's dialogue in this episode and think that maybe this season Rick yells the signature line? (No, not "Shut the fark up, Lori.")

"..."?

It's from the comic book. I'm trying not to ruin for anybody who may not have read it yet.


That scene might have been the low point in the comic book. I almost stopped reading right there. "Why yes, Captain Obvious, we all knew that.". Fortunately, things got better.
 
2012-11-19 02:50:56 PM  
If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.
 
2012-11-19 02:56:47 PM  

Cletus C.: If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.


And Andreas, and her sisters, and loris, and the chick on the wall with the bow...
 
2012-11-19 02:57:57 PM  

AntonChigger: Cletus C.: If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.

And Andreas, and her sisters, and loris, and the chick on the wall with the bow...


Ugh... probably means they're not shaving anything at this point either...
 
2012-11-19 03:00:08 PM  

KellyX: Ugh... probably means they're not shaving anything at this point either...


slowly pan up...a pair of legs sticking out from under a dirty sheet...you think they are daryl's but they are actually carol's...
 
2012-11-19 03:02:47 PM  

EyeballKid: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: EyeballKid: Did anybody else listen to Rick's dialogue in this episode and think that maybe this season Rick yells the signature line? (No, not "Shut the fark up, Lori.")

"..."?

It's from the comic book. I'm trying not to ruin for anybody who may not have read it yet.


I wasn't trying to draw you out to say it, just when I hear "signature line" it makes me think of Robert Kirkman's overuse of ellipses in the comics. Seriously, I've really enjoyed his writing but "..." is not a statement. A panel of someone's blank stare is a lot more effective than a speech balloon of "..." i know he isn't the first to use it in a comic but it only got worse reading Rise of the Governor and seeing "'...' said Philip"

As for this quote, if you mean what I think you mean I hope you're wrong for all our sake.
 
2012-11-19 03:05:28 PM  

Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.


So there's no stopping in a red zone?
 
2012-11-19 03:06:15 PM  

KellyX: AntonChigger: Cletus C.: If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.

And Andreas, and her sisters, and loris, and the chick on the wall with the bow...

Ugh... probably means they're not shaving anything at this point either...


Hey if Tdog and 2dog can still shave their heads after all this time why are the women precluded from owning razors?
 
2012-11-19 03:07:07 PM  
Two-dog's character in the comic isn't as nice as he plays out to be. Also, there is talk of Tyrese also debuting on the show. With those two, and Morgan, that's an awful lot of black guys on the show...Merle might die of an aneurysm from the shock of seeing all the color in that group.

Yes, I'm kidding.

I think Merle will have a redemptive moment. He will show up to see Daryl, and will be pushed away b/c he's still the same guy. Then the Govorner will show up at the prison, and it will be Merle that saves them all, killing the Gov and dying in the process.

Also the Rollie Fingers prison was very sick in the comic. Very.
 
2012-11-19 03:07:26 PM  

The Banana Thug: Mike Chewbacca: That was actually Rick. Morgan was busy keeping his very distraught son quiet. Maybe you're thinking of him viewing her through the scope of the rifle?

Crap. Think you're right.kumanoki: I think what made Season 1 so good was the emptiness. there was a stark emptiness to the scenes that conveyed that sense that everyone was gone, everyone had fled or turned. It was a powerful scene when Rick finds Morgan and his son because it's his first contact with anyone alive..and to be greeted in such a way, to be handled at arms reach until they were sure, to squat in a neighbors house with the windows boarded and dead loved ones out in the street...it was shocking and powerful- this was going to be life post-coma for Rick. And Morgan's sadness and grief and anger would play out over and over and over again for Rick in everything he did from that point forward. That was powerful. I think that's why so many poeple want to see Morgan again.

But I don't know if we can go back to those quiet scenes, you know? The cat is out of the bag. People are forming groups, groups are forming societies, and the zombie threat is understood, at least in a rudimentary way. Rick isn't going to say something for the fallen undead anymore. He's moved way beyond that, to the point that the half-zombie in the park seems like a quaint scene now.

Good points, all well said. It seems like all zombie encounters are now LOUD and SUDDEN, but I could really go for those quiet "is anyone there" scenes, like you're a kid hiding in bed and you see a mysterious shadow move somewhere. Less is sometimes more. Right now, it's full-on gorefest, which I definitely don't mind. But maybe some contrasting balance, some "Paranormal Activities" moments and some "Hostel" moments, which season 1 did well.


There was a bit of that in the daycare building. That was probably due in part to the fact that if they had found anything gory in that particular setting, it would have been really farked up. The best option would have been zombie toddlers. They could have easily found zombie daycare workers feasting on babies.
 
2012-11-19 03:08:50 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?


The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.
 
2012-11-19 03:12:11 PM  

Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.


This is because I made you get a zombie abortion, isn't it?
 
2012-11-19 03:13:11 PM  

The Banana Thug: that bosnian sniper: Hebalo: Well, good point. I'll be happy if they do continue it. It was a great conceit from the comic books, and it would be a really effective way to see Rick's mental state, struggle etc. Might have been more effective if they had drawn out the possibility that it was someone real on the other end for a while.

I get the feeling it'll be a recurring, but not typical, thing. I suspect they'll leave it for times of extreme stress for Rick, as a coping mechanism. I doubt it'll be a "once per episode" thing, maybe more like once or twice a season.

Now, spoiler stuff.

The Banana Thug: In the comics, they do come across the character again, when Rick visits his hometown on an errand and checks on Morgan. If the show follows suit, I'd guess it would happen around the beginning of season 5? Season 4 is possible, seeing how much ground they've covered already this season.

Considering the way they diverge and come back to the comics' story line, I suspect after the Woodbury conflict is over the entire group will head north for some reason...maybe to get away from the herd. When Rick and Carl head to Kentucky in the comics, the herd becomes a pretty major plot point for a while. The show's creators have already foreshadowed it, showed it at one point (the end of season 2) and alluded to it throughout season 3 thus far.

