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(Reuters)   Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong and is totally innocent, retains Robert Barnett, lawyer to political elite   (reuters.com) divider line 29
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2012-11-19 09:49:44 AM  
4 votes:

sammyk: I'd lawyer up too if I had to testify anywhere under oath. the entire republican party willing to do anything to hurt the president and would not think twice about taking me down anyway they could dream up to accomplish that

2012-11-19 11:43:29 AM  
2 votes:

Anti_illuminati: Freaking puritanical Americans. Love it.


Petraeus isn't in hot water because of "puritanism" he's in hot water because he was breaking the CIA's own rules against having an affair, which are there because it leaves an officer open to blackmail, which is kind of a bad thing if you're the head of the CIA.
2012-11-19 11:23:05 AM  
2 votes:

wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly

2012-11-19 09:31:15 AM  
2 votes:
I'd lawyer up too if I had the entire republican party willing to do anything to hurt the president and would not think twice about taking me down anyway they could dream up to accomplish that.
2012-11-19 09:19:26 AM  
2 votes:
That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.
2012-11-20 09:08:42 AM  
1 votes:
In America, if you are innocent, you lawyer up twice as early and twice as much. If you want to live.
2012-11-19 08:17:32 PM  
1 votes:
Big farking deal. You're going to be pushed around in the name of the law, you get a lawyer, regardless of how innocent you are.

Just as an experiment, we should arrest subby for something he didn't do and show legitimate proof across the country that makes it look like he did it and see how long until his ignorant ass lawyers up.
2012-11-19 04:34:49 PM  
1 votes:
Only guilty people hire lawyers?

If you're involved in a giant, juicy clusterfark like Petraeus is, you're a goddam fool to NOT hire a lawyer.
2012-11-19 04:26:29 PM  
1 votes:
For those who think getting a lawyer means you are guilty...one word...Patriot Act.
2012-11-19 04:23:17 PM  
1 votes:
Wait, exercising your basic civil rights is evidence of guilt now? Subby's been watching too much CSI and Law + Order, methinks.

If anyone's unaware, you should retain a lawyer immediately upon even the vaguest implication by the police (or in this case congress) that you're going to be involved in any investigation, in any way, as a suspect, witness, whatever. It doesn't matter if you're so innocent that your spit causes the blind to see and cures leprosy, if you don't have a lawyer advising you you will be railroaded for something, the entire history of western law supports this and it's why you have a right to an attorney in the first place.
2012-11-19 03:42:08 PM  
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: Never understood the meme about innocent people getting lawyers meaning they are guilty. It seems as good a reason to lawyer up as any. Not that petraeus is innocent of anything.



This isn't a meme at all. We all live in this society and we know that people are wrongly accused all the time, and that subby is a douchenozzle.
2012-11-19 03:27:42 PM  
1 votes:
tardmitter: Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong and is totally innocent, retains Robert Barnett, lawyer to political elite

Good point! Only guilty men have lawyers. I think hiring a lawyer in the middle of a Republican witch-hunt is EXACTLY THE SAME as admitting guilt and appointing Romney president.
2012-11-19 02:25:33 PM  
1 votes:
Hiring a lawyer doesn't mean he's guilty. Neither does invoking the Fifth Amendment.
2012-11-19 02:15:57 PM  
1 votes:

Emposter: whistleridge: I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset. Anyone who has ever seen a single episode of Law & Order should know that the one thing you never, ever, ever do is talk to the police without a lawyer present. They'll hook you every time - because they have lawyers on their side. You should too.

That's not guilt, that's common sense.

Ignoring the idea of Law and Order as being realistic (still love me some l&O, though), that one principle is as true as shiat. Never speak to the authorities or under oath without a lawyer. I mean, MAYBE if you're a victim and you called them...and even then, only MAYBE.


