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(Salon)   Penn Jillette's secrets of "Celebrity Apprentice": Donald Trump is a whackjob   (salon.com) divider line 95
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2012-11-19 12:56:19 AM
sweet jesus that was a painful read -- I got to his complaints about Clay Aiken calling him condescending and had to quit
 
2012-11-19 01:12:37 AM

keithgabryelski: sweet jesus that was a painful read -- I got to his complaints about Clay Aiken calling him condescending and had to quit


agreed, my brain went number after his second paragraph about Clay Aiken.
 
2012-11-19 01:31:07 AM
The only good takeaway from that is his description of Trumps hair. Otherwise that was pretty schizophrenic. It's like he was going to write something slamming Trump and the show, and it got hacked to death by attorneys
 
2012-11-19 01:37:14 AM
"cotton candy piss hair"

LMAO
 
2012-11-19 01:37:59 AM

BSABSVR: It's like he was going to write something slamming Trump and the show, and it got hacked to death by attorneys


When you go on one of those shows you have to sign an NDA. I'm surprised he told out as much as he did.
 
2012-11-19 06:27:01 AM
"Penn Jillette's secrets of "Celebrity Apprentice": Donald Trump is a whackjob"

And...?
 
2012-11-19 06:36:47 AM
Henry Rollins does the same thing- he sucks cock all day long playing pretend and then can't talk enough trash about everyone he worked with while cashing his huge paychecks. haha, sure it was an EXPERIMENT there but hey, whatever helps him keep his cred, right?
 
2012-11-19 06:44:52 AM

keithgabryelski: sweet jesus that was a painful read -- I got to his complaints about Clay Aiken calling him condescending and had to quit


I got to ego depletion and decided I had better things to do.

Penn has a point, of course, but he can't write for shiat.
 
2012-11-19 06:48:51 AM

LonMead: "Penn Jillette's secrets of "Celebrity Apprentice": Donald Trump is a whackjob"

And...?


Yeah seriously- that's not a secret.
 
2012-11-19 06:50:09 AM
Penn hated it so much that he is going to be on the next season of "All-Stars." What a ridiculous attention whore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_%28U.S._season_13%29
 
2012-11-19 07:04:23 AM
I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.
 
2012-11-19 07:31:55 AM

Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.


FTA:

"We celebrities are desperate pigs."

"Greed and clawing for fame got me to the point..."

"Like all desperate celebrities, I've been on more than one reality show."

I mean, I guess it's sad that that's his attitude, but I didn't come away with the impression that he was portraying himself as above it all... quite the opposite.

Anyway, I generally find him entertaining. Since pre-recorded entertainment is the closes I'll ever be to interacting with him, that's enough for me.
 
2012-11-19 07:38:07 AM

Lyonid: Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.

FTA:

"We celebrities are desperate pigs."

"Greed and clawing for fame got me to the point..."

"Like all desperate celebrities, I've been on more than one reality show."

I mean, I guess it's sad that that's his attitude, but I didn't come away with the impression that he was portraying himself as above it all... quite the opposite.

Anyway, I generally find him entertaining. Since pre-recorded entertainment is the closes I'll ever be to interacting with him, that's enough for me.


I actually caught a piece of pie and a coffee with him and Teller after one of their shows at the Rio a few years back. Teller is really sweet and funny.

/Penn is obnoxious.
 
2012-11-19 07:40:29 AM

ManateeGag: keithgabryelski: sweet jesus that was a painful read -- I got to his complaints about Clay Aiken calling him condescending and had to quit

agreed, my brain went number after his second paragraph about Clay Aiken.


That's exactly where I dropped out. He should get a new editor.
 
2012-11-19 07:46:29 AM

Lyonid: Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.

FTA:

"We celebrities are desperate pigs."

"Greed and clawing for fame got me to the point..."

"Like all desperate celebrities, I've been on more than one reality show."

I mean, I guess it's sad that that's his attitude, but I didn't come away with the impression that he was portraying himself as above it all... quite the opposite.

Anyway, I generally find him entertaining. Since pre-recorded entertainment is the closes I'll ever be to interacting with him, that's enough for me.


Yet, he keeps going on these crappy reality shows despite his supposed revulsion at them. Figure that one out, Dr. Freud.
 
2012-11-19 07:52:41 AM

keithgabryelski: sweet jesus that was a painful read -- I got to his complaints about Clay Aiken calling him condescending and had to quit


Thought I was the only one.
 
2012-11-19 08:03:08 AM

Close2TheEdge: Lyonid: Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.

FTA:

"We celebrities are desperate pigs."

"Greed and clawing for fame got me to the point..."

"Like all desperate celebrities, I've been on more than one reality show."

I mean, I guess it's sad that that's his attitude, but I didn't come away with the impression that he was portraying himself as above it all... quite the opposite.

