If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Kansas.com)   "It's a sad, sad commentary on the attitudes of the day that a nearly 60-year-old Christmas tradition is now having to hunt for a home, something like our savior had to hunt for a place to be born because the world was not interested"   (kansas.com) divider line 449
    More: Sad, christmas, god, Los Angeles, Flying Spaghetti Monster, nativity, images of Jesus, christmas tradition, Freedom From Religion Foundation  
•       •       •

12880 clicks; posted to Main » on 19 Nov 2012 at 7:59 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



449 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-11-19 01:48:13 AM
Welcome to the People's Republic of Santa Monica. You are not wanted.

/love my old home city
 
2012-11-19 02:45:36 AM
"...something like our savior had to hunt for a place to be born because the world was not interested."

Wat
 
2012-11-19 02:49:00 AM
When did we become such pussies?

/Christianity did fine without public nativity scenes.
 
2012-11-19 03:11:06 AM
You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land
 
2012-11-19 04:13:03 AM
Here we go again. Hurr Durr "War on Christmas" derpy derp derpity doo! Normally, I like this time of year. But these douchebags who insist I celebrate the season their way are getting to be intolerable, for Christ's sake.
 
2012-11-19 05:01:36 AM

Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land


I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes
 
2012-11-19 05:41:50 AM

SnarfVader: Here we go again. Hurr Durr "War on Christmas" derpy derp derpity doo! Normally, I like this time of year. But these douchebags who insist I celebrate the season their way are getting to be intolerable, for Christ's sake.


Ffs. We're still waiting for Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-19 05:42:14 AM
This going to be one of those "there's no such thing as an evangelistic atheist" smirkfests, isn't it. I'm gonna get some sleep.
 
2012-11-19 06:27:15 AM

Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


You see, there wouldn't be an issue if the Christians hadn't vandalized the displays that Atheists, also expressing their very equal first amendment rights, put up. It's a public space. The Christians do not get special privileges for their displays over those of other faiths or lack thereof.

But since the Christians went and vandalized the other displays, the city decided to cancel the whole thing rather than have the same kind of trouble this year. Now, the city's decision to try to avoid conflict may not be the correct decision, but don't blame the atheists for putting them in the position they were in to make such a decision.
 
2012-11-19 06:43:07 AM

Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


This.

No different than the anti-drugs and anti-drinking crowd. They just want other people to be miserable. Worthless, the lot of them.
 
2012-11-19 07:06:09 AM

Happy Hours: You militant atheists are assholes


And he is not one of them, asshole. Plus- f you , n00b .
 
2012-11-19 07:08:28 AM
i escalated that quickly . jpg
 
2012-11-19 07:15:59 AM

Happy Hours: I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


"Scenes" are not speech, you retard. You want to hand out leaflets or preach in the park, go ahead. If you want to act out the nativity with live people, feel free. But if you want to put up a scene and then leave it, you need a permit, just as if you were putting up a billboard.

And as someone pointed out earlier, they'd have continued permission if someone hadn't chosen to vandalize the atheists' display last year.
 
2012-11-19 07:25:15 AM

mamoru: Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes

You see, there wouldn't be an issue if the Christians hadn't vandalized the displays that Atheists, also expressing their very equal first amendment rights, put up. It's a public space. The Christians do not get special privileges for their displays over those of other faiths or lack thereof.

But since the Christians went and vandalized the other displays, the city decided to cancel the whole thing rather than have the same kind of trouble this year. Now, the city's decision to try to avoid conflict may not be the correct decision, but don't blame the atheists for putting them in the position they were in to make such a decision.


Okay, you got me to read the rest of the article. I only read about half of it the first time around. So some shiat got vandalized. That seems to me to be a criminal matter, but to say there wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for that vandalism is somewhat dishonest. Activist atheists obviously saw an issue which is why they trolled the Christians with their displays of Poseidon and Flying Spaghetti Monsters - and that's their right of free speech to do so too.

I find it sad, I'm not religious but I'm not against religion either. If you want to celebrate your god or even multiple gods I'm not going to show up at your celebration just to shiat all over it. If you want to protest a religion, let's be specific about it. Protest the Catholic church sheltering pedophiles if you want. That's something even Catholics can support.