I can't see the group not being on their way to the Alexandria safe zone by the end of season 4, so I'd tag Morgan's return in early season 4 personally. Which, as a corollary, means New T-Dog's life span is six, maybe eight, more episodes.

Is it horde or herd? The reference to a "red zone" last night definitely got my attention, so you might be right. If season 4 consists entirely of the group constantly on the run from a menacing and unrelenting zombie horde (think Terminator 1 or 2), that would be pure awesome. No prison, no Woodbury, no farm - just constantly on the run to stay a step ahead.


You heard of zombees, right? Well a herd of em is chasin' me.
 
2012-11-19 03:13:14 PM  

Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.


Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!
 
2012-11-19 03:21:08 PM  

FinFangFark: Two-dog's character in the comic isn't as nice as he plays out to be. Also, there is talk of Tyrese also debuting on the show. With those two, and Morgan, that's an awful lot of black guys on the show...Merle might die of an aneurysm from the shock of seeing all the color in that group.

Yes, I'm kidding.

I think Merle will have a redemptive moment. He will show up to see Daryl, and will be pushed away b/c he's still the same guy. Then the Govorner will show up at the prison, and it will be Merle that saves them all, killing the Gov and dying in the process.

Also the Rollie Fingers prison was very sick in the comic. Very.


I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.
 
2012-11-19 03:23:28 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: FinFangFark: Two-dog's character in the comic isn't as nice as he plays out to be. Also, there is talk of Tyrese also debuting on the show. With those two, and Morgan, that's an awful lot of black guys on the show...Merle might die of an aneurysm from the shock of seeing all the color in that group.

Yes, I'm kidding.

I think Merle will have a redemptive moment. He will show up to see Daryl, and will be pushed away b/c he's still the same guy. Then the Govorner will show up at the prison, and it will be Merle that saves them all, killing the Gov and dying in the process.

Also the Rollie Fingers prison was very sick in the comic. Very.

I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.


I meant their character equivalents. I couldn't remember their counterpart's names, and was too lazy to look up. And there was a theory that T-Dawg was a modified version of Tyrese.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:17 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: slippers


You know what slippers are great for? Making less noise when walking.
Why would you concern yourself with making less noise? Who would you not want hearing you? Walkers? Sure. Anybody else?
 
2012-11-19 03:35:31 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.

Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!


Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again.
 
2012-11-19 03:36:25 PM  

kumanoki: Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.

It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.


Hey! I love that movie, and he is one of the reasons why.

Some women like sensitive guys.

=]
 
2012-11-19 03:36:34 PM  

EyeballKid: Big Beef Burrito: slippers

You know what slippers are great for? Making less noise when walking.
Why would you concern yourself with making less noise? Who would you not want hearing you? Walkers? Sure. Anybody else?


The writers, if you're the black guy of the moment
 
2012-11-19 03:36:55 PM  

PsyLord: Nononono....don't kill off the only Asian dude on the show (evil Glenn doesn't count). Plus hope nothing happens to Maggie.


Glenn is PROBABLY going to be okay. I think they need to keep him around until they eventually get around to the group meeting up with Negan.
 
2012-11-19 03:37:00 PM  
Seems like there are a lot of commercial breaks.

One week there was 38 mins of show and 22 mins of commercials.
 
2012-11-19 03:40:18 PM  

clapdrix: Galileo's Daughter: Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.

Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!

Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again.


Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
 
2012-11-19 03:42:51 PM  

EyeballKid: Big Beef Burrito: slippers

You know what slippers are great for? Making less noise when walking.
Why would you concern yourself with making less noise? Who would you not want hearing you? Walkers? Sure. Anybody else?


Fffffarm ... girls?
 
2012-11-19 03:43:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: PsyLord: Nononono....don't kill off the only Asian dude on the show (evil Glenn doesn't count). Plus hope nothing happens to Maggie.

Glenn is PROBABLY going to be okay. I think they need to keep him around until they eventually get around to the group meeting up with Negan.


Not looking forward to that...
 
2012-11-19 03:44:46 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.


If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.
 
2012-11-19 03:46:52 PM  
For some reason, when I watched the episode last night I took the "red zone" as a football metaphor for Merle's chase of Michonne. Since he grazed her with the gun shot, I thought he was trying to encourage the new guy to keep hunting because they almost had Michonne down.
 
2012-11-19 03:49:47 PM  

Summoner101: For some reason, when I watched the episode last night I took the "red zone" as a football metaphor for Merle's chase of Michonne. Since he grazed her with the gun shot, I thought he was trying to encourage the new guy to keep hunting because they almost had Michonne down.


Considering the context was him saying "Screw this, let's just go home and tell the boss we got her. He'll never know the difference" I get the feeling you misread it. Definitely an interesting moment, though. Merle clearly isn't totally loyal to the Governor. He's still very much out for himself, and it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
2012-11-19 03:53:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: PsyLord: Nononono....don't kill off the only Asian dude on the show (evil Glenn doesn't count). Plus hope nothing happens to Maggie.

Glenn is PROBABLY going to be okay. I think they need to keep him around until they eventually get around to the group meeting up with Negan.


I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."
 
2012-11-19 03:54:54 PM  

Soulcatcher: kumanoki: Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.

It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.

Hey! I love that movie, and he is one of the reasons why.

Some women like sensitive guys.

=]


Oh, come ON. He even had the weepy, tortured eyes and everything.

/OK, he was sad puppydog cute
//Keira Knightly needs to eat something
///Anything
 
2012-11-19 04:04:10 PM  

Mad_Radhu: clapdrix: Galileo's Daughter: Celerian: Galileo's Daughter: Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.

So there's no stopping in a red zone?

The red zone's always been for biting and consuming. There is no stopping in the white zone.

Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!

Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again.

Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.


It's really the only sensible thing to do, if its done safely. Therapeutically there's no danger involved.
 
2012-11-19 04:05:49 PM  

Soulcatcher: kumanoki: Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.

It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.

Hey! I love that movie, and he is one of the reasons why.

Some women like sensitive guys.

=]


Can we settle for a happy medium between Andrew Lincoln's character in Love, Actually and Rawhead Rex from the other thread?
 
2012-11-19 04:09:19 PM  

NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."


Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.
 
2012-11-19 04:13:04 PM  

The Banana Thug: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.

If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.


Hershel only has so many daughters! I'd like to think that between Sophia being gone and swapping Maggie for Michonne to avoid the unfortunate implications (well at least the racial one) that the remaining girls of the group aren't going to be unceremoniously bumped off. The darker turn of this season has already been great and probably just gets better but I'd hope nothing happens to Beth if only to keep Carl this side of rational while his father goes through his crazy phase. after this season I'm pretty sure all bets are off though.

What I'm really interested to see is how long the show takes going through the different series arcs considering the pace it needs to stay engaging versus all the scenes i keep hearing have been cut. The comics seemed to bounce frequently between being action heavy to settling in/scavenging/rebuilding/discussing etc. Given the costs in actors salaries I wouldn't doubt we keep seeing new characters get Otis'd out after an episode or two a piece.
 
2012-11-19 04:15:18 PM  

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


#100 pissed me off to no end. I remember there were rumors that #100 would have the ultimate shocker of Rick being the one who died...and the previous issue covers let you to believe it could be Andrea.

I bet like having the Gov cutting off Rick's arm, Kirkman will regret what he did in #100.
 
2012-11-19 04:17:46 PM  

Sybarite: Dreyelle: Someone who's read the graphic novels please explain the "red zone".


The red zone is for immediate biting and consuming of survivors only.


OK I laughed.
 
2012-11-19 04:18:08 PM  

The Banana Thug: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.

If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.


let's not forget the really odd sequence with Jim's twins, and what happened. But that really didn't bother me as the moments you've mentioned...I kinda felt that was a justified story based on all the trauma the kids are going through.
 
2012-11-19 04:18:23 PM  

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Alexandria. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


FTFY

Otherwise agreed on all counts.
 
2012-11-19 04:19:20 PM  

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
/Dr. Jennifer McCarthy approves
 
2012-11-19 04:21:50 PM  

The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.


I don't think the TV show needs to end with tying up loose ends. My ideal way for the show to end is one of two ways:
1) Over the course of the next few seasons, Rick's group goes through the cycle of finding a possible safe haven only to have it overrun two times after the prison. The finale has everybody currently in the group, except Rick and Carl, killed off. The show then shows Rick and Carl walking down a desolate road together into the sunset, only to repeat the cycle all over again. Fade to black.

2) Carl dies in one of the last few episodes, followed by Rick in the finale. The show ends with Rick coming back as a walker and wondering around.

The show should end emphasizing the point that there are not always answers and the only sure thing is that you're never really safe in the zombie apocalypse.
 
2012-11-19 04:24:44 PM  

NeoCortex42: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

I don't think the TV show needs to end with tying up loose ends. My ideal way for the show to end is one of two ways:
1) Over the course of the next few seasons, Rick's group goes through the cycle of finding a possible safe haven only to have it overrun two times after the prison. The finale has everybody currently in the group, except Rick and Carl, killed off. The show then shows Rick and Carl walking down a desolate road together into the sunset, only to repeat the cycle all over again. Fade to black.

2) Carl dies in one of the last few episodes, followed by Rick in the finale. The show ends with Rick coming back as a walker and wondering around.

The show should end emphasizing the point that there are not always answers and the only sure thing is that you're never really safe in the zombie apocalypse.


So...the Stephen King ending?
 
2012-11-19 04:26:59 PM  

FinFangFark: The Banana Thug: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.

If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.

let's not forget the really odd sequence with Jim's twins, and what happened. But that really didn't bother me as the moments you've mentioned...I kinda felt that was a justified story based on all the trauma the kids are going through.


Oh yea, Jim's twins... That wasn't so much as a sickening stomach-punch as it was a "what the farkity fark!" moment for me.

You know how comics kill off superheroes and bring them back to life to bring in additional revenues every few months? Well, Kirkman does that by coming up with "what horrible shiat can I come up with for these characters for no good reason?" Issue #100 was a perfect example of that.
 
2012-11-19 04:28:34 PM  

FinFangFark: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

#100 pissed me off to no end. I remember there were rumors that #100 would have the ultimate shocker of Rick being the one who died...and the previous issue covers let you to believe it could be Andrea.

I bet like having the Gov cutting off Rick's arm, Kirkman will regret what he did in #100.


Budgetary reasons preclude Ricks arm from being chopped off.
 
2012-11-19 04:35:31 PM  

mcreadyblue: Budgetary reasons preclude Ricks arm from being chopped off


How will they handle the effects of Michonne's and the Governor's reunion?
 
2012-11-19 04:36:24 PM  

NeoCortex42: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

I don't think the TV show needs to end with tying up loose ends. My ideal way for the show to end is one of two ways:
1) Over the course of the next few seasons, Rick's group goes through the cycle of finding a possible safe haven only to have it overrun two times after the prison. The finale has everybody currently in the group, except Rick and Carl, killed off. The show then shows Rick and Carl walking down a desolate road together into the sunset, only to repeat the cycle all over again. Fade to black.

2) Carl dies in one of the last few episodes, followed by Rick in the finale. The show ends with Rick coming back as a walker and wondering around.

The show should end emphasizing the point that there are not always answers and the only sure thing is that you're never really safe in the zombie apocalypse.


Those are good endings, and consistent with what the show's always been about.

