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2012-11-19 01:32:04 PM

keithgabryelski: sweet jesus that was a painful read -- I got to his complaints about Clay Aiken calling him condescending and had to quit


That was exactly where I quit, too. I've read better rants on Fark. That man cannot write.
 
2012-11-19 01:59:00 PM
Well he was obviously getting paid by the word for that one.
 
2012-11-19 02:29:05 PM
I thought the article was interesting and I didn't have any trouble reading it at all. And as far as I'm concerned, the man should be given a knighthood for this observation:

I sat there for hours half listening to Donald carry on, it struck me exactly what his hair looked like. It looks like cotton candy made of piss.
 
2012-11-19 02:53:02 PM

Mad Scientist: Didn't Trump's Vegas steakhouse get closed down this past weekend for health law violations?

Just asking questions...

/I agree with Jillette about reality shows being a sign that the end is near for TV.

//If you watch a reality show, kill yourself.


Yes, TV is dead. There certainly aren't some of the most compelling, interesting , and well acted shows in its history on right now. We aren't seeing movie actors heading back to television to get better roles.

(Rolls eyes)

If you're stupid enough to watch shiat like Celebrity Apprentice, the end is probably near. But to castigate all shows for the failings of reality tv is equally stupid.

/and Penn is part of the problem. Tell your massive ego to say no when the next Celebrity reality show comes along. You're as much of a whore as the rest of them.
 
2012-11-19 03:08:56 PM

thecpt: It reads like a monologue from Bullshiat! and I like it. Admitting that his hair is worse than Trump's is pretty hilariously fair.


This. Penn may be an asshole, even admits as much, but he never claimed to be a great writer. It all comes off as a monologue from his show, and that's a good thing, it's a sign of not taking it too seriously(which people apparently miss, obvlivious as they are). He's not as much of a magician as a comedian, and the time on the BS show, a comedian more like George Carlin than Jeff Dunham.

In fact, much of his show was about how people ARE allowed opinions, but that opinions are not fact.

Apparently, a lot of people don't get that. I see a lot of sour grapes in this thread, he must have debunked some of their aweful lifestyle or career or something.

Seriously, he's debunked things like people who make a career out of talking to the dead, regressing your memories so that you remember the alien abduction, etc. How is it that supposedly rational people hate him?

Meh, I blame the modern concept of "If I don't like you or offended by you, you're less than human and are a terrible person" that goes around. They even covered it in one of their BS shows about bad language. Humbug! indeed.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:03 PM

bhcompy: Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.

Penn isn't so much an attention whore as a money whore. If it means he'll make more money, he'll do it. He is an anachro-capitalist, after all.

snowshovel: As far as the whole complaint of "he's hates the shows, but he'll still go on them," unless you are someone like Tom Hanks, if you are a Hollywood performer, the mantra in Hollywood is "there are no bad paying jobs," and as long as it fits in your schedule, you do it.

And this. Ben Kingsley didn't do a Uwe Boll movie because he wanted to win an award, he did it because Boll promised him 2 weeks of work inbetween award-bait movies and a nice paycheck.


Fair enough. Honestly, I've never even seen the show. So, I can't say whether Penn is funny on the show or not. I'd like to hope he is, because even though he is an asshole, he's a smart asshole.
 
2012-11-19 03:50:17 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Henry Rollins does the same thing- he sucks cock all day long playing pretend and then can't talk enough trash about everyone he worked with while cashing his huge paychecks. haha, sure it was an EXPERIMENT there but hey, whatever helps him keep his cred, right?


I've said this in threads before, but I use to think Rollins was cool. Some Youtube videos I have seen, show me he is a complete arrogant dickhole. No longer a fan at all.
 
2012-11-19 03:53:19 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: keithgabryelski: sweet jesus that was a painful read -- I got to his complaints about Clay Aiken calling him condescending and had to quit

I got to ego depletion and decided I had better things to do.

Penn has a point, of course, but he can't write for shiat.


I thought his book on Atheism was a nice read.
 
2012-11-19 03:55:41 PM

omeganuepsilon: In fact, much of his show was about how people ARE allowed opinions, but that opinions are not fact.


Except that when called out on something in his show not being factual (or, at least, stupidly manipulative: "Let's ask experts on one side of the topic, and stoned college kids for the others side!"), I believe he said it was for entertainment purposes? I'll go see if I can find it.
 
