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2012-11-19 01:38:01 PM

meat0918: I live in a virtual mecca of hipsterdom (Eugene, OR), and I have yet to meet this person that does something they hate just to appear ironic. They own the things they like, and get rather defensive about it too.

Maybe it's the clothes? Are we pissed that young kids are wearing Pink Floyd concert tees while never having attended one of their concerts and maybe not liking "The Wall" while prancing about in skinny jeans, flip flops, and a fedora?

I have met many such people. And it's not Pink Floyd shirts, but if I see a guy wearing, say, a "Hootie and the Blowfish" shirt (real recent example), that's the cowardice. "Hi, look at me, I hate the same thing as everyone, aren't I ridiculous! Har har." Again, it's a shield against criticism. It's an irritating psychological weakness, not a fashion judgement.

Just wearing the shirt makes you judge that much about them? Or is there more to the story you didn't post?

They could actually like Hootie, and geeked out and got excited when the found the T-Shirt at the store.


Likewise, I've never seen Pink Floyd live, but I do have a DSotM shirt.

I still don't get the supposed hipster mindset. I would tend to believe they're liking things that not a lot of people like, but they end up all liking the same thing in the "hipster" group. No one wears clothing, eats, drinks, listens to, reads, watches shiat they don't like. Gawd, I really hate, Katy Perry, but I own and listen to her albums all the time. She is just so grating!"

This hipster fashion and indie bands are a marketing tool and they tried to make it cool, but its not. So now we got a bunch of people who are doing the same thing that the "goths" were derided for in the 80s-00s (trying to look like a unique snowflake, but ha ha you look like everyone else who's trying not to look like everyone else). Now the kids are listening to Dillenger Escape Plan while wearing their tweed fedoras, complaining that no one understands how awesome their favorite band is like and how their so unique. And so is every other hipster. Except this time around, they're saying its ironic, so they actually don't like tweed fedoras and Dillenger Escape Plan?
 
2012-11-19 01:38:26 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: doyner: The author was 18 when Alanis Moriset released "Jagged Little" pill and is going to offer a critique on hipsters that includes this gem:

"The grunge movement was serious in its aesthetics and its attitude"

And isn't it moronic...don't ya think?

Allanis Morissette wasn't grunge. Ssssooo...

/would be like judging millenials based on Carly Rae Jepsen


I wasn't suggesting she was grunge. I was pointing out that her [my] generation was equally "ironic." The A.M. reference was to her age...and a set-up for the punchline. Ten would have been released when she was 14.
 
2012-11-19 01:39:55 PM

Wittenberg Dropout: meat0918: Can one be a hipster without doing things ironically?

I've been called a hipster, but I don't do things with intent to cause irony.

So you're just a poser then?


I do most things I do because I enjoy the activity or I enjoy the result of doing them in the case of less than pleasant activities.

I still play video games even though some people say I'm "too old" (because F.E.A.R., Diablo 3, and Skyrim are a kid's games apparently).

I may hate housework, but I enjoy a clean house.

I may dislike yardwork, but having a nicely edged and mowed path looks better than an overgrown one.
 
2012-11-19 01:40:47 PM

meat0918: The author sounds like an aging hipster :)

The caricature presented is easily hated. Takes only a passing interest in things, tries to be a trend setter when they are oblivious to the fact they are following a trend. Oh, how I have heard that before.

It's just more of the "my generation was the best generation, this new generation sucks" (with the possible addition of "all the world's problems are the previous generations fault") that we've heard for generation after generation after generation.

And this new generation of hipsters will be lamenting their kids and grandkids culture and identity, interspersed with exclamations of "Get off my lawn".


Yeah this is a woman who hates hipsters from afar based on their ironic fashion choices and the assumption that they take nothing in life seriously and speak only in a series of ironic quips. I think there is something to be said of irony and hipster dress being attempts at self defense in not wanting to assume an accepted fashion clique or be taken too seriously in what you say in friendly banter. But if you sat and talked to most hipsters, or people in general, I think it wouldn't take long to see that they can have a non-ironic conversation with you and they do consider things outside an ironic slant.

