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(Reuters)   Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong and is totally innocent, retains Robert Barnett, lawyer to political elite   (reuters.com) divider line 99
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2012-11-19 09:19:26 AM  
That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.
 
2012-11-19 09:31:15 AM  
I'd lawyer up too if I had the entire republican party willing to do anything to hurt the president and would not think twice about taking me down anyway they could dream up to accomplish that.
 
2012-11-19 09:49:44 AM  

sammyk: I'd lawyer up too if I had to testify anywhere under oath. the entire republican party willing to do anything to hurt the president and would not think twice about taking me down anyway they could dream up to accomplish that

 
2012-11-19 09:50:41 AM  
I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset. Anyone who has ever seen a single episode of Law & Order should know that the one thing you never, ever, ever do is talk to the police without a lawyer present. They'll hook you every time - because they have lawyers on their side. You should too.

That's not guilt, that's common sense.
 
2012-11-19 10:07:18 AM  
I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.
 
2012-11-19 10:13:03 AM  

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.


1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.
 
2012-11-19 10:32:26 AM  

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.


Because his penis had access to classified documents and loose tips sink ships I guess.
 
2012-11-19 10:40:28 AM  

Hershey Highway Patrol: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

Because his penis had access to classified documents and loose tips sink ships I guess.



So...he's circumsized?
 
2012-11-19 10:48:37 AM  

mrshowrules: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.


1) He wasn't the leak, he was the subject of a leak. The only difference between this leak and other leaks is this one involved his penis.
2) Obviously not, given how forthcoming he was on the thing once the leak came out
3) Okay, agreed, but obviously didn't affect his ability to do his job until non-related parties freaked out
4) This matters strictly from a legal standpoint and has no bearing on his job performance - though I do believe law enforcement should be held to a higher standard of law compliance, so this one above all others actually matters to me
5) Only if he lets it be. Had his press conference on the subject been "Yup, tappin' that. Sa-WEET. Have a nice day" it would not be nearly the kerfuffle it is now.
 
2012-11-19 11:07:28 AM  

unlikely: mrshowrules: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.

1) He wasn't the leak, he was the subject of a leak. The only difference between this leak and other leaks is this one involved his penis.
He was caught. Couldn't keep his secret, secret. Good spies don't caught (this goes more to lack of judgement though, see #3)

2) Obviously not, given how forthcoming he was on the thing once the leak came out
by definition it was no longer forthcoming, it was after-coming (sorry for that)

3) Okay, agreed, but obviously didn't affect his ability to do his job until non-related parties freaked out
Read the job description, I'm sure there is something about maintaining the reputation of the CIA in good standing and setting an example for his staff.

4) This matters strictly from a legal standpoint and has no bearing on his job performance - though I do believe law enforcement should be held to a higher standard of law compliance, so this one above all others actually matters to me
I think this goes towards job description also but an infraction of the UCMJ is actually the one I am least concerned for because it has the least bearing on National Security interests.

5) Only if he lets it be. Had his press conference on the subject been "Yup, tappin' that. Sa-WEET. Have a nice day" it would not be nearly the kerfuffle it is now.

True. By resigning he has actually set a very strong message to the CIA and has protected the integrity of the rules for staff. I do respect him for that.

I think General Petreaus is a hero and I respect him despite this scandal. It does not negate all he has accomplished. I was just indicating why this is a relevant news story.
 
2012-11-19 11:16:13 AM  
Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.
 
2012-11-19 11:23:05 AM  

wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly

 
2012-11-19 11:23:20 AM  

whistleridge: I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset. Anyone who has ever seen a single episode of Law & Order should know that the one thing you never, ever, ever do is talk to the police without a lawyer present. They'll hook you every time - because they have lawyers on their side. You should too.

That's not guilt, that's common sense.


Subby knows this, we know that subby knows this, subby knows that we know that he knows this, so subby is just left to be the pathetic bridge-dwelling toll-collecting creature that he is.
 
