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2012-11-19 09:20:21 AM
I didn't know Luck played defense.
 
2012-11-19 09:21:40 AM

Free Radical: I didn't know Luck played defense.


He kinda forced himself into that a couple of times yesterday.
 
2012-11-19 09:22:56 AM

Free Radical: I didn't know Luck played defense.


Well, he DID throw two TDs to the Pats.
 
2012-11-19 09:28:11 AM

Free Radical: I didn't know Luck played defense.


Luck threw two pick 6 and fumbled another one that went for a TD, so you can attribute 21 of those points directly to Luck.
 
2012-11-19 09:30:11 AM
So what you are all saying is that Luck was involved...
 
2012-11-19 09:32:31 AM
Though in fairness, Luck never really stood a chance.

/you could say his performance in Foxboro was Manning-esque (well, for most of Manning's career).
 
2012-11-19 09:35:32 AM
Grok broke his arm on a PAT on the last run-up TD. Out 4-8 weeks.

/haters doing the Nelson Muntz dance
 
2012-11-19 09:37:35 AM
I still think that Luck kid has a future in pro ball.
 
2012-11-19 09:42:22 AM
Karma's a biatch
 
2012-11-19 09:43:03 AM
I'm still satisfied with Luck. It's not like Manning had better luck against them. Peyton not Eli.
 
2012-11-19 09:45:15 AM
Luck did okay -- after all, he threw 4 TD passes to Brady's 3

/he's a rookie, after all
//playing for Indianapolis, after all
 
2012-11-19 09:46:25 AM

Lost Thought 00: Karma's a biatch


yeah. I know we're supposed to be hard asses and say that the Pats aren't supposed to stop playing, but they went beyond the point of being a--holes and into the actually risking player health and hey looked what happened.

I wanted to see hoyer play.
 
2012-11-19 09:48:07 AM

TheOther: I still think that Luck kid has a future in pro ball.


He's certainly better than half of the QBs in the league currently. I'm just saying that people over reacted during the 400 yrd game. I pointed out his turn overs at that time when people were saying Peyton Manning was done and Robert Griffin was only looking good because he was being coddled by the 'Skins. He'll eventually start learning the different NFL coverages. After that happens he'll be really scary, but for now calm down on the hype and the crowning. He still has a long way to go.
 
2012-11-19 09:55:14 AM

thecpt: Lost Thought 00: Karma's a biatch

yeah. I know we're supposed to be hard asses and say that the Pats aren't supposed to stop playing, but they went beyond the point of being a--holes and into the actually risking player health and hey looked what happened.

I wanted to see hoyer play.


Ugh.

From SI:
Coaches have 45 active players each game. They don't have a "second team'' of the point-after-try unit. The PAT is one of the most risk-free plays in football. Rodney Harrison, the former Patriots safety now in the NBC studio with me on Sunday nights, didn't get taken off the kickoff team in routs. And Tony Dungy, who coached the Colts and Bucs, told me: "Jeff Saturday was my right guard on the PAT team, and I'd never think of taking him off. All my years in football, I never heard anyone, never heard Chuck Noll saying, 'Well, we better get Jack Ham off the PAT team.' It's not something I'd question."


 
2012-11-19 09:59:21 AM

thecpt: Lost Thought 00: Karma's a biatch

yeah. I know we're supposed to be hard asses and say that the Pats aren't supposed to stop playing, but they went beyond the point of being a--holes and into the actually risking player health and hey looked what happened.

I wanted to see hoyer play.


While I don't think Gronk should have been on the field for the PAT attempt, the Pats have been dreadful in the 4th quarter this year. I think Hoodie wanted to send a message to the team, "don't take your foot off their throats".

Plus they were playing the Colts, so a little face-rub is always in the cards.
 
2012-11-19 10:03:52 AM

thecpt: Lost Thought 00: Karma's a biatch

yeah. I know we're supposed to be hard asses and say that the Pats aren't supposed to stop playing, but they went beyond the point of being a--holes and into the actually risking player health and hey looked what happened.

I wanted to see hoyer play.


I know the Pats like to push the envelope but I think it would have been very disrespectful if they had gone to the extreme of signing a free agent during the course of a blowout just to have him come in for mop-up duty.

/Mallet is the backup QB you're looking for
 
2012-11-19 10:10:45 AM
Patriots rout the Colts 59-24. There was no bad Luck involved

FTFY, subby. He had a poor game, but I noticed that the pocket collapsed on him alot and he was making throws with odd arm angles. And even if he was responsible for 21 points for the Pats, that still leaves 38 points of blame on the defense.
 
