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2012-11-19 10:10:17 PM  

InmanRoshi: The term "hipster" has become so ubiquitous to the point that it's merely the catchall phrase to fill in for "people who like stuff I don't". I get that in theory it's supposed to represent pretension, but just using the word "hipster" is the height of pretension as it indicates that one has the hubris to deem themselves arbitrator of what's sincere and authentic.


What kind of hipster bullshiat is this that you're typing?
 
2012-11-19 10:11:03 PM  
IMO one of the best things about hipsters is that they piss of people like the author of TFA.

I hope her next article is on Bronies.

/not a hipster
 
2012-11-19 10:14:11 PM  
I don't understand why the author believes hipsterism is a philosophy. Having lived through the grunge movement, you'd think she'd understand that these things don't usually spring from situations where those who adopt them write up manifestos and give themselves titles.

Generally, culture evolves just like anything else -- it starts with someone doing something different, other people thinking it's cool and building upon it, and then masses of people following their lead, but with a simplified understanding of the original purposes for it. That last stage is where hipsterism is today.

And incidentally, the author has the whole culture pegged wrong -- hipsterism is not some sort of idea that being ironic is cool. It's about embracing that which has fallen out of favor and appreciating the irony of it. It's the same phenomenon that used to be called "camp", but redefined by the internet, where anything that has ever existed can be easily experienced.
 
2012-11-19 10:24:13 PM  

jaylectricity: InmanRoshi: The term "hipster" has become so ubiquitous to the point that it's merely the catchall phrase to fill in for "people who like stuff I don't". I get that in theory it's supposed to represent pretension, but just using the word "hipster" is the height of pretension as it indicates that one has the hubris to deem themselves arbitrator of what's sincere and authentic.

What kind of hipster bullshiat is this that you're typing?


Too true.
 
2012-11-19 10:26:16 PM  
I imagine if you were autistic you'd have a leg up on the rest of us.
 
2012-11-19 10:28:53 PM  
i296.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-19 10:35:24 PM  

Dafatone: Ayup. It's a lot more interesting to talk about what hipsterdom is responding to than it is to talk about why hipsters suck. Gen X saw lots of media blaring at them every two seconds and said "meh. By saying meh, I'm taking a stand against consumerism." Then a few years later, they were the blaring media and the consumers. More or less repeat this pattern for a while.

Today, hipsters see what happened to Gen X and go "screw it. If taking a stand doesn't work, I'll just look like a clown." It's pretty much the right response.


Wife and I recently ran across her DVD of Reality Bites, and we gave it a watch and laughed at the over-wrought angst of the 90's ethos. Ethan Hawke's character as the "protagonist" is particularly laughable, because he's such an overly self absorbed, angsty, navel gazing, too-cool-for-school douche. Meanwhile Ben Stiller's character, who at the time was supposedly the square corporate sellout, is really the only likeable character in the entire movie. Somewhere in the 90's music videos basically became depressing PSAs for school shootings/eating disorders/runaway children, and then people wonder why people stopped watching them and the medium went extinct.
 
2012-11-19 10:40:06 PM  

jaylectricity: InmanRoshi: The term "hipster" has become so ubiquitous to the point that it's merely the catchall phrase to fill in for "people who like stuff I don't". I get that in theory it's supposed to represent pretension, but just using the word "hipster" is the height of pretension as it indicates that one has the hubris to deem themselves arbitrator of what's sincere and authentic.

What kind of hipster bullshiat is this that you're typing?


Go away, 'baitin.
 
2012-11-19 10:41:37 PM  
this thread is kind of ... cool
/i guess
 
2012-11-19 10:49:25 PM  

InmanRoshi: Dafatone: Ayup. It's a lot more interesting to talk about what hipsterdom is responding to than it is to talk about why hipsters suck. Gen X saw lots of media blaring at them every two seconds and said "meh. By saying meh, I'm taking a stand against consumerism." Then a few years later, they were the blaring media and the consumers. More or less repeat this pattern for a while.

Today, hipsters see what happened to Gen X and go "screw it. If taking a stand doesn't work, I'll just look like a clown." It's pretty much the right response.

Wife and I recently ran across her DVD of Reality Bites, and we gave it a watch and laughed at the over-wrought angst of the 90's ethos. Ethan Hawke's character as the "protagonist" is particularly laughable, because he's such an overly self absorbed, angsty, navel gazing, too-cool-for-school douche. Meanwhile Ben Stiller's character, who at the time was supposedly the square corporate sellout, is really the only likeable character in the entire movie. Somewhere in the 90's music videos basically became depressing PSAs for school shootings/eating disorders/runaway children, and then people wonder why people stopped watching them and the medium went extinct.


