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(Telegraph)   "But if you live in France, you're used to being judged harshly"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 36
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2012-11-19 09:12:50 AM  
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2012-11-19 09:13:29 AM  
He should be bitterly disappointed in himself. These failures are, after all, his progeny and he taught them their values.
 
2012-11-19 09:14:06 AM  
This is what makes news in Britain now? An email from an angry father?

Glad to see the US isnt the only country in the world whose news media is slowly circling the drain.
 
2012-11-19 09:15:50 AM  
Daughter defends area man who told children he was 'bitterly disappointed' in them
 
2012-11-19 09:21:33 AM  
A real man would choke back his ego and tell his kids he was proud of them.
they aren't junkies or thieves.
He could have done worse.

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If it wasn't for their hot women, wine, excellent food, and faboo artists, they would be nothing.
 
2012-11-19 09:23:18 AM  

LewDux: Daughter defends area man who told children he was 'bitterly disappointed' in them


Speaking of Area Man (Superpower: appearing in news stories), I don't see him around too often. Did he finally run afoul of the law one too many times?
 
2012-11-19 09:24:04 AM  
But if you live in France, you're used to being judged harshly."

I think it was Jean-Paul Sartre who said, "Hell is other people" and he should know since he was from France.
 
2012-11-19 09:24:15 AM  

Father_Jack: This is what makes news in Britain now? An email from an angry father?

Glad to see the US isnt the only country in the world whose news media is slowly circling the drain.


Circling?

Slowly??!
 
2012-11-19 09:24:56 AM  

vudukungfu: If it wasn't for their hot women, wine, excellent food, and faboo artists, they would be nothing.


Don't forget existential ennui.
 
2012-11-19 09:25:51 AM  

The 67-year-old former Royal Navy officer said his "beautiful" grandchildren had parents who lacked maturity and sound judgment. "It makes us weak that so many of these events are copulation-driven, and then helpless to see these lovely little people being so woefully let down by you, their parents," he wrote.
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Mr Crews's email to Mrs Crews-Montes, and her younger siblings Alice, 38, and Fred, 35, included criticism that despite their private education they had "contrived to avoid even moderate achievement". He signed off by saying he did not want to hear any more from them until they had "a success or an achievement" or a realistic plan for the support and happiness of their own children to report.


To be fair, his kids are (or should be) old enough to have their acts together. If they were in their early 20s I'd say he was being too harsh.

I'm just wondering why anyone felt it needed to be published.
 
2012-11-19 09:26:20 AM  
First.... She published this email? So, she felt the need to publish not only that she's a whiny little failure, but that her is a critical douchebag? What his children did with their lives is their business, not his, and what they "achieve" or don't is also none of his business.

IF she felt the same way and that they needed a "kick in the pants", swell... But how that shiat is news is completely beyond me.

It's starting to sound more and more like The Onion has invaded real life. I'm waiting for the day I read that some guy in Manchester had a really really bad pudding.

Oh yeah, and French...

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2012-11-19 09:27:35 AM  
This is very important. What is Obama doing about it?
 
mhd
2012-11-19 09:30:56 AM  
TFA: "She said her father's email did not upset her because she had already begun to turn her life around when she received it in February. She had set up a business and had started translating a French self-help book into English."

I smell a homebrew viral marketing campaign.
 
2012-11-19 09:33:17 AM  
Are we not over the self-esteem movement yet?
 
2012-11-19 09:34:01 AM  
Hey, let's not confuse Paris attitudes with the rest of the country.
 
2012-11-19 09:37:56 AM  

vudukungfu: A real man would choke back his ego and tell his kids he was proud of them.
they aren't junkies or thieves.
He could have done worse.


"could have done worse" isn't what successful people aim for, little Billy. His kids are over forty and they are completely useless, and they're going to be a burden on the state in a few more decades. I'd say his disappointment is pretty warranted. Sorry your parents didn't love you enough to care how you turned out.
 
2012-11-19 09:40:54 AM  

vudukungfu: A real man would choke back his ego and tell his kids he was proud of them.
they aren't junkies or thieves.
He could have done worse.



"I'm not a criminal or a drug addict" is not an accomplishment. That's just something you're expected to manage no matter what. There is no prize for it.
 
2012-11-19 09:44:56 AM  
Looks like dad was away a lot playing submarine captain.
 
2012-11-19 09:52:19 AM  
Good for her. She's taking charge of her life, which will benefit her.

