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2012-11-19 09:16:02 AM
So, this means the Redskins will look really, really REALLY good when they fail to make the postseason.
 
2012-11-19 09:17:08 AM
And he is on my fantasy team!

...and it didn't matter because the other guy had Schaub.
 
2012-11-19 09:19:12 AM
Yeah and next week he'll go 9-20 with 1 TD and 3 picks.

/Also, Most Wins by a Redskins Rookie QB is not a "record"
 
2012-11-19 09:23:04 AM
I also like to take pictures of my TV.
 
2012-11-19 09:27:11 AM

jayhawk88: Yeah and next week he'll go 9-20 with 1 TD and 3 picks.


He's not Luck. He only has 3 INT on the season.

/Also, Most Wins by a Redskins Rookie QB is not a "record"

You forget that the Redskins were respectable in the 70s and early 80s although they didn't start rookies back then.
 
2012-11-19 09:29:02 AM
Dude, it was against the Eagles, who are currently playing like every single player is part of a "How quickly can we get Andy Reid fired?" betting pool.
 
2012-11-19 09:38:42 AM
I'm sorry, but I have it on good sources that his QBR has not 100.00.
 
2012-11-19 09:39:56 AM

Joe_diGriz: Dude, it was against the Eagles, who are currently playing like every single player is part of a "How quickly can we get Andy Reid fired?" betting pool.


And, yet, none of the ten other QBs they've played this season have put up such good numbers against them.
 
2012-11-19 09:41:28 AM

thecpt: And he is on my fantasy team!


*knucks*
 
2012-11-19 09:45:56 AM

Joe_diGriz: Dude, it was against the Eagles, who are currently playing like every single player is part of a "How quickly can we get Andy Reid fired?" betting pool.


And yet...Source: Andy Reid to keep job despite Eagles' 6th straight loss

WTF does it take? Crippling their best player at the meaningless end of the game? - McCoy left the field on a cart after having suffered a concussion, Reid confirmed. Asked why McCoy was still in the game at that point, Reid said: "Because we were trying to catch up and win the game."
 
2012-11-19 09:49:45 AM

TheOther: Joe_diGriz: Dude, it was against the Eagles, who are currently playing like every single player is part of a "How quickly can we get Andy Reid fired?" betting pool.

And yet...Source: Andy Reid to keep job despite Eagles' 6th straight loss

WTF does it take?


He's gone at the end of the season. They said this at the beginning of the season. They aren't getting rid of him mid season however.
 
2012-11-19 09:50:15 AM
Fire Reid!

No other words should come out of Eagle's fans mouths until the end of the year
 
2012-11-19 09:55:18 AM

thecpt: And he is on my fantasy team!

...and it didn't matter because the other guy had Schaub.


I have renamed my team Concussion Junction....8 starters out so far
 
2012-11-19 09:59:50 AM

thecpt: And he is on my fantasy team!

...and it didn't matter because the other guy had Schaub.


Were you my opponent this week?
 
2012-11-19 10:00:22 AM

TheOther: And yet...Source: Andy Reid to keep job despite Eagles' 6th straight loss


Reid is not likely to be fired. Jeff Lurie will simply not renew his contract. The reasoning (other than Lurie being insane) will be spun as "Andy deserves the chance to salvage the season."

- McCoy left the field on a cart after having suffered a concussion, Reid confirmed. Asked why McCoy was still in the game at that point, Reid said: "Because we were trying to catch up and win the game."

Andy Reid trying to run the ball when down by 20+ points at the end of the game is fittingly ironic. Sucks about McCoy's injury, though.
 
2012-11-19 10:00:36 AM

Lost Thought 00: Fire Reid!

No other words should come out of Eagle's fans mouths until the end of the year


Guy:Fire Reid?
1st Eagles' fan: Cheese, with.
Guy: NO THE CORRECT ORDER IS FIRE REID. Back of the line. Next. Fire Reid?
2nd Eagle's fan: Fire Reid.
Guy: Fire Reid. (hands 2nd Eagles' fan cheesesteak sandwich.)