No two hipsters are the same and I can say from experience I've loved and hated many hipsters. Some were assholes, some were overly sarcastic and cynical, but most were just people living their lives, trying to appreciate art and fashion ignored by the mainstream because their either bored with the mainstream or they were wronged by adherents of the mainstream. I really can't wait until it's no longer hip to hate on the hipsters.
 
2012-11-19 01:44:16 PM

dehehn: I think there is something to be said of irony and hipster dress being attempts at self defense in not wanting to assume an accepted fashion clique...


Yup. Dressing uniquely.

Like everyone else.
 
2012-11-19 01:44:20 PM

mat catastrophe: About halfway down, tangentially related:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/making_things


I'd say that's right farking on point.

Are you trying to be ironic?
 
2012-11-19 01:44:56 PM

dehehn: meat0918: The author sounds like an aging hipster :)

The caricature presented is easily hated. Takes only a passing interest in things, tries to be a trend setter when they are oblivious to the fact they are following a trend. Oh, how I have heard that before.

It's just more of the "my generation was the best generation, this new generation sucks" (with the possible addition of "all the world's problems are the previous generations fault") that we've heard for generation after generation after generation.

And this new generation of hipsters will be lamenting their kids and grandkids culture and identity, interspersed with exclamations of "Get off my lawn".

Yeah this is a woman who hates hipsters from afar based on their ironic fashion choices and the assumption that they take nothing in life seriously and speak only in a series of ironic quips. I think there is something to be said of irony and hipster dress being attempts at self defense in not wanting to assume an accepted fashion clique or be taken too seriously in what you say in friendly banter. But if you sat and talked to most hipsters, or people in general, I think it wouldn't take long to see that they can have a non-ironic conversation with you and they do consider things outside an ironic slant.

No two hipsters are the same and I can say from experience I've loved and hated many hipsters. Some were assholes, some were overly sarcastic and cynical, but most were just people living their lives, trying to appreciate art and fashion ignored by the mainstream because their either bored with the mainstream or they were wronged by adherents of the mainstream. I really can't wait until it's no longer hip to hate on the hipsters.


Give it 10-15 years, and the hipsters of today will be writing articles like this and places like Fark will be hating on whatever it is the 15-25 year old brigade of that time period likes.
 
2012-11-19 01:57:29 PM

Celerian: I still don't get the supposed hipster mindset. I would tend to believe they're liking things that not a lot of people like, but they end up all liking the same thing in the "hipster" group. No one wears clothing, eats, drinks, listens to, reads, watches shiat they don't like. Gawd, I really hate, Katy Perry, but I own and listen to her albums all the time. She is just so grating!"


But that's exactly what they do.

They don't drink PBR because they think it's good beer. They drink it because it's bad beer.

They like things that are bad, corny, of low quality, kitschy, in poor taste, etc.

Like when you enjoy an MST3K movie - not because it's great art, but because it's bad art. Except taken to an extreme and made into a lifestyle.
 
2012-11-19 01:57:33 PM
I have to be honest- I'm really enjoying these rice crackers I'm eating.
 
2012-11-19 02:13:42 PM

Doc Daneeka: Celerian: I still don't get the supposed hipster mindset. I would tend to believe they're liking things that not a lot of people like, but they end up all liking the same thing in the "hipster" group. No one wears clothing, eats, drinks, listens to, reads, watches shiat they don't like. Gawd, I really hate, Katy Perry, but I own and listen to her albums all the time. She is just so grating!"

But that's exactly what they do.

They don't drink PBR because they think it's good beer. They drink it because it's bad beer.

They like things that are bad, corny, of low quality, kitschy, in poor taste, etc.

Like when you enjoy an MST3K movie - not because it's great art, but because it's bad art. Except taken to an extreme and made into a lifestyle.


You just contradicted yourself. If they like bad things, then they like it.