Yeah. Turns out this article is just someone saying that her generation were better kids than today's kids. Everyone says this.

/I liked Soul Asylum...
//not that song, though.
 
2012-11-19 11:02:17 PM  

Joe The Plumber: this thread is kind of ... cool
/i guess


So how's that 4-year-old business you started, making $250,000 a year going for you?
 
2012-11-19 11:14:52 PM  

InmanRoshi: Wife and I recently ran across her DVD of Reality Bites, and we gave it a watch and laughed at the over-wrought angst of the 90's ethos. Ethan Hawke's character as the "protagonist" is particularly laughable, because he's such an overly self absorbed, angsty, navel gazing, too-cool-for-school douche. Meanwhile Ben Stiller's character, who at the time was supposedly the square corporate sellout, is really the only likeable character in the entire movie. Somewhere in the 90's music videos basically became depressing PSAs for school shootings/eating disorders/runaway children, and then people wonder why people stopped watching them and the medium went extinct.


The 90's just sucked. The 80's were fun and creative and vibrant and crazy, but the 90's was just a bunch of assholes whining about shiat. There are obviously some good things to come out of the decade (namely internet culture), but by and large I'm happy to see that decade gone.
 
2012-11-19 11:23:52 PM  

Mentat: InmanRoshi: Wife and I recently ran across her DVD of Reality Bites, and we gave it a watch and laughed at the over-wrought angst of the 90's ethos. Ethan Hawke's character as the "protagonist" is particularly laughable, because he's such an overly self absorbed, angsty, navel gazing, too-cool-for-school douche. Meanwhile Ben Stiller's character, who at the time was supposedly the square corporate sellout, is really the only likeable character in the entire movie. Somewhere in the 90's music videos basically became depressing PSAs for school shootings/eating disorders/runaway children, and then people wonder why people stopped watching them and the medium went extinct.

The 90's just sucked. The 80's were fun and creative and vibrant and crazy, but the 90's was just a bunch of assholes whining about shiat. There are obviously some good things to come out of the decade (namely internet culture), but by and large I'm happy to see that decade gone.


Born in 81, I was a little kid in the 80s and a teenager in the 90s.

I liked the 90s just fine, but I suspect everyone looks back fondly on their teenage years.
 
2012-11-19 11:31:45 PM  

InmanRoshi: Wife and I recently ran across her DVD of Reality Bites, and we gave it a watch and laughed at the over-wrought angst of the 90's ethos. Ethan Hawke's character as the "protagonist" is particularly laughable, because he's such an overly self absorbed, angsty, navel gazing, too-cool-for-school douche. Meanwhile Ben Stiller's character, who at the time was supposedly the square corporate sellout, is really the only likeable character in the entire movie


My takeaway from that movie wasn't that the 90's sucked so much as that nobody wants to see some dumb teenager's video blog.
 
2012-11-19 11:51:22 PM  

Mentat: InmanRoshi: Wife and I recently ran across her DVD of Reality Bites, and we gave it a watch and laughed at the over-wrought angst of the 90's ethos. Ethan Hawke's character as the "protagonist" is particularly laughable, because he's such an overly self absorbed, angsty, navel gazing, too-cool-for-school douche. Meanwhile Ben Stiller's character, who at the time was supposedly the square corporate sellout, is really the only likeable character in the entire movie. Somewhere in the 90's music videos basically became depressing PSAs for school shootings/eating disorders/runaway children, and then people wonder why people stopped watching them and the medium went extinct.

The 90's just sucked. The 80's were fun and creative and vibrant and crazy, but the 90's was just a bunch of assholes whining about shiat. There are obviously some good things to come out of the decade (namely internet culture), but by and large I'm happy to see that decade gone.


For me, the 90's will always be the Golden Era of rap/hip hop , but as far as rock goes ... yeah, I think it will be best known for the 80's college radio heroes becoming the big bloated arena rock mega label bands they were supposedly the "alternative" to (REM, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, etc).

Just like Nazi-ism could only have taken root under the conditions of post WWI depressed Germany or Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge from bombed ravaged 1970s Cambodia, only from a decimated rock'n'roll landscape of a genre that had self asphyxiated from it's own self importance could the the Spice Girls/Britney Spears/N'Synch be born.
 
