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(Talking Points Memo)   The GOP underground--those who support things like same-sex marriage, womens' rights, and higher taxes on the rich--is emerging from the shadows. No word on why they just don't join the Democratic party   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 131
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2012-11-19 08:30:22 AM  
Because they still cling to guns and religion.
 
2012-11-19 08:32:52 AM  
Because Democratic foks are D****. Or because not that long ago What the Dems stand for (now) was where the repubs were standing.
 
2012-11-19 08:33:08 AM  
Because their parents were Republicans.
 
2012-11-19 08:36:15 AM  

way south: Because they still cling to guns and religion.


And fear socialism and/or believe in supply side econ.
 
2012-11-19 08:37:05 AM  
Because in the long run their goal is to trim the government.. which isn't even the democrats vocabulary.
 
2012-11-19 08:37:11 AM  
There is still that concept of reducing the footprint of the federal govt.
 
2012-11-19 08:37:23 AM  

way south: Because they still cling to guns and religion.


And they're racists
 
2012-11-19 08:37:30 AM  
If by this point they haven't already picked up on the fact that the Republican party hates them and doesn't want them around, they probably never will.

/ What I'm saying is that they're not very perceptive
 
2012-11-19 08:38:51 AM  
That's more or less what I did. Well, technically I am still registered unaffiliated, but I voted straight ticket Democrat last time. I made the mistake in my youth of believing that the Republican party actually stood for what they said they stood for. When that didn't pan out, well there's not really anywhere else to go in this country. I still lean right on some issues, but I can not support a party that is actively hostile to the interests of people I care about.
 
2012-11-19 08:39:22 AM  

dwrash: Because in the long run their goal is to trim the government.. which isn't even the democrats vocabulary.


monoski: There is still that concept of reducing the footprint of the federal govt.


You two might want to research which party actually reduces government.
 
2012-11-19 08:39:25 AM  
I wish the honest ones luck. I finally left the party after decades of voting Democratic. I think I gave up when I realized my states' two most important Republican senators were tied directly to the Mafia.

The dishonest ones, the ones that want to put a "good face" on an otherwise barbaric group of a-holes deserve a special place in hell. One of the reasons why "you know who" was able to rise to power was his ability to shelve that "let's kill all the Jews and slaughter millions of people in the East" until his "nice" campaign managed to get him put into power.
 
2012-11-19 08:39:32 AM  

monoski: There is still that concept of reducing the footprint of the federal govt.


Yes, because Republicans' track record in that regard is stellar.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-19 08:39:38 AM  
"...same-sex marriage, womens' rights, and higher taxes on the rich... No word on why they just don't join the Democratic party"

Well.. because what we see is faux conservatism. My grandfather was a local republican politician and these have nothing to do with his belief system.

(at least subby didn't say "democrat party")
 
2012-11-19 08:40:12 AM  
oi50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-19 08:40:44 AM  

nekom: That's more or less what I did. Well, technically I am still registered unaffiliated, but I voted straight ticket Democrat last time. I made the mistake in my youth of believing that the Republican party actually stood for what they said they stood for. When that didn't pan out, well there's not really anywhere else to go in this country. I still lean right on some issues, but I can not support a party that is actively hostile to the interests of people I care about.


This accurately describes me except I never vote straight any ticket there are always 3rd party choices that appear reasonably sane.
 
2012-11-19 08:40:56 AM  

nekom: That's more or less what I did. Well, technically I am still registered unaffiliated, but I voted straight ticket Democrat last time. I made the mistake in my youth of believing that the Republican party actually stood for what they said they stood for. When that didn't pan out, well there's not really anywhere else to go in this country. I still lean right on some issues, but I can not support a party that is actively hostile to the interests of people I care about.


Just out of curiosity and because you are one of my favorited reasonable conservatives, which issues do you lean right on?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-19 08:41:04 AM  

theknuckler_33: monoski: There is still that concept of reducing the footprint of the federal govt.

Yes, because Republicans' track record in that regard is stellar.


We don't have responsible journalists now that question these platitudes. The GOP is all for big government as long it's the part of government they like... the military, regulations on personal behavior, etc...
 
2012-11-19 08:41:50 AM  
Because fixing the problem from the inside is the only way to make a lasting effect
 
2012-11-19 08:43:10 AM  

Spaz-master: Because fixing the problem from the inside is the only way to make a lasting effect


This argument I actually understand. I hope you succeed.
 
2012-11-19 08:43:24 AM  

ginandbacon: dwrash: Because in the long run their goal is to trim the government.. which isn't even the democrats vocabulary.

monoski: There is still that concept of reducing the footprint of the federal govt.

You two might want to research which party actually reduces government.