A normal person: "Natty Light is bad beer and I'm not going to drink it, unless maybe I'm at a college party and its all we can afford/get our hands on."
A Hipster: "Natty Light is really bad, but I kinda like it. Also I'm cool because I'm going against the mainstream."
A psychopath: "Natty Light is disgusting, I hate it, but it's all i'm going to drink. Also, I may be a masochist and I think I'm bleeding internally."

I like MST3K. Yeah, its bad art. At least, the movies were. But the show is funny. if it was just a bad movie with no riffing, I wouldn't watch it. A slight exemption would be something like Plan 9 From Outer Space, a movie so bad that its actually comical. Some people could like that, acknowledging that its horribly done. But then you even acknowledge that you LIKE it even though its BAD. And that's where the definition of Hipster gets messed up. Because they either really do like the things that they're subjecting themselves too, regardless of what other people think, or they are psychopaths who subject themselves to things even though they don't like it.

I hate listening to Nails On A Chalkboard, but since no one else likes listening to Nails On A Chalkboard, its all i'm going to listen to. ironically, of course. That is psychopathic behavior.
 
2012-11-19 02:22:36 PM
I've always disliked hipsters but could never quite put a finger on why. That article was very illuminating. If you dress goth, or punk, or grunge or whatever, you're trying to say something. When you dress hipster, you're saying nothing. It's nonconformist I guess, but with nothing to say... just random and meaningless, almost nihilistic. That just feels wrong deep in my psyche. It's like not having a personality.
 
2012-11-19 02:28:36 PM

Doc Daneeka: Celerian: I still don't get the supposed hipster mindset. I would tend to believe they're liking things that not a lot of people like, but they end up all liking the same thing in the "hipster" group. No one wears clothing, eats, drinks, listens to, reads, watches shiat they don't like. Gawd, I really hate, Katy Perry, but I own and listen to her albums all the time. She is just so grating!"

But that's exactly what they do.

They don't drink PBR because they think it's good beer. They drink it because it's bad beer.

They like things that are bad, corny, of low quality, kitschy, in poor taste, etc.

Like when you enjoy an MST3K movie - not because it's great art, but because it's bad art. Except taken to an extreme and made into a lifestyle.


The appeal of MST3K is ridiculing bad art, not pretending to like it. And the rest of your response is contradictory...

Celerian: "No one wears clothing, eats, drinks, listens to, reads, watches shiat they don't like."

Doc Daneeka: "But that's exactly what they do... They like things that are bad, corny, of low quality, kitschy, in poor taste, etc.
 
2012-11-19 02:33:02 PM

MacWizard: Doc Daneeka: Celerian: I still don't get the supposed hipster mindset. I would tend to believe they're liking things that not a lot of people like, but they end up all liking the same thing in the "hipster" group. No one wears clothing, eats, drinks, listens to, reads, watches shiat they don't like. Gawd, I really hate, Katy Perry, but I own and listen to her albums all the time. She is just so grating!"

But that's exactly what they do.

They don't drink PBR because they think it's good beer. They drink it because it's bad beer.

They like things that are bad, corny, of low quality, kitschy, in poor taste, etc.

Like when you enjoy an MST3K movie - not because it's great art, but because it's bad art. Except taken to an extreme and made into a lifestyle.

The appeal of MST3K is ridiculing bad art, not pretending to like it. And the rest of your response is contradictory...

Celerian: "No one wears clothing, eats, drinks, listens to, reads, watches shiat they don't like."

Doc Daneeka: "But that's exactly what they do... They like things that are bad, corny, of low quality, kitschy, in poor taste, etc.


Right, so I'm correct in saying that the Hipster mindset is obviously that of a crazy person. If they force themselves to wear/do/eat/listen/watch things they don't like. When i ran around dressing like a goth, I liked doing it. I liked listening to New Wave and Industrial bands. I still listen to New Wave and Industrial. I still dress in mostly black (certainly not as gaudy anymore, though).
 
2012-11-19 02:43:17 PM
I will agree with the author on one thing. The Millennial hipster attitude is the Gen X attitude taken to 11. I think that might generate a backlash in the next generation where they think about things more seriously and are maybe more willing to define their own culture. Pretty much everything in this generation is just a rehash of the 80's and I don't think the 90's were interesting enough to rehash.
 