But you just look like assholes when you show up to mock those who have different beliefs than you do - even though that is your right. The First Amendment does protect your right to be an asshole and to make a fool of yourself. I'm suggesting that it might be wiser not to do so.
 
2012-11-19 07:26:31 AM
And people wonder why we Americans are so divided. We are more content with pissing in everyone's coffee instead of live and let live
 
2012-11-19 07:27:36 AM

doglover: They just want other people to be miserable.


No, that would definitely be the religious folks. Religion is pretty much a system for inducing misery while making your victims feel like they deserve it and should be enjoying it. But that has nothing to do with this thread.
 
2012-11-19 07:29:19 AM
I want to put up a scene about the conception, but the city wouldn't let me.

They were all like, "Mary was a virgin, she wouldn't do double penetration on her first time." I still think God could have talked her into it.

Do get me started on my portrayal of Jesus crowning, the didn't want that scene either. The Jesus the stupid Catholics use looks like a three month old, not a newborn. You'd think they'd know what one looks like with the way the shiat them out.
 
2012-11-19 07:33:13 AM
Kansas City newspaper whining about California town. Mind your own business, red state asswits.
 
2012-11-19 07:39:03 AM

Generation_D: Kansas City newspaper whining about California town. Mind your own business, red state asswits.


Its an AP article that will be found on pretty much every AP member's website
 
2012-11-19 07:40:48 AM

Babwa Wawa: Happy Hours: I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes

"Scenes" are not speech, you retard. You want to hand out leaflets or preach in the park, go ahead. If you want to act out the nativity with live people, feel free. But if you want to put up a scene and then leave it, you need a permit, just as if you were putting up a billboard.

And as someone pointed out earlier, they'd have continued permission if someone hadn't chosen to vandalize the atheists' display last year.


Spot on.
 
2012-11-19 07:42:24 AM

Happy Hours: Activist atheists obviously saw an issue which is why they trolled the Christians with their displays of Poseidon and Flying Spaghetti Monsters - and that's their right of free speech to do so too.


That is not trolling. That's getting equal time. Poseidon is as legitimate a deity as any other, and we have equal reason to believe in him as we do the judeochristolamic deity. If the state gives one religious group space, then they must give everyone space. That's the best reason for keeping government away from religious holidays.
 
2012-11-19 07:43:56 AM
Everyone above this post is an asshole, everyone below this post is an idiot.

/barometer of outrage
 
2012-11-19 07:48:54 AM
Want someone think of the tiny sect of poor oppressed Christians?
 
2012-11-19 07:57:50 AM

t3knomanser: That's the best reason for keeping government away from religious holidays.


There are plenty of other, better, reasons.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-19 08:02:50 AM
Sixty years of something is not a tradition. It's a fad.
 
2012-11-19 08:03:55 AM
Just pray harder. If your efforts fail, it's clear that god never cared about your idols. Oh wait, that's already in the instruction manual.
 
2012-11-19 08:06:02 AM

Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


How is "pray all you want, wherever you want, to whom ever you want, just don't use public money or land" against the 1st amendment or asshole behavior?
 
2012-11-19 08:07:34 AM
I like x-mas. You spend time with your family, you buy everyone gifts. decorate the house. Its nice.

That christian holiday on the same day can shove it though.
 
2012-11-19 08:07:59 AM
www.patentspostgrant.com
 
2012-11-19 08:08:59 AM
The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee argues in its lawsuit that atheists have the right to protest, but that freedom doesn't trump the Christian's right to free speech.

But apparently the Christians' right to speech trumps the atheists as they were the ones who vandalized the atheist displays after the atheists applied for the display locations under the exact same system and using the exact same rules as the Christians. Hypocrisy at its finest.
 
2012-11-19 08:09:00 AM
I enjoy christmas, but not for the religious reasons.
 
2012-11-19 08:12:01 AM
The thing that religionists who are up in arms about holiday display equality fail to realize is that a universal ban on public displays actually works in their favor.