Another idea is similar to season 2 of "Jericho." The survivors thought the whole world went to shiat after a zombie fallout, but it became clear that only a region was affected (Georgia and the east coast), and the remaining survivors stumble upon a functioning society after wandering enough. Maybe throw in a little "The Mist" ending in there too, where Rick goes through a drastic loss, but only moments later he comes across a functional society that could've been the group's permanent safe haven. But I highly doubt Kirkman would ever do this.
 
2012-11-19 04:40:10 PM  

FinFangFark: let's not forget the really odd sequence with Jim's twins, and what happened. But that really didn't bother me as the moments you've mentioned...I kinda felt that was a justified story based on all the trauma the kids are going through.


Allen and Donna's twins, not Jim. Jim's whole family died in Atlanta.

The Banana Thug: Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd.


Agree on 100, but I totally bought 104. **SPOILERS**: Carl's actions are totally in line with a 9-year-old kid, even one growing up in a zombie apocalypse. They don't think through the consequences of his actions. Carl was pissed at his dad, and thought he could be the hero. Kids do this all the time... they don't think the consequences, and have fantasies of how much they will be praised after the fact (even when it's ridiculous). Carl may be a badass now, but we forget he's still a kid, and kids do stupid things.
 
2012-11-19 04:41:48 PM  

mcreadyblue: FinFangFark: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

#100 pissed me off to no end. I remember there were rumors that #100 would have the ultimate shocker of Rick being the one who died...and the previous issue covers let you to believe it could be Andrea.

I bet like having the Gov cutting off Rick's arm, Kirkman will regret what he did in #100.

Budgetary reasons preclude Ricks arm from being chopped off.


Well it's grown back a couple times. Issue 43 and one of the late 90s I believe.

The Banana Thug: FinFangFark: The Banana Thug: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.

If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.

let's not forget the really odd sequence with Jim's twins, and what happened. But that really didn't bother me as the moments you've mentioned...I kinda felt that was a justified story based on all the trauma the kids are going through.

Oh yea, Jim's twins... That wasn't so much as a sickening stomach-punch as it was a "what the farkity fark!" moment for me.

You know how comics kill off superheroes and bring them back to life to bring in additional revenues every few months? Well, Kirkman does that by coming up with "what horrible shiat can I come up with for these characters for no good reason?" Issue #100 was a perfect example of that.


I keep nitpicking but they were Allen and Donna's kids. I get the feeling all this Tyreese-rumour stirring is just a massive trolling when they throw in mopey Allen, prudish Donna and two children with no relevance until the cast needed thinning again.
 
2012-11-19 04:49:51 PM  

The Banana Thug: KellyX: Frankly I don't really look at it as a true herd, they don't even really see a true herd until they hook up with Abrahams if I recall.

You are correct. I think it was Abraham who was explaining to the group what a REAL zombie horde looks like, and how it is formed. The smaller hordes at the beginning of season 2 on the highway and the one that overran the farm are nothing in comparison to a real horde, which I hope is what season 4 will be about.


Yeah, that's "the herd" I'm talking about. Which I think is what they're foreshadowing and alluding to, between the season 2 finale showing how herds originate, all the talk about being surrounded and boxed in by herds, and now this 'red zone' talk. What that says to me, between the lines, is that "the herd" is building up, and when the shiat finally hits the fan between Woodbury and the survivors, it's going to cause Woodbury and the prison both to end up overrun.

Also, what does everyone figure the over/under is on Milton being the TV show's "Eugene"?
 
2012-11-19 04:50:36 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: mcreadyblue: FinFangFark: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

#100 pissed me off to no end. I remember there were rumors that #100 would have the ultimate shocker of Rick being the one who died...and the previous issue covers let you to believe it could be Andrea.

I bet like having the Gov cutting off Rick's arm, Kirkman will regret what he did in #100.

Budgetary reasons preclude Ricks arm from being chopped off.

Well it's grown back a couple times. Issue 43 and one of the late 90s I believe.

The Banana Thug: FinFangFark: The Banana Thug: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I'm just going to come out and address that Oscar wasn't in the comic. You're thinking Dexter and between Tomas and Andrew they pretty much covered his part.

If they can just skip **that** part of the comic for the show... I'd be okay with it. Something tells me they won't, because those characters are still alive and yet not an integral part of the main group. That was one of the four most disturbing moments in the comic, the other three being issue #100, the comic version of how Lori died, and what might happen in the very next episode at Woodsbury.

let's not forget the really odd sequence with Jim's twins, and what happened. But that really didn't bother me as the moments you've mentioned...I kinda felt that was a justified story based on all the trauma the kids are going through. ...


You guys are right about the twins. That's my bad. But you know, in the show, Beth will die, pushing Carl closer to what he's like in the comics, and maybe Allen and the twins show up in Season 4, and we have scenario, leading to Carl becoming the problem solver.

A season 4 Alexandria will be interesting.
 
2012-11-19 05:02:06 PM  

that bosnian sniper: The Banana Thug: KellyX: Frankly I don't really look at it as a true herd, they don't even really see a true herd until they hook up with Abrahams if I recall.

You are correct. I think it was Abraham who was explaining to the group what a REAL zombie horde looks like, and how it is formed. The smaller hordes at the beginning of season 2 on the highway and the one that overran the farm are nothing in comparison to a real horde, which I hope is what season 4 will be about.

Yeah, that's "the herd" I'm talking about. Which I think is what they're foreshadowing and alluding to, between the season 2 finale showing how herds originate, all the talk about being surrounded and boxed in by herds, and now this 'red zone' talk. What that says to me, between the lines, is that "the herd" is building up, and when the shiat finally hits the fan between Woodbury and the survivors, it's going to cause Woodbury and the prison both to end up overrun.

Also, what does everyone figure the over/under is on Milton being the TV show's "Eugene"?