2012-11-20 12:04:15 AM  

scalpod: [i296.photobucket.com image 250x250]


Win!
 
2012-11-20 12:05:32 AM  

InmanRoshi: Mentat: InmanRoshi: Wife and I recently ran across her DVD of Reality Bites, and we gave it a watch and laughed at the over-wrought angst of the 90's ethos. Ethan Hawke's character as the "protagonist" is particularly laughable, because he's such an overly self absorbed, angsty, navel gazing, too-cool-for-school douche. Meanwhile Ben Stiller's character, who at the time was supposedly the square corporate sellout, is really the only likeable character in the entire movie. Somewhere in the 90's music videos basically became depressing PSAs for school shootings/eating disorders/runaway children, and then people wonder why people stopped watching them and the medium went extinct.

The 90's just sucked. The 80's were fun and creative and vibrant and crazy, but the 90's was just a bunch of assholes whining about shiat. There are obviously some good things to come out of the decade (namely internet culture), but by and large I'm happy to see that decade gone.

For me, the 90's will always be the Golden Era of rap/hip hop , but as far as rock goes ... yeah, I think it will be best known for the 80's college radio heroes becoming the big bloated arena rock mega label bands they were supposedly the "alternative" to (REM, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, etc).

Just like Nazi-ism could only have taken root under the conditions of post WWI depressed Germany or Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge from bombed ravaged 1970s Cambodia, only from a decimated rock'n'roll landscape of a genre that had self asphyxiated from it's own self importance could the the Spice Girls/Britney Spears/N'Synch be born.


whatever...
canadianonlinegamers.com

Oh and hair bands died...

/too be continued
 
2012-11-20 02:11:57 AM  
Awful lot of angry old people in this thread.
 
2012-11-20 02:27:13 AM  
 
2012-11-20 03:30:25 AM  

Mentat: The 90's just sucked. The 80's were fun and creative and vibrant and crazy, but the 90's was just a bunch of assholes whining about shiat. There are obviously some good things to come out of the decade (namely internet culture), but by and large I'm happy to see that decade gone


Oh bullshiat. Compare 80s TV and movies to 90s TV and movies. Not even close in quality or style. Your music tastes may vary depending on your genre of choice, but the latter half of the 80s put out some of the worst "rock-n-roll" of all time. Kokomo. We Built This City. ALL OF HAIR METAL

The 90s just cleaned out most of the ick of the 80s and improved what was left.
 
2012-11-20 04:11:47 AM  
Huh. There was a comment on the actual page that expressed something you all apparently missed -

Hipsters, by and large, aren't ironic any more.

I know, like, one of the most hipstery people in the world (literally.)

He's kind've a big deal in hipsterland... Has high-powered hipster friends.

And he Loves the things that he's hipster about -

namely, 50s fashion and music.

He likes Elvis a lot. He likes to dress like James Dean. There's nothing at all ironic about it. He makes a conscious decision to portray himself as cool, and to learn what is cool, and to be cool like other people have been cool...

But it's not done Ironically. At all.

Same with, say, the crunchier hipsters that like to do things like square dance, or really like craft beers, or listen to old-time music.

It's about dissatisfaction with mainstream culture - but not about liking non-mainstream culture ironically.

They're hipsters, and they really like what they like.
 
2012-11-20 04:24:37 AM  

verbaltoxin: Oh boy.

Furthermore, the nostalgia cycles have become so short that we even try to inject the present moment with sentimentality, for example, by using certain digital filters to "pre-wash" photos with an aura of historicity. Nostalgia needs time. One cannot accelerate meaningful remembrance.

Paragraphs later....

Born in 1977, at the tail end of Generation X, I came of age in the 1990s, a decade that, bracketed neatly by two architectural crumblings - of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the Twin Towers in 2001 - now seems relatively irony-free.

Oh man, remember when we were in middle school? Wasn't being 13 so much easier than being 23? Being a grown up sucks, guys.

The grunge movement was serious in its aesthetics and its attitude, with a combative stance against authority, which the punk movement had also embraced.

I too remember the deep, socially relevant messages contained within Sleep's Dopesmoker album.

In my perhaps over-nostalgic memory, feminism reached an unprecedented peak, environmentalist concerns gained widespread attention, questions of race were more openly addressed: all of these stirrings contained within them the same electricity and euphoria touching generations that witness a centennial or millennial changeover.