2012-11-19 11:23:43 AM  

whistleridge: I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset. Anyone who has ever seen a single episode of Law & Order should know that the one thing you never, ever, ever do is talk to the police without a lawyer present. They'll hook you every time - because they have lawyers on their side. You should too.

That's not guilt, that's common sense.


Ignoring the idea of Law and Order as being realistic (still love me some l&O, though), that one principle is as true as shiat. Never speak to the authorities or under oath without a lawyer. I mean, MAYBE if you're a victim and you called them...and even then, only MAYBE.
 
2012-11-19 11:24:23 AM  

Cletus C.: wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly


Kardashian slag clone or Rachel McAdams w/ hooters? C'mon, Cletus, I know we disagree on politics, but man, you're taste in women is appalling too.
 
2012-11-19 11:24:24 AM  

whistleridge: They'll hook you every time - because they have lawyers on their side.


Even better -- they have the law on their side. And there's the tendency by most juries to weigh testimony from the police more heavily than testimony from independent witnesses.
 
2012-11-19 11:25:00 AM  

coeyagi: Cletus C.: wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly

Kardashian slag clone or Rachel McAdams w/ hooters? C'mon, Cletus, I know we disagree on politics, but man, you'reyour taste in women is appalling too.


FTFM
 
2012-11-19 11:27:01 AM  

whistleridge: I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset.


I'm the same way. Exercising one's rights isn't a sign of guilt, it's a sign of intelligence.
 
2012-11-19 11:27:05 AM  
Republicans get so much mileage from a evidence of hetero activity when a Democrat is President, how would the media know this is any different. No one ever got fired for digging up an old birther Benghazi story. After all the news is just filler between reality shows.

It's a slow news day: no floods in Venice, war in Gaza, fiscal cliff, euro in turmoil, devastation in the major metropolis, Rove vote hackers getting hacked.
 
2012-11-19 11:27:54 AM  
Never understood the meme about innocent people getting lawyers meaning they are guilty. It seems as good a reason to lawyer up as any. Not that petraeus is innocent of anything.
 
2012-11-19 11:30:08 AM  

coeyagi: coeyagi: Cletus C.: wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly

Kardashian slag clone or Rachel McAdams w/ hooters? C'mon, Cletus, I know we disagree on politics, but man, you'reyour taste in women is appalling too.

FTFM


This one is like arguing over which is the sexier Olsen twin.
 
2012-11-19 11:31:47 AM  

Cletus C.: coeyagi: coeyagi: Cletus C.: wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly

Kardashian slag clone or Rachel McAdams w/ hooters? C'mon, Cletus, I know we disagree on politics, but man, you'reyour taste in women is appalling too.

FTFM

This one is like arguing over which is the sexier Olsen twin.


That's an easy one. Neither
 
2012-11-19 11:33:07 AM  
Freaking puritanical Americans. Love it.
 
2012-11-19 11:33:12 AM  
Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong

Uh, subby, you do know Petraeus resigned, right? So that means he did kinda admit he did something wrong. Sorta.
 
2012-11-19 11:38:43 AM  

Cletus C.: coeyagi: coeyagi: Cletus C.: wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly

Kardashian slag clone or Rachel McAdams w/ hooters? C'mon, Cletus, I know we disagree on politics, but man, you'reyour taste in women is appalling too.

FTFM

This one is like arguing over which is the sexier Olsen twin.


Door #3. Elizabeth Olsen. The actually hot Olsen sister.

//Think outside the box (about box)!
 
2012-11-19 11:40:32 AM  

mrshowrules: Read the job description, I'm sure there is something about maintaining the reputation of the CIA in good standing and setting an example for his staff.


How exactly do you damage the reputation of an agency whose very existence is for the purpose of sneaking around, lying, cheating, and even killing without repercussion when necessary?
 
