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(Reuters)   Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong and is totally innocent, retains Robert Barnett, lawyer to political elite   (reuters.com) divider line 99
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2012-11-19 12:35:54 PM

Cletus C.: wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly


From the waist up only, no rude surprises please.
 
2012-11-19 12:35:54 PM

Mors: All of the problems people are listing are only problems BECAUSE we care who he puts his penis in.

If we didn't care, none of the other stuff would be an issue.


We should very much care whether or not the DIRECTOR OF THE CIA is morally corruptible, and how easy it is to effect such corruption.
 
2012-11-19 12:37:22 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Pretty sure he's been clear that he did something wrong, and has done the exact opposite of claiming innocence by admitting his mistake publicly. If memory serves, he made that clear when he resigned.

That does NOT mean he did anything illegal. And anyone who is facing criminal charges or even a civil suite would be stupid not to hire a lawyer.


I don't think I have ever completely agreed with anything you have ever posted. I'm gonna search this post for something I disagree with.

BojanglesPaladin: wrong, and


YOU DO NOT NEED THAT COMMA

I agree with the rest though.
 
2012-11-19 12:38:34 PM

Gonz: I'm one of the most boring, law-abiding individuals you'll ever meet. I'm That Guy who sets his cruise control to 2 MPH under the speed limit in the right-hand lane. In my Prius, at that. My idea of a wild Friday night is staying up past 10:30 so I can watch something after the kids have gone to bed.

I keep an attorney on retainer.


You know how I know you keep severed heads in a freezer?
 
2012-11-19 12:38:42 PM

actualhuman: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

I had a reply typed up and Fark ate it (shiatheads) so I'll just link the reason we care: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnel_Reliability_Program


That would make him unfit to retain his position, a point which is moot now that he has resigned and a failing of that particular program, rather than him, if it was not caught. It would not make him a criminal.

UCMJ in general isn't used for retirees. That'd be rather insane and would set a very poor precedent.
 
2012-11-19 12:40:07 PM

lennavan: I don't think I have ever completely agreed with anything you have ever posted.


Probably not COMPLETELY, but we do, occasionaly, agree even if, only rarely.

:)
 
2012-11-19 12:42:29 PM

BojanglesPaladin: lennavan: I don't think I have ever completely agreed with anything you have ever posted.

Probably not COMPLETELY, but we do, occasionaly, agree even if, only rarely.

:)


This will not, become a habit.
 
2012-11-19 12:58:42 PM

qorkfiend: Mors: All of the problems people are listing are only problems BECAUSE we care who he puts his penis in.

If we didn't care, none of the other stuff would be an issue.

We should very much care whether or not the DIRECTOR OF THE CIA is morally corruptible, and how easy it is to effect such corruption.


The Director of the CIA must be morally corrupt.

He must order the killing of innocent women and children by drone strikes on a daily basis.

A morale man would never order a second drone strike targeting the First Responders, but the head if the CIA does.

It takes a True Anerican Hero to slaughter the innocents to keep our country free.

God Bless Gen Petrause.
 
2012-11-19 01:04:12 PM

actualhuman: Gonz: Krymson Tyde: That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.

I'm one of the most boring, law-abiding individuals you'll ever meet. I'm That Guy who sets his cruise control to 2 MPH under the speed limit in the right-hand lane. In my Prius, at that. My idea of a wild Friday night is staying up past 10:30 so I can watch something after the kids have gone to bed.

I keep an attorney on retainer.

What is a Drug Smuggler?


Nah, money laundering is too much of a hassle.

I may or may not murder hobos for fun and relaxation, though.
 
2012-11-19 01:06:15 PM

mcreadyblue: qorkfiend: Mors: All of the problems people are listing are only problems BECAUSE we care who he puts his penis in.

If we didn't care, none of the other stuff would be an issue.

We should very much care whether or not the DIRECTOR OF THE CIA is morally corruptible, and how easy it is to effect such corruption.

The Director of the CIA must be morally corrupt.

He must order the killing of innocent women and children by drone strikes on a daily basis.

A morale man would never order a second drone strike targeting the First Responders, but the head if the CIA does.

It takes a True Anerican Hero to slaughter the innocents to keep our country free.

God Bless Gen Petrause.


What I actually said was "corruptible", as in "able to be corrupted", most notably by the chance for some high-class trim. But you're right - we definitely shouldn't worry about what the Director of the CIA might do for some tail.
 
2012-11-19 01:07:39 PM

whistleridge: I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset. Anyone who has ever seen a single episode of Law & Order

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anyone who learns about law by watching TV probably should have a lawyer and there mom with them.
 
2012-11-19 01:22:10 PM
I was hoping the boobies was "That poor Chicken" again.
 
2012-11-19 01:23:46 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Never understood the meme about innocent people getting lawyers meaning they are guilty. It seems as good a reason to lawyer up as any. Not that petraeus is innocent of anything.


www.brnrd.net

Sometimes the only way to travel is with your attorney. And two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls.
 