We had Captain Planet and a hippie chick named Kennedy on MTV. Kennedy! She only had one name, and it was a masculine-sounding last name! We were so edgy then!

FROM this vantage, the ironic clique appears simply too comfortable, too brainlessly compliant. Ironic living is a first-world problem.

Your entire article describes a first world problem.

I don't know which is worse these days, the entitled, teatard baby boomers, or their entitled, ironic hister kids and grandkids.


+1 for Sleep's "Dopesmoker".
again, that it's a First World problem, (not just white).
/any visit to any city or college town will confirm that hipsters aren't just white
//slashies....
 
2012-11-20 04:57:36 AM  
So what is the drug of choice for hipsters?

Mods - Amphetamine
Rockers - Beer
Hippies - all of them all the time
Skinheads - Beer and Amphetamine
Clubbers - E
Goths - Vodak, amphetamine, tobacco

Hipsters - ?

Is there a drug ironic enough?
 
2012-11-20 06:29:26 AM  

dready zim: So what is the drug of choice for hipsters?

Mods - Amphetamine
Rockers - Beer
Hippies - all of them all the time
Skinheads - Beer and Amphetamine
Clubbers - E
Goths - Vodak, amphetamine, tobacco

Hipsters - ?

Is there a drug ironic enough?


viagra
 
2012-11-20 06:45:33 AM  
Sometimes, the NYT needs to remind everyone that every single one of their contributors is so ridiculously sheltered, suburban, and upper-middle-class that they have not the vaguest farking clue what life is like for 99% of the population.

An entire article devoted to a teenager fashion movement that's already 3/4 dead and only existed among the extremely well-off to begin with is one of those reminders.
 
2012-11-20 06:54:18 AM  
I voted for Romney ironically this year.
 
2012-11-20 07:49:09 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Oh and hair bands died...


And replaced by "nu metal". Hardly an improvement, in any sense I'll take silly 3 minute songs from benign spandex clad goofs singing about getting drunk and farking any day over gang rapes and looting at Woodstock 99 .
 
2012-11-20 08:01:49 AM  

InmanRoshi: StoPPeRmobile: Oh and hair bands died...

And replaced by "nu metal". Hardly an improvement, in any sense I'll take silly 3 minute songs from benign spandex clad goofs singing about getting drunk and farking any day over gang rapes and looting at Woodstock 99 .


Hair bands were terrible, and you should cut yourself just because you were once so stupid you enjoyed them.
 
2012-11-20 08:53:14 AM  

Confabulat: InmanRoshi: StoPPeRmobile: Oh and hair bands died...

And replaced by "nu metal". Hardly an improvement, in any sense I'll take silly 3 minute songs from benign spandex clad goofs singing about getting drunk and farking any day over gang rapes and looting at Woodstock 99 .

Hair bands were terrible, and you should cut yourself just because you were once so stupid you enjoyed them.


I never enjoyed them. Just saying if we're looking at meathead musicand the worst a decade has to offer, the 90's bands were "nu metal" is way worse than hair bands. Putting aside the simple fact that musicianship was better, Hair metal bands weren't gang raping women at music festivals. The retardation of mullets can be cut off. The retardation of tribal tats stays forever.

As far as rock goes, the "best thing" about the 90's were bands from the 80's like Butthole Surfers, Ministry, Pixies, Jane's Addiction, etc. getting enough exposure to pay some bills. Of course, their work from the 80's was much, much, much, much better, but at least they were getting to put a little cash in their pocket. And at least Nine Inch Nails and Green Day blatantly ripping off cooler bands from the 80s was getting Dead Kennedys and Skinny Puppy a little notoriety as well.
 
2012-11-20 10:02:21 AM  

mat catastrophe: About halfway down, tangentially related:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/making_things


TL;DR
 
2012-11-20 10:16:15 AM  

InmanRoshi: Confabulat: InmanRoshi: StoPPeRmobile: Oh and hair bands died...

And replaced by "nu metal". Hardly an improvement, in any sense I'll take silly 3 minute songs from benign spandex clad goofs singing about getting drunk and farking any day over gang rapes and looting at Woodstock 99 .

Hair bands were terrible, and you should cut yourself just because you were once so stupid you enjoyed them.

I never enjoyed them. Just saying if we're looking at meathead musicand the worst a decade has to offer, the 90's bands were "nu metal" is way worse than hair bands. Putting aside the simple fact that musicianship was better, Hair metal bands weren't gang raping women at music festivals. The retardation of mullets can be cut off. The retardation of tribal tats stays forever.