2012-11-19 11:41:20 AM  
This has been around forever, but sometimes folks need reminding.

Don't talk to the cops.
 
2012-11-19 11:43:29 AM  

Anti_illuminati: Freaking puritanical Americans. Love it.


Petraeus isn't in hot water because of "puritanism" he's in hot water because he was breaking the CIA's own rules against having an affair, which are there because it leaves an officer open to blackmail, which is kind of a bad thing if you're the head of the CIA.
 
2012-11-19 11:44:09 AM  

lennavan: Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong

Uh, subby, you do know Petraeus resigned, right? So that means he did kinda admit he did something wrong. Sorta.


Those are some pretty ambiguous words there, len.
 
2012-11-19 11:47:01 AM  

Anti_illuminati: lennavan: Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong

Uh, subby, you do know Petraeus resigned, right? So that means he did kinda admit he did something wrong. Sorta.

Those are some pretty ambiguous words there, len.


Anthony Weiner did nothing wrong either. And stepping down was exactly the right thing to do. Perception is everything.
 
2012-11-19 11:52:35 AM  
Romney has lawyers that means he must be guilty of a crime too right retardmitter?
 
2012-11-19 11:52:50 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: mrshowrules: Read the job description, I'm sure there is something about maintaining the reputation of the CIA in good standing and setting an example for his staff.

How exactly do you damage the reputation of an agency whose very existence is for the purpose of sneaking around, lying, cheating, and even killing without repercussion when necessary?


ensuring people know they are good at it
 
2012-11-19 11:53:40 AM  

Need_MindBleach: Anti_illuminati: Freaking puritanical Americans. Love it.

Petraeus isn't in hot water because of "puritanism" he's in hot water because he was breaking the CIA's own rules against having an affair, which are there because it leaves an officer open to blackmail, which is kind of a bad thing if you're the head of the CIA.


Thanks for clearing up the fact Americans, in general, aren't puritanical.

/I'm not questioning the legitimacy of his wrongdoing (he broke the rules, so be it), just the severe outrage over subjective moral behaviour
 
2012-11-19 11:55:05 AM  

coeyagi: Anti_illuminati: lennavan: Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong

Uh, subby, you do know Petraeus resigned, right? So that means he did kinda admit he did something wrong. Sorta.

Those are some pretty ambiguous words there, len.

Anthony Weiner did nothing wrong either. And stepping down was exactly the right thing to do. Perception is everything.


This is why people in (most) other countries think Americans are ridiculously puritanical.
 
2012-11-19 11:55:21 AM  

Krymson Tyde: That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.


I'm one of the most boring, law-abiding individuals you'll ever meet. I'm That Guy who sets his cruise control to 2 MPH under the speed limit in the right-hand lane. In my Prius, at that. My idea of a wild Friday night is staying up past 10:30 so I can watch something after the kids have gone to bed.

I keep an attorney on retainer.
 
2012-11-19 11:59:03 AM  

mrshowrules: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.


These are all very good questions, but ultimately, they do not persuade me that I should care.
 
2012-11-19 12:02:24 PM  

Anti_illuminati: coeyagi: Anti_illuminati: lennavan: Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong

Uh, subby, you do know Petraeus resigned, right? So that means he did kinda admit he did something wrong. Sorta.

Those are some pretty ambiguous words there, len.

Anthony Weiner did nothing wrong either. And stepping down was exactly the right thing to do. Perception is everything.

This is why people in (most) other countries think Americans are ridiculously puritanical.


Well, the intent is to stop the puritanical assholes (GOP) from causing a stink. I too could give a f*ck what he does with his dick.

So I guess we have a chicken / egg argument.
 
2012-11-19 12:04:17 PM  

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.


Because we want to pretend that the economy isn't going to tip into the shiatter again soon.
 
2012-11-19 12:06:14 PM  

Wireless Joe: This has been around forever, but sometimes folks need reminding.

Don't talk to the cops.