2012-11-19 02:45:17 PM

Zombalupagus: I've always disliked hipsters but could never quite put a finger on why. That article was very illuminating. If you dress goth, or punk, or grunge or whatever, you're trying to say something. When you dress hipster, you're saying nothing. It's nonconformist I guess, but with nothing to say... just random and meaningless, almost nihilistic. That just feels wrong deep in my psyche. It's like not having a personality.


It's like nihilism without the pain and despair.
 
2012-11-19 02:50:01 PM

Celerian: MacWizard: Doc Daneeka: Celerian: I still don't get the supposed hipster mindset. I would tend to believe they're liking things that not a lot of people like, but they end up all liking the same thing in the "hipster" group. No one wears clothing, eats, drinks, listens to, reads, watches shiat they don't like. Gawd, I really hate, Katy Perry, but I own and listen to her albums all the time. She is just so grating!"

But that's exactly what they do.

They don't drink PBR because they think it's good beer. They drink it because it's bad beer.

They like things that are bad, corny, of low quality, kitschy, in poor taste, etc.

Like when you enjoy an MST3K movie - not because it's great art, but because it's bad art. Except taken to an extreme and made into a lifestyle.

The appeal of MST3K is ridiculing bad art, not pretending to like it. And the rest of your response is contradictory...

Celerian: "No one wears clothing, eats, drinks, listens to, reads, watches shiat they don't like."

Doc Daneeka: "But that's exactly what they do... They like things that are bad, corny, of low quality, kitschy, in poor taste, etc.

Right, so I'm correct in saying that the Hipster mindset is obviously that of a crazy person. If they force themselves to wear/do/eat/listen/watch things they don't like. When i ran around dressing like a goth, I liked doing it. I liked listening to New Wave and Industrial bands. I still listen to New Wave and Industrial. I still dress in mostly black (certainly not as gaudy anymore, though).


The reason you don't get the supposed hipster mindset is because the hipster mindset you described doesn't exist.

Take your goth example. I liked it too. I had friends that did the whole goth thing. But I heard things about them like "Oh, they can't possibly like dressing in black all the time, they're just doing it to be different just like everyone else" as well as "Oh, they must be really depressed and hate themselves".

In my experience, these hipsters like what they are doing, despite all claims to the contrary.
 
2012-11-19 03:00:21 PM
In my experience, these hipsters like what they are doing, despite all claims to the contrary.

I don't doubt that they enjoy what their doing, or have come to love it. The problem is that they made the decision on what they wear/consume because that thing is bad or outside the mainstream, e.g. ironically. What they really enjoy isn't the stuff, but the sense of superiority they get by not being like everyone else.

What I most strongly dislike isn't the aesthetic, but that its such a lazy way of being different. Rather than cultivate personality or skill, they use irony as a tool to shortcut the possibility of external judgement.
 
2012-11-19 03:06:42 PM

asymptonic: In my experience, these hipsters like what they are doing, despite all claims to the contrary.

I don't doubt that they enjoy what their doing, or have come to love it. The problem is that they made the decision on what they wear/consume because that thing is bad or outside the mainstream, e.g. ironically. What they really enjoy isn't the stuff, but the sense of superiority they get by not being like everyone else.

What I most strongly dislike isn't the aesthetic, but that its such a lazy way of being different. Rather than cultivate personality or skill, they use irony as a tool to shortcut the possibility of external judgement.


So then they're not really being ironic if they like the stuff that they're wearing "ironically."

And if they don't enjoy the stuff, but like feeling superior for being different, then they're just being douchebags.
 
2012-11-19 03:13:16 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Christopher Hitchens frowns on your shenanigans...........
 
2012-11-19 03:13:38 PM

Celerian: asymptonic: In my experience, these hipsters like what they are doing, despite all claims to the contrary.