As far as rock goes, the "best thing" about the 90's were bands from the 80's like Butthole Surfers, Ministry, Pixies, Jane's Addiction, etc. getting enough exposure to pay some bills. Of course, their work from the 80's was much, much, much, much better, but at least they were getting to put a little cash in their pocket. And at least Nine Inch Nails and Green Day blatantly ripping off cooler bands from the 80s was getting Dead Kennedys and Skinny Puppy a little notoriety as well.


I guess if you're comparing worst to worst, the decades are pretty close in my opinion.

As far as like... average to average goes? I'll take not-terribly-exciting poppy 90s alternative (think less Pearl Jam who were good but kinda hinted at nu-metal a little, more Hootie and the Blowfish or something) over Van Halen.

I understand that not everyone will agree. But go away, Van Halen.

/the person above who says that hipsters actually like what they claim to like is right.
//only a select few morons actually SAY "I'm wearing this fedora ironically."
 
2012-11-20 10:34:58 AM  

meat0918: In my experience, these hipsters like what they are doing, despite all claims to the contrary.


Then why drop it the moment it "sells out" (i.e. when non-hipsters start to notice that it's good)? That's not something you do with things you like, yet hipsters are notorious for it. I'll buy that most of them believe they like the things they claim to like, but their behavior indicates that even in those instances where this is true, they have other priorities.
 
2012-11-20 11:17:16 AM  

Dafatone: InmanRoshi: Confabulat: InmanRoshi: StoPPeRmobile: Oh and hair bands died...

And replaced by "nu metal". Hardly an improvement, in any sense I'll take silly 3 minute songs from benign spandex clad goofs singing about getting drunk and farking any day over gang rapes and looting at Woodstock 99 .

Hair bands were terrible, and you should cut yourself just because you were once so stupid you enjoyed them.

I never enjoyed them. Just saying if we're looking at meathead musicand the worst a decade has to offer, the 90's bands were "nu metal" is way worse than hair bands. Putting aside the simple fact that musicianship was better, Hair metal bands weren't gang raping women at music festivals. The retardation of mullets can be cut off. The retardation of tribal tats stays forever.

As far as rock goes, the "best thing" about the 90's were bands from the 80's like Butthole Surfers, Ministry, Pixies, Jane's Addiction, etc. getting enough exposure to pay some bills. Of course, their work from the 80's was much, much, much, much better, but at least they were getting to put a little cash in their pocket. And at least Nine Inch Nails and Green Day blatantly ripping off cooler bands from the 80s was getting Dead Kennedys and Skinny Puppy a little notoriety as well.

I guess if you're comparing worst to worst, the decades are pretty close in my opinion.

As far as like... average to average goes? I'll take not-terribly-exciting poppy 90s alternative (think less Pearl Jam who were good but kinda hinted at nu-metal a little, more Hootie and the Blowfish or something) over Van Halen.

I understand that not everyone will agree. But go away, Van Halen.

/the person above who says that hipsters actually like what they claim to like is right.
//only a select few morons actually SAY "I'm wearing this fedora ironically."


Never was a huge Van Halen fan either, but I think in general Hair Metal gets over represented in what what constituted mainstream chart toppers of the 80s. No doubt there was that 3 year era from about 87-89 where it was ubiquitous and inescapable, but Blondie, Michael Jackson, The Police, Pretenders, Ah-ha, Dire Straits, Simple Minds, Tears for Fears, Prince, Springsteen, The Cars, The Go-Gos, Peter Gabriel, etc. all had monster mainstream hit songs/albums/runs in the rest of the decade, and upon re-listen all are vastly more interesting and dynamic and diverse to me today than what topped the charts in the 90s, particular the Eddie Vedder knockoffs mumbling over the fuzzy guitar that's become the "signature" sound .... which in my mind, has not aged well at all.
 
2012-11-20 01:13:56 PM  

Confabulat: InmanRoshi: StoPPeRmobile: Oh and hair bands died...

And replaced by "nu metal". Hardly an improvement, in any sense I'll take silly 3 minute songs from benign spandex clad goofs singing about getting drunk and farking any day over gang rapes and looting at Woodstock 99 .

Hair bands were terrible, and you should cut yourself just because you were once so stupid you enjoyed them.


If it makes you feel better, I have him farkled as "music snob with average taste in music". I think it came from one of those "why those damn kids today don't listen to my precious farking Beetles" threads.