I just want to add my approval of that video. I saw it linked countless times before I finally watched it (fark it's really long). But it's pretty entertaining, the guy is a great speaker. And it's amazingly informative/convincing.
 
2012-11-19 12:07:19 PM  

Anti_illuminati: lennavan: Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong

Uh, subby, you do know Petraeus resigned, right? So that means he did kinda admit he did something wrong. Sorta.

Those are some pretty ambiguous words there, len.


I was hoping throwing the "sorta" at the end would magnify the sarcasm behind the "kinda." My bad.
 
2012-11-19 12:10:13 PM  
Innocent people who don't have good lawyers end up in jail if they are accused of things. Seems like a good idea on his part.
 
2012-11-19 12:12:52 PM  

mrshowrules: the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret


Yeah I find it pretty hilarious that the head of the CIA was saving naughty letters to his girlfriend as drafts in a shared gmail account on the theory that is was hidden from prying eyes there.

It's also kinda funny that our spy in chief didn't know that you can trace your location using an IP address. I guess he never got one of those "Meet hot women in Kalamazoo" banner ads.

But hey, there's no law against being stupid (unless your poor).
 
2012-11-19 12:15:59 PM  

lennavan: Anti_illuminati: lennavan: Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong

Uh, subby, you do know Petraeus resigned, right? So that means he did kinda admit he did something wrong. Sorta.

Those are some pretty ambiguous words there, len.

I was hoping throwing the "sorta" at the end would magnify the sarcasm behind the "kinda." My bad.


I was attempting to magnify the sarcasm with a play-on-meme. Totally failed you. Bad is all mine.
 
2012-11-19 12:17:26 PM  

Carth: Innocent people who don't have good lawyers end up in jail if they are accused of things. Seems like a good idea on his part.


This. In fact, I'd say innocent people need lawyers MORE than guilty people.

Guilty person gets convicted - justice done.
Guilty person gets off - this is the fail-safe part of our system that we have to accept occasionally.
Innocent person gets off - justice done.
Innocent person gets convicted - this is what we want to happen NEVER EVER EVER. And it happens when innocent people think, "Oh, I'm totes innocent, I don't need a lawyer LOL"
 
2012-11-19 12:18:47 PM  

mrshowrules: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.


I think I care about precisely two of those.

Three, technically, but one of them is a tertiary care. I mean. "Keeping Secrets" is kind of the purview of the CIA. So the reveal has a Plame-ish aroma to it.

But otherwise, I've come around to the blackmail angle and the UCMJ angle. But as for poor judgment, we *ought* be able to evaluate the judgment of our country's leadership from outcomes alone. If the job is done well, then the person doing the job is DOING it well.

Being a bad example kind of... loses it's oomph for me. That sounds like something Roger Goodell would say after fining Ocho Cinco 30k for putting a poncho on after scoring a touchdown.

But I agree that the aspect of poor judgment specifically related to blackmail and more generally coercion of any sort, is a big deal. And I agree that the UCMJ should be the meter stick against which this transgression is measured.
 
2012-11-19 12:24:47 PM  

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.


I had a reply typed up and Fark ate it (shiatheads) so I'll just link the reason we care: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnel_Reliability_Program
 
2012-11-19 12:30:28 PM  

Gonz: Krymson Tyde: That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.

I'm one of the most boring, law-abiding individuals you'll ever meet. I'm That Guy who sets his cruise control to 2 MPH under the speed limit in the right-hand lane. In my Prius, at that. My idea of a wild Friday night is staying up past 10:30 so I can watch something after the kids have gone to bed.

I keep an attorney on retainer.


What is a Drug Smuggler?
 
2012-11-19 12:32:18 PM  
All of the problems people are listing are only problems BECAUSE we care who he puts his penis in.

If we didn't care, none of the other stuff would be an issue.
 
2012-11-19 12:33:11 PM  

I_C_Weener: Hershey Highway Patrol: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

Because his penis had access to classified documents and loose tips sink ships I guess.