I'm liking that notion, but it would make for trouble motivating the groups movements/introducing Abraham in a similar fashion. Not to mention Eugene definitely had balls, Milton seems lacking.

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Not the obvious choice pic I'd like to post but I'm trying to avoid spoileration.
 
2012-11-19 05:02:38 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Yeah, that's "the herd" I'm talking about. Which I think is what they're foreshadowing and alluding to, between the season 2 finale showing how herds originate, all the talk about being surrounded and boxed in by herds, and now this 'red zone' talk. What that says to me, between the lines, is that "the herd" is building up, and when the shiat finally hits the fan between Woodbury and the survivors, it's going to cause Woodbury and the prison both to end up overrun.


Now that you've connected the dots for me, I'm inclined to agree with you. It's a good way to close out season 3 and set up season 4's main storyline.

that bosnian sniper: Also, what does everyone figure the over/under is on Milton being the TV show's "Eugene"?


**SPOILER**

Highly doubt it! Eugene showed up with Abraham together. There was actually a doctor from the comic's Woodbury that is similar to Milton. There's no way that Milton could pull double duty, character-wise. If season 4 is about getting to Alexandria, you have to remember that *someone* had to talk the group into going there, and that was Abraham and Eugene. Using Milton would preclude that.
 
2012-11-19 05:15:50 PM  

kumanoki: Soulcatcher: kumanoki: Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.

It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.

Hey! I love that movie, and he is one of the reasons why.

Some women like sensitive guys.

=]

Oh, come ON. He even had the weepy, tortured eyes and everything.

/OK, he was sad puppydog cute
//Keira Knightly needs to eat something
///Anything


I'm a big fan of Richard Curtis (since the Blackadder days), and what a damned fine cast he has in that film- Rickman, Neeson, Nighy, Firth, Grant, Emma Thompson, Bilbo =] . It was actually the first time I had seen Andy Lincoln in anything, and I just fell in love with him. Regardless of how his character resounded with you in Love, Actually- you have to admit Lincoln has a very impressive range. He can be a complete ruthless badass in TWD, but in Love, Actually very believably plays this shy lovesick man that can't bring himself to tell the woman he loves how he feels about her until it's WAY too late.

/Dude has some acting chops
//Women are romantics at heart
/// Kiera does need a cheeseburger or 2

=]
 
2012-11-19 05:26:12 PM  

kumanoki: Soulcatcher: kumanoki: Funbags: I finally got around to watching some the "expanded" content and interviews of the cast.

Its hilariously jarring hearing "Rick" talk with a British accent.

It's even more hilariously jarring to watch him douche it up as a complete mangina in Love, Actually.

Hey! I love that movie, and he is one of the reasons why.

Some women like sensitive guys.

=]

Can we settle for a happy medium between Andrew Lincoln's character in Love, Actually and Rawhead Rex from the other thread?


Whenever I hear Rawhead Rex I automatically think of the Clive Barker story, which is horrifying, even though RR on Fark seems like a nice enough guy.

=]
 
2012-11-19 05:40:16 PM  
Here's my prediction: they shake things up a bit and Glenn is the one who gets raped, not Maggie.


PsyLord: So where is the scrawny white prisoner? He appears kinda harmless, but I suspect that he's really dangerous. The way he gut stabbed the zombie during the 2nd episode gave me that impression.


That's Axel. He was working on fixing the generator, iirc.
 
2012-11-19 05:41:12 PM  

The Banana Thug: Highly doubt it! Eugene showed up with Abraham together. There was actually a doctor from the comic's Woodbury that is similar to Milton. There's no way that Milton could pull double duty, character-wise. If season 4 is about getting to Alexandria, you have to remember that *someone* had to talk the group into going there, and that was Abraham and Eugene. Using Milton would preclude that.


I'm really hoping we actually get Abraham in the show. He was a great addition to the group in the comic. It's bad enough that we never really got a Tyrese character thus far.

Now that Carl is in proper asskicking mode, my only real character gripe is Andrea. Not only is she not the badass sniper she should be, her scenes with the Governor are really dragging down the episodes.
 
2012-11-19 05:50:52 PM  

NeoCortex42: Big Beef Burrito: The Banana Thug: My thoughts:

1) I'm disturbed by how seamlessly they replaced T-Dog with that black prisoner. He's even doing that loitering-in-background-saying-nothing thing too. It's taking that "token black guy" to a level of ridiculousness.

What? Oscar is a totally different character. This black guy is bald. He digs holes. He opens and closes gates. He stands in the back of the group. He has few lines.

Aw, Hell....he's O-Dog now.

Well, when you put it like that: He's a ditch-digger and doorman who rides the back of the bus. I guess post-apocalypse Georgia isn't exactly progressive, is it.


Stolen from an earlier thread:

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2012-11-19 05:51:05 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'm really hoping we actually get Abraham in the show. He was a great addition to the group in the comic. It's bad enough that we never really got a Tyrese character thus far.

Now that Carl is in proper asskicking mode, my only real character gripe is Andrea. Not only is she not the badass sniper she should be, her scenes with the Governor are really dragging down the episodes.


Totally agree. T-Dog was supposed to be Tyrese, or at least I thought so, but the writers never fleshed out his character - I think he was written in as a placeholder in the pilot for later character development that never happened. Tyrese was supposed to be this big hulking former NFL player who was Rick's equal, so that's a shame.

Abraham was sort of Tyrese's replacement in the comic, the brawn to Rick's brain, and they really came to respect each other after some initial ugly confrontations.

Andrea has been a major disappointment this season. She's just chewing up way too much scenery, but gotta trust the writers on this since they've done a good job with season 3 so far.
 
2012-11-19 05:54:10 PM  

The Banana Thug: Highly doubt it! Eugene showed up with Abraham together. There was actually a doctor from the comic's Woodbury that is similar to Milton. There's no way that Milton could pull double duty, character-wise. If season 4 is about getting to Alexandria, you have to remember that *someone* had to talk the group into going there, and that was Abraham and Eugene. Using Milton would preclude that.


