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2012-11-19 08:26:37 AM  
The Democratic governor said future generations will be living "indoors ... or we'll be living on some other planet."

Living on another world? Cool! I always wanted to know what it felt like to be a early American colonial, helping develop a new world. I'd like to live on the lush, green world with sparse human population. And I want my plot of land to be around 3,000 acres.
 
2012-11-19 08:52:50 AM  
Meh, I'm not real enthused about jogging for the master race.
 
2012-11-19 08:53:21 AM  
Humanity will not find a suitable planet or develop and build a proper colony ship before it manages to destroy itself.
 
2012-11-19 08:53:42 AM  
Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.
 
2012-11-19 08:55:20 AM  
Brown's planet is called Reality. Someday, deniers might actually try to land on it.
 
2012-11-19 08:56:22 AM  

Mrbogey: Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.


All we need to do is find a way to terraform Mars. Should be pretty simple.
 
2012-11-19 08:56:59 AM  
So they are going to put all 7 billion of us on one ship and take us there? Sounds crowded.
 
2012-11-19 08:57:20 AM  
Shiny.
 
2012-11-19 08:59:01 AM  

Mrbogey: Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.


I think that was the point he was getting at.

And either way we will have to colonize other planets eventually or face extinction, but we certainly don't have the technology to do it right just yet.
 
2012-11-19 08:59:59 AM  
Hahaha the people of New Jersey laugh at you!
 
2012-11-19 09:00:38 AM  

Kuroshin: Humanity will not find a suitable planet or develop and build a proper colony ship before it manages to destroy itself.


Pretty much this.
 
2012-11-19 09:01:48 AM  
Not at the rate the U.S. is going in leading the world in space exploration. Better to focus on this planet

(I say that knowing Obama wants us to pay passage on other countries space technology instead)
 
2012-11-19 09:06:36 AM  
Ride the moonbeam.
 
2012-11-19 09:06:44 AM  
people seem to forget he is called moonbeam for a reason
 
2012-11-19 09:11:05 AM  

Gwyrddu: Mrbogey: Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.

I think that was the point he was getting at.

And either way we will have to colonize other planets eventually or face extinction, but we certainly don't have the technology or the political will to do it right just yet.


FTFY
 
2012-11-19 09:12:08 AM  

cwolf20: Not at the rate the U.S. is going in leading the world in space exploration. Better to focus on this planet

(I say that knowing Obama wants us to pay passage on other countries space technology instead)


You must not read any space related news. You should read more...
 
2012-11-19 09:12:13 AM  
Personally I think that there will be one of many other factors which will cause humanity to get his ass kicked long before any kind of global warming shiat happens. It may not wipe us out but it will sure humble the fu(k out of us.
 
2012-11-19 09:17:39 AM  
I'd like for Gov. Brown to put down the hash pipe for a few minutes and tell us which Earth-like planet he would recommend.
 
2012-11-19 09:21:30 AM  

Cythraul: Mrbogey: Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.

All we need to do is find a way to terraform Mars. Should be pretty simple.


Ohitsthistreadagain.jpg

Mars doesn't have an iron core. No Van Allen belts for you. The atmosphere is being stripped away by the solar wind faster than it can generate and harsh radiation bakes the surface instead of being deflected.

We can't even fund fiscally sane healthcare, or stop lobbing rockets at each other and you think we can fund a ship with the matte rials to terraform Mars and get enough people there?
 
2012-11-19 09:21:55 AM  

bim1154: Personally I think that there will be one of many other factors which will cause humanity to get his ass kicked long before any kind of global warming shiat happens. It may not wipe us out but it will sure humble the fu(k out of us.


Cyborgs kicking our asses off the planet and chasing the remainder around the galaxy.

I think we find a habitable planet in the end though, so we got that going for us.
 
2012-11-19 09:24:59 AM  

lohphat: Cythraul: Mrbogey: Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.

All we need to do is find a way to terraform Mars. Should be pretty simple.

Ohitsthistreadagain.jpg

Mars doesn't have an iron core. No Van Allen belts for you. The atmosphere is being stripped away by the solar wind faster than it can generate and harsh radiation bakes the surface instead of being deflected.