So...he's circumsized?


I shudder to think of a circumcision so poorly done that it leaves the tip loose.
 
2012-11-19 12:34:12 PM  
Pretty sure he's been clear that he did something wrong, and has done the exact opposite of claiming innocence by admitting his mistake publicly. If memory serves, he made that clear when he resigned.

That does NOT mean he did anything illegal. And anyone who is facing criminal charges or even a civil suite would be stupid not to hire a lawyer.
 
2012-11-19 12:35:54 PM  

Cletus C.: wambu: Please leave this man alone and post links to the nude pics of Paula Broadwell.Jill Kelly


From the waist up only, no rude surprises please.
 
2012-11-19 12:35:54 PM  

Mors: All of the problems people are listing are only problems BECAUSE we care who he puts his penis in.

If we didn't care, none of the other stuff would be an issue.


We should very much care whether or not the DIRECTOR OF THE CIA is morally corruptible, and how easy it is to effect such corruption.
 
2012-11-19 12:37:22 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Pretty sure he's been clear that he did something wrong, and has done the exact opposite of claiming innocence by admitting his mistake publicly. If memory serves, he made that clear when he resigned.

That does NOT mean he did anything illegal. And anyone who is facing criminal charges or even a civil suite would be stupid not to hire a lawyer.


I don't think I have ever completely agreed with anything you have ever posted. I'm gonna search this post for something I disagree with.

BojanglesPaladin: wrong, and


YOU DO NOT NEED THAT COMMA

I agree with the rest though.
 
2012-11-19 12:38:34 PM  

Gonz: I'm one of the most boring, law-abiding individuals you'll ever meet. I'm That Guy who sets his cruise control to 2 MPH under the speed limit in the right-hand lane. In my Prius, at that. My idea of a wild Friday night is staying up past 10:30 so I can watch something after the kids have gone to bed.

I keep an attorney on retainer.


You know how I know you keep severed heads in a freezer?
 
2012-11-19 12:38:42 PM  

actualhuman: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

I had a reply typed up and Fark ate it (shiatheads) so I'll just link the reason we care: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnel_Reliability_Program


That would make him unfit to retain his position, a point which is moot now that he has resigned and a failing of that particular program, rather than him, if it was not caught. It would not make him a criminal.

UCMJ in general isn't used for retirees. That'd be rather insane and would set a very poor precedent.
 
2012-11-19 12:40:07 PM  

lennavan: I don't think I have ever completely agreed with anything you have ever posted.


Probably not COMPLETELY, but we do, occasionaly, agree even if, only rarely.

:)
 
2012-11-19 12:42:29 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: lennavan: I don't think I have ever completely agreed with anything you have ever posted.

Probably not COMPLETELY, but we do, occasionaly, agree even if, only rarely.

:)


This will not, become a habit.
 
2012-11-19 12:58:42 PM  

qorkfiend: Mors: All of the problems people are listing are only problems BECAUSE we care who he puts his penis in.

If we didn't care, none of the other stuff would be an issue.

We should very much care whether or not the DIRECTOR OF THE CIA is morally corruptible, and how easy it is to effect such corruption.


The Director of the CIA must be morally corrupt.

He must order the killing of innocent women and children by drone strikes on a daily basis.

A morale man would never order a second drone strike targeting the First Responders, but the head if the CIA does.

It takes a True Anerican Hero to slaughter the innocents to keep our country free.

God Bless Gen Petrause.
 
2012-11-19 01:04:12 PM  

actualhuman: Gonz: Krymson Tyde: That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.

I'm one of the most boring, law-abiding individuals you'll ever meet. I'm That Guy who sets his cruise control to 2 MPH under the speed limit in the right-hand lane. In my Prius, at that. My idea of a wild Friday night is staying up past 10:30 so I can watch something after the kids have gone to bed.