Well, I think Milton can either man up a bit, or show he had balls the entire time but was being stepped on by the Governor and Merle. His character has room for growth, if he's going to stay in the series longer than the Woodbury arc. How Abraham and Rosita, and the fourth guy, fit in I'm not exactly sure unless they're found along the way or are Woodbury survivors who'd heard about the Alexandria safe zone but got sucked into Woodbury along the way.
 
2012-11-19 05:58:30 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I didn't see any spoilers about Glenn and Maggie in the article.

So I will just post this instead.

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If you ruin this Governor, I will personally hunt you down and find you and when I do, I will kill you.
 
2012-11-19 06:57:56 PM  

Funbags: Walkers obviously have some degree of brain function, and since living things do not smell like themselves, its not unreasonable that they have learned to use their sense of smell to help distinguish targets.


It's pretty unreasonable. So many issues there with decaying flesh that would inhibit the olfactory sense. You really have to put absurd factor of rotting corpses that have the ability to walk and react out of mind during any zombie film to suspend disbelief.
 
2012-11-19 07:23:01 PM  

MayoSlather: Funbags: Walkers obviously have some degree of brain function, and since living things do not smell like themselves, its not unreasonable that they have learned to use their sense of smell to help distinguish targets.

It's pretty unreasonable. So many issues there with decaying flesh that would inhibit the olfactory sense. You really have to put absurd factor of rotting corpses that have the ability to walk and react out of mind during any zombie film to suspend disbelief.


Why is that unreasonable? The little girl zombie in season 1 picked up her teddy bear. Morgan's wife clearly remembered something about that house, and kept trying to get in to her family. If zombies can have rudimentary memories (memories of memories, really), why can't they have a functioning olfactory sense? Besides, i think the show has pretty clearly demonstrated that this is the case, between Rick and Glen's zombie walk of camouflage and last week's similar even with Michonne.
 
2012-11-19 07:27:23 PM  

MayoSlather: Funbags: Walkers obviously have some degree of brain function, and since living things do not smell like themselves, its not unreasonable that they have learned to use their sense of smell to help distinguish targets.

It's pretty unreasonable. So many issues there with decaying flesh that would inhibit the olfactory sense. You really have to put absurd factor of rotting corpses that have the ability to walk and react out of mind during any zombie film to suspend disbelief.


As someone raised in a city, during every trip to a relative's farm, or to a state fair's animal barn, I can't help but wonder how anyone can put up with living around the stench of manure all day. As it turns out, when exposed to it for long enough, you don't even notice it. I used to smoke cigarettes, and the smell never bothered me. Having quit many years ago I can instantly tell if the driver of a passing car is a smoker.

Noticing something that smells entirely different from the norm is not only reasonable, its to be expected. The question is: does it smell like death and rotting everywhere, and that's why the group is so easily surprised when a walker sneaks up on them?
 
2012-11-19 08:17:36 PM  
I smell dead people
 
2012-11-19 08:29:10 PM  

BizarreMan: Funbags: Humans may not have a great olfactory sense, but we can smell very strong odors, such as rotting, decaying flesh and viscera.

And yet Walkers have been able to sneak up on living humans on multiple occasions. Seems to me that by now, the aura of stench around them would be quite profound and far reaching

There was a guy who used to work at my current company who bathed in cologne. You could be sitting 40 feet from the entrance to the break room and as soon as he walked in the door, everybody knew he was there.

Now imagine that instead of whatever cologne he used, it was rotting / decaying flesh. No walkers are gonna sneak up on me unless it's the middle of allergy season.


You've never lived near a farm, have you?

When you visit a farm with cows, for example, you will be offended by the smell of cow shiat. It's ever-present. It's impossible to ignore it when you've just been introduced to it. It's nasty.

After being IN it for a while, though, you may notice that doesn't bug you anymore.

After a while, you don't even notice it. When someone mentions the awful smell to you, you shrug and say, "I guess I got used to it a long time ago."

The same thing applies to corpse smell. Suddenly being exposed to it? It's awful. Living with it day in and day out? You get used to it. It's a background smell and you can't discern the smell of one rotting corpse from another. You certainly can't tell when one's close, because the whole world smells like this now. BILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE ROTTING. There's no place you could go in the populated parts of the world that wouldn't smell of death.

So no, you're not going to smell Mr. Zombie as he walks up behind you. He's blending in with the smells you've been breathing in for the past year, and you don't even notice it anymore.
 
2012-11-19 08:33:08 PM  

Apples01: Are we still pretending that this is a good show?

 
2012-11-19 08:45:33 PM  

AntonChigger: Cletus C.: If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.

And Andreas, and her sisters, and loris, and the chick on the wall with the bow...


Nobody loves Michonne, Jacqui or the Mexican chick. Or Carol.
 
2012-11-19 08:48:38 PM  
Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?
 
2012-11-19 08:48:53 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: AntonChigger: Cletus C.: If the show was on HBO or Showtime I am confident we would have seen Maggie's nipples by now.

And Andreas, and her sisters, and loris, and the chick on the wall with the bow...

Nobody loves Michonne, Jacqui or the Mexican chick. Or Carol.


I would not turn down the opportunity to see Michonne, Jacqui or Carol's nipples. I'm not sure what Mexican chick you're referring to, but I'm sure her nipples would not offend me.
 
2012-11-19 08:49:45 PM  

Summoner101: For some reason, when I watched the episode last night I took the "red zone" as a football metaphor for Merle's chase of Michonne. Since he grazed her with the gun shot, I thought he was trying to encourage the new guy to keep hunting because they almost had Michonne down.