We can't even fund fiscally sane healthcare, or stop lobbing rockets at each other and you think we can fund a ship with the matte rials to terraform Mars and get enough people there?


You really thought I was being serious? Heh.

It's far more likely that humanity will never leave this rock as we will most likely end up destroying ourselves. Our rate of technological discovery in the way of space travel and planetary engineering has to outpace the rate at which we are killing each other or the rate at which we are damaging this world. I don't think that's currently the case.
 
2012-11-19 09:26:00 AM  

JackieRabbit: I'd like for Gov. Brown to put down the hash pipe for a few minutes and tell us which Earth-like planet he would recommend.


Here's a list:www.hpcf.upr.edu
 
2012-11-19 09:31:27 AM  
California above all others.
 
2012-11-19 09:34:43 AM  

Gwyrddu: JackieRabbit: I'd like for Gov. Brown to put down the hash pipe for a few minutes and tell us which Earth-like planet he would recommend.

Here's a list:[www.hpcf.upr.edu image 850x637]


Oh, a generally hypothetical list of possibly habitable planets (we really have no way to know for sure). And how far away are these new vacation destinations? Inasmuch as we do not have the capability for manned interstellar travel and won't for several hundred years, the point is moot.
 
2012-11-19 09:42:13 AM  
Jerry Brown is mental.
 
2012-11-19 09:44:44 AM  

mat catastrophe: California above all others.


Uber alles?
 
2012-11-19 09:46:29 AM  
But if we don`t do anything about (a news item I wish to promote a one sided discussion about) then we will have to (unrealistic option designed to provide a false dichotemy)
 
2012-11-19 09:47:02 AM  

JackieRabbit: Oh, a generally hypothetical list of possibly habitable planets (we really have no way to know for sure). And how far away are these new vacation destinations? Inasmuch as we do not have the capability for manned interstellar travel and won't for several hundred years, the point is moot.


I find that predictions of how long certain technologies take to get off the ground to be a difficult problem to estimate. In the sixties people thought that space flight would be easy in the future while severely underestimating advances in computer technology. Interstellar space flight could take hundreds of years, or unexpected breakthroughs and development could get us there a lot sooner.

Anyway, I'd say his statement is a moot point mostly because he wasn't seriously suggesting a planetary colonizing program as a plausible solution to global warming, he was bringing up more as absurd alternatives to the relatively easier problem of fixing the problem here on earth.

That isn't to say though that interstellar exploration and eventual colonization isn't worth talking about as well. However long we may think it would take to develop the technology, it will never happen if we don't start down that path.
 
2012-11-19 09:54:51 AM  

Gwyrddu: Mrbogey: Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.

I think that was the point he was getting at.


Yes, pretty much this. That said, carbon trading is a farce that does nothing to reduce emissions. It just allows big emitters to pay a tax to the government while they keep right on emitting. The program will simply drive away the very businesses and industry California needs to keep paying all those taxes. Everything can't convert to emissions-free software development.

The only way something like this, "cap"...not "trade", is if it's instituted nation-wide, which isn't going to happen anytime soon. And wouldn't male a difference globally anyway, since China, India, Brazil and other large developing countries are belching out CO2 like there's not tomorrow,

It's going to be a bumpy ride, environmentally speaking, for the next century or so until solar and other renewables come on line in sufficient numbers. Or we could build new generation reactors...
 
2012-11-19 09:57:18 AM  
Yeah, a conditional statement of alternatives to having to live indoors or extinction is surely nutty. Never mind that this is one of the central tenets of the science fiction most of you 'tards worship, Jerry Brown is the crazy loner.
 
2012-11-19 10:00:59 AM  
Humanity isn't going to destroy ourselves. That's just hysterical short-term thinking. Will we continue to live the cushy First World existence that we all love to vilify from the comfort of nice desks and $200 laptops? Probably not. But homo sapiens will survive. It's all just ebb and flow.
 
2012-11-19 10:03:27 AM  

dready zim: mat catastrophe: California above all others.

Uber alles?