Think about it: If all displays are banned, that includes the other religious/non-religious displays. Churches, on the other hand, are free to display on their own property.

There are thousands of churches everywhere. And that means lots of real estate for religious displays.

It's unlikely that there will be many explicitly atheistic displays on private property, so the religious scenes will far outnumber the rest.
 
2012-11-19 08:12:15 AM
Missing from the courtroom drama will be Vix and his fellow atheists, who are not parties to the case. Their role outside court highlights a tactical shift as atheists evolve into a vocal minority eager to get their non-beliefs into the public square as never before

Oh goodie. The militant atheists have all left the bar and are hitting the streets.

/you're not helping

Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


The question becomes: are these churches putting up their religious stuff on government property (i.e., city hall grounds)? Then it runs afoul of a government purporting to favor one religion (or non-religion) over another. Hence, why the atheists have put up their OWN displays.

It's still not helping, though. Sometimes, just let the baby have its bottle.
 
2012-11-19 08:12:31 AM
What a douche. I'm an Atheist, I have never believed, never went to church outside of a couple of weddings and a baptism. fark this guy. I like seeing the decorations. I like seeing lit up menorahs in windows. I put up 3 full sized trees in my house. Why stop someone else from doing something? Turn your head for a month if you don't like it. Public land is just that, for everyone. So in the summer, you Lib's have your dirty hippies playing folk music on the lawn while you funk up the fresh air, in winter you have a nativity scene, see, it's fair.

/I also decorate big for Halloween, another holiday celebration fake spirits, so suck it.
 
2012-11-19 08:12:58 AM

t3knomanser: Happy Hours: Activist atheists obviously saw an issue which is why they trolled the Christians with their displays of Poseidon and Flying Spaghetti Monsters - and that's their right of free speech to do so too.

That is not trolling. That's getting equal time. Poseidon is as legitimate a deity as any other, and we have equal reason to believe in him as we do the judeochristolamic deity. If the state gives one religious group space, then they must give everyone space. That's the best reason for keeping government away from religious holidays.


No, it would be different if these people actually believed in Poseidon. It's still trolling. And yes, trolling is protected free speech (at least for now), but let's be clear about this. Certain atheists set up displays for the sole purpose of pissing off some Christians.That is trolling. That is evidence that it was an issue before the vandalism took place.

They weren't really promoting Poseidon. They were making a point - which is their right, but it was still very trollish of them especially because they didn't actually believe in Poseidon.

Personally, I don't see religion as such a threat that I have to troll religious folks. I can comfortably ignore religion.

People complain about "free speech zones" for political protests but at the same time they want free speech when it comes to religion to be off of any public property. I think we should be a little more tolerant of speech and allow it and promote it even when we disagree with the message.
 
2012-11-19 08:13:26 AM

andersoncouncil42: Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes

How is "pray all you want, wherever you want, to whom ever you want, just don't use public money or land" against the 1st amendment or asshole behavior?


Militant atheists are the ones who dare to admit it, OUT LOUD. And politely requesting that the law is followed makes us assholes.
 
2012-11-19 08:13:58 AM

Babwa Wawa: And as someone pointed out earlier, they'd have continued permission if someone hadn't chosen to vandalize the atheists' display last year.


Because some people are apparently too insecure in their faith.

/FIGHT *ALL* THE DIFFERENCES!!!
 
2012-11-19 08:14:10 AM

Happy Hours: Okay, you got me to read the rest of the article. I only read about half of it the first time around. So some shiat got vandalized. That seems to me to be a criminal matter, but to say there wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for that vandalism is somewhat dishonest.


Actually, it's not. The only reason the city isn't doing it again this year is because of the vandalism. If the nutjob Christians could accept the fact that their supernatural superstition is just as valid as every other form of supernatural superstition and learn to live with the fact that occasionally people are going to point that out to them when they try to broadcast their beliefs for all the world to see then there wouldn't be a problem.
 
2012-11-19 08:14:18 AM

doglover: No different than the anti-drugs and anti-drinking crowd. They just want other people to be miserable. Worthless, the lot of them.