Merle shot that boy because the boy wanted to continue to chase after Michonne. Merle mentioned the Red Zone in order to say Michonne was as good as dead. Merle didn't want to risk his life after what happened to Short Round and the other dude. Merle is bluster (because he had so much shiat to say to the kid when the kid was vomiting before). But Merle also had a point about how dangerous it would be to chase after Michonne. Merle just shouldn't have insisted on lying to the Governor about it.

Would have been a nice sports metaphor, though, all the same.
 
2012-11-19 08:56:10 PM  

Funbags: MayoSlather: Funbags: Walkers obviously have some degree of brain function, and since living things do not smell like themselves, its not unreasonable that they have learned to use their sense of smell to help distinguish targets.

It's pretty unreasonable. So many issues there with decaying flesh that would inhibit the olfactory sense. You really have to put absurd factor of rotting corpses that have the ability to walk and react out of mind during any zombie film to suspend disbelief.

As someone raised in a city, during every trip to a relative's farm, or to a state fair's animal barn, I can't help but wonder how anyone can put up with living around the stench of manure all day. As it turns out, when exposed to it for long enough, you don't even notice it. I used to smoke cigarettes, and the smell never bothered me. Having quit many years ago I can instantly tell if the driver of a passing car is a smoker.

Noticing something that smells entirely different from the norm is not only reasonable, its to be expected. The question is: does it smell like death and rotting everywhere, and that's why the group is so easily surprised when a walker sneaks up on them?


That was the point I was trying to make, too. I think it WOULD smell like decaying flesh just about everywhere. At least for a while. If only 10% of the population survived, you're still talking about billions of people rotting, not buried, many of them mobile.

Yes, it smells like death everywhere, and it will for a long time.

Also, it's not that walkers track by smell... I think they track by sound more than anything else, but if the source of the sound smells like them, they ignore it. If it doesn't, and it turns out to be alive, they bite it.

The main problem with zombie stories is that there's absolutely no logical reason why a walking corpse would make eating its priority, or why biting the living would be an instinct they couldn't resist.

But then, as I keep saying, zombies now are what vampires were in old folklore (rotting undead people who rise from the grave craving blood and flesh), and vampires now are actually updates of the succubus/incubus. Zombies used to be mindless slaves (Voodoo zombies) that weren't actually dead, but near-dead and brainwashed. Between Stoker, Romero, and Rice, the lore got all twisted around.
 
2012-11-19 08:58:08 PM  

Omahawg: I smell dead people


Couldn't they just wear lots of cologne, or use cologne bombs to mask their scent? Guts. Why'd it have to be guts?
 
2012-11-19 08:58:15 PM  

pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?


Atlanta has nearly 500,000 people living within it.
Add in the surrounding areas.
Zombies tend to move in groups towards wherever noise leads them.
Herds are zombie lemmings.

There are a lot of zombie lemmings in a post-ZA world.

God help the residents of a NYC, LA or Mexico City.
 
2012-11-19 08:58:59 PM  
I agree that I would enjoy michonne getting naked. but only for the necessity of the plot and artistic goodness and all. yes yes yes

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xcv
2012-11-19 08:59:13 PM  

pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?


pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?


It's explained well in the comic. They're completely decentralized groups with no leaders obviously. One zombie detects stimuli and pursues it, neighboring zombies notice that zombie moving and they react in a similar manner, the effect snowballs until huge herds exist that stretch out for days the way the plains buffalo once did. The original stimuli no longer matters, the movement of the herd itself is what draws in more followers.
 
2012-11-19 08:59:44 PM  

pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?


One zombie attracts another zombie, they walk, they attract another, they walk together, eventually you got large groups of them, then a gun shot goes off, they all start heading to that sound, meet up, form a bigger group, keep walking towards the sound, meet more zombies, they keep following each other as they shift and move towards loud sounds, until you got 10's of thousands of them...
 
xcv
2012-11-19 09:02:16 PM  

The Banana Thug: that bosnian sniper: Yeah, that's "the herd" I'm talking about. Which I think is what they're foreshadowing and alluding to, between the season 2 finale showing how herds originate, all the talk about being surrounded and boxed in by herds, and now this 'red zone' talk. What that says to me, between the lines, is that "the herd" is building up, and when the shiat finally hits the fan between Woodbury and the survivors, it's going to cause Woodbury and the prison both to end up overrun.

Now that you've connected the dots for me, I'm inclined to agree with you. It's a good way to close out season 3 and set up season 4's main storyline.

that bosnian sniper: Also, what does everyone figure the over/under is on Milton being the TV show's "Eugene"?

**SPOILER**

Highly doubt it! Eugene showed up with Abraham together. There was actually a doctor from the comic's Woodbury that is similar to Milton. There's no way that Milton could pull double duty, character-wise. If season 4 is about getting to Alexandria, you have to remember that *someone* had to talk the group into going there, and that was Abraham and Eugene. Using Milton would preclude that.


Except Milton has the Governor believing in his 'experiments' that require huge amounts of power, probably parallels SPOILERS Eugene's BSing to everybody about being a government scientist on a crucial mission.
 
2012-11-19 09:29:53 PM  

KellyX: pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?

One zombie attracts another zombie, they walk, they attract another, they walk together, eventually you got large groups of them, then a gun shot goes off, they all start heading to that sound, meet up, form a bigger group, keep walking towards the sound, meet more zombies, they keep following each other as they shift and move towards loud sounds, until you got 10's of thousands of them...


Arm in arm, forming a chorus line...
 
2012-11-19 09:35:07 PM  

born_yesterday: KellyX: pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?

One zombie attracts another zombie, they walk, they attract another, they walk together, eventually you got large groups of them, then a gun shot goes off, they all start heading to that sound, meet up, form a bigger group, keep walking towards the sound, meet more zombies, they keep following each other as they shift and move towards loud sounds, until you got 10's of thousands of them...

Arm in arm, forming a chorus line...