FIN.
 
2012-11-19 10:03:01 AM
Over the last five weeks I've been assured by ESPN that there is only one rookie QB playing in the NFL and his name is Andrew Luck and his 21 turnovers are not worth mentioning.

And RG3 is a GLOREE BOY.
 
2012-11-19 10:06:14 AM
Congrats on beating a team that has completely folded.
 
2012-11-19 10:09:41 AM

kronicfeld: And, yet, none of the ten other QBs they've played this season have put up such good numbers against them.


It's not the other QBs have looked like Michael Vick, either. From various stories on philly.com today:

The Eagles have lost six straight since appearing to right the start of the season with a win over the Giants to go 3-1. In the last four of those losses, opposing quarterbacks have each had a rating over 120. (Robert Griffin III rolled a perfect score of 158.3 on Sunday.) The Eagles have been demolished in those games, 127-59.

In the first six games, with Castillo running the defense, the Eagles defense allowed 20.8 points per game. In the four games since he was canned, they're giving up 31.8 a pop.

In the first six games, the Eagles' opponent passer rating was 76.8. The last four games it's 143.5. Their last four opponents have completed an astounding 78.3 percent of their attempts and have averaged 9.4 yards per attempt. In those four games, the Eagles have given up 11 touchdown passes and have no interceptions.


Note that I'm not saying that RGIII isn't good; he definitely is. But, well, right now, the Eagles might as well not even have a defense on the field.
 
2012-11-19 10:13:01 AM

Joe_diGriz: kronicfeld: And, yet, none of the ten other QBs they've played this season have put up such good numbers against them.

It's not the other QBs have looked like Michael Vick, either. From various stories on philly.com today:

The Eagles have lost six straight since appearing to right the start of the season with a win over the Giants to go 3-1. In the last four of those losses, opposing quarterbacks have each had a rating over 120. (Robert Griffin III rolled a perfect score of 158.3 on Sunday.) The Eagles have been demolished in those games, 127-59.

In the first six games, with Castillo running the defense, the Eagles defense allowed 20.8 points per game. In the four games since he was canned, they're giving up 31.8 a pop.

In the first six games, the Eagles' opponent passer rating was 76.8. The last four games it's 143.5. Their last four opponents have completed an astounding 78.3 percent of their attempts and have averaged 9.4 yards per attempt. In those four games, the Eagles have given up 11 touchdown passes and have no interceptions.

Note that I'm not saying that RGIII isn't good; he definitely is. But, well, right now, the Eagles might as well not even have a defense on the field.


They had a defense on the field yesterday?
 
2012-11-19 10:16:02 AM
I think the real story here is that the Redskins offense kept the Eagles out of the end zone. Don't get me wrong, I get that they were playing against a rookie quarterback on his first start and an anemic offense coming into this week, but Haslett and the defense as one farker put it yesterday: "couldn't even cover a toddler".
 
2012-11-19 10:16:24 AM

wholedamnshow: thecpt: And he is on my fantasy team!

...and it didn't matter because the other guy had Schaub.

Were you my opponent this week?


No IRL friends league. My Fark leagues didn't have that matchup.

/too many leagues. personal advice don't go past 2.
 
2012-11-19 10:18:00 AM
And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.
 
2012-11-19 10:18:43 AM

degenerate-afro: TheOther: Joe_diGriz: Dude, it was against the Eagles, who are currently playing like every single player is part of a "How quickly can we get Andy Reid fired?" betting pool.

And yet...Source: Andy Reid to keep job despite Eagles' 6th straight loss

WTF does it take?

He's gone at the end of the season. They said this at the beginning of the season. They aren't getting rid of him mid season however.


Reid earned the right to finish out the season, he's the most successful coach in Eagles' history.

He's always had his structural flaws as a coach, and his above average winning allowed him to avoid actually dealing with it. I wonder how much of this year's meltdown is due to the death of his kid. He was a failure as a parent and I'm guessing he's blaming himself for his son's OD.
 