Yes.

/feels like you ruined the joke for some reason
 
2012-11-19 10:04:57 AM  
With my luck I'd be assigned a cabin right next to some televangelist - Prolly have the same dinner time and have to sit at the same table. Like that cruise to hell a few years ago.



Couldn't get drunk enough to deal - took my meals on the Lido deck, with that bartender, the one in sequins and the seriously hydraulic chest.
 
2012-11-19 10:08:16 AM  

Marcintosh: With my luck I'd be assigned a cabin right next to some televangelist - Prolly have the same dinner time and have to sit at the same table. Like that cruise to hell a few years ago.



Couldn't get drunk enough to deal - took my meals on the Lido deck, with that bartender, the one in sequins and the seriously hydraulic chest.


Sounds like every fu(king holiday with my sister-in-law and her husband for the past 31 years.
 
2012-11-19 10:20:24 AM  
Are you freakin kidding me? The chance at planetary settlement? You people aren't down with that? Buncha wimps.
 
2012-11-19 10:22:59 AM  

Son of Thunder: Shiny.




Came here for this---

I'm not worried about the Earth That Was. It will self-correct long after my kids and I are gone.
 
2012-11-19 10:26:44 AM  
When he's done with that he should get back to work on the time machine.
We need more 1970's Ronstadt
 
2012-11-19 10:27:56 AM  
Gee, it'd be swell if we had some sort of program for exploring space and stuff. Some sort of program that was, um, attempting to actually land people on other planets.

Wonder what something like that might look like?
 
2012-11-19 11:00:05 AM  

Cythraul: The Democratic governor said future generations will be living "indoors ... or we'll be living on some other planet."

Living on another world? Cool! I always wanted to know what it felt like to be a early American colonial, helping develop a new world. I'd like to live on the lush, green world with sparse human population. And I want my plot of land to be around 3,000 acres.


Can I talk to you for a minute about the cult church of the Latter Day Saints? You get your own planet! Just hope it isn't right next to Romney's .
 
2012-11-19 11:11:38 AM  
Never is my best guess when it comes to practical, large-scale inter-stellar travel. Hell, our physics practically precludes it on a theoretical basis. Yet, there are really, really people who think that what could generously be called this scintilla of a possibility justifies continuing to pollute.

//Mike Royko > Jerry Brown
//As things stand, currently.
 
2012-11-19 11:28:49 AM  

signaljammer: Never is my best guess when it comes to practical, large-scale inter-stellar travel. Hell, our physics practically precludes it on a theoretical basis.


That's because you perception of what is practical is too narrow. Hollow out an asteroid, fill it with an inter-generational colony ship with sufficient fuel and send it off with a drive that can approach the speed of light and you could eventually reach any star in the galaxy. Actually, you could probably reach most of the galaxy just by making 10 to 15 year jumps between star systems. The science already exists for interstellar travel and colonization, it is just the engineering and technology that is currently lacking, and we'll have that as well eventually.

Yet, there are really, really people who think that what could generously be called this scintilla of a possibility justifies continuing to pollute.

Possibly, but again Jerry Brown was not advocating that we continue to pollute based on the alternatives he presented, he was advocating we not pollute because the alternatives he suggesting were absurd in comparison.
 
2012-11-19 11:30:01 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Brown's planet is called Reality. Someday, deniers might actually try to land on it.


Bwa-hahahahaha

Can't read, huh?

Planet as been cooling for 16 years.
 
2012-11-19 12:01:53 PM  

signaljammer: //Mike Royko > Jerry Brown
//As things stand, currently.



Royko isn't doing much standing at all right now.

/And Brown was a "moonbeam" for thinking global communication satellites were a good idea.
 
2012-11-19 12:03:39 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: TheMysteriousStranger: Brown's planet is called Reality. Someday, deniers might actually try to land on it.

Bwa-hahahahaha

Can't read, huh?

Planet as been cooling for 16 years.


Fascinating theory.
 
2012-11-19 12:04:38 PM  
Jerry Brown is a symptom of California's mental disease. Keep voting Democrat...it's working out GREAT.
 