2012-11-19 04:09:39 PM

cryinoutloud: snowshovel: As far as the whole complaint of "he's hates the shows, but he'll still go on them," unless you are someone like Tom Hanks, if you are a Hollywood performer, the mantra in Hollywood is "there are no bad paying jobs," and as long as it fits in your schedule, you do it.

Not buying it. Brad Pitt making that Chanel commercial is a "bad paying job." Hollywood hangers-on appearing on whatever reality show will take them is low-rent whoring. It does nothing for their reputation, and cheapens them to anyone who might have taken them seriously. The only way it's not the worst job around is for those people whose life aspirations only go as high as getting on a reality show. For anyone else, it's a downfall.

And people almost committed harikiri because Pitt was in a TV commercial too, even though he was paid millions for that drivel.


A-List celebrities have been doing commercials in Japan for years. Unlike in the US, there isn't a stigma attached to doing commercials. It's a quick way to make a couple hundred thousand, and an excuse to go visit Japan. Nowadays, more big-name stars are doing commercials in America, like Julia Roberts and Charlize Theron.
 
2012-11-19 04:16:27 PM

LonMead: "Penn Jillette's secrets of "Celebrity Apprentice": Donald Trump is a whackjob"

And...?


Amusingly enough, Penn Jillette is also a complete wackjob.
 
2012-11-19 04:21:49 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: A-List celebrities have been doing commercials in Japan for years. Unlike in the US, there isn't a stigma attached to doing commercials. It's a quick way to make a couple hundred thousand, and an excuse to go visit Japan. Nowadays, more big-name stars are doing commercials in America, like Julia Roberts and Charlize Theron.


Frequently, they're doing these commercials because the advertiser is contributing large sums to the celebrity's charity of choice. It's an easy and tax-free way for a celeb to raise money.

/Ellen DeGeneres is a genius as this.
 
2012-11-19 04:23:38 PM

Dwight_Yeast: LonMead: "Penn Jillette's secrets of "Celebrity Apprentice": Donald Trump is a whackjob"

And...?

Amusingly enough, Penn Jillette is also a complete wackjob.


No kidding. I also listen to his podcast. As noted above, it's only about 1/3 listenable. He has some interesting stories, sure, and a lot of fun guests (the recent appearances by George Takei and Billy West were good stuff) but a lot of it is his pompous bleating about being an atheist, name-dropping and generally stories about how great it is to be Penn Jillette.

And while he puts in his fair share of minutes on self-depreciation, it comes off as particularly disingenuous when he spends the rest of the time talking about how awesome his life is.
 
2012-11-19 04:25:40 PM

omeganuepsilon: He's not as much of a magician as a comedian, and the time on the BS show, a comedian more like George Carlin than Jeff Dunham.



The difference being George Carlin was funny and could actually write.
 
2012-11-19 04:28:16 PM

Dwight_Yeast: LonMead: "Penn Jillette's secrets of "Celebrity Apprentice": Donald Trump is a whackjob"

And...?

Amusingly enough, Penn Jillette is also a complete wackjob.


Never got that impression. I always thought of him more as a verbose guy who is always kind of "in character", but that character is based on himself... a guy with really strange tastes and stranger friends who has the means to sustain his strange lifestyle. I've heard him tell crazy carnie stories on nerdist.... and what happens when a carnie makes a ton of money? You get Penn Jillette. I still think he's entertaining, though.
 
2012-11-19 04:31:51 PM
I find it strange that everyone is attacking his writing skills. Look, just read it in his voice and cadence. He writes like he's talking, hell, he probably is talking while he writes because he does like to hear himself be awesome. Pretty easy.
 
2012-11-19 04:36:18 PM

Six_By_Nine: And while he puts in his fair share of minutes on self-depreciation, it comes off as particularly disingenuous when he spends the rest of the time talking about how awesome his life is.


You can be self-depricating and still talk about what an awesome life you have. They're not mutually exclusive.

Example: I'm one ugly son of a biatch but I have a sweet job.
 
2012-11-19 04:40:08 PM
Literally a cut and paste of the article's headline.

And yet it gets a green.
 
2012-11-19 04:52:21 PM
It figures that Annie Duke (one of the biggest frauds to walk the earth) is the one person who could summize what Celebrity Apprentice is all about.

/where's the Epic Poker Tour money Annie?
 
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2012-11-19 04:55:08 PM
I like Penn Jillette. I don't care if he is a jerk. I am not friends with him. I like his magic tricks and am entertained by his Bullshiat! show. Everything else doesn't matter to me.
 