/ it makes me laugh, anyway
 
2012-11-20 02:49:29 PM  

gunther_bumpass: Confabulat: InmanRoshi: StoPPeRmobile: Oh and hair bands died...

And replaced by "nu metal". Hardly an improvement, in any sense I'll take silly 3 minute songs from benign spandex clad goofs singing about getting drunk and farking any day over gang rapes and looting at Woodstock 99 .

Hair bands were terrible, and you should cut yourself just because you were once so stupid you enjoyed them.

If it makes you feel better, I have him farkled as "music snob with average taste in music". I think it came from one of those "why those damn kids today don't listen to my precious farking Beetles" threads.

/ it makes me laugh, anyway


Eh, I just like being inspired by music. Sorry I didn't find much inspiring if your heyday of meatheads gang raping women to Kid Korn Rock Puddle of Bitzkit, or Nine Inch Nails/Green Day doing poor watered down imitations of much better bands on the "Levi Jeans and Pepsi Cola Presents the 'Stickin It To Da Man' Alternative Music Tour". You'll get over it. Just tune me out by moving the radio dial over to the classic rock stations and listen to your favorite music now in heavy rotation with the bloated arena rock of the 70s, where it rightfully belongs.
 
2012-11-20 04:58:18 PM  

RatOmeter: mat catastrophe: About halfway down, tangentially related:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/making_things

TL;DR


THAT'S WHY I GAVE YOU DIRECTIONS ON ROUGHLY HOW MUCH YOU COULD SKIP, DILLWEED
 
2012-11-20 06:21:44 PM  

mat catastrophe: RatOmeter: mat catastrophe: About halfway down, tangentially related:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/making_things

TL;DR

THAT'S WHY I GAVE YOU DIRECTIONS ON ROUGHLY HOW MUCH YOU COULD SKIP, DILLWEED


Mmmmm, I like dillweed. It's even better than Dilbert.

/read the whole thing.
//enjoyed it too
 
2012-11-20 06:53:21 PM  

RatOmeter: mat catastrophe: RatOmeter: mat catastrophe: About halfway down, tangentially related:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/making_things

TL;DR

THAT'S WHY I GAVE YOU DIRECTIONS ON ROUGHLY HOW MUCH YOU COULD SKIP, DILLWEED

Mmmmm, I like dillweed. It's even better than Dilbert.

/read the whole thing.
//enjoyed it too


Yea, it is a good read. I got a little perspective on my life when I got to the part about hipsters and it made stop and reflect on myself as a 37-year old man, worrying about what 20-year old kids are wearing and doing.....

And then I remembered this guy writes cartoons on the internet, and I went back to hatin'.
 
2012-11-20 07:01:08 PM  

InmanRoshi: Never was a huge Van Halen fan either, but I think in general Hair Metal gets over represented in what what constituted mainstream chart toppers of the 80s. No doubt there was that 3 year era from about 87-89 where it was ubiquitous and inescapable, but Blondie, Michael Jackson, The Police, Pretenders, Ah-ha, Dire Straits, Simple Minds, Tears for Fears, Prince, Springsteen, The Cars, The Go-Gos, Peter Gabriel, etc. all had monster mainstream hit songs/albums/runs in the rest of the decade, and upon re-listen all are vastly more interesting and dynamic and diverse to me today than what topped the charts in the 90s, particular the Eddie Vedder knockoffs mumbling over the fuzzy guitar that's become the "signature" sound .... which in my mind, has not aged well at all.


InmanRoshi: Eh, I just like being inspired by music. Sorry I didn't find much inspiring if your heyday of meatheads gang raping women to Kid Korn Rock Puddle of Bitzkit, or Nine Inch Nails/Green Day doing poor watered down imitations of much better bands on the "Levi Jeans and Pepsi Cola Presents the 'Stickin It To Da Man' Alternative Music Tour". You'll get over it. Just tune me out by moving the radio dial over to the classic rock stations and listen to your favorite music now in heavy rotation with the bloated arena rock of the 70s, where it rightfully belongs.


Good points. It bothers me that "90s" is defined by late 90s. 1994-1995 had an entirely different corporate-pushed sound to it that's been largely forgotten. Again, I cite Hootie and the Blowfish as a good example of music that wasn't particularly good, but was at least not nu-metal-angst.
 
2012-11-22 03:47:21 PM  
Today I learned old and physically disabled people can't be ironic.
 
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