I don't doubt that they enjoy what their doing, or have come to love it. The problem is that they made the decision on what they wear/consume because that thing is bad or outside the mainstream, e.g. ironically. What they really enjoy isn't the stuff, but the sense of superiority they get by not being like everyone else.

What I most strongly dislike isn't the aesthetic, but that its such a lazy way of being different. Rather than cultivate personality or skill, they use irony as a tool to shortcut the possibility of external judgement.

So then they're not really being ironic if they like the stuff that they're wearing "ironically."


I think that can be true for some. I also think the group that we call hipsters contains a lot of people who came late to the movement and just picked up the aesthetic as ordinary "fashion". They certainly would non-ironically like the style. But you can't tell me the first guy to wear a trucker hat Brooklyn loved the style.


And if they don't enjoy the stuff, but like feeling superior for being different, then they're just being douchebags.


No argument here. Where's a good douchebag hate thread when you need one.
 
2012-11-19 03:14:57 PM

asymptonic: Celerian: asymptonic: In my experience, these hipsters like what they are doing, despite all claims to the contrary.

I don't doubt that they enjoy what their doing, or have come to love it. The problem is that they made the decision on what they wear/consume because that thing is bad or outside the mainstream, e.g. ironically. What they really enjoy isn't the stuff, but the sense of superiority they get by not being like everyone else.

What I most strongly dislike isn't the aesthetic, but that its such a lazy way of being different. Rather than cultivate personality or skill, they use irony as a tool to shortcut the possibility of external judgement.

So then they're not really being ironic if they like the stuff that they're wearing "ironically."

I think that can be true for some. I also think the group that we call hipsters contains a lot of people who came late to the movement and just picked up the aesthetic as ordinary "fashion". They certainly would non-ironically like the style. But you can't tell me the first guy to wear a trucker hat Brooklyn loved the style.


And if they don't enjoy the stuff, but like feeling superior for being different, then they're just being douchebags.

No argument here. Where's a good douchebag hate thread when you need one.


They confine those to the Politics and Entertainment tabs these days.
 
2012-11-19 03:19:12 PM

Doc Daneeka: They like things that are bad, corny, of low quality, kitschy, in poor taste, etc.


People have been fans of the kitsch for a long time. Much of John Waters career is based on kitch and corny and absurd. He even makes fun of it in his Simpsons episode. It is just a modern satire.
 
2012-11-19 03:25:46 PM

asymptonic: Celerian: asymptonic: In my experience, these hipsters like what they are doing, despite all claims to the contrary.

I don't doubt that they enjoy what their doing, or have come to love it. The problem is that they made the decision on what they wear/consume because that thing is bad or outside the mainstream, e.g. ironically. What they really enjoy isn't the stuff, but the sense of superiority they get by not being like everyone else.

What I most strongly dislike isn't the aesthetic, but that its such a lazy way of being different. Rather than cultivate personality or skill, they use irony as a tool to shortcut the possibility of external judgement.

So then they're not really being ironic if they like the stuff that they're wearing "ironically."

I think that can be true for some. I also think the group that we call hipsters contains a lot of people who came late to the movement and just picked up the aesthetic as ordinary "fashion". They certainly would non-ironically like the style. But you can't tell me the first guy to wear a trucker hat Brooklyn loved the style.


And if they don't enjoy the stuff, but like feeling superior for being different, then they're just being douchebags.

No argument here. Where's a good douchebag hate thread when you need one.


That's at least something we can all get behind.
 
2012-11-19 03:32:17 PM
I was ironic before it was cool.
 
2012-11-19 03:38:34 PM

big pig peaches: I was ironic before it was cool.


I was cool before it was ironic.
 
2012-11-19 03:41:48 PM

doyner: dehehn: I think there is something to be said of irony and hipster dress being attempts at self defense in not wanting to assume an accepted fashion clique...

Yup. Dressing uniquely.

Like everyone else.


jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-19 03:44:00 PM

jaylectricity: big pig peaches: I was ironic before it was cool.

I was cool before it was ironic.


Touchè.
 