2012-11-19 10:13:41 AM

RalphW: Ugh.


I've got my head jammed on a PAT and my neck was stiff for weeks and I've also had a high ankle sprain and was out the next week. Taking a receiving tight end off the field minimizes risk when you don't have to do an emergency two point attempt after a bad snap due to the lopsided score.

tommyl66: Mallet is the backup QB you're looking for


wondered what happened to mallet, but you totes proved me wrong on the whole substitution thing.
 
2012-11-19 10:24:14 AM

Free Radical: I didn't know Luck played defense.


maybe he should have: Link
 
2012-11-19 10:25:03 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Grok broke his arm on a PAT on the last run-up TD. Out 4-8 weeks.

/haters doing the Nelson Muntz dance


Noooooooo!
 
2012-11-19 10:33:52 AM

Droog8912: Patriots rout the Colts 59-24. There was no bad Luck involved

FTFY, subby. He had a poor game, but I noticed that the pocket collapsed on him alot and he was making throws with odd arm angles. And even if he was responsible for 21 points for the Pats, that still leaves 38 points of blame on the defense.


I think there was a punt return TD as well, so that was 7 points on special teams
 
2012-11-19 10:36:30 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Grok broke his arm on a PAT on the last run-up TD. Out 4-8 weeks.


At least it won't affect his dancing.
 
2012-11-19 10:37:45 AM
That was a tough game to watch, but I feel like the Colts offense was actually moving the ball very effectively when they weren't turning it over. Unlike the Jets game (and many, many others this year) where the Colts seem to go into a 3-and-out shell for half the game, it seemed like every drive had a chance of getting some points of the board. I guess in the grand scheme of things you would prefer 3-and-outs to pick-6's and fumbles, but i much prefer that the team have some fight to it. You kind of get the feeling this was a much closer game than the final score indicated.
 
2012-11-19 10:46:53 AM
Here's my deal. If the Pats think its big boy ball and you should expect them to run the score up on you even late in the 4th quarter, thats fine. I agree.

But I think they should expect just as many people to respond by trying to end some careers. Gronk got off easy in my book. But oooooohhhh how I loled.


I_C_Weener: I'm still satisfied with Luck. It's not like Manning had better luck against them. Peyton not Eli.


2005-2010 (colts under manning) Colts won 5, Pats 1.

Just sayin.
 
2012-11-19 10:58:50 AM

Prevailing Wind: Here's my deal. If the Pats think its big boy ball and you should expect them to run the score up on you even late in the 4th quarter, thats fine. I agree.

But I think they should expect just as many people to respond by trying to end some careers. Gronk got off easy in my book. But oooooohhhh how I loled.


I_C_Weener: I'm still satisfied with Luck. It's not like Manning had better luck against them. Peyton not Eli.

2005-2010 (colts under manning) Colts won 5, Pats 1.

Just sayin.


Who was the Colt's quarterback from 1998 to 2004?
 
2012-11-19 10:59:39 AM

fatalvenom: While I don't think Gronk should have been on the field for the PAT attempt, the Pats have been dreadful in the 4th quarter this year. I think Hoodie wanted to send a message to the team, "don't take your foot off their throats".


If he was hurt on a catch or blocking for a normal play that late in the game I would agree. However, it is a PAT, half of those are barely contested and as someone pointed out earlier, it's not like for special teams there are back up units.
 
2012-11-19 11:05:10 AM

Shaggy_C: That was a tough game to watch, but I feel like the Colts offense was actually moving the ball very effectively when they weren't turning it over. Unlike the Jets game (and many, many others this year) where the Colts seem to go into a 3-and-out shell for half the game, it seemed like every drive had a chance of getting some points of the board. I guess in the grand scheme of things you would prefer 3-and-outs to pick-6's and fumbles, but i much prefer that the team have some fight to it. You kind of get the feeling this was a much closer game than the final score indicated.


Not really. What you experienced was playing New England's shiatty defense.
 
2012-11-19 11:09:34 AM

ghall3: If he was hurt on a catch or blocking for a normal play that late in the game I would agree. However, it is a PAT, half of those are barely contested and as someone pointed out earlier, it's not like for special teams there are back up units.