They keep drinking that Kool-Aid. Let's be honest here people. Big business loves big government. Nothing loves sucking on the government teet like big business despite what republicans like to say about "welfare queens".
 
2012-11-19 08:43:26 AM  
Because Nancy Pelosi is ugly?

/got nuthin
 
2012-11-19 08:43:37 AM  
images.politico.com

The order is given. EXTERMINATUS!
 
2012-11-19 08:45:15 AM  

theknuckler_33: Yes, because Republicans' track record in that regard is stellar.


Hey, it's not bad at all, when it comes to reducing the footprint. Defense contractors only employ 1/3 of the people that the federal government could directly for the exact same expenditures. Funneling most of the money to executives makes for a far smaller footprint! It's not like we have any federal personnel shortages in places VA hospitals, USDA testing labs, immigration centers with 10-year backlogs for green card applications, etc... Because more government employees would just be horrible.
 
2012-11-19 08:46:06 AM  

ginandbacon: Just out of curiosity and because you are one of my favorited reasonable conservatives, which issues do you lean right on?


Mostly energy policy, though even that is evolving a bit. I'm not willfully ignorant, so I agree with the scientific consensus that global warming is quite real, but on the other hand, I just don't see Americans as ever giving up our current energy usage. Actually, the problem isn't that we're running out of oil, the problem is that we AREN'T and won't for some time, making economic pressures insufficient to force green energy, so perhaps the government SHOULD compel the market somehow. I also believe that the rich should pay more in taxes, but it has to be balanced. Calling them "job creators" is a bit of a stretch, but certainly they are some component in the creation of jobs.

As for social issues, I'm way left libertarian. Legalize pot, let gays marry, do what we can to remove institutionalized racism and other inequalities. That's really where the Democratic party seems to be heading these days. In my opinion, at least, they are somewhat economically conservative (though less so than the GOP) and becoming more and more socially liberal. The lesser of two evils in my mind.
 
2012-11-19 08:47:08 AM  

Fark Griswald: ginandbacon: dwrash: Because in the long run their goal is to trim the government.. which isn't even the democrats vocabulary.

monoski: There is still that concept of reducing the footprint of the federal govt.

You two might want to research which party actually reduces government.

They keep drinking that Kool-Aid. Let's be honest here people. Big business loves big government. Nothing loves sucking on the government teet like big business despite what republicans like to say about "welfare queens".


Don't forget school lunches. I hear those have bankrupted us. Oh and solar energy.
 
2012-11-19 08:48:42 AM  
Hey, I tried for years. Maybe others will have some luck with that.
 
2012-11-19 08:49:38 AM  
Because the GOP has successfully painted Democrats as evil

www.peterbronson.com

conservativevistas.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-19 08:52:51 AM  
FTA"
But even the most vocal Romney critics in the Republican mainstream have repeatedly said the party
doesn't need to change substantively. It just needs a new sales pitch.


In other words, polish the turd, and compromise on some issue (that they are not going to win anyways) so they can continue with the rest of their BS un-noticed.
 
2012-11-19 08:53:26 AM  

Spaz-master: Because fixing the problem from the inside is the only way to make a lasting effect


I can understand why you wouldn't want to abandon things like family, coworkers, or your country. But why would anyone feel such a commitment to stick with a political party? Is it really something we should be sticking to through thick and thin?

I guess when you say "fixing the problem" it can be ambiguous what specific problem we're talking about. To me the problem is that a political party with a large propaganda wing has become unhinged. The "fix" is to stop voting for them.
 
2012-11-19 08:54:00 AM  

dwrash: Because in the long run their goal is to trim the government.. which isn't even the democrats vocabulary.


Except that no Republican has actually ever trimmed government, yeah!
 
2012-11-19 08:58:10 AM  

blastoh: In other words, polish the turd, and compromise on some issue (that they are not going to win anyways) so they can continue with the rest of their BS un-noticed.


They've been trying that for awhile now, with no real success.

My theory: It's the economy, stupid! Who the balls cares if gay people can get married when they are worried about their retirement and health care? People always vote with their wallet in hard times. Plus with so many people openly gay these days, we're getting to the point where nearly everyone knows a gay couple or two and sees for themselves that they are as madly in love as any couple and ought to have the same rights.

And they completely screwed the pooch on the Latino vote, a lot of which is Catholic and COULD have been won if they didn't have that whole "GO BACK TO MEXICO WHARGARBL!" vibe about their entire party.

I look forward to the day where I'll have an actual choice. I dismissed Romney IMMEDIATELY. No chance in hell was I ever going to vote for him. I don't like that. We need two viable parties. Or more.
 