2012-11-19 10:24:38 AM

Lost Thought 00: Fire Reid!

No other words should come out of Eagle's fans mouths until the end of the year


Is that before or after they sexually harass fans of other teams and urinate on their cars?
 
2012-11-19 10:27:25 AM

JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.


not for completion percentage, made all the more impressive by the Redskins lack of a receiving core (corps?)
 
2012-11-19 10:29:23 AM
That 60 yard heave to a double covered Moss that the two Eagles D Backs just watched him catch was pretty funny. The average college corner could have broken that play up.
 
2012-11-19 10:37:10 AM

JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.


This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.
 
2012-11-19 10:40:03 AM

you have pee hands: That 60 yard heave to a double covered Moss that the two Eagles D Backs just watched him catch was pretty funny. The average college corner could have broken that play up.


I loved that play. You could tell RGIII saw the flag come out against the defense and knew he had a free play, so why not chuck it up to Moss, double coverage be damned? And it worked like a thing of beauty
 
2012-11-19 10:41:04 AM

grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.


Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?
 
2012-11-19 10:53:33 AM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.

Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?



Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.
 
2012-11-19 11:01:58 AM

downtownkid: Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.


Hm.
 
2012-11-19 11:04:22 AM

kronicfeld: downtownkid: Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.

Hm.


Yeah, that one was so blatant I've got to think it was intentional. Gonna go with a 8/10, because people will probably still go for it.
 
2012-11-19 11:05:01 AM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: I loved that play. You could tell RGIII saw the flag come out against the defense and knew he had a free play, so why not chuck it up to Moss, double coverage be damned? And it worked like a thing of beauty


I enjoyed it when the same thing happened to Matt Stafford yesterday: someone jumps offside, he chucks the ball to a receiver who proceeds to commit OPI, penalties offset so they don't even get the five yards for encroachment. The look on his pudgy little face was classic.
 
2012-11-19 11:07:35 AM
RGIII just might take me all the way in my Fantasy League this year. He was a wild card pick, but he has more than worked out despite some hiccups.
 
2012-11-19 11:14:31 AM

Lost Thought 00: Fire Reid!

No other words should come out of Eagle's fans mouths until the end of the year



That would be a nice change of pace.
 
2012-11-19 11:17:40 AM

downtownkid: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.

Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?


Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.


I loved you on Monday Night Football, Howard!
 
2012-11-19 11:18:44 AM
The fact that Charlie Batch is on that list should tell you something. . . .
 
2012-11-19 11:23:02 AM

downtownkid: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.

Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?


Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.



You must not watch a lot of Redskins or Colts games, because RG3 is every bit as "intelligent" as Luck, and from what I've seen, makes fewer mistakes.

Luck's seasonal passer rating: 77.2 (28th in the league)
RG3's seasonal passer rating: 101 (5th in the league)

Luck's TD/INT ratio: 12/12
RG3's TD/INT ratioL 12/2

Luck's yds/attempt: 7.2
RG3's yds/attempt: 7.9

It isn't system. Both are athletes. RG3 is just world-class with speed, and is 18th in the NFL in rushing among ALL players in addition to his passing stats.

When was the last time a rookie QB put up those kinds of all around numbers, AND won games?
 
2012-11-19 11:23:04 AM

IAmRight: kronicfeld: downtownkid: Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.

Hm.

Yeah, that one was so blatant I've got to think it was intentional. Gonna go with a 8/10, because people will probably still go for it.


It's all in your head, man. The exact same thing can be said about Tebow.
 
2012-11-19 11:24:57 AM

IAmRight: kronicfeld: downtownkid: Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.

Hm.

Yeah, that one was so blatant I've got to think it was intentional. Gonna go with a 8/10, because people will probably still go for it.