But at the same time we're talking about the entire second half of the fourth quarter when the Pats clearly had the game under control. They still had all their stars in on all normal teams when they could of had the 2nd string qb and 4th string RB running between tackles. Instead you had edelman fulfilling his Napoleon complex by risking a return. Your 2nd string TE is already out as well as your primary receiver and you're still taking risks just to look good. C'mon man.
 
2012-11-19 11:12:29 AM

Prevailing Wind: Here's my deal. If the Pats think its big boy ball and you should expect them to run the score up on you even late in the 4th quarter, thats fine. I agree.

But I think they should expect just as many people to respond by trying to end some careers. Gronk got off easy in my book. But oooooohhhh how I loled.


So, to you "big boy ball" means "intentionally cause permanent, career-ending injuries to the other team" for which you "loled". Classy.
 
2012-11-19 11:17:52 AM

Prevailing Wind: Here's my deal. If the Pats think its big boy ball and you should expect them to run the score up on you even late in the 4th quarter, thats fine. I agree.

But I think they should expect just as many people to respond by trying to end some careers. Gronk got off easy in my book. But oooooohhhh how I loled.


I_C_Weener: I'm still satisfied with Luck. It's not like Manning had better luck against them. Peyton not Eli.

2005-2010 (colts under manning) Colts won 5, Pats 1.

Just sayin.


Skewed sample is skewed. Brady vs. Manning (2001-2010) is 8-4. It's 9-4 if you count this year's match up.

/Pats fan
//Also a P. Manning fan
 
2012-11-19 11:19:41 AM

RalphW: thecpt: Lost Thought 00: Karma's a biatch

yeah. I know we're supposed to be hard asses and say that the Pats aren't supposed to stop playing, but they went beyond the point of being a--holes and into the actually risking player health and hey looked what happened.

I wanted to see hoyer play.

Ugh.

From SI:
Coaches have 45 active players each game. They don't have a "second team'' of the point-after-try unit. The PAT is one of the most risk-free plays in football. Rodney Harrison, the former Patriots safety now in the NBC studio with me on Sunday nights, didn't get taken off the kickoff team in routs. And Tony Dungy, who coached the Colts and Bucs, told me: "Jeff Saturday was my right guard on the PAT team, and I'd never think of taking him off. All my years in football, I never heard anyone, never heard Chuck Noll saying, 'Well, we better get Jack Ham off the PAT team.' It's not something I'd question."


Belichick is a dick for running up the score, he's done it for years...but PATs aren't "real football" especially when one team is up by 3 scores.

For those of you who have never blocked or rushed on a PAT beyond high school football (where kicking is almost always an adventure and VERY different from CFB or the NFL).

1. The middle 7 run into each other with maybe 3/4 effort...everybody has their hands extended...99% of the time both lines hold.
2. The two outsides try to dash around the flanks for that 1 in a thousand chance when the snap/hold timing is off.
3. If the snap/hold/kick timing is good, PAT is good.

And that's college football...in the Pros, it's probably 1 in 10,000 because the kicking game at the Pros is A LOT better than in college. Now, this notion that on a Pro team they didn't have back ups is ridiculous...ANYONE who can block or rush (Lineman, LBs, TEs, Fullbacks, Secondary) can play on a PAT team...seriously, anyone. But in my experience you don't sub on a PAT team unless injury, but the replacement guy will get about 3 minutes of "block that guy" or "rush between those guys" coaching before playing on a PAT team.

My question is, how the fook do you break your forearm on a PAT? I've never seen or heard of a broken arm on a PAT. Rolled ankles and stingers...sure, but a broken forearm...that's a freak injury.
 
2012-11-19 11:45:11 AM

thecpt: ghall3: If he was hurt on a catch or blocking for a normal play that late in the game I would agree. However, it is a PAT, half of those are barely contested and as someone pointed out earlier, it's not like for special teams there are back up units.

But at the same time we're talking about the entire second half of the fourth quarter when the Pats clearly had the game under control. They still had all their stars in on all normal teams when they could of had the 2nd string qb and 4th string RB running between tackles. Instead you had edelman fulfilling his Napoleon complex by risking a return. Your 2nd string TE is already out as well as your primary receiver and you're still taking risks just to look good. C'mon man.


The entire last touchdown drive was basically handoffs to Shane Vereen, the backup running back, and a pass to Welker to keep the drive alive and continue running clock off. Not exactly "taking risks just to look good."
 