2012-11-19 01:26:06 PM

Gonz: Krymson Tyde: That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.

I'm one of the most boring, law-abiding individuals you'll ever meet. I'm That Guy who sets his cruise control to 2 MPH under the speed limit in the right-hand lane. In my Prius, at that. My idea of a wild Friday night is staying up past 10:30 so I can watch something after the kids have gone to bed.

I keep an attorney on retainer.


does your "dark passenger" ever tell you to hurry the fark up?
 
2012-11-19 01:28:40 PM
Geez, the guy drilled someone who was/is about half the age of his wife. He made love, not war and the Repubs are like moths to a flame when it comes to sex...
 
2012-11-19 01:40:04 PM
Subby is stupid if he thinks that innocent people don't need lawyers to protect them from the police.

NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE.
 
2012-11-19 01:40:41 PM
 
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2012-11-19 01:48:38 PM
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2012-11-19 01:56:32 PM
I want to live in subby's magical world where simply being innocent of wrongdoing results in 100% absolution in the court of law, much less court of public opinion. Especially in the Political Arena.
 
2012-11-19 02:01:32 PM
The innocent have nothing to worry about...right?
 
2012-11-19 02:15:57 PM

Emposter: whistleridge: I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset. Anyone who has ever seen a single episode of Law & Order should know that the one thing you never, ever, ever do is talk to the police without a lawyer present. They'll hook you every time - because they have lawyers on their side. You should too.

That's not guilt, that's common sense.

Ignoring the idea of Law and Order as being realistic (still love me some l&O, though), that one principle is as true as shiat. Never speak to the authorities or under oath without a lawyer. I mean, MAYBE if you're a victim and you called them...and even then, only MAYBE.


Realistic, no. A popular example as to why you should always, always lawyer up, yes. After all, if people always lawyered up, their plots wouldn't be nearly as much fun, now would they :p
 
2012-11-19 02:25:33 PM
Hiring a lawyer doesn't mean he's guilty. Neither does invoking the Fifth Amendment.
 
2012-11-19 02:31:31 PM
Well now that he's pissed in Obama's Cheerios over Benghazi, I'd say that's a wise move.
 
2012-11-19 03:19:38 PM

Krymson Tyde: That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.


Except that he is. He committed a crime - at least one, and probably several.

For a start, I think its fair to assume he was having sex with Broadwell (a name straight out of a bad novel). Adultery is a criminal offense under the UCMJ

Next up, it appears the affair started while he was still stationed in Afghanistan, and therefore prior to taking his post as CIA chief. I find it very, very unlikely the Senate Intelligence committee wouldn't have some standard questionairres that duplicate much of the usual security background check stuff. That would include questions that would require divulging the adultery. So while we can't be certain (there are multiple ifs here), it seems likely he lied during the confirmation process.

Then there's the whole email thing. Unless he went to the trouble of only accessing it on personal devices, he used government equipment to facilitate commission of a crime (the adultery).


IANAL but I suspect a prosecutor could generate quite a little list of charges.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:22 PM

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.


You cannot retain a security clearance if you commit adultery. If you do not have a security clearance, you cannot be in the CIA, let alone its Director.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:42 PM
tardmitter: Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong and is totally innocent, retains Robert Barnett, lawyer to political elite

Good point! Only guilty men have lawyers. I think hiring a lawyer in the middle of a Republican witch-hunt is EXACTLY THE SAME as admitting guilt and appointing Romney president.
 
2012-11-19 03:37:55 PM

Leishu:

UCMJ in general isn't used for retirees. That'd be rather insane and would set a very poor precedent.


It is when the crime occurred prior to retirement. If he was boinking her while still in Afghanistan, game over.
 
2012-11-19 03:39:31 PM

mrshowrules:

I think General Petraeus is a hero


Some disagree
 
2012-11-19 03:42:08 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Never understood the meme about innocent people getting lawyers meaning they are guilty. It seems as good a reason to lawyer up as any. Not that petraeus is innocent of anything.



This isn't a meme at all. We all live in this society and we know that people are wrongly accused all the time, and that subby is a douchenozzle.
 
2012-11-19 04:12:22 PM

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.



Does kind of make you wonder why everyone is jumping up and down about it saying, "LOOK! Over HERE! Over HERE!".
 
2012-11-19 04:14:15 PM

MontanaDave: I shudder to think of a circumcision so poorly done that it leaves the tip loose.


Reminds me of character from Harry Potter. Nearly Headless Nick



/Nick, not Dick
 
2012-11-19 04:22:31 PM
Nothing a FarkLib loves more than celebrating the death of Navy SEALs.
 
2012-11-19 04:23:17 PM
Wait, exercising your basic civil rights is evidence of guilt now? Subby's been watching too much CSI and Law + Order, methinks.