2012-11-19 12:06:14 PM  
He's like the old man in the park yelling at trees.
 
2012-11-19 12:12:29 PM  

meta1hed: Jerry Brown is a symptom of California's mental disease. Keep voting Democrat...it's working out GREAT.


You mean like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Pete Wilson and Ronald Reagan?
 
2012-11-19 12:17:25 PM  

JackieRabbit: I'd like for Gov. Brown to put down the hash pipe for a few minutes and tell us which Earth-like planet he would recommend.


If you could put your dick down long enough to learn how to read you would know he was recommending we not trash this one.
 
2012-11-19 12:19:29 PM  
Just when I was starting to think Brown is a semi-normal guy he comes out with this crap. I was hoping that in his old age he wouldnt have these dipshiat hippy ideas. Man made global warming does not exist. The planet is going to be just dandy. There is no need for us to start scoping out other planets.
 
2012-11-19 12:50:33 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Just when I was starting to think Brown is a semi-normal guy he comes out with this crap. I was hoping that in his old age he wouldnt have these dipshiat hippy ideas. Man made global warming does not exist. The planet is going to be just dandy.


You seem pretty certain of that for some reason. Yet most scientists, insurance companies and even the Navy all not only know that the Earth is getting warmer but use that information to more effectively do their job. It is also well known that the amount of greenhouse gases has been increasing over time along with the average global temperature. It is also known that the presence of greenhouse gases traps heat in the atmosphere and thus has effect on global temperature.

Things do get more complicated from there. We do know human activity, especially the burning of fossil fuels releases large amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. There are also plenty of other CO2 sources and sinks in the world as well, one of those sinks being forests, especially the amazon rain forest which we've cut down a lot of thus removing a major feedback loop that could slow global warming.

But it is legitimate to question how much global warming is due to human influence and how much is naturally occurring. But just because there may be natural occurring global warming doesn't mean we aren't or that we should help it along. And just because the earth will be fine doesn't mean human civilization will be fine. Jerry Brown I think was exaggerating on the effects of global warming, but it is clear that global warming will be and probably already has been an expensive proposition, more expensive than actually doing something about it.

And that is not even including all the side benefits of efficiency of green technology. Technologies that waste less resources are just likely to become more profitable as traditional energy sources inevitably become more expensive.
 
2012-11-19 01:02:47 PM  

mat catastrophe: dready zim: mat catastrophe: California above all others.

Uber alles?

Yes.

/feels like you ruined the joke for some reason


thats what i was thinking :(
 
2012-11-19 01:07:57 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Clemkadidlefark: TheMysteriousStranger: Brown's planet is called Reality. Someday, deniers might actually try to land on it.

Bwa-hahahahaha

Can't read, huh?

Planet as been cooling for 16 years.

Fascinating theory.


its as valid as global warming, unfortunately the quickly referenced citation was on infowars, and I do not trust that scource for anything, but like a broken clock it is right 2 times a day.
 
2012-11-19 01:13:43 PM  

SgtArkie: its as valid as global warming,


That's like saying "It's snowing outside right now" is as equally valid as saying "It is a clear sunny day". Either the earth is warming or cooling, and you can easily figure out which just by taking enough temperature readings in enough places over time.
 
2012-11-19 02:12:33 PM  
Sorry, assuming global warming is as awesome as lefties/planet worshippers/etc. keeps saying, then that means that we'll have land development available in Northern Canada and Siberia for the first time. And maybe even the Antarctic eventually.
 
2012-11-19 02:40:30 PM  

Jarhead_h: Sorry, assuming global warming is as awesome as lefties/planet worshippers/etc. keeps saying, then that means that we'll have land development available in Northern Canada and Siberia for the first time. And maybe even the Antarctic eventually.


Yeah, it IS an interesting quandary. For most enviros climate change is BAD, but from what I've read it's not nearly that cut-n-dried. For the price of a few Pacific islands we can have millions of hectares more arable land. Moreover, Oz and North Africa might get wetter, vastly increasing their ag potential. Other places that get too much water might dry out a bit, making them them better ag land, too.