Basically, only they moan instead of sing =)
 
2012-11-19 09:41:20 PM  
FTA: This was the episode which revealed Michonne to be a true bada-

-bing?
 
2012-11-19 10:05:30 PM  

KellyX: pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?

One zombie attracts another zombie, they walk, they attract another, they walk together, eventually you got large groups of them, then a gun shot goes off, they all start heading to that sound, meet up, form a bigger group, keep walking towards the sound, meet more zombies, they keep following each other as they shift and move towards loud sounds, until you got 10's of thousands of them...


I'd love to see a character arc of someone that sought/fought to set up a broadcast system in a city. I know, the power grid would have to be written in as to why it functioned, or use batteries, or have it be a large conglomerate of humans. But to see someone set up a semi-permanent sound source, to attract walkers for many miles would be cool. And then they fly away from the epicenter using a hang-glider...Anyways, a boy can dream [at least it ain't a rape fantasy]
 
2012-11-19 11:26:34 PM  

born_yesterday: KellyX: pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?

One zombie attracts another zombie, they walk, they attract another, they walk together, eventually you got large groups of them, then a gun shot goes off, they all start heading to that sound, meet up, form a bigger group, keep walking towards the sound, meet more zombies, they keep following each other as they shift and move towards loud sounds, until you got 10's of thousands of them...

I'd love to see a character arc of someone that sought/fought to set up a broadcast system in a city. I know, the power grid would have to be written in as to why it functioned, or use batteries, or have it be a large conglomerate of humans. But to see someone set up a semi-permanent sound source, to attract walkers for many miles would be cool. And then they fly away from the epicenter using a hang-glider...Anyways, a boy can dream [at least it ain't a rape fantasy]


The great thing about TWD is that it's a sandbox universe that could be shared by other groups of survivors for different spin-offs and mediums. They're already doing this with the Walking Dead video game and "The Rise of the Governor" book. I'd definitely love to see that idea, like a TV movie or something.
 
2012-11-20 12:32:40 AM  

The Banana Thug: born_yesterday: KellyX: pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?

One zombie attracts another zombie, they walk, they attract another, they walk together, eventually you got large groups of them, then a gun shot goes off, they all start heading to that sound, meet up, form a bigger group, keep walking towards the sound, meet more zombies, they keep following each other as they shift and move towards loud sounds, until you got 10's of thousands of them...

I'd love to see a character arc of someone that sought/fought to set up a broadcast system in a city. I know, the power grid would have to be written in as to why it functioned, or use batteries, or have it be a large conglomerate of humans. But to see someone set up a semi-permanent sound source, to attract walkers for many miles would be cool. And then they fly away from the epicenter using a hang-glider...Anyways, a boy can dream [at least it ain't a rape fantasy]

The great thing about TWD is that it's a sandbox universe that could be shared by other groups of survivors for different spin-offs and mediums. They're already doing this with the Walking Dead video game and "The Rise of the Governor" book. I'd definitely love to see that idea, like a TV movie or something.


Zomie-undead brofist:
 
2012-11-20 09:21:50 AM  

that bosnian sniper: Shazam999: Current guy is U-Dog. Next black person will be V-Dog and so on.

I'm just waiting for New T-Dog to be quietly and unceremoniously written out and replaced by Ann Veal, just to see how many episodes it takes for viewers to notice.


What? Is she funny or something?
 
2012-11-20 09:44:21 AM  

NeoCortex42: The Banana Thug: NeoCortex42: I hope they don't go the comic route with Negan. Issue #100 was basically "It's out hundredth issue, let's due something SHOCKING."

Agreed. #100 and #104 both border on absurd. By that point, I would be okay if the show takes a total departure from the comic, right around when the group reaches Arlington. **SPOILER** A lot of the stuff gets very repetitive after that point - "Oh look here's a safe place, let's stay here and reinforce it! Oh noes, we're overrun! Evacuate, repeat again." The show should target for about 6 seasons, with a tie-up-all-loose-ends conclusion about why we're all infected and how.

I don't think the TV show needs to end with tying up loose ends. My ideal way for the show to end is one of two ways:
1) Over the course of the next few seasons, Rick's group goes through the cycle of finding a possible safe haven only to have it overrun two times after the prison. The finale has everybody currently in the group, except Rick and Carl, killed off. The show then shows Rick and Carl walking down a desolate road together into the sunset, only to repeat the cycle all over again. Fade to black.

2) Carl dies in one of the last few episodes, followed by Rick in the finale. The show ends with Rick coming back as a walker and wondering around.

The show should end emphasizing the point that there are not always answers and the only sure thing is that you're never really safe in the zombie apocalypse.


The show should end with Rick and Carl sitting in a restaurant. They're road-weary and have stopped to eat from their dwindling supplies. Rick is flipping through the table-top juke box. Don't Stop Believin' plays in the background. The bell on the door jingles. Fade to black.
 
2012-11-20 05:33:59 PM  

born_yesterday: KellyX: pivazena: Can somebody explain the idea of the zombie herds?

One zombie attracts another zombie, they walk, they attract another, they walk together, eventually you got large groups of them, then a gun shot goes off, they all start heading to that sound, meet up, form a bigger group, keep walking towards the sound, meet more zombies, they keep following each other as they shift and move towards loud sounds, until you got 10's of thousands of them...

I'd love to see a character arc of someone that sought/fought to set up a broadcast system in a city. I know, the power grid would have to be written in as to why it functioned, or use batteries, or have it be a large conglomerate of humans. But to see someone set up a semi-permanent sound source, to attract walkers for many miles would be cool. And then they fly away from the epicenter using a hang-glider...Anyways, a boy can dream [at least it ain't a rape fantasy]


There's a pretty good series of zombie apocalypse books where the struggling remains of the government decides to place huge noise makers in some of the abandoned cities, give the herds time to congregate, then nukes those cities.

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