2012-11-19 04:03:08 PM

big pig peaches: jaylectricity: big pig peaches: I was ironic before it was cool.

I was cool before it was ironic.

Touchè.


moblog.net
 
2012-11-19 04:11:52 PM
I made fun of hipsters before it was cool...
 
2012-11-19 04:16:20 PM

RexTalionis: Incidentally:


I totally want to make an NC-17 rated short starring the Andorian girl and my penis.
 
2012-11-19 04:26:57 PM

protectyourlimbs: I made fun of hipsters before it was cool...


I always thought they were posers, daddie O
 
2012-11-19 04:46:48 PM

Bacontastesgood: RexTalionis: Incidentally:

I totally want to make an NC-17 rated short starring the Andorian girl and my penis.


You can't spell NCC-1701 without NC-17.
 
2012-11-19 05:13:03 PM
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R.I.P IRONING
 
2012-11-19 05:37:51 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I have to be honest- I'm really enjoying these rice crackers I'm eating.


Meh. I was eating rice crackers 25 years ago!

/they were good if you dipped them in chocolate
//Or if you were drunk enough.
 
2012-11-19 06:04:00 PM

Zombalupagus: I've always disliked hipsters but could never quite put a finger on why. That article was very illuminating. If you dress goth, or punk, or grunge or whatever, you're trying to say something. When you dress hipster, you're saying nothing. It's nonconformist I guess, but with nothing to say... just random and meaningless, almost nihilistic. That just feels wrong deep in my psyche. It's like not having a personality.


They weren't saying anything either. All those people grew up and got haircuts and jobs. Bunch of em outright became The Man.

I can see why kids getting their kicks without a self serving hypocritical lie underpinning it would bother someone like that.
 
2012-11-19 06:21:28 PM

alltim: RexTalionis: [unrealitymag.com image 600x400]

I like hipsterism. It means I can go out in public dressed in my Star Trek dress uniform and if anyone asks, it's totally ironic.

Incidentally:
[25.media.tumblr.com image 467x700]
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A true Vulcan would have the logic to put her camera down and use the autotimer to take that picture.
 
2012-11-19 06:24:13 PM

asymptonic: But you can't tell me the first guy to wear a trucker hat Brooklyn loved the style.


Why not? Maybe he didn't go "this looks good." He probably went, "this looks ridiculous on me. I want to look ridiculous." There are things that people like while acknowledging they aren't good. Professional Wrestling, the Mets, etc...

Holocaust Agnostic: Zombalupagus: I've always disliked hipsters but could never quite put a finger on why. That article was very illuminating. If you dress goth, or punk, or grunge or whatever, you're trying to say something. When you dress hipster, you're saying nothing. It's nonconformist I guess, but with nothing to say... just random and meaningless, almost nihilistic. That just feels wrong deep in my psyche. It's like not having a personality.

They weren't saying anything either. All those people grew up and got haircuts and jobs. Bunch of em outright became The Man.

I can see why kids getting their kicks without a self serving hypocritical lie underpinning it would bother someone like that.


Ayup. It's a lot more interesting to talk about what hipsterdom is responding to than it is to talk about why hipsters suck. Gen X saw lots of media blaring at them every two seconds and said "meh. By saying meh, I'm taking a stand against consumerism." Then a few years later, they were the blaring media and the consumers. More or less repeat this pattern for a while.

Today, hipsters see what happened to Gen X and go "screw it. If taking a stand doesn't work, I'll just look like a clown." It's pretty much the right response.
 
2012-11-19 06:27:47 PM
This is no laughing matter. As being a hipster becomes more an more acceptable, it will begin to merge into the mainstream. If the "ironic" stance remains intentionally separation from said mainstream, one would need to become become mainstream as an form of counter-culture against the mainstream. This will give rise to a sort of quantum hipster who occupies the states of ironic and completely serious simultaneously. Eventually, this metastability will collapse... and when it does, there will be nothing left of the Pacific Northwest but a smoking crater that smells like organic coffee.
 