The last time I looked, it wasn't the atheists who went round telling everybody that there are poor, miserable sinners destined to burn in hell for all eternity because someone ate an apple.
 
2012-11-19 08:15:15 AM

Happy Hours:
I find it sad, I'm not religious but I'm not against religion either. If you want to celebrate your god or even multiple gods I'm not going to show up at your celebration just to shiat all over it. If you want to protest a religion, let's be specific about it. Protest the Catholic church sheltering pedophiles if you want. That's something even Catholics can support.


But you just look like assholes when you show up to mock those who have different beliefs than you do - even though that is your right. The First Amendment does protect yo ...


"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."
- Thomas Jefferson

We specifically mocking the belief in gods.
 
2012-11-19 08:15:51 AM
Hmm. In 2011, Vix recruited 10 others to inundate the city with applications for tongue-in-cheek displays such as an homage to the "Pastafarian religion," which would include an artistic representation of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster.

pffffchchchchch....


Ok, NOW you're helping.

/dude still looks like a hipster douche, though...
 
2012-11-19 08:16:07 AM

Happy Hours: I can comfortably ignore religion.


I can- right up until religious beliefs invade government. Which is all. the. farking. time.
 
2012-11-19 08:16:34 AM

hbk72777: I like seeing the decorations. I like seeing lit up menorahs in windows. I put up 3 full sized trees in my house.


You do know that the trees have originally nothing to do with Christian mythology. Just sayin', because I like putting up a tree too, but I don't have to feel like I'm being dishonest about it because I'm celebrating it in its original context.
 
2012-11-19 08:17:00 AM

Happy Hours: Personally, I don't see religion as such a threat that I have to troll religious folks. I can comfortably ignore religion.


Perhaps religion isn't trying to stop you getting married?
 
2012-11-19 08:18:11 AM
*sniff* he he he he he he *sniff* *snnniifff* he he he he he he *sniff* he he he he he
 
2012-11-19 08:19:07 AM

orbister: Perhaps religion isn't trying to stop you getting married?


Or decide what gets to set up shop in your uterus? Or define regressive social roles based on gender? Or promote the physical, sexual and psychological abuse of children?
 
2012-11-19 08:19:08 AM

Happy Hours: They weren't really promoting Poseidon. They were making a point - which is their right, but it was still very trollish of them especially because they didn't actually believe in Poseidon.


Would it be very trollish of me if all the world smoked cigarettes and I and a few others knew the truth that they cause you to die of terrible, delibilitating cancer and so we set about putting up signs depicting diseased lungs on national have a smoke day?
 
2012-11-19 08:19:21 AM

StrangeQ: But apparently the Christians' right to speech trumps the atheists as they were the ones who vandalized the atheist displays...


No. Let's stop for a second and be honest with ourselves. The atheists' "display" wasn't exactly a display of something meaningful and valuable that they wanted to showcase about a seasonal holiday they celebrate; it was a Big ol' "Fark you" to the christians -the equivalent of a big farking middle finger sticking up in the air, so don't go all martyr on this by saying that your beliefs were attacked when someone "vandalized" said display.
 
2012-11-19 08:19:44 AM
The atheists should go ahead and change the city's name to something a little more secular, too, no?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Monica
 
2012-11-19 08:19:58 AM

t3knomanser: Happy Hours: Activist atheists obviously saw an issue which is why they trolled the Christians with their displays of Poseidon and Flying Spaghetti Monsters - and that's their right of free speech to do so too.

That is not trolling. That's getting equal time. Poseidon is as legitimate a deity as any other, and we have equal reason to believe in him as we do the judeochristolamic deity. If the state gives one religious group space, then they must give everyone space. That's the best reason for keeping government away from religious holidays.


EQUAL time? The secular coalition won 18 of 21 spaces. The two others went to the traditional Christmas displays and one to a Hanukkah display.

It would've been fine if they had 1 or 2. Displays about the secular bit of Xmas. Or even a flat-out atheist thingee about how there's no God or something. That would've been fine. But 18 of 21!??

And that's how Vamon Dicks is "not helping."
 
Displayed 50 of 449 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report