2012-11-19 08:59:24 AM  
I thought those were the Democrats. The question is: when will the progressives get a party?
 
2012-11-19 08:59:59 AM  

ghare: dwrash: Because in the long run their goal is to trim the government.. which isn't even the democrats vocabulary.

Except that no Republican has actually ever trimmed government, yeah!


B..b..b..bbut if Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II hadn't been in office, a Democrat Socizulist would have run up lots more debt than those guys would have.
 
2012-11-19 09:00:40 AM  
You had me at the social issues wedge....lost me at the raise taxes part....guess the underground group needs to splinter into an under-underground group...

/and we should all only have 2 choices in an election
 
2012-11-19 09:03:15 AM  

jaytkay: way south: Because they still cling to guns and religion.

And they're racists


The GOP was the one leading the civil rights charge after the civil war. The major change came with LBJ, when his embrace of equal rights lead alot of democrats to defect.
Parties change platforms when their supporters change, and this is the sort of thing happening now as the conservative base is forced to reexamine itself.
So the question is what will happen to the bigoted element when the Republican party is forced to cast off that part of its image (lest it become irrelevant).

/From what I see, the people described in this article sound alot like liberals who believe in the free market.
/AKA: Neocons.
/I forsee many gif's of Bush's face morphing to Obama and then to the future GOP candidate.
 
2012-11-19 09:03:39 AM  
More Blue Dogs? No thanks.
 
2012-11-19 09:07:33 AM  

way south: Because they still cling to guns and religion.


How come noone is ever shot outside the country music awards where all those republican rednecks show up to thank god for giving them the gift of music.

Why is it always the democrats gathered outside the American Blackness Awards who are shooting eachother?


/someone is clinging to illegal guns
/amirite
 
2012-11-19 09:09:28 AM  

nekom: ginandbacon: Just out of curiosity and because you are one of my favorited reasonable conservatives, which issues do you lean right on?

Mostly energy policy, though even that is evolving a bit. I'm not willfully ignorant, so I agree with the scientific consensus that global warming is quite real, but on the other hand, I just don't see Americans as ever giving up our current energy usage. Actually, the problem isn't that we're running out of oil, the problem is that we AREN'T and won't for some time, making economic pressures insufficient to force green energy, so perhaps the government SHOULD compel the market somehow. I also believe that the rich should pay more in taxes, but it has to be balanced. Calling them "job creators" is a bit of a stretch, but certainly they are some component in the creation of jobs.

As for social issues, I'm way left libertarian. Legalize pot, let gays marry, do what we can to remove institutionalized racism and other inequalities. That's really where the Democratic party seems to be heading these days. In my opinion, at least, they are somewhat economically conservative (though less so than the GOP) and becoming more and more socially liberal. The lesser of two evils in my mind.


Okay, and thank you for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully. I appreciate your perspective.
 
2012-11-19 09:09:36 AM  
Alright, now see this? This is a four-way road, OK? And dead in the center is a crisp, new, hundred dollar bill. Now, at the end of each of these streets are four people, OK? Are you following? Good. Over here, we have a Republican who supports things like same-sex marriage, womens' rights, and higher taxes on the rich . Down here, we have a backward-thinking, hate-filled, greedy Republican. Over here, we got Santa Claus, and up here the Easter Bunny. Which one is going to get to the hundred dollar bill first? The backward-thinking, hate-filled, greedy Republican, because the other three are FIGMENTS of your FARKING IMAGINATION!
 
2012-11-19 09:10:37 AM  

dwrash: Because in the long run their goal is to trim the government.. which isn't even the democrats vocabulary.


Meanwhile, for Republicans it exists ONLY in vocabulary.

/Has the GOP reduced the size of the federal government in *any way* in the last 30 or 40 years?
 
2012-11-19 09:11:38 AM  
Becuase 95% of the population doesnt affiliate themselves with aparty because they agree with their principles. At some point when they began to care about or became interested in politics, they hear someone who they thought was smart talking about it. They decided "Since that person is so smart, they are obviously right". At that point, they began to seek out information that coincided with their newly found point of view. They continued to do so well into their adulthood and stuck to their beliefs. This is why Fox News and MSNBC exist. Democrats dont watch FOX news and Republicans dont watch MSNBC. They dont like what the other one is saying, therefore they refuse to listen to it. It doesnt confirm their beliefs or give them validation.

That is why different regions of the US are typically one party heavy. People stick to who they agree with. They agree with them because someone gave them the idea to do so without them even realizing it.

Its called confirmation bias.
 
2012-11-19 09:11:49 AM  
I vote for the GOP, because I care about the economy, but I don't understand economics at all.
 
