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2012-11-19 08:42:49 AM  
I love how all these revelatons from the election have killed the now, in hindsight, absurd arguments people had saying "we have such a high corporate tax rate," or "such a high tax rate on the rich," without noting just how low it is in practice.

No one is seriously going around talking about needing to lower the U.S.'s too high corporate 35% tax rate anymore. What a bullcrap argument that was.
 
2012-11-19 08:59:12 AM  
Expiration of a tax break with a built in time limit (which has already been extended) is not a tax hike.
 
2012-11-19 09:09:03 AM  

Diogenes: Expiration of a tax break with a built in time limit (which has already been extended) is not a tax hike.


Was that Luntz who came up with that?
 
2012-11-19 09:56:11 AM  

Party Boy: Diogenes: Expiration of a tax break with a built in time limit (which has already been extended) is not a tax hike.

Was that Luntz who came up with that?


It wouldn't surprise me. That's his style. But it seems so obvious. The GOP could come up with that on their own just reflexively ie any increase in taxes is a "hike."
 
2012-11-19 09:57:18 AM  
Seems reasonable to me subby. Poor %2'ers, how will you ever survive a %4 increase on everything you make after the 1st 250k? Tyranny I tell you!
 
2012-11-19 09:59:05 AM  

Diogenes: Party Boy: Diogenes: Expiration of a tax break with a built in time limit (which has already been extended) is not a tax hike.

Was that Luntz who came up with that?

It wouldn't surprise me. That's his style. But it seems so obvious. The GOP could come up with that on their own just reflexively ie any increase in taxes is a "hike."


I can see the focus group now.

If its him or it isn't him, screw Luntz. I despise all the propaganda this technique has put into our daily language.
 
2012-11-19 10:02:36 AM  

Party Boy: Diogenes: Party Boy: Diogenes: Expiration of a tax break with a built in time limit (which has already been extended) is not a tax hike.

Was that Luntz who came up with that?

It wouldn't surprise me. That's his style. But it seems so obvious. The GOP could come up with that on their own just reflexively ie any increase in taxes is a "hike."

I can see the focus group now.

If its him or it isn't him, screw Luntz. I despise all the propaganda this technique has put into our daily language.


LOL. It was a field I considered going into at one time (philosophy/poli sci double). I concluded that I was too attached to my soul for that sort of work.
 
2012-11-19 10:23:08 AM  
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2012-11-19 10:37:42 AM  

Diogenes: OL. It was a field I considered going into at one time (philosophy/poli sci double). I concluded that I was too attached to my soul for that sort of work.


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2012-11-19 10:55:24 AM  

Party Boy: No one is seriously going around talking about needing to lower the U.S.'s too high corporate 35% tax rate anymore.


America's corporate tax rate is too high and should be lowered.
 
2012-11-19 10:56:03 AM  

Diogenes: Expiration of a tax break with a built in time limit (which has already been extended) is not a tax hike.


I want to tattoo that on some people.
 
2012-11-19 10:57:32 AM  

Koalacaust: Party Boy: No one is seriously going around talking about needing to lower the U.S.'s too high corporate 35% tax rate anymore.

America's corporate tax rate is too high and should be lowered.


How many corporations actually pay that rate?
 
2012-11-19 10:57:59 AM  

sammyk: Seems reasonable to me subby. Poor %2'ers, how will you ever survive a %4 increase on everything you make after the 1st 250k? Tyranny I tell you!


THEY ARE NOT RICH PEOPLE THEY ARE SMALL BUSINESSES!

/actual GOP argument.
 
2012-11-19 10:58:57 AM  
It's very reasonable.

Even the rich are saying their taxes are low enough.

And in a few years when the economy rebounds a bit more, phase out the middle three and keep the lowest one intact.
 
2012-11-19 10:59:14 AM  
This isn't going to get resolved before the new year. Come Jan 1st, every proposal is going to be a tax cut and thus palatable to the Norquist-fellaters.
 
2012-11-19 10:59:56 AM  
A lot of people don't seem to understand what a compromise is.
It's when two sides of a dispute agree to accept something they don't want, in return for something they want.
You can't say that you are willing to compromise when you are unwilling to concede anything you don't want, and insist that the other side make all the concessions.
 