2012-11-19 11:50:42 AM

Angry Buddha: Prevailing Wind: Here's my deal. If the Pats think its big boy ball and you should expect them to run the score up on you even late in the 4th quarter, thats fine. I agree.

But I think they should expect just as many people to respond by trying to end some careers. Gronk got off easy in my book. But oooooohhhh how I loled.


I_C_Weener: I'm still satisfied with Luck. It's not like Manning had better luck against them. Peyton not Eli.

2005-2010 (colts under manning) Colts won 5, Pats 1.

Just sayin.

Skewed sample is skewed. Brady vs. Manning (2001-2010) is 8-4. It's 9-4 if you count this year's match up.

/Pats fan
//Also a P. Manning fan



Are you telling me that my cherry picked data was cherry picked? The hell you say?
/I kinda thought it was a bit obvious and trollish.

The comment about breaking knees when Pats run up the score though? That should just be how you do it. Colts had 6 rookies on the field last night up against a team with the number 1 offense in the the NFL. The Pats think its ok to figuratively "step on their necks" when they are down. OK. It actually makes sense.

But, when they do, I think it should be just as ok to literally "step on their necks" in response. I'm actually confused as hell why anyone would think otherwise.

not trolling. I'm genuinely baffled.
 
2012-11-19 11:54:52 AM

degenerate-afro: TheOther: I still think that Luck kid has a future in pro ball.

He's certainly better than half of the QBs in the league currently. I'm just saying that people over reacted during the 400 yrd game. I pointed out his turn overs at that time when people were saying Peyton Manning was done and Robert Griffin was only looking good because he was being coddled by the 'Skins. He'll eventually start learning the different NFL coverages. After that happens he'll be really scary, but for now calm down on the hype and the crowning. He still has a long way to go.


It's not so much this particular game or that, but the fact that, if the playoffs started today, the Colts would be in. From worst team in the league to playoffs. Luck is certainly not the only factor, but he is the most significant. That he could do that in his rookie season is amazing.
 
2012-11-19 11:55:45 AM
Gronk injured himself on a PAT attempt. There's no issue with him being on the field at this point.

Your special teams squad is your special teams squad. Even if Gronk had been pulled 5 minutes earlier, he probably would have been in for the PAT coverage.

Why?

Because regardless of whether your starters are pulled or not, your holder/kicker are always going out there. Arguably, Mesko and Gostkowski are more valuable than Gronk in the long-term. They have to be protected.
 
2012-11-19 12:15:17 PM

Prevailing Wind: But I think they should expect just as many people to respond by trying to end some careers. Gronk got off easy in my book. But oooooohhhh how I loled.


One day you may understand football.

But I doubt it.
 
2012-11-19 12:20:29 PM

Prevailing Wind: Here's my deal. If the Pats think its big boy ball and you should expect them to run the score up on you even late in the 4th quarter, thats fine. I agree.

But I think they should expect just as many people to respond by trying to end some careers. Gronk got off easy in my book. But oooooohhhh how I loled.

"You ruined my day, so I'm going to ruin your life."

That's a totally sane and professional mindset to have.

 
2012-11-19 12:33:33 PM

thecpt: I wanted to see hoyer play.


So does he.
 
2012-11-19 12:54:46 PM
ITT: People bemoaning a lack of sportsmanship while reveling in schadenfreude over a freak injury to an All-Pro.

/You can't make this shiat up.
 
2012-11-19 01:18:42 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: ITT: People bemoaning a lack of sportsmanship while reveling in schadenfreude over a freak injury to an All-Pro.

/You can't make this shiat up.


/They started it!!!!
//corner pouts.
 
2012-11-19 01:34:58 PM
The Patriots struggled all year in the late game finishing off teams. Far too often they were up 20+ points, went into prevent mode and then had to struggle to stave off a last minute loss. They were then beat up in the press by pundits and fans not not being able to finish off teams. Now enter this week and the Patriots utterly destroy the Colts and don't let off the peddle till the finale 4 minutes or so, and now all you farktards are whining about running up the score. I think people like you are just not happy unless you have something to complain about, and fling shiat at like a retarded monkey.

As for the Gronk injury? shiat happens. He's been in 100's of punts, field goals, and PATs and no one raised an eyebrow. Injuries happen in the NFL and can happen at any time. It sucks, and you move on. What you don't do is put that one play under a microscope and blame everyone for it.
 
2012-11-19 02:55:12 PM
Patriots won. Fine. Pats hate Colts. Won't always happen. Better. Colts hate Pats. This just makes the next matches mean a bit more.