I agree with Deep_Contact's implied point, which is that in "privileged" families, Moms and Dads are generally dedicated to their careers and essentially leave their children to be raised by wolves.

While that's a tragedy, the solution is to take charge and do something great with your life, especially something that uses your above-average skills.

Even if it doesn't piss Dad off as much as ripping bong hits and having unprotected sex in stairwells and alleways.
 
2012-11-19 09:54:53 AM  
It may help to understand human affairs to be clear that most of the great triumphs and tragedies of history are caused, not by people being fundamentally good or fundamentally bad, but by people being fundamentally people.
 
2012-11-19 09:54:57 AM  
If only more parents were like this one. Sometimes you need admonishment so you can take a critical look at yourself. I'm an old man now, but when I was younger, my Dad took me to breakfast one morning and told me that he wasn't happy about where I was in life. He said that I needed to shape up and get myself into focus. I told me that I was better than that and if I wanted to remain a part of the family, I should prove it. That was the single best moment in my life. I did what he told me. I shaped up, got myself straightened out, and I live a good life. I owe all of that to my hard work brought on by a Dad who wasn't scared to say "I'm disappointed in you".

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I got all the beers, just like Dad said.
 
2012-11-19 09:57:32 AM  
"He complained that he and his wife, Sarah, were "constantly regaled" with stories of the "happy, successful" lives of the families of friends and relatives but had nothing to say about their own children which reflected any credit on them. "

Oh please, do you think they tell you the bad crap about their kids?
 
2012-11-19 10:03:34 AM  
Some people might consider "marrying a surgeon" a fairly bright career move and an achievement itself.
 
2012-11-19 10:24:43 AM  
Maybe being a self involved absentee father obsessed with career and being away most of their life had some bearing on that.

Stupid prick.
 
2012-11-19 10:32:31 AM  
"But if you live in France, you're used to being a judgemental elite prick"

There...fixed it.
 
2012-11-19 10:37:01 AM  
So, um... Better late than never?
 
2012-11-19 10:46:58 AM  

SkunkWerks: So, um... Better late than never?


Incidentally, I don't really know whether dad was over-critical or under-critical here, and I'm not willing to address it one way or the other. One e-mail well after the fact tells me almost nothing about how things came to this particular juncture.

I do think it's kinda funny though that he seems to think glowering at them this late in the game will make a huge difference. It's almost as if he seems to believe that he- as a parent- hasn't been at least partly responsible for setting the stage for his childrens' success or failure for quite a number of years (a charge he seems to have no trouble leveling at them regarding the care of his grandchildren- so we at least know he understands how the dynamic works).

I don't know if he's right, wrong, or somewhere in the middle. He does sound like quite the prick though, in any event.
 
2012-11-19 01:18:39 PM  
Seems like most of you DRTFA.
 
2012-11-19 01:44:04 PM  
Et pas une foutre a été donné, ce jour-là.
 
2012-11-19 01:47:25 PM  

bratface: Seems like most of you DRTFA.


Oh, come on! It's a Daily Telegraph article!

Don't act so surprised!

; )
 
2012-11-19 03:21:50 PM  

bratface: Seems like most of you DRTFA.


Article? I was pretty certain the only text I saw in there in there was captions for the half-a-dozen or more GIANT pictures that generally comprise most "articles" in most of Murdoch's Brit-Rags.
 
2012-11-19 04:07:16 PM  
I saw the article at another site. What I meant by the remark was the fact that those children deserved everything he said. Mainly he was trying to shield their mother from the constant phone calls 'whinging' about how their lives were s**t.
 
2012-11-19 04:38:12 PM  

mhd: TFA: "She said her father's email did not upset her because she had already begun to turn her life around when she received it in February. She had set up a business and had started translating a French self-help book into English."

I smell a homebrew viral marketing campaign.


I smell competition. I am a freelance translator living in the same region of France, so I'm really getting a kick, etc etc.
 
2012-11-19 05:08:02 PM  
"Hello, local newspaper? My father said harsh things to me. Can you publish this?"

"Sure. *takes bong hit*"
 
2012-11-19 07:21:58 PM  
French sub captain need we say more.
 
2012-11-20 07:10:51 AM  

bratface: Mainly he was trying to shield their mother from the constant phone calls 'whinging' about how their lives were s**t.


So... that worked out brilliantly, eh?

And, if I'm not mistaken, it was mother who made the letter public, yes?

So, I'm not going to rescind so much as augment my earlier statement: The whole family sounds like a bunch of pricks.
 
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