2012-11-19 09:12:09 AM  

Giltric: way south: Because they still cling to guns and religion.

How come noone is ever shot outside the country music awards where all those republican rednecks show up to thank god for giving them the gift of music.

Why is it always the democrats gathered outside the American Blackness Awards who are shooting eachother?


/someone is clinging to illegal guns
/amirite


Are you farking high?
 
2012-11-19 09:12:35 AM  
I think the mistake is assuming that these folks aren't actually Conservative.

These are the original conservatives, the ones who are shouted down by the Teabaggers.

They are the actual people who should be running the GOP.
 
2012-11-19 09:16:50 AM  

nekom: ginandbacon: Just out of curiosity and because you are one of my favorited reasonable conservatives, which issues do you lean right on?

Mostly energy policy, though even that is evolving a bit. I'm not willfully ignorant, so I agree with the scientific consensus that global warming is quite real, but on the other hand, I just don't see Americans as ever giving up our current energy usage. Actually, the problem isn't that we're running out of oil, the problem is that we AREN'T and won't for some time, making economic pressures insufficient to force green energy, so perhaps the government SHOULD compel the market somehow. I also believe that the rich should pay more in taxes, but it has to be balanced. Calling them "job creators" is a bit of a stretch, but certainly they are some component in the creation of jobs.

As for social issues, I'm way left libertarian. Legalize pot, let gays marry, do what we can to remove institutionalized racism and other inequalities. That's really where the Democratic party seems to be heading these days. In my opinion, at least, they are somewhat economically conservative (though less so than the GOP) and becoming more and more socially liberal. The lesser of two evils in my mind.


I think we're going to see the Dems become a "populist" party, blowing where the wind takes them as Gen Y and beyond grow up.

And since the GOP is functionally the "Not dummycrat Party", that will leave them carving out unpopular positions on ...everything.

It's the thing that pleases me most about the dems, really. They appear to be willing to ... listen to the will of the people and adjust their party platform accordingly.
 
2012-11-19 09:17:20 AM  

mat catastrophe: I thought those were the Democrats. The question is: when will the progressives get a party?


If the GOP shifts their product toward the center then the Dems will shift left to differentiate their product. Clinton pushed the Dems right by taking a couple issues from the GOP and that pushed the GOP further right until they ended up in Teabagger Land. Sooner or later the Republicans will find their 'Clinton' who can take a couple issues from the Dems and have some success. Political discourse will be pushed left and the Dems will go with them.
 
2012-11-19 09:17:22 AM  

Cinaed: I think the mistake is assuming that these folks aren't actually Conservative.

These are the original conservatives, the ones who are shouted down by the Teabaggers.

They are the actual people who should be running the GOP.


You mean, talking about regulating vaginas and penises isn't a helpful proposition for the GOP?

Seriously, there are probably hundreds of millions of dollars spent on consultants and advisers in the GOP, and they couldn't get this one right. I could have told you 15 years ago when I was a republican that this sh*t was a bad idea.

WHAR my paycheck WHAR?
 
2012-11-19 09:22:09 AM  

BeesNuts: I think we're going to see the Dems become a "populist" party, blowing where the wind takes them as Gen Y and beyond grow up.

And since the GOP is functionally the "Not dummycrat Party", that will leave them carving out unpopular positions on ...everything.

It's the thing that pleases me most about the dems, really. They appear to be willing to ... listen to the will of the people and adjust their party platform accordingly.


Well, if you look at for instance Obama's stance on gay rights, he claims that his position has evolved. Well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he did some soul searching and believes what he says, but even if that was a Democratic party memo and he's towing the party line, the end result is still the same. Is flip flopping or going where the wind blows such a bad thing anyway? Giving the people what they want doesn't seem like too shabby of a plan. And the wind IS going to continue blowing that way. The gay marriage issue will not last much longer, people simply don't care anymore. Gays are everywhere, and that's just fine and dandy with more and more people. It's one issue the GOP simply MUST abandon if they ever hope to win back the white house.
 
2012-11-19 09:26:14 AM  

mat catastrophe: I thought those were the Democrats. The question is: when will the progressives get a party?


Good question and we have a few things that will help:

1) The Conservative party will either split, become less relevant or shift to the middle with any of those possibilities allowing the DNC to shift to the left (become more progressive)

2) Many of achievements of the Liberals (gay marriage, Obamacare, letting the drug war die) are milestones that can't easily be reversed so it also gives the DNC the opportunity to shift to the left on other issues (fossil fuels, taxes, education)

Today's a good day to be a Progressive (or true Liberal like myself)
 
2012-11-19 09:27:13 AM  
We definitely need less derp in the party. I fear, however, that this loss won't be enough.
 
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