2012-11-19 04:56:31 PM
Penn has mentioned a ton of times that he does reality shows only to promote his Vegas show (and in some cases charity work). If Penn and Teller never did the multitude of shows from Home Improvement to Celebrity Apprentice then they would of faded away and would be playing at some VFW hall right now. It's a great way to promote themselves. The fact that Penn has stated he doesn't take it seriously should show how much he could care about doing these shows for any other reason. He knows they are fake and he knows they are just BS. Read his rant about when he got booted from DWTS.
 
2012-11-19 05:03:57 PM
Donald Trump being a whackjob is not a secret, it's a very important feature of the show.
 
2012-11-19 05:12:47 PM

omeganuepsilon: thecpt: It reads like a monologue from Bullshiat! and I like it. Admitting that his hair is worse than Trump's is pretty hilariously fair.

This. Penn may be an asshole, even admits as much, but he never claimed to be a great writer. It all comes off as a monologue from his show, and that's a good thing, it's a sign of not taking it too seriously(which people apparently miss, obvlivious as they are). He's not as much of a magician as a comedian, and the time on the BS show, a comedian more like George Carlin than Jeff Dunham.

In fact, much of his show was about how people ARE allowed opinions, but that opinions are not fact.

Apparently, a lot of people don't get that. I see a lot of sour grapes in this thread, he must have debunked some of their aweful lifestyle or career or something.

Seriously, he's debunked things like people who make a career out of talking to the dead, regressing your memories so that you remember the alien abduction, etc. How is it that supposedly rational people hate him?

Meh, I blame the modern concept of "If I don't like you or offended by you, you're less than human and are a terrible person" that goes around. They even covered it in one of their BS shows about bad language. Humbug! indeed.


The real problem is that most people see a celebrity on stage or in a show hundreds if not thousands of times, so they build up this mental image from that performance, and all shows are performances. So, that when they meet the guy or gal in person and find out they are human and an asshole, yes everybody is an asshole about something, they are offended. I think it is because once you find out what somebody is really like you can no longer get that image out of your head and are forever disappointed in their performances.

Which has led me to never ever wanting to meet or hang out with or hell even talk to any celebrity whose body of work I like. Hell just recently I've become seriously disappointed with MeatLoaf, because of two incidences. The first is he went on Ghost Hunter as a celeb guest. The second he endorsed Mitt Romney for president, these two incidents separately are disappointing, together they form a picture of a delusion fat retard. Which is sad, because Micheal Aday the person colors my enjoyment of MeatLoaf's performances.
 
2012-11-19 05:40:44 PM
NEXT: Penn Jillette tells us who is buried in Grant's Tomb.
 
2012-11-19 05:46:31 PM
All I got out of the article was one millionaire was biatching about other millionaires.

/ Go fark a goat.
 
2012-11-19 06:21:22 PM

Felgraf: omeganuepsilon: In fact, much of his show was about how people ARE allowed opinions, but that opinions are not fact.

Except that when called out on something in his show not being factual (or, at least, stupidly manipulative: "Let's ask experts on one side of the topic, and stoned college kids for the others side!"), I believe he said it was for entertainment purposes? I'll go see if I can find it.


I remember the episode about global warming was hilariously obvious in it's manipulation and cherry picking. It was even funnier when during a Q&A later on Penn admitted that he didn't know if it was true or not. Bullsh*t can be funny and even informative, but hitting the Googles during or after the show is recomended.
 
2012-11-19 06:37:23 PM
I love Penn but honestly, his artistic output is about 70/30.

40 percent Solid Gold
60 percent WTF am I reading/listening to/watching?
 
2012-11-19 06:38:06 PM
Ironic WTF Edit

I love Penn but honestly, his artistic output is about 60/40.

40 percent Solid Gold
60 percent WTF am I reading/listening to/watching?
 
2012-11-19 07:27:54 PM
fu(k Penn Gillette, the oversized big mouth goof jackass. i grew tried of that blowhard a long time ago. if he ever decides to have his silent man-boy sidekick come out of the closet and admit the truth maybe i'll have ten cents of respect for him. until then that Herman Munster sized know it all can die.

/spell it with a 'G' just to piss him off
 
2012-11-19 08:00:25 PM
He should stick to his single cup and Balls trick

i863.photobucket.com

/You've seen it, you can't un-see it.
//Kiwis in a hanky would be my guess
 
2012-11-19 08:02:47 PM

Slaves2Darkness: The real problem is that most people see a celebrity on stage or in a show hundreds if not thousands of times, so they build up this mental image from that performance, and all shows are performances.