2012-11-19 11:01:28 AM  
Good. I hope they stick to their guns.
Raise taxes on income over 250k.
Raise retirement age to 75.
Remove tax break on Social Security pay in.
Lower taxes on companies that hire here.
Remove loopholes and corporate welfare for oil and farm companies.
Cut military spending or at least shift the money put in to taking care of our troops.
I think that would be a good starting point.
 
2012-11-19 11:01:39 AM  
I'd like to also insist on punches, kicks to groin.
 
2012-11-19 11:01:55 AM  

Hollie Maea: sammyk: Seems reasonable to me subby. Poor %2'ers, how will you ever survive a %4 increase on everything you make after the 1st 250k? Tyranny I tell you!

THEY ARE NOT RICH PEOPLE THEY ARE SMALL BUSINESSES!

/actual GOP argument.


"So-called rich."
 
2012-11-19 11:03:00 AM  
Obama, Reid, and Pelosi should go to Boehner and McConnell and tell them "Okay, you don't want to raise the marginal tax rates above what we want? Name a set of deductions, credits, exemptions, exclusions, and preferential tax rates you're willing to get rid of that would give us the same amount of revenue we want, and make sure they don't hurt individuals who make less than $200,000 and families who make less than $250,000."
 
2012-11-19 11:03:12 AM  
Hehe, Republicans still thinking they have leverage and/or political capital. Isn't it cute?
 
2012-11-19 11:03:34 AM  
Elections have consequences.
 
2012-11-19 11:06:35 AM  

toomuchwhargarbl: Hollie Maea: sammyk: Seems reasonable to me subby. Poor %2'ers, how will you ever survive a %4 increase on everything you make after the 1st 250k? Tyranny I tell you!

THEY ARE NOT RICH PEOPLE THEY ARE SMALL BUSINESSES!

/actual GOP argument.

"So-called rich."


Exactly. Many of these so called rich people have mortgages and college bills for their kids! They can barely make ends meet. Meanwhile, these so called poor people have refrigerators and microwaves, and they just want more more more.
 
2012-11-19 11:06:42 AM  
Why are they trying to destroy small business like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett?!
 
2012-11-19 11:06:49 AM  

phaseolus: Elections have consequences.

 
2012-11-19 11:06:56 AM  
Once the rich are paying their "fair share" Democrats can declare victory.
 
2012-11-19 11:07:19 AM  

toomuchwhargarbl: "So-called rich."


Never really got that one. If your income's over 250k and you aren't a millionaire, you're so mind-bogglingly bad with money then anyone else having control of it is probably an improvement. I mean, non-resellable living costs even in an expensive area come out to what, 20k a year, maybe 50k if you're renting instead of owning an expensive place or have a severe gambling problem? That's 5 years to a million in assets, easy as all hell.
 
2012-11-19 11:07:25 AM  

Fatbeard: Good. I hope they stick to their guns.
Raise taxes on income over 250k.


Good
Raise retirement age to 75.
Why? Why not just demand that people work until they die?

"Boy howdee, I sure love that I get to rest for the last five to ten years of my life in which I'll likely be in poor health, and will not be able to enjoy fulfilling activities the way I could when I was younger!"

Remove tax break on Social Security pay in.
Good.

Lower taxes on companies that hire here.

As opposed to now - when we have the lowest effective corporate tax rate in the modernized world?

Remove loopholes and corporate welfare for oil and farm companies.

Good.
Cut military spending or at least shift the money put in to taking care of our troops.

Good.
I think that would be a good starting point.

Or "means to an end".
 
2012-11-19 11:07:43 AM  

Koalacaust: America's corporate tax rate is too high and should be lowered.


Fart_Machine: How many corporations actually pay that rate?


Its like watching Walking Dead, but the zombies are talking points that dont observe the normal laws of logic.
 
2012-11-19 11:08:08 AM  

sammyk: Seems reasonable to me subby. Poor %2'ers, how will you ever survive a %4 increase on everything you make after the 1st 250k? Tyranny I tell you!


Seems somewhat less tyrannical than hordes of poor arriving at your door, looting your home, burning it to the foundation and leaving your corpses on the front lawn....which seems to be the long-term result of what it is that they're advocating.
 
