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(Politico)   GOP comes to a crossroads. Normally they stop when they come to a cross   (politico.com) divider line 35
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2012-11-19 09:13:39 AM
Hopefully they'll take a left turn and go down Sensible Lane, rather than a right down Social Issues Boulevard. Maybe they'll pass right on through Trickle Down Town, and continue on to Reality City.
 
2012-11-19 09:25:00 AM
When you come to a fork in the road, take it!
 
2012-11-19 09:34:19 AM
I thought Crossroads was just their money-laundering campaign finance arm, under capo Rove?
 
2012-11-19 09:34:54 AM
1) They can fundamentally restructure the party and it's platform and lose in 2016
or
2) They can stay the course and never win again
 
2012-11-19 09:58:00 AM
Indeed they are. Donate now to get Romney elected and stop Fartnamblacare in its tracks.
 
2012-11-19 09:58:10 AM
Did they try to flag a ride?
 
2012-11-19 09:58:23 AM
But they already sold their souls to the devil.
 
2012-11-19 10:00:23 AM

mrshowrules: 1) They can fundamentally restructure the party and it's platform and lose in 2016
or
2) They can stay the course and never win again


And if they do nothing then there is a good chance they'll gain seats in 2014 which will muddy the water when deciding how to proceed to 2016.
 
2012-11-19 10:02:57 AM

Muta: mrshowrules: 1) They can fundamentally restructure the party and it's platform and lose in 2016
or
2) They can stay the course and never win again

And if they do nothing then there is a good chance they'll gain seats in 2014 which will muddy the water when deciding how to proceed to 2016.


The GOP deluding themselves based on positive spin? That could never happen.
 
2012-11-19 10:03:37 AM

mrshowrules: 1) They can fundamentally restructure the party and it's platform and lose in 2016
or
2) They can stay the course and never win again


They're not going to change any of the extremist parts of their platform that are anathema to moderates, minorities, and young people.

What they will do is redouble their efforts to change election rules and procedures in an attempt to rig the system to their advantage. The slew of states passing voter-ID suppression laws in the last couple years was just the beginning.

The next thing is that all the big GOP-controlled swing states (eg. Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) are going to make a push to do what Jon Husted suggested last week - allocate their electoral votes by congressional district. That way they can reap the rewards of their gerrymandering in presidential elections as well.
 
2012-11-19 10:04:34 AM
pixel.nymag.com

I dont know, things seem to be working out according to this map.
 
2012-11-19 10:13:12 AM
Look, as a Republican who voted Democrat both sides are founded on beliefs, that are at the core, both good for America as a whole. The problem is when people in these parties take advantage of these beliefs for gain and greed and instead of calling them out, we are voters chose sides like gangs instead of America as a whole. Unfortunately as obvious as this might be during a calm discussion over what we as people believe or dont believe in, our leaders can too easily rile their sides up by dividing us by race, class, sex and religious beliefs to distract us from what is really important. No matter which side of the isle you believe in we as America needs the other side, absolute power corrupts absolutely and it seems that corporations, wall street banks and politicians are taking advantage of ALL Americans simply by committing crimes that would send any normal citizen to jail, and passing it off as the new normal and blaming us and are parties policies themselves. Right now as bad as the democratic party might be, it is nowhere nearly connected to the same interests that have taken over the wealth and changed the laws that will one day destroy the middle class for profit and divide us completely as a nation.
 
2012-11-19 10:13:24 AM
"Some Republican governors said Obama's victory was the result of his negative attacks on Romney"

When video of your candidate using his own words is considered a "negative attack" you have serious problems.
 
2012-11-19 10:14:35 AM

Doc Daneeka: mrshowrules: 1) They can fundamentally restructure the party and it's platform and lose in 2016
or
2) They can stay the course and never win again

They're not going to change any of the extremist parts of their platform that are anathema to moderates, minorities, and young people.

What they will do is redouble their efforts to change election rules and procedures in an attempt to rig the system to their advantage. The slew of states passing voter-ID suppression laws in the last couple years was just the beginning.