Exactly this.

Flappyhead: Felgraf: omeganuepsilon: In fact, much of his show was about how people ARE allowed opinions, but that opinions are not fact.

Except that when called out on something in his show not being factual (or, at least, stupidly manipulative: "Let's ask experts on one side of the topic, and stoned college kids for the others side!"), I believe he said it was for entertainment purposes? I'll go see if I can find it.

I remember the episode about global warming was hilariously obvious in it's manipulation and cherry picking. It was even funnier when during a Q&A later on Penn admitted that he didn't know if it was true or not. Bullsh*t can be funny and even informative, but hitting the Googles during or after the show is recomended.


Certainly. The show didn't quite mean that Global Warming is BS, but that much of what we hear about it is. That is the show's saving grace in my opinion. They're fairly agnostic about a lot of things, but it doesn't convey that way to the simple. In reality they're debunking their guests, or popular arguments. A subsection on one of those shows was about paper recycling, and was fairly accurate. It's a renewable resource, and much recycling is actually harder on the environment and more expensive(monetarily and energy consuming) than planned harvesting and re-planting. Similar to the gold in all of our PC's and digital devices. Yeah, you can get it out, at the cost of quite a bit of pollution of hazardous fumes and energy.

Accurate enough, many of their guests are a good sampling of a large part of any movement they took issue with.

To paraphrase Farscape.
Religions are fine, they're grand lofty ideals. Now, religious followers....

Odds are pretty damn good that if someone takes offense at Bullshiat!, they are more akin to the party that was mocked on the show than they would like to admit.
Any respectable people of an opposing view would be, "Yeah, those members of ours are quite out there, they give the movement a bad name." and then go on to rational discussion of why parts of their views are rational.

That doesn't happen very often.Yes, they trolled the masses and cherry picked, but almost always acceded the grander points as debatable, but their "guests"... they are reliably a bunch of farking nutjobs.

Vaccines, violence in video games, (and what I mentioned above) etc. You really can't argue that a large portion of their show's had a credible opposing view at all, and therefore could NOT interview the backing scientists and such. The few that did, proper "we could be wrong" statements were usually issued. You'd have to dig for specifics, in a show that ran what, 22 episodes or so for 8 years. Hardly a sample representative of the quality of their work.
It wasn't a pbs documentary, it was a mocumentary with jokes and lots of tits. Taking it too seriously is a sign of guilt, imo.

Not even jokes really, more of a playing with language. Same way many people post on fark. Many of us tend to have fun with it, partly for our own entertainment, and if someone else takes something away from that, great. If not, and people take issue with it, they can go fark themselves. We're not here explicitly for their pleasure any more than they're here for ours.
 
2012-11-19 08:15:51 PM

TwistedFark: Lyonid: Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.

FTA:

"We celebrities are desperate pigs."

"Greed and clawing for fame got me to the point..."

"Like all desperate celebrities, I've been on more than one reality show."

I mean, I guess it's sad that that's his attitude, but I didn't come away with the impression that he was portraying himself as above it all... quite the opposite.

Anyway, I generally find him entertaining. Since pre-recorded entertainment is the closes I'll ever be to interacting with him, that's enough for me.

I actually caught a piece of pie and a coffee with him and Teller after one of their shows at the Rio a few years back. Teller is really sweet and funny.

/Penn is obnoxious.


+1
Met Teller, spent too much time talking to him and missed out on getting Penn's autograph. So Teller forged it for me.
 
2012-11-19 08:41:00 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Henry Rollins does the same thing- he sucks cock all day long playing pretend and then can't talk enough trash about everyone he worked with while cashing his huge paychecks. haha, sure it was an EXPERIMENT there but hey, whatever helps him keep his cred, right?


That's a good song.
 
2012-11-19 08:57:15 PM

Mad Scientist: Didn't Trump's Vegas steakhouse get closed down this past weekend for health law violations?

Just asking questions...

/I agree with Jillette about reality shows being a sign that the end is near for TV.

//If you watch a reality show, kill yourself.


Does Dirty Jobs count? I was hoping to not have to kill myself (yet)
 
2012-11-19 09:07:40 PM
Seeing Penn & Teller here in Topeka was my first introduction to the rule of Famous Performers in Topeka :

"First Joke - make fun of Fred Phelps".
 