I keep an attorney on retainer.

What is a Drug Smuggler?


Nah, money laundering is too much of a hassle.

I may or may not murder hobos for fun and relaxation, though.
 
2012-11-19 01:06:15 PM  

mcreadyblue: qorkfiend: Mors: All of the problems people are listing are only problems BECAUSE we care who he puts his penis in.

If we didn't care, none of the other stuff would be an issue.

We should very much care whether or not the DIRECTOR OF THE CIA is morally corruptible, and how easy it is to effect such corruption.

The Director of the CIA must be morally corrupt.

He must order the killing of innocent women and children by drone strikes on a daily basis.

A morale man would never order a second drone strike targeting the First Responders, but the head if the CIA does.

It takes a True Anerican Hero to slaughter the innocents to keep our country free.

God Bless Gen Petrause.


What I actually said was "corruptible", as in "able to be corrupted", most notably by the chance for some high-class trim. But you're right - we definitely shouldn't worry about what the Director of the CIA might do for some tail.
 
2012-11-19 01:07:39 PM  

whistleridge: I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset. Anyone who has ever seen a single episode of Law & Order

.


anyone who learns about law by watching TV probably should have a lawyer and there mom with them.
 
2012-11-19 01:22:10 PM  
I was hoping the boobies was "That poor Chicken" again.
 
2012-11-19 01:23:46 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Never understood the meme about innocent people getting lawyers meaning they are guilty. It seems as good a reason to lawyer up as any. Not that petraeus is innocent of anything.


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2012-11-19 01:26:06 PM  

Gonz: Krymson Tyde: That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.

I'm one of the most boring, law-abiding individuals you'll ever meet. I'm That Guy who sets his cruise control to 2 MPH under the speed limit in the right-hand lane. In my Prius, at that. My idea of a wild Friday night is staying up past 10:30 so I can watch something after the kids have gone to bed.

I keep an attorney on retainer.


does your "dark passenger" ever tell you to hurry the fark up?
 
2012-11-19 01:28:40 PM  
Geez, the guy drilled someone who was/is about half the age of his wife. He made love, not war and the Repubs are like moths to a flame when it comes to sex...
 
2012-11-19 01:40:04 PM  
Subby is stupid if he thinks that innocent people don't need lawyers to protect them from the police.

NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE.
 
2012-11-19 01:40:41 PM  
 
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2012-11-19 01:48:38 PM  
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2012-11-19 01:56:32 PM  
I want to live in subby's magical world where simply being innocent of wrongdoing results in 100% absolution in the court of law, much less court of public opinion. Especially in the Political Arena.
 
2012-11-19 02:01:32 PM  
The innocent have nothing to worry about...right?
 
2012-11-19 02:15:57 PM  

Emposter: whistleridge: I've never understood the 'you want a lawyer, you must be guilty' mindset. Anyone who has ever seen a single episode of Law & Order should know that the one thing you never, ever, ever do is talk to the police without a lawyer present. They'll hook you every time - because they have lawyers on their side. You should too.

That's not guilt, that's common sense.

Ignoring the idea of Law and Order as being realistic (still love me some l&O, though), that one principle is as true as shiat. Never speak to the authorities or under oath without a lawyer. I mean, MAYBE if you're a victim and you called them...and even then, only MAYBE.


Realistic, no. A popular example as to why you should always, always lawyer up, yes. After all, if people always lawyered up, their plots wouldn't be nearly as much fun, now would they :p
 
2012-11-19 02:25:33 PM  
Hiring a lawyer doesn't mean he's guilty. Neither does invoking the Fifth Amendment.
 
2012-11-19 02:31:31 PM  
Well now that he's pissed in Obama's Cheerios over Benghazi, I'd say that's a wise move.
 
2012-11-19 03:19:38 PM  

Krymson Tyde: That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.


Except that he is. He committed a crime - at least one, and probably several.