The next thing is that all the big GOP-controlled swing states (eg. Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) are going to make a push to do what Jon Husted suggested last week - allocate their electoral votes by congressional district. That way they can reap the rewards of their gerrymandering in presidential elections as well.


That was tried in PA in 2010. It was soundly defeated. Hence the BS voter ID law they tried to get implanted for this election.
 
2012-11-19 10:16:01 AM

doyner: "Some Republican governors said Obama's victory was the result of his negative attacks on Romney"

When video of your candidate using his own words is considered a "negative attack" you have serious problems.


I liked the montage on the Daily Show showing that pretty much every attack made on Romney by Obama had already been made pretty much verbatim by the other Republican candidates during the never-ending GOP primary debate season.
 
2012-11-19 10:18:54 AM
I'll meet them at the crossroads.
 
2012-11-19 10:22:09 AM
Normally they stop when they come to a cross and nail themselves to it.
 
2012-11-19 10:23:46 AM
"a more proactive strategy aimed at radically shaking up their party in an effort to reach out to young and minority voters"?

What, you're going to become honest and work to improve America instead of spending time bad mouthing the other guy?
 
2012-11-19 10:24:33 AM

Doc Daneeka: mrshowrules: 1) They can fundamentally restructure the party and it's platform and lose in 2016
or
2) They can stay the course and never win again

They're not going to change any of the extremist parts of their platform that are anathema to moderates, minorities, and young people.

What they will do is redouble their efforts to change election rules and procedures in an attempt to rig the system to their advantage. The slew of states passing voter-ID suppression laws in the last couple years was just the beginning.

The next thing is that all the big GOP-controlled swing states (eg. Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) are going to make a push to do what Jon Husted suggested last week - allocate their electoral votes by congressional district. That way they can reap the rewards of their gerrymandering in presidential elections as well.


So instead of winning the hearts and minds of Americans, they are going to sully the processes and institutions of democracy. That's full proof!
 
2012-11-19 10:25:24 AM

Arkanaut: Normally they stop when they come to a cross and nail themselves to it. set it on fire.

 
2012-11-19 10:28:00 AM
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2012-11-19 10:30:02 AM
The GOP is screwed, they are in the exact same situation "The Left" was in during the 1970's & 1980's. But with the extra added bonus of their base is incapable of self-reflection and change.

During the 1970's the world radically changed, the problems facing America (and the rest of the industrial world) needed a new set of answers. In so many words the Left Won the battles from 1930~1960's, but they were still fighting those battles.

Today, the Right won the battles from the 1970's~1980's, the social safety net was reduced, taxes lowered, regulations lifted... The problems facing the world today aren't the same as they were in the 1980's and the GOP refuses to acknowledge it.

That's why Mitt had policy positions which made no sense.
 
2012-11-19 10:37:57 AM

Komplex: Today, the Right won the battles from the 1970's~1980's, the social safety net was reduced, taxes lowered, regulations lifted... The problems facing the world today aren't the same as they were in the 1980's and the GOP refuses to acknowledge it.


The problems facing us today are lack of a social safety net, taxes that are too low, and a lack of regulation. Not only does the GOP refuse to acknowledge that the problems are different, they refuse to acknowledge that they are actually the cause of those problems. That is why their policy positions make no sense; their remedy is to cause even more problems.
 
2012-11-19 10:45:17 AM

Komplex: The GOP is screwed, they are in the exact same situation "The Left" was in during the 1970's & 1980's. But with the extra added bonus of their base is incapable of self-reflection and change.

During the 1970's the world radically changed, the problems facing America (and the rest of the industrial world) needed a new set of answers. In so many words the Left Won the battles from 1930~1960's, but they were still fighting those battles.

Today, the Right won the battles from the 1970's~1980's, the social safety net was reduced, taxes lowered, regulations lifted... The problems facing the world today aren't the same as they were in the 1980's and the GOP refuses to acknowledge it.

That's why Mitt had policy positions which made no sense.