Too often the enviros appear to want the maintain the status quo for ill defined reasons, when change might be a net positive.
 
2012-11-19 02:53:13 PM  

Stone Meadow: Yeah, it IS an interesting quandary. For most enviros climate change is BAD, but from what I've read it's not nearly that cut-n-dried. For the price of a few Pacific islands we can have millions of hectares more arable land. Moreover, Oz and North Africa might get wetter, vastly increasing their ag potential. Other places that get too much water might dry out a bit, making them them better ag land, too.

Too often the enviros appear to want the maintain the status quo for ill defined reasons, when change might be a net positive.


It's more than just a few pacific islands. More than 3 billion people live near the coasts, and thus will be affected by rising sea levels. Combine that with more extreme weather events from global warming such a more and bigger hurricanes, and you are looking at untold damage just from that. Add in all the desertification that global warming will add on top of land lost under the ocean and suddenly it's less certain there will be any real land gains. Also, the Sahara desert is growing and I understand that global warming is amplifying that effect, not making the desert more habitable.
 
2012-11-19 03:20:34 PM  
Note: Male Mormons will still each get their own planet to breed on to their hearts content.

Seeing as environmental scientists think we may already need four to five planets to give the current population of the Earth enough resources to live like it is the God Given Right of Americans and all other free peoples to live, we have to hope they are right.

Of course, there's no telling what will happen when those planets fill up.

By the way, I was wondering. Exactly how does all that breeding work? With one family per planet, just like in the days of Adam and Eve, it must involve a certain amount of incest.

Is incest really best? If the fall in life expectancies from Adam to Abraham is any indication, I would think there might be a downside, even with an infinity of planets. After all, some Mormons may very well have perfect genomes, especially since they will include all of our ancestors by then. At some point, there must have been at least one human male with no genetic tares at all, after all, many royal families bred successfully for centuries. I know of one in the New World which was considered quasi-divine because they did. Presumably all of those Mormon colonies will go extinct except for the lucky one which can breed incestuously forever. These will spread over the Universe to keep the hill billy sister-banging down to distant cousins a few hundred times removed.

Oh, well, I'll leave the details to those who seriously believe that we can do this. They'll be the first into the cooking pot, come the world wide crash, should they prove wrong.
 
2012-11-19 03:35:53 PM  

Gwyrddu: Stone Meadow: Yeah, it IS an interesting quandary. For most enviros climate change is BAD, but from what I've read it's not nearly that cut-n-dried. For the price of a few Pacific islands we can have millions of hectares more arable land. Moreover, Oz and North Africa might get wetter, vastly increasing their ag potential. Other places that get too much water might dry out a bit, making them them better ag land, too.

Too often the enviros appear to want the maintain the status quo for ill defined reasons, when change might be a net positive.

It's more than just a few pacific islands. More than 3 billion people live near the coasts, and thus will be affected by rising sea levels. Combine that with more extreme weather events from global warming such a more and bigger hurricanes, and you are looking at untold damage just from that. Add in all the desertification that global warming will add on top of land lost under the ocean and suddenly it's less certain there will be any real land gains. Also, the Sahara desert is growing and I understand that global warming is amplifying that effect, not making the desert more habitable.


The earth has been warming and the oceans have been rising for nearly 20,000 years, and many studies show they will continue to do so purely from natural causes. Odds are it will end within the next few millennium, and reverse course, but for now there is nothing we can do to stop it.

www.globalwarmingart.com

That is enough reason right there for humans to take care to stabilize our collective shorelines. We don't have to resort to manufactured panic, call for an end to growth, or even impose draconian anti-CO2 measures. Shiat's gonna happen, but we'll make it through this, too.
 
2012-11-19 04:48:44 PM  

Stone Meadow: The earth has been warming and the oceans have been rising for nearly 20,000 years, and many studies show they will continue to do so purely from natural causes. Odds are it will end within the next few millennium, and reverse course, but for now there is nothing we can do to stop it.


There is a lot of things we can do to exacerbate the problem though. Just because we didn't cause the stab wound doesn't mean we should pick at it.