For a start, I think its fair to assume he was having sex with Broadwell (a name straight out of a bad novel). Adultery is a criminal offense under the UCMJ

Next up, it appears the affair started while he was still stationed in Afghanistan, and therefore prior to taking his post as CIA chief. I find it very, very unlikely the Senate Intelligence committee wouldn't have some standard questionairres that duplicate much of the usual security background check stuff. That would include questions that would require divulging the adultery. So while we can't be certain (there are multiple ifs here), it seems likely he lied during the confirmation process.

Then there's the whole email thing. Unless he went to the trouble of only accessing it on personal devices, he used government equipment to facilitate commission of a crime (the adultery).


IANAL but I suspect a prosecutor could generate quite a little list of charges.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:22 PM  

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.


You cannot retain a security clearance if you commit adultery. If you do not have a security clearance, you cannot be in the CIA, let alone its Director.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:42 PM  
tardmitter: Former CIA head Petraeus, who totally did nothing wrong and is totally innocent, retains Robert Barnett, lawyer to political elite

Good point! Only guilty men have lawyers. I think hiring a lawyer in the middle of a Republican witch-hunt is EXACTLY THE SAME as admitting guilt and appointing Romney president.
 
2012-11-19 03:37:55 PM  

Leishu:

UCMJ in general isn't used for retirees. That'd be rather insane and would set a very poor precedent.


It is when the crime occurred prior to retirement. If he was boinking her while still in Afghanistan, game over.
 
2012-11-19 03:39:31 PM  

mrshowrules:

I think General Petraeus is a hero


Some disagree
 
2012-11-19 03:42:08 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Never understood the meme about innocent people getting lawyers meaning they are guilty. It seems as good a reason to lawyer up as any. Not that petraeus is innocent of anything.



This isn't a meme at all. We all live in this society and we know that people are wrongly accused all the time, and that subby is a douchenozzle.
 
2012-11-19 04:12:22 PM  

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.



Does kind of make you wonder why everyone is jumping up and down about it saying, "LOOK! Over HERE! Over HERE!".
 
2012-11-19 04:14:15 PM  

MontanaDave: I shudder to think of a circumcision so poorly done that it leaves the tip loose.


Reminds me of character from Harry Potter. Nearly Headless Nick



/Nick, not Dick
 
2012-11-19 04:22:31 PM  
Nothing a FarkLib loves more than celebrating the death of Navy SEALs.
 
2012-11-19 04:23:17 PM  
Wait, exercising your basic civil rights is evidence of guilt now? Subby's been watching too much CSI and Law + Order, methinks.

If anyone's unaware, you should retain a lawyer immediately upon even the vaguest implication by the police (or in this case congress) that you're going to be involved in any investigation, in any way, as a suspect, witness, whatever. It doesn't matter if you're so innocent that your spit causes the blind to see and cures leprosy, if you don't have a lawyer advising you you will be railroaded for something, the entire history of western law supports this and it's why you have a right to an attorney in the first place.
 
2012-11-19 04:26:29 PM  
For those who think getting a lawyer means you are guilty...one word...Patriot Act.
 
2012-11-19 04:34:49 PM  
Only guilty people hire lawyers?

If you're involved in a giant, juicy clusterfark like Petraeus is, you're a goddam fool to NOT hire a lawyer.
 
2012-11-19 04:37:17 PM  

beta_plus: Nothing a FarkLib loves more than celebrating the death of Navy SEALs.


Not true. What I love most is when a dead SEAL's wife breaks the news to his son that daddy's never coming home.

Christ, I'm getting a hard on just thinking about it.
 
2012-11-19 05:00:02 PM  

Emposter:

Ignoring the idea of Law and Order as being realistic (still love me some l&O, though), that one principle is as true as shiat. Never speak to the authorities or under oath without a lawyer. I mean, MAYBE if you're a victim and you called them...and even then, only MAYBE.


Simplified for clarity.