If anyone's unaware, you should retain a lawyer immediately upon even the vaguest implication by the police (or in this case congress) that you're going to be involved in any investigation, in any way, as a suspect, witness, whatever. It doesn't matter if you're so innocent that your spit causes the blind to see and cures leprosy, if you don't have a lawyer advising you you will be railroaded for something, the entire history of western law supports this and it's why you have a right to an attorney in the first place.
 
2012-11-19 04:26:29 PM
For those who think getting a lawyer means you are guilty...one word...Patriot Act.
 
2012-11-19 04:34:49 PM
Only guilty people hire lawyers?

If you're involved in a giant, juicy clusterfark like Petraeus is, you're a goddam fool to NOT hire a lawyer.
 
2012-11-19 04:37:17 PM

beta_plus: Nothing a FarkLib loves more than celebrating the death of Navy SEALs.


Not true. What I love most is when a dead SEAL's wife breaks the news to his son that daddy's never coming home.

Christ, I'm getting a hard on just thinking about it.
 
2012-11-19 05:00:02 PM

Emposter:

Ignoring the idea of Law and Order as being realistic (still love me some l&O, though), that one principle is as true as shiat. Never speak to the authorities or under oath without a lawyer. I mean, MAYBE if you're a victim and you called them...and even then, only MAYBE.


Simplified for clarity.

Never talk to the cops, ever.
 
2012-11-19 05:02:48 PM

andrewagill: mrshowrules: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.

These are all very good questions, but ultimately, they do not persuade me that I should care.


Do you think the CIA is important? How important do you consider internal security to CIA operations?
 
2012-11-19 05:06:46 PM

Rent Party: Emposter:

Ignoring the idea of Law and Order as being realistic (still love me some l&O, though), that one principle is as true as shiat. Never speak to the authorities or under oath without a lawyer. I mean, MAYBE if you're a victim and you called them...and even then, only MAYBE.

Simplified for clarity.

Never talk to the cops, ever.


No, I meant what I said. Limiting it to cops leaves out court hearings, congressional hearings, etc.
 
2012-11-19 05:31:53 PM

MisterRonbo: Leishu:

UCMJ in general isn't used for retirees. That'd be rather insane and would set a very poor precedent.

It is when the crime occurred prior to retirement. If he was boinking her while still in Afghanistan, game over.


And your assumption that he was comes from...?
 
2012-11-19 06:08:33 PM

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.


What matters is that Petraeus cared.
 
2012-11-19 06:27:20 PM

Freakman: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

You cannot retain a security clearance if you commit adultery. If you do not have a security clearance, you cannot be in the CIA, let alone its Director.


Untrue. The organizations that grant security clearances don't (for the most part) care about your adultery. They DO care if you don't mention it in your security paperwork. It may raise your risk level a bit, but you're not losing a clearance over an admitted affair.
 
2012-11-19 07:05:03 PM

Lionel Mandrake: beta_plus: Nothing a FarkLib loves more than celebrating the death of Navy SEALs.

Not true. What I love most is when a dead SEAL's wife breaks the news to his son that daddy's never coming home.

Christ, I'm getting a hard on just thinking about it.


Don't forget the family dog, who will never understand why their best friend and master isn't home yet, and spends each day thinking that maybe, just maybe, today will be the day he shows up.
 
2012-11-19 08:03:57 PM

Teufelaffe: Don't forget the family dog, who will never understand why their best friend and master isn't home yet, and spends each day thinking that maybe, just maybe, today will be the day he shows up.


That might be the most depressing single sentence I have ever read.
 
2012-11-19 08:17:32 PM
Big farking deal. You're going to be pushed around in the name of the law, you get a lawyer, regardless of how innocent you are.

Just as an experiment, we should arrest subby for something he didn't do and show legitimate proof across the country that makes it look like he did it and see how long until his ignorant ass lawyers up.
 
2012-11-19 08:50:37 PM
One day, when I have a position of power (God for forbid) I will have an affair too - my girlfriend would understand of course - and I will also testify in opposition to the Obama regime. We did something stupid, had a pathetic coverup, and that's that. I would never vote for Romney but the administration lied - might as well said they had WMDs.
 
2012-11-19 09:01:37 PM
Submitter's other handle must be WonderBread. Dude (or chick): always retain an attorney.
 
2012-11-20 05:10:19 AM

ElPollotonto: One day, when I have a position of power (God for forbid) I will have an affair too - my girlfriend would understand of course - and I will also testify in opposition to the Obama regime. We did something stupid, had a pathetic coverup, and that's that. I would never vote for Romney but the administration lied - might as well said they had WMDs.


I really must try these drugs you guys are taking.
 
2012-11-20 09:08:42 AM
In America, if you are innocent, you lawyer up twice as early and twice as much. If you want to live.
 
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