That is enough reason right there for humans to take care to stabilize our collective shorelines. We don't have to resort to manufactured panic, call for an end to growth, or even impose draconian anti-CO2 measures. Shiat's gonna happen, but we'll make it through this, too.

None of those things are necessary to go on an environmental friendly path we should travel on even if global warming didn't exist. Oil is only going to get more expensive after all, and solutions that reduce CO2 emissions for example will probably also be more economical in the long run. There is good reason to nudge corporations into making green decisions that will actually help them over the long term.
 
2012-11-19 05:22:30 PM  

Gwyrddu: Stone Meadow: The earth has been warming and the oceans have been rising for nearly 20,000 years, and many studies show they will continue to do so purely from natural causes. Odds are it will end within the next few millennium, and reverse course, but for now there is nothing we can do to stop it.

There is a lot of things we can do to exacerbate the problem though. Just because we didn't cause the stab wound doesn't mean we should pick at it.


"We" have been doing lots about it for years. Better fuel economy. Lower smokestack emissions. Dramatic increases in renewable energy use, etc., but the conservation efforts of the West pale in comparison to the growth in emissions of the developing world. Here's a chart showing China now has 50% higher CO2 emissions than the US, which is a MUCH bigger economy. India, Brazil and others are hot on China's heals. My point is that any savings we can realize are a drop in the bucket compared to the flow of new, off shore emissions.

Therefore, I think it's wasted effort for us to go overboard about the mote in our eye, while ignoring the beam in theirs.
 
2012-11-19 05:24:28 PM  
We should ridicule people that dream big. Only way they'll learn.
 
2012-11-19 05:26:17 PM  

Stone Meadow: Here's a chart showing China now has 50% highersurpassing US CO2 emissions than the US, which is a MUCH bigger economy.


images.wri.org 

Fixed...clicked add comment too soon.
 
2012-11-19 06:31:56 PM  
I do not sign off for a moment on this global warming scam, but if it were true it would be good for humanity.

There are 7 billion people on the planet and most of them are very hungry, so anything which lengthens the growing season is a good deal as far as I am concerned. If crops could be planted in Siberia and Canada farther north than is practical now, that would be excellent too.

It has been warmer than it is now at least 3 times in the last 2000 years, but the problem is: It has also been colder, by a very wide margin.

If it turns cold in 100 years, and we have 12 billion people to feed, and all our crops are custom--designed to thrive in abnormally warm weather, the growing season shrinks and arable land is decreased, that would be a real catastrophe in every sense of the word.
 
2012-11-19 08:20:01 PM  

mod3072: So they are going to put all 7 billion of us on one ship and take us there? Sounds crowded.


No, they're going to put us on three ships.

Your berth will be on the second of the three arks. The 'B' ark.
 
2012-11-19 08:58:18 PM  

olddinosaur: I do not sign off for a moment on this global warming scam, but if it were true it would be good for humanity.

There are 7 billion people on the planet and most of them are very hungry, so anything which lengthens the growing season is a good deal as far as I am concerned. If crops could be planted in Siberia and Canada farther north than is practical now, that would be excellent too.

It has been warmer than it is now at least 3 times in the last 2000 years, but the problem is: It has also been colder, by a very wide margin.

If it turns cold in 100 years, and we have 12 billion people to feed, and all our crops are custom--designed to thrive in abnormally warm weather, the growing season shrinks and arable land is decreased, that would be a real catastrophe in every sense of the word.


Good thoughts here, but should we extrapolate by having perfect growing conditions for an additonal 100 years, then there will just be that many more hungry people for when the planet burps, raising or lowering the temps by five degrees. Thus, by having ideal conditions, we only delay the inevitable, and in the delay, additional billions will be born only to starve after the last resources are depleted.

Solutions? I dont' have any. Neither does anybody. The 22nd Century is gonna suck.

/Gonna hide behind my gigantic stone Mayan Calender and rid it all out. Bwahahahaha!
 
2012-11-19 09:18:21 PM  
How many of you Farkers have been to a different continent?

North America is extremely clean compared to Asia, any where in Asia. Period. Nope, cleaner than that.