The social safety net was just enlarged, using Republican ideas from the 1990s. It's called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Also the Post 9/11 GI Bill, which passed both houses, receiving bipartisan support. It enlarged the social safety net for veterans. Then there's Medicare Part D, passed under Republican controlled houses and signed by a Republican President, which enlarged the social safety net for seniors.

You're right about the lower taxes and lax regulations (Particularly in banking and finance), but once again I'm seeing this lie trumpted that Republicans reduce the size of government. They don't. Ever. At all. Times infinity.
 
2012-11-19 10:47:57 AM
Regarding TFA, Gov. Branstad is a f*cking idiot, who only won because it was a midterm election in which Western Iowan teatards voted en masse. He'll be lucky to even have the job come 2014. Hopefully Iowans won't f*ck that up twice.
 
2012-11-19 11:00:42 AM
Their problem is the tea party. Catering to these Neanderthals in the primaries kills their chances for statewide office, the Senate, and the White House. That's when they don't get primaried out by some extremist nutjob. They should remember how this played out the first time around
 
2012-11-19 11:01:21 AM
Republican governors are torn between essentially staying the course in the wake of Mitt Romney's loss and a more proactive strategy aimed at radically shaking up their party in an effort to reach out to young and minority voters.


Doesn't that essentially mean throwing everything out and starting over?
 
2012-11-19 11:14:17 AM

Wireless Joe: I'll meet them at the crossroads.


Crossroads GPS seems to have gotten them lost
 
2012-11-19 11:50:28 AM
...and they didn't light it on fire? Progress!
 
2012-11-19 12:15:59 PM

doyner: "Some Republican governors said Obama's victory was the result of his negative attacks on Romney"

When video of your candidate using his own words is considered a "negative attack" you have serious problems.


And that was pretty much the sum of all Obama's ads. Every once in a while, Obama might show an ad of himself enumerating some of the good he did.
 
2012-11-19 12:26:01 PM

mrshowrules: 1) They can fundamentally restructure the party and it's platform and lose in 2016
or
2) They can stay the course and never win again


Yeep. Basically they rip the band-aid off and have an inner revolution in their party which will make things a lot worse in the short time but make things better in the long run, or continue to be less and less a national party every election.

Don't worry the will probably gain seats in 2014 and then tell themselves everything is ok like they did in 2010.
 
2012-11-19 12:44:02 PM

Mentat: When you come to a fork in the road, take it!


When you come to a spoon in the road, don't take it, because there is no spoon.

/And yet there is soup
 
2012-11-19 02:12:29 PM
The GOP is finding out why you never stick your dick in crazy. Just try to break up with your Teatards.

/countdown to boiled pet rabbit in their kitchen in 3...2...1..
 
2012-11-19 02:21:30 PM

Cythraul: Hopefully they'll take a left turn and go down Sensible Lane, rather than a right down Social Issues Boulevard. Maybe they'll pass right on through Trickle Down Town, and continue on to Reality City.


Not a chance, they don't believe in fuel-efficiency. Their car's going to run out of juice JUST south of Sensible Lane in the Derp District.
 
2012-11-19 03:26:03 PM

Komplex: The GOP is screwed, they are in the exact same situation "The Left" was in during the 1970's & 1980's. But with the extra added bonus of their base is incapable of self-reflection and change.

During the 1970's the world radically changed, the problems facing America (and the rest of the industrial world) needed a new set of answers. In so many words the Left Won the battles from 1930~1960's, but they were still fighting those battles.

Today, the Right won the battles from the 1970's~1980's, the social safety net was reduced, taxes lowered, regulations lifted... The problems facing the world today aren't the same as they were in the 1980's and the GOP refuses to acknowledge it.

That's why Mitt had policy positions which made no sense.


Something else happened, too. The Boomers, whose vast numbers made them the nation's defining electoral bloc, hit their late 20' and early thirties. And their attitudes and politics began to change.
But this time, they aren't going to be shifting to the right. This time, they are going away - and the right has no one to replace them but a tiny group of socially maladjusted young males who will probably never breed.
The GOP has a problem - a long term one.
 
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