Realistic, no. A popular example as to why you should always, always lawyer up, yes. After all, if people always lawyered up, their plots wouldn't be nearly as much fun, now would they :p
2012-11-19 01:56:32 PM  
1 votes:
I want to live in subby's magical world where simply being innocent of wrongdoing results in 100% absolution in the court of law, much less court of public opinion. Especially in the Political Arena.
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2012-11-19 01:48:38 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-11-19 01:40:41 PM  
1 votes:
2012-11-19 01:40:04 PM  
1 votes:
Subby is stupid if he thinks that innocent people don't need lawyers to protect them from the police.

NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE.
2012-11-19 01:23:46 PM  
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: Never understood the meme about innocent people getting lawyers meaning they are guilty. It seems as good a reason to lawyer up as any. Not that petraeus is innocent of anything.


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Sometimes the only way to travel is with your attorney. And two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls.
2012-11-19 12:17:26 PM  
1 votes:

Carth: Innocent people who don't have good lawyers end up in jail if they are accused of things. Seems like a good idea on his part.


This. In fact, I'd say innocent people need lawyers MORE than guilty people.

Guilty person gets convicted - justice done.
Guilty person gets off - this is the fail-safe part of our system that we have to accept occasionally.
Innocent person gets off - justice done.
Innocent person gets convicted - this is what we want to happen NEVER EVER EVER. And it happens when innocent people think, "Oh, I'm totes innocent, I don't need a lawyer LOL"
2012-11-19 11:59:03 AM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.


These are all very good questions, but ultimately, they do not persuade me that I should care.
2012-11-19 11:41:20 AM  
1 votes:
This has been around forever, but sometimes folks need reminding.

Don't talk to the cops.
2012-11-19 11:33:12 AM  
1 votes:
Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong

Uh, subby, you do know Petraeus resigned, right? So that means he did kinda admit he did something wrong. Sorta.
2012-11-19 11:33:07 AM  
1 votes:
Freaking puritanical Americans. Love it.
2012-11-19 11:31:47 AM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: coeyagi: coeyagi: Cletus C.: wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly

Kardashian slag clone or Rachel McAdams w/ hooters? C'mon, Cletus, I know we disagree on politics, but man, you'reyour taste in women is appalling too.

FTFM

This one is like arguing over which is the sexier Olsen twin.


That's an easy one. Neither
2012-11-19 11:16:13 AM  
1 votes:
Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.
2012-11-19 11:07:28 AM  
1 votes:

unlikely: mrshowrules: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.

1) He wasn't the leak, he was the subject of a leak. The only difference between this leak and other leaks is this one involved his penis.
He was caught. Couldn't keep his secret, secret. Good spies don't caught (this goes more to lack of judgement though, see #3)

2) Obviously not, given how forthcoming he was on the thing once the leak came out
by definition it was no longer forthcoming, it was after-coming (sorry for that)

3) Okay, agreed, but obviously didn't affect his ability to do his job until non-related parties freaked out
Read the job description, I'm sure there is something about maintaining the reputation of the CIA in good standing and setting an example for his staff.

4) This matters strictly from a legal standpoint and has no bearing on his job performance - though I do believe law enforcement should be held to a higher standard of law compliance, so this one above all others actually matters to me
I think this goes towards job description also but an infraction of the UCMJ is actually the one I am least concerned for because it has the least bearing on National Security interests.

5) Only if he lets it be. Had his press conference on the subject been "Yup, tappin' that. Sa-WEET. Have a nice day" it would not be nearly the kerfuffle it is now.

True. By resigning he has actually set a very strong message to the CIA and has protected the integrity of the rules for staff. I do respect him for that.

I think General Petreaus is a hero and I respect him despite this scandal. It does not negate all he has accomplished. I was just indicating why this is a relevant news story.
2012-11-19 10:13:03 AM  
1 votes:

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.


1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.
2012-11-19 09:50:41 AM  
1 votes:
I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset. Anyone who has ever seen a single episode of Law & Order should know that the one thing you never, ever, ever do is talk to the police without a lawyer present. They'll hook you every time - because they have lawyers on their side. You should too.

That's not guilt, that's common sense.
 
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