2012-11-19 11:08:55 AM  

that bosnian sniper: Hehe, Republicans still thinking they have leverage and/or political capital. Isn't it cute?


Rumor has it they're going to require even more spending cuts for the next time we have to raise the debt ceiling, which I think will be in a few months. That'll be hilarious.
 
2012-11-19 11:09:15 AM  
So, having no actual influence of her own, she's become a spokesperson for the White House. She's just noise.
 
2012-11-19 11:09:18 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Why are they trying to destroy small business like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett?!


Bad examples - those guys are class traitors, both having publicly asserted that maybe people with swimming pools full of money should pay a little bit more taxes.
 
2012-11-19 11:09:29 AM  
You know they are going to be so busy with their pissing matches that they will be flinging us off the cliff....
 
2012-11-19 11:11:52 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: So, having no actual influence of her own


Minority leader of the House of Representatives, Former Majority Leader = non-influential. Gotcha.
 
2012-11-19 11:12:06 AM  

Hollie Maea: toomuchwhargarbl: Hollie Maea: sammyk: Seems reasonable to me subby. Poor %2'ers, how will you ever survive a %4 increase on everything you make after the 1st 250k? Tyranny I tell you!

THEY ARE NOT RICH PEOPLE THEY ARE SMALL BUSINESSES!

/actual GOP argument.

"So-called rich."

Exactly. Many of these so called rich people have mortgages and college bills for their kids! They can barely make ends meet. Meanwhile, these so called poor people have refrigerators and microwaves, and they just want more more more.


Don't these greedy people realize that if it wasn't for the .1% of makers personally making everything in the world that they'd still be nomadic hunter gatherers? What a bunch of ingrates.
 
2012-11-19 11:14:13 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: So, having no actual influence of her own, she's become a spokesperson for the White House. She's just noise.


It's amusing that you think this of the House Minority leader when discussing a bill that will need bipartisan support due to the Tea Party caucus. Pelosi isn't the pushover Reid is when it comes to wrangling Democrats. Boehner or Cantor piss her off bad enough, no deal that will make it past the Senate.
 
2012-11-19 11:14:49 AM  

Cletus C.: Once the rich are paying their "fair share" Democrats can declare victory.


Lets ask the idiots who lost the election how to run the country.
 
2012-11-19 11:15:30 AM  

Fart_Machine: How many corporations actually pay that rate?


Certainly not many, but raising the rate won't improve that number, and keeping rates as high as they are hurts smaller corporations that can't game the system like the big boys. As I see it, the best solution would be to cut the nominal rate while simultaneously eliminating the deductions and loopholes that allow megacorps to get away with paying only a fractions of this.
 
2012-11-19 11:17:32 AM  

zenobia: Diogenes: Expiration of a tax break with a built in time limit (which has already been extended) is not a tax hike.

I want to tattoo that on some people.


Me, too. But with a powder-actuated nail gun.
 
2012-11-19 11:17:35 AM  

NateGrey: Cletus C.: Once the rich are paying their "fair share" Democrats can declare victory.

Lets ask the idiots who lost the election how to run the country.


They wouldn't have lost if it wasn't for those damn blacks and all the gifts the president has given them. Clearly, the Republicans really won due to having actual votes from Real Americans and not just welfare queens.
 
2012-11-19 11:19:38 AM  
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2012-11-19 11:21:35 AM  

Party Boy: I love how all these revelatons from the election have killed the now, in hindsight, absurd arguments people had saying "we have such a high corporate tax rate," or "such a high tax rate on the rich," without noting just how low it is in practice.

No one is seriously going around talking about needing to lower the U.S.'s too high corporate 35% tax rate anymore. What a bullcrap argument that was.


When comparing American tax codes to "the rest of the world", remember that US companies get to deduct their expenses BEFORE taxes.

in other parts of the world, they tax the gross. As well they should. Net is fantasy money. So if corporate america really wants tax rates like the rest of the world, we are HAPPY to oblige.
 
2012-11-19 11:22:13 AM  

Epoch_Zero: NateGrey: Cletus C.: Once the rich are paying their "fair share" Democrats can declare victory.