I wonder if the Pats are still getting spice delivered to hotel rooms like they did prior to the Super Bowl...
 
2012-11-19 03:12:33 PM
New England is always running up the score, where other teams would bench their starters. This is why it was so damn sweet when Eli beat them in the Super Bowl......twice.
 
2012-11-19 03:33:58 PM

hbk72777: New England is always running up the score, where other teams would bench their starters. This is why it was so damn sweet when Eli beat them in the Super Bowl......twice.


Because all the other teams bench their starters on special teams...

Oh wait, no they don't.
 
2012-11-19 03:46:19 PM

Baelz: The Patriots struggled all year in the late game finishing off teams. Far too often they were up 20+ points, went into prevent mode and then had to struggle to stave off a last minute loss. They were then beat up in the press by pundits and fans not not being able to finish off teams. Now enter this week and the Patriots utterly destroy the Colts and don't let off the peddle till the finale 4 minutes or so, and now all you farktards are whining about running up the score. I think people like you are just not happy unless you have something to complain about, and fling shiat at like a retarded monkey.

As for the Gronk injury? shiat happens. He's been in 100's of punts, field goals, and PATs and no one raised an eyebrow. Injuries happen in the NFL and can happen at any time. It sucks, and you move on. What you don't do is put that one play under a microscope and blame everyone for it.


Wow, someone in this thread DOES have a clue
 
2012-11-19 03:48:25 PM
I want the Patriots to get 55+ points the rest of the year for every game, and run up score doing it. The tears will be delicious. Tom Brady will drink them up for stamina before banging his billion dollar super model wife.
 
2012-11-19 03:58:39 PM

Baelz: I want the Patriots to get 55+ points the rest of the year for every game, and run up score doing it. The tears will be delicious. Tom Brady will drink them up for stamina before banging his billion dollar super model wife.


I'd like them to do this, then lose to the Seahawks in the Super Bowl on a ball that appears to be intercepted and is ruled a TD. My God, I'm giddy just thinking about the possibility.
 
2012-11-19 04:30:43 PM

TheOther: degenerate-afro: TheOther: I still think that Luck kid has a future in pro ball.

He's certainly better than half of the QBs in the league currently. I'm just saying that people over reacted during the 400 yrd game. I pointed out his turn overs at that time when people were saying Peyton Manning was done and Robert Griffin was only looking good because he was being coddled by the 'Skins. He'll eventually start learning the different NFL coverages. After that happens he'll be really scary, but for now calm down on the hype and the crowning. He still has a long way to go.

It's not so much this particular game or that, but the fact that, if the playoffs started today, the Colts would be in. From worst team in the league to playoffs. Luck is certainly not the only factor, but he is the most significant. That he could do that in his rookie season is amazing.


A little easier to do when you deliberately tank the previous season.
/Luck probably has a long, stellar career ahead of him.
 
2012-11-19 05:02:10 PM
As part of his regularly scheduled appearance on sports radio WEEI, Belichick was asked by co-host Michael Holley his thinking on when to pull players.

"We've seen those games in the NFL every year, teams that have a lead -- you can go back to the Indianapolis-Tampa game when they scored like 24 points in four minutes, the Buffalo-Houston playoff game where it's 35-0 at halftime and you lose 38-35, whatever it was. It doesn't take much in this league. Teams can score quickly. Turnovers.

"I think you just keep playing. At some point, there is a point [but] then you only have so many players, so somebody has to play. I think you have to be careful when you are trying to run a team to go up to one guy and say, 'Michael, we're going to leave you in the game because we don't really care about you, but Glenn, we're going to take you out because you're really important.' I don't think that's really a good way to approach a team. I've never done that. I don't think that would be a very successful approach to it."

Belichick expounded upon his thoughts on managing those situations, before adding, "Football players play football. You tell me which guys are going to get hurt and I'll get them out of there."
 
2012-11-19 05:22:01 PM
I'm a colts fan, but I don't have any ill will towards the Pats for running up.the score, it's what they do, everybody knows it. They use garbage time as practice and endurance training. However, keeping their starters out for the full 60 may come back to bite them in the ass on a short week.

Plus, as it has been said before, even if the starters were benched, Gronk probably would have still been out there for the extra point.

The asshole side of me kinda giggled when I found out about the injury, but the decent side of me said, !shiat, that sucks."
 
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