2012-11-19 06:37:43 PM

ProfessorOhki: This is no laughing matter. As being a hipster becomes more an more acceptable, it will begin to merge into the mainstream. If the "ironic" stance remains intentionally separation from said mainstream, one would need to become become mainstream as an form of counter-culture against the mainstream. This will give rise to a sort of quantum hipster who occupies the states of ironic and completely serious simultaneously. Eventually, this metastability will collapse... and when it does, there will be nothing left of the Pacific Northwest but a smoking crater that smells like organic

stinks of steamed burnt coffee beans. FTFY
 
2012-11-19 06:45:59 PM
I don't believe I've ever met a hipster in person, at least not someone that I recognized as a hipster. But if I ever find myself in a situation where I realize that the person (or persons) that I'm conversing with are hipsters, is it taboo to point out to them that they are hipsters? Are they self aware of their hipsterism?
 
2012-11-19 07:02:07 PM

RexTalionis: For many Americans born in the 1980s and 1990s - members of Generation Y, or Millennials - particularly middle-class Caucasians, irony is the primary mode with which daily life is dealt.

White people problems.


bingo. since there is an excess of young privileged doosh white males i'm wondering if Hipsters For Archery Practice is worth encouraging. takes care of excess population, helps trim the beard herd, may lead to interest in taxidermy.
 
2012-11-19 08:01:01 PM

ProfessorOhki: This is no laughing matter. As being a hipster becomes more an more acceptable, it will begin to merge into the mainstream. If the "ironic" stance remains intentionally separation from said mainstream, one would need to become become mainstream as an form of counter-culture against the mainstream. This will give rise to a sort of quantum hipster who occupies the states of ironic and completely serious simultaneously. Eventually, this metastability will collapse... and when it does, there will be nothing left of the Pacific Northwest but a smoking crater that smells like organic coffee.


Mustaches are already mainstream again. Movember
 
2012-11-19 08:20:24 PM
I think you have to be pretty submerged in consumer culture to be a hipster or even give a shiat about hipsters.
 
2012-11-19 08:31:46 PM
That was an exercise in self-absorbed tediousity. I couldn't get past the second paragraph, skimmed, and decided I wanted those two minutes of my life back.

Send the author an onion for her belt and a lawn if she doesn't have one.

/old enough to remember this kind of silly stuff in the 1960s
 
2012-11-19 08:56:20 PM
In the space of 24 hours I've been both called a hipster by a friend, and berated by a random hipster to whom I refused a drunken high five who said "you have bad hair".

So I guess I'm good. Right down the middle, hated by everyone.
 
2012-11-19 09:18:17 PM
Is there anything real actually going on here? Who cares what people wear, or what their hobbies are? Some's assholes, and some ain't - and that's all I care about.
 
2012-11-19 09:35:56 PM

jso2897: Is there anything real actually going on here? Who cares what people wear, or what their hobbies are? Some's assholes, and some ain't - and that's all I care about.


You care inversely.
 
2012-11-19 09:57:04 PM

doyner: "The grunge movement was serious in its aesthetics and its attitude"


Most people's first exposure to "grunge" was Kurt Cobain appearing on Headbanger's Ball in 1991 dressed like this

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Author is a farking idiot, and I don't mean that in an ironic sense.  I'm being completely sincere.
 
2012-11-19 10:00:45 PM
The term "hipster" has become so ubiquitous to the point that it's merely the catchall phrase to fill in for "people who like stuff I don't". I get that in theory it's supposed to represent pretension, but just using the word "hipster" is the height of pretension as it indicates that one has the hubris to deem themselves arbitrator of what's sincere and authentic.
 
2012-11-19 10:09:50 PM

KrispyKritter: RexTalionis: For many Americans born in the 1980s and 1990s - members of Generation Y, or Millennials - particularly middle-class Caucasians, irony is the primary mode with which daily life is dealt.

White people problems.

bingo. since there is an excess of young privileged doosh white males i'm wondering if Hipsters For Archery Practice is worth encouraging. takes care of excess population, helps trim the beard herd, may lead to interest in taxidermy.


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