Lets ask the idiots who lost the election how to run the country.

They wouldn't have lost if it wasn't for those damn blacks and all the gifts the president has given them. Clearly, the Republicans really won due to having actual votes from Real Americans and not just welfare queens.



Everyone knows only white hetro males are 'Real Americans' TM. Women might be included as long as they accept that they are just an extension of their husbands opinions.
 
2012-11-19 11:22:18 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Zeb Hesselgresser: So, having no actual influence of her own

Minority leader of the House of Representatives, Former Majority Leader = non-influential. Gotcha.


Exactly. Minority leader has no influence whatsoever. Just like Mitch McConnell has no influence as a minority leader.
 
2012-11-19 11:22:47 AM  
Oh yes, and in a European VAT style system all of the middlemen pay tax too.

Again, if that's what you want corporate america, WE ARE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR MONEY. Keep complaining assholes.
 
2012-11-19 11:24:38 AM  

EighthDay: Zeb Hesselgresser: So, having no actual influence of her own, she's become a spokesperson for the White House. She's just noise.

It's amusing that you think this of the House Minority leader when discussing a bill that will need bipartisan support due to the Tea Party caucus. Pelosi isn't the pushover Reid is when it comes to wrangling Democrats. Boehner or Cantor piss her off bad enough, no deal that will make it past the Senate.


It's amusing that you think ANYTHING Boehner passes will make it past the Senate. Lately, NOTHING makes it past the Senate. I see gridlock, everywhere.  Hope I'm wrong.
 
2012-11-19 11:26:31 AM  

Fatbeard: Good. I hope they stick to their guns.
Raise taxes on income over 250k.
Raise retirement age to 75.
Remove tax break on Social Security pay in.
Lower taxes on companies that hire here.
Remove loopholes and corporate welfare for oil and farm companies.
Cut military spending or at least shift the money put in to taking care of our troops.
I think that would be a good starting point.


If by "starting point" you intend the "ending point" to be frog marching billionaires and their political cronies out to time square and summarily executing them.
 
2012-11-19 11:27:37 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Fatbeard: Good. I hope they stick to their guns.
Raise taxes on income over 250k.

Good
Raise retirement age to 75.
Why? Why not just demand that people work until they die?

"Boy howdee, I sure love that I get to rest for the last five to ten years of my life in which I'll likely be in poor health, and will not be able to enjoy fulfilling activities the way I could when I was younger!"

Remove tax break on Social Security pay in.
Good.

Lower taxes on companies that hire here.

As opposed to now - when we have the lowest effective corporate tax rate in the modernized world?

Remove loopholes and corporate welfare for oil and farm companies.

Good.
Cut military spending or at least shift the money put in to taking care of our troops.

Good.
I think that would be a good starting point.

Or "means to an end".


Yeah the Raising Retirement Age to 75 is going to be unpopular but honestly 65 is not realistic for a safety net program when people are now living well into their 90s. It's also giving the Right and to some degree, the Left something to champion. They could frame it as "Returning Social Security to the program it was meant to be".

On the corporate tax rate that would only apply to companies investing their money here. Whether that is through hiring or investment, if their money is going back into the economy in the US and is directly benefiting the bottom of the economic stack then we would make up lost revenue through our investment at the bottom. This also applies to my point about military spending.
 
2012-11-19 11:28:11 AM  

jso2897: Princess Ryans Knickers: Why are they trying to destroy small business like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett?!

Bad examples - those guys are class traitors, both having publicly asserted that maybe people with swimming pools full of money should pay a little bit more taxes.


I posted something on my Facebook wall about Nick Hanauer calling for higher taxes on the rich, and one Tea Partier's response was "Not a surprising view from a west coast liberal activist tree hugger who was born into wealth...." And when I called him out for making an ad hominem attack, he commented back that his attacks "[Speak] to the credibility of the source." Which, of course, let me light him up by calling him somebody who clearly doesn't actually care about credibility since he's a huge fanboy of people like Jennifer Rubin and Dick Morris who outright admitted that they were deliberately lying to and misleading their readers and viewers about Mitt Romney's campaign and his chances of winning the presidency.

Needless to say, he hasn't said anything back yet.
 
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