Yeah, um, no. It's not a racist thing as you are implying. As usual, you are wrong. Luck is the son of a quarterback, so he learned the position from a very young age. He's a true student of the game, and is making incredibly smart decisions even as a rookie. You might even say he is...wait for it...very intelligent. Robert Griffin, otoh, is a great athlete excelling in a very simplified system. He has the potential to be another Steve Young. They are similar physically and he plays much like Young did early in his career. With hard work Griffin has every bit as much upside. Unfortunately Young is the exception not the rule, and the majority of the strong running quarterbacks have not succeeded long term. Going forward Luck is currently the safer fantasy option.

Here's a link breaking down Luck's reads against the Browns using the All 22 tape demonstrating just how...here it is again...intelligent he is: Link

It's kind of sad that you went to race with my comment as nothing could be further from the truth.
 
2012-11-19 11:26:29 AM

downtownkid: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.

Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?


Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.


I saw both Gruden camps with Luck and RGIII. RGIII came across as the much more intelligent of the two.
 
2012-11-19 11:26:51 AM

grinding_journalist: It's all in your head, man. The exact same thing can be said about Tebow.


Except Griffin's completed 67% of his passes this year.
 
2012-11-19 11:27:31 AM

lordjupiter: downtownkid: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.

Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?


Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.


You must not watch a lot of Redskins or Colts games, because RG3 is every bit as "intelligent" as Luck, and from what I've seen, makes fewer mistakes.

Luck's seasonal passer rating: 77.2 (28th in the league)
RG3's seasonal passer rating: 101 (5th in the league)

Luck's TD/INT ratio: 12/12
RG3's TD/INT ratioL 12/2

Luck's yds/attempt: 7.2
RG3's yds/attempt: 7.9

It isn't system. Both are athletes. RG3 is just world-class with speed, and is 18th in the NFL in rushing among ALL players in addition to his passing stats.

When was the last time a rookie QB put up those kinds of all around numbers, AND won games?


Why? Why isn't it system? The offense that Luck runs in Indiana is exponentially more complicated than what Washington plays. The idea that it "isn't system" couldn't possibly be more wrong.
 
2012-11-19 11:29:14 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: downtownkid: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.

Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?


Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.

I saw both Gruden camps with Luck and RGIII. RGIII came across as the much more intelligent of the two.


In real life, socially or whatever, I'm sure that's entirely true. Griffin seems like a well rounded human being whereas Luck is a wonky gym rat. When I said Luck was more intelligent I should have specified strictly in terms of playing the position.
 
2012-11-19 11:30:16 AM

downtownkid: lordjupiter: downtownkid: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.

Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?


Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.


You must not watch a lot of Redskins or Colts games, because RG3 is every bit as "intelligent" as Luck, and from what I've seen, makes fewer mistakes.

Luck's seasonal passer rating: 77.2 (28th in the league)
RG3's seasonal passer rating: 101 (5th in the league)

Luck's TD/INT ratio: 12/12
RG3's TD/INT ratioL 12/2

Luck's yds/attempt: 7.2
RG3's yds/attempt: 7.9

It isn't system. Both are athletes. RG3 is just world-class with speed, and is 18th in the NFL in rushing among ALL players in addition to his passing stats.

When was the last time a rookie QB put up those kinds of all around numbers, AND won games?

Why? Why isn't it system? The offense that Luck runs in Indiana is exponentially more complicated than what Washington plays. The idea that it "isn't system" couldn't possibly be more wrong.



No, it couldn't possibly be more your opinion.
 
2012-11-19 11:35:37 AM

lordjupiter: downtownkid: lordjupiter: downtownkid: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.

Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?


Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.


You must not watch a lot of Redskins or Colts games, because RG3 is every bit as "intelligent" as Luck, and from what I've seen, makes fewer mistakes.

Luck's seasonal passer rating: 77.2 (28th in the league)
RG3's seasonal passer rating: 101 (5th in the league)

Luck's TD/INT ratio: 12/12
RG3's TD/INT ratioL 12/2

Luck's yds/attempt: 7.2
RG3's yds/attempt: 7.9

It isn't system. Both are athletes. RG3 is just world-class with speed, and is 18th in the NFL in rushing among ALL players in addition to his passing stats.