2012-11-19 09:23:51 PM

BSABSVR: The only good takeaway from that is his description of Trumps hair. Otherwise that was pretty schizophrenic. It's like he was going to write something slamming Trump and the show, and it got hacked to death by attorneys


What I got from it is that Penn almost kinda feels sorry for Trump. You have a guy here surrounded by money, or at least surrounded by the illusion of money, its trappings, the nice suits and the gold leaf and the tall buildings and major businesses being dealt with every week... and despite all that, you have a man constantly straining to justify himself to anyone he can get to listen, worrying about every random person on the Internet with an opinion about him and hoping he can do something to make people like him. Respect him. Remember him. Remember after he dies that he was here. And when the Tea Party decided that they liked him, he went with it.
 
2012-11-19 09:26:29 PM
But yeah. Penn, your writing wasn't so much with the good.
 
2012-11-19 10:07:04 PM
I learned something from this article: Penn Jillette is a terrible farking writer.

It's all rambly and repetitive with short, staccato sentences that don't complete whatever point he think he is making.

Wow.
 
2012-11-20 12:11:57 AM

Ishkur: whatever point he think


That's nice.

Gosling: and despite all that, you have a man constantly straining to justify himself to anyone he can get to listen


Bingo.

IMO, a lot of people have a hard time getting Penn because he speaks from the heart in a way, and america's dead inside unwashed masses just cannot identify.
 
2012-11-20 12:47:59 AM

omeganuepsilon: Seriously, he's debunked things like people who make a career out of talking to the dead, regressing your memories so that you remember the alien abduction, etc. How is it that supposedly rational people hate him?


You cannot be this farking stupid. Being right about something =/= likeable.
 
2012-11-20 02:01:24 AM

unitednihilists: sonofASDF: Inside mechanics of these kind of shows... 1 & 2

Here is the condensed version. Link


Awesome... Every time Mrs JustHereForThePics watches Chasing American Pawn Pick Restoration Kount Cars, I SCREAM at the TV "...and yet he just HAPPENS to be mic'd up, with a two-shot camera crew watching the van pull up!"

//I don't know how she lives with me
 
2012-11-20 02:13:28 AM

albuquerquehalsey: omeganuepsilon: Seriously, he's debunked things like people who make a career out of talking to the dead, regressing your memories so that you remember the alien abduction, etc. How is it that supposedly rational people hate him?

You cannot be this farking stupid. Being right about something =/= likeable.


You, apparently, can be that farking stupid.

Who said anything about liking him?

Not hate =/= likeable

There is a middle ground there of grudging respect, totally irrelevant as to one's tastes. He's done a lot of good work, entertained and somewhat educated a lot of people, etc. It's not like he's a child rapist here.

That's what I don't get, the hate. Did he directly piss in your cheerios? No? He's a little off putting, sure, many assholes are as such, but to spew vehement hatred to people that you don't even really know, that's a bit on the irrational side.
 
2012-11-20 08:41:51 AM
I wonder what makes someone think that because he can pull a quarter out of your ear (or play guitar really well, for that matter) that we want to know what he thinks about everything else.
 
2012-11-20 09:13:58 AM

Crewmannumber6: I wonder what makes someone think that because he can pull a quarter out of your ear (or play guitar really well, for that matter) that we want to know what he thinks about everything else.


It's called "sitting above the salt." It refers to shift where entertainers went from being servants long ago to being highly paid (the known ones) professionals. Part of that was they spoke openly about the opinions that inform their art. This is somewhat related to the idea of the ancient court jester being the one who could tell the king the truth, except now the "people" matter more than kings.

Couple that with our insatiable need to be entertained and the blurring of entertainment and information.

/Your failure to think about something is not a reason to whine about it.
 
2012-11-20 10:00:49 AM

gshepnyc: Crewmannumber6: I wonder what makes someone think that because he can pull a quarter out of your ear (or play guitar really well, for that matter) that we want to know what he thinks about everything else.

It's called "sitting above the salt." It refers to shift where entertainers went from being servants long ago to being highly paid (the known ones) professionals. Part of that was they spoke openly about the opinions that inform their art. This is somewhat related to the idea of the ancient court jester being the one who could tell the king the truth, except now the "people" matter more than kings.

Couple that with our insatiable need to be entertained and the blurring of entertainment and information.

/Your failure to think about something is not a reason to whine about it.


As long as I have you to explain things to me using small words, i know I'll be alright.
 
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