Even if you judged European capitals by New York city, we'd beat them. Scandinavian capitals are a push.

Hell, you can drink our tap water. You can breath our air, with out chewing first.

We only think we are dirty.
 
2012-11-19 09:37:53 PM  

Slam1263: Even if you judged European capitals by New York city, we'd beat them. Scandinavian capitals are a push.


I'd have to disagree with you on that one. I mean NYC does have much tighter smoking laws that make it easier on non-smokers, but other than the European capitals I've seen generally win on cleanliness (which would be Berlin, Paris and Prague, and Amsterdam). Not having to deal with the aroma of urine and/or vomit in the NYC subway system, nor the rats or the huge waterbugs that would randomly pop up in the city or a the ton of homeless makes me definitely put Europe above the NYC streets I grew up on.
 
2012-11-19 09:47:45 PM  

Gwyrddu: Slam1263: Even if you judged European capitals by New York city, we'd beat them. Scandinavian capitals are a push.

I'd have to disagree with you on that one. I mean NYC does have much tighter smoking laws that make it easier on non-smokers, but other than the European capitals I've seen generally win on cleanliness (which would be Berlin, Paris and Prague, and Amsterdam). Not having to deal with the aroma of urine and/or vomit in the NYC subway system, nor the rats or the huge waterbugs that would randomly pop up in the city or a the ton of homeless makes me definitely put Europe above the NYC streets I grew up on.


Also, one more thing that leaves no doubt as to how unclean NYC is was when I was young and sailing back into the Lower Bay with my father and we could see the huge billowing cloud of brown smog roll off the island of Manhattan into the water, towering far above even the Twin Towers and the Empire State Building. And this is a city where the nearby water should easily exchange the air column over the city, I'd hate to see the crap that people in places like Los Angeles are breathing.
 
2012-11-20 12:04:15 PM  
Giving up on Luke 12:48 now, Gov Brown?
 
2012-11-20 10:23:28 PM  

Gwyrddu: Ima4nic8or: Just when I was starting to think Brown is a semi-normal guy he comes out with this crap. I was hoping that in his old age he wouldnt have these dipshiat hippy ideas. Man made global warming does not exist. The planet is going to be just dandy.

You seem pretty certain of that for some reason. Yet most scientists, insurance companies and even the Navy all not only know that the Earth is getting warmer but use that information to more effectively do their job. It is also well known that the amount of greenhouse gases has been increasing over time along with the average global temperature. It is also known that the presence of greenhouse gases traps heat in the atmosphere and thus has effect on global temperature.

Things do get more complicated from there. We do know human activity, especially the burning of fossil fuels releases large amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. There are also plenty of other CO2 sources and sinks in the world as well, one of those sinks being forests, especially the amazon rain forest which we've cut down a lot of thus removing a major feedback loop that could slow global warming.

But it is legitimate to question how much global warming is due to human influence and how much is naturally occurring. But just because there may be natural occurring global warming doesn't mean we aren't or that we should help it along. And just because the earth will be fine doesn't mean human civilization will be fine. Jerry Brown I think was exaggerating on the effects of global warming, but it is clear that global warming will be and probably already has been an expensive proposition, more expensive than actually doing something about it.

And that is not even including all the side benefits of efficiency of green technology. Technologies that waste less resources are just likely to become more profitable as traditional energy sources inevitably become more expensive.


Have you ever looked into the externalities of solar power? Wind power?

I want solar panels to be efficient, as of today, 20 November 2012, any solar cell, in any array, will produce less electricity than was consumed in its production.

If we were serious about wind power, we would be using verticle blade designs.

All we are doing is handing taxpayer money to very large corporations for, well, what the hell are we paying very large corporation for?
 
2012-11-20 10:30:04 PM  

Krieghund: mod3072: So they are going to put all 7 billion of us on one ship and take us there? Sounds crowded.

No, they're going to put us on three ships.

Your berth will be on the second of the three arks. The 'B' ark.


I'm a telephone sanitizer also, but I sell drugs on the side, so it'll be the A ship for me.
 
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