When was the last time a rookie QB put up those kinds of all around numbers, AND won games?

Why? Why isn't it system? The offense that Luck runs in Indiana is exponentially more complicated than what Washington plays. The idea that it "isn't system" couldn't possibly be more wrong.


No, it couldn't possibly be more your opinion.


Who are you, Jeff Lebowski? Here's a link to NFL Replay: Link It costs fifty bucks a season but it's well worth it as you get the Coach's Tape (All 22). You can actually watch it if you are so inclined and see the plays that a team calls, even chart them if you want. It's a bit of work but would allow you to have more than an uninformed opinion. There are things that are facts, and one fact is that Washington is running a much more pared down offense with fewer decisions to make.
 
2012-11-19 11:41:15 AM

downtownkid: lordjupiter: downtownkid: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: grinding_journalist: JusticeandIndependence: And Cam Newton broke a ton of records in his rookie year too.

This. I'm not touching RG3 in next year's FF draft with a 10 foot pole. Luck I'd be less wary of, but still wary. Got burned hard by Cam this year.

Just out of curiousity, why would you feel better with Luck compared to RGIII?


Because Luck is a very intelligent QB who, barring an injury, will have a great career. RGIII is a great athlete who needs to expand his game in order to have continued success.


You must not watch a lot of Redskins or Colts games, because RG3 is every bit as "intelligent" as Luck, and from what I've seen, makes fewer mistakes.

Luck's seasonal passer rating: 77.2 (28th in the league)
RG3's seasonal passer rating: 101 (5th in the league)

Luck's TD/INT ratio: 12/12
RG3's TD/INT ratioL 12/2

Luck's yds/attempt: 7.2
RG3's yds/attempt: 7.9

It isn't system. Both are athletes. RG3 is just world-class with speed, and is 18th in the NFL in rushing among ALL players in addition to his passing stats.

When was the last time a rookie QB put up those kinds of all around numbers, AND won games?

Why? Why isn't it system? The offense that Luck runs in Indiana is exponentially more complicated than what Washington plays. The idea that it "isn't system" couldn't possibly be more wrong.


The offensive systems that Indy and WASH play are very different...this isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

I personally think they are both fantastic...I'd take either one of them...but Luck is playing basically the old Manning role where the offense runs through him with typically 3-4 wideouts on 90% of the snaps. The kid has 379 pass attempts through 11/13 (only Brees and Stafford have more) and the Colts only recently have started the run the ball with any proficiency.

RGIII has less of the offense on his shoulders (282 attempts) but it's amazing how accurate and efficient he is especially when WASH likes to run 2 out of the backfield and/or 2 TEs with typically a base 2 WR set. The biggest difference is that WAS has the #2 Rushing DVOA while the Colts are 14th.

My concern about RGIII is that he is a great scrambler and can extend plays very well with his movement, but those are often the situations where the QB gets obliterated by blindside or low hits that cause injury and unlike Cam or BigBen...he's not as big as those guys. Luck runs the ball as well, but many times they are designed naked bootlegs where he's got a TE running underneath to dump off, or he just chucks it into the stands...injury seems to be less likely...and he's a really big kid.

Like I said...I think they are both fantastic...who gives a damn who ESPN is hyping...form your own opinion, FFS.
 
2012-11-19 11:45:37 AM
It takes effort to troll an RG3 thead with Luck stats, on a weekend where Luck threw two pick-6's against what we will call a mediocre Pats secondary.
 
2012-11-19 11:56:26 AM

downtownkid: Why? Why isn't it system? The offense that Luck runs in Indiana is exponentially more complicated than what Washington plays. The idea that it "isn't system" couldn't possibly be more wrong.


Well, this is true. But let's not pretend that the system is what it is in both situations because of the QBs. I'm more inclined to believe that the Washington offense is simpler because his OC got the job because his daddy is head coach.

/would have no reservations about having either of them on my team
 
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