Never talk to the cops, ever.
 
2012-11-19 05:02:48 PM  

andrewagill: mrshowrules: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

1) the head of the CIA couldn't keep it a secret
2) puts himself at risk for blackmail (could be compromised)
3) demonstrates poor judgement
4) could be breaking the rules of the UCMJ
5) bad example for staff and embarrassment to institution

Also, there is the question as to why Broadwell was given a security clearance and access to classified documents she kept at her residence. Not sure where that's at but that could be very very serious indeed.

These are all very good questions, but ultimately, they do not persuade me that I should care.


Do you think the CIA is important? How important do you consider internal security to CIA operations?
 
2012-11-19 05:06:46 PM  

Rent Party: Emposter:

Ignoring the idea of Law and Order as being realistic (still love me some l&O, though), that one principle is as true as shiat. Never speak to the authorities or under oath without a lawyer. I mean, MAYBE if you're a victim and you called them...and even then, only MAYBE.

Simplified for clarity.

Never talk to the cops, ever.


No, I meant what I said. Limiting it to cops leaves out court hearings, congressional hearings, etc.
 
2012-11-19 05:31:53 PM  

MisterRonbo: Leishu:

UCMJ in general isn't used for retirees. That'd be rather insane and would set a very poor precedent.

It is when the crime occurred prior to retirement. If he was boinking her while still in Afghanistan, game over.


And your assumption that he was comes from...?
 
2012-11-19 06:08:33 PM  

unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.


What matters is that Petraeus cared.
 
2012-11-19 06:27:20 PM  

Freakman: unlikely: I'm still fuzzy why we care who he put his penis into.

You cannot retain a security clearance if you commit adultery. If you do not have a security clearance, you cannot be in the CIA, let alone its Director.


Untrue. The organizations that grant security clearances don't (for the most part) care about your adultery. They DO care if you don't mention it in your security paperwork. It may raise your risk level a bit, but you're not losing a clearance over an admitted affair.
 
2012-11-19 07:05:03 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: beta_plus: Nothing a FarkLib loves more than celebrating the death of Navy SEALs.

Not true. What I love most is when a dead SEAL's wife breaks the news to his son that daddy's never coming home.

Christ, I'm getting a hard on just thinking about it.


Don't forget the family dog, who will never understand why their best friend and master isn't home yet, and spends each day thinking that maybe, just maybe, today will be the day he shows up.
 
2012-11-19 08:03:57 PM  

Teufelaffe: Don't forget the family dog, who will never understand why their best friend and master isn't home yet, and spends each day thinking that maybe, just maybe, today will be the day he shows up.


That might be the most depressing single sentence I have ever read.
 
2012-11-19 08:17:32 PM  
Big farking deal. You're going to be pushed around in the name of the law, you get a lawyer, regardless of how innocent you are.

Just as an experiment, we should arrest subby for something he didn't do and show legitimate proof across the country that makes it look like he did it and see how long until his ignorant ass lawyers up.
 
2012-11-19 08:50:37 PM  
One day, when I have a position of power (God for forbid) I will have an affair too - my girlfriend would understand of course - and I will also testify in opposition to the Obama regime. We did something stupid, had a pathetic coverup, and that's that. I would never vote for Romney but the administration lied - might as well said they had WMDs.
 
2012-11-19 09:01:37 PM  
Submitter's other handle must be WonderBread. Dude (or chick): always retain an attorney.
 
2012-11-20 05:10:19 AM  

ElPollotonto: One day, when I have a position of power (God for forbid) I will have an affair too - my girlfriend would understand of course - and I will also testify in opposition to the Obama regime. We did something stupid, had a pathetic coverup, and that's that. I would never vote for Romney but the administration lied - might as well said they had WMDs.


I really must try these drugs you guys are taking.
 
2012-11-20 09:08:42 AM  
In America, if you are innocent, you lawyer up twice as early and twice as much. If you want to live.
 
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