Anyway, I generally find him entertaining. Since pre-recorded entertainment is the closes I'll ever be to interacting with him, that's enough for me.

Yet, he keeps going on these crappy reality shows despite his supposed revulsion at them. Figure that one out, Dr. Freud.


Gee... let me do some intense research. I'll start by reading the three quotes I posted from the article.

Ok, all done.
 
2012-11-19 08:24:52 AM
Horrible writing aside, I thought it was interesting. Unlike most reality shows that are stocked with Baristas trying to get a break into Hollywood and Bristol Palin types trying to extend their 15 minutes of fame , it's sort of an interesting take about being on a reality show where everyone has had a lot of experience being in front of a camera for many hours a day....and why they still come of as yelling jerks. 

As far as the whole complaint of "he's hates the shows, but he'll still go on them," unless you are someone like Tom Hanks, if you are a Hollywood performer, the mantra in Hollywood is "there are no bad paying jobs," and as long as it fits in your schedule, you do it.
 
2012-11-19 08:29:31 AM
Inside mechanics of these kind of shows... 1 & 2
 
2012-11-19 08:35:04 AM

TheSelphie: Penn hated it so much that he is going to be on the next season of "All-Stars." What a ridiculous attention whore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_%28U.S._season_13%29


I am sure on the premier their will have some little chat where Trump calls him up to his office, pulls out a copy of Penn's book and says 'You know Penn, you said some not so nice things about me. That hurt and I wasn't sure about having someone on here with so little respect. Do you want to say anything about that?' Penn will reply with some jokes about bad hair and how his is too. Trump will say he has no problem being the bigger person and that will be the end of it. They will play up this big confrontation in all the trailers and portray Penn as the rogue player who is going to call all the other celebrities out on their shiat.

//that entire section of the book was probably cowritten by Penn's pr guys and Trump's pr guys.
 
2012-11-19 08:35:26 AM
I made it through the first sentence of the second paragraph. That man's writing is horrifyingly bad.
 
2012-11-19 08:39:40 AM
Penn & Teller was one of the best live performances I've ever seen. That being said, Penn is almost as much as a whackjob as Trump.
 
2012-11-19 09:03:53 AM
I've always liked Penn. He's usually the first to admit that he's a pompous prick.

I did laugh at the line about Trump's HairTM looking like cotton candy made of piss though.
 
2012-11-19 09:12:20 AM

PirateKing: I've always liked Penn. He's usually the first to admit that he's a pompous prick.


I was at a show early in Penn & Teller's career, and Penn introduced them as,"I'm Penn, the obnoxious jerk, and this is Teller, whom I pay to put up with me."
 
2012-11-19 09:14:29 AM
Penn comes off not only as a bad writer, but being as bad as the subject matter he writes about. I've enjoyed Teller over the years, but this just pretty much just confirms my opinion about Penn.
 
2012-11-19 09:24:37 AM
When anyone watches anyone do anything, the watched people do whatever they're being watched doing a little better for the short time while they're being watched.

That's an awkward way to word that.

/Go be fat and do magic tricks,stop trying to write.
 
2012-11-19 09:29:49 AM
It reads like a monologue from Bullshiat! and I like it. Admitting that his hair is worse than Trump's is pretty hilariously fair.
 
2012-11-19 09:46:48 AM
fta I made a deal with the producers and myself that I would pretend to care what Donald Trump thought of me.

That is all you need to know.
 
2012-11-19 09:50:46 AM
Love Penn. Love his books. Love his O&A appearances.
 
2012-11-19 09:56:02 AM

sonofASDF: Inside mechanics of these kind of shows... 1 & 2


Here is the condensed version. Link
 
2012-11-19 10:12:11 AM

NickelP: TheSelphie: Penn hated it so much that he is going to be on the next season of "All-Stars." What a ridiculous attention whore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_%28U.S._season_13%29

I am sure on the premier their will have some little chat where Trump calls him up to his office, pulls out a copy of Penn's book and says 'You know Penn, you said some not so nice things about me. That hurt and I wasn't sure about having someone on here with so little respect. Do you want to say anything about that?' Penn will reply with some jokes about bad hair and how his is too. Trump will say he has no problem being the bigger person and that will be the end of it. They will play up this big confrontation in all the trailers and portray Penn as the rogue player who is going to call all the other celebrities out on their shiat.

//that entire section of the book was probably cowritten by Penn's pr guys and Trump's pr guys.


I really like him and his work but... id never think he would still be biatching about this show
 
2012-11-19 10:14:30 AM

Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.


Penn isn't so much an attention whore as a money whore. If it means he'll make more money, he'll do it. He is an anachro-capitalist, after all.

snowshovel: As far as the whole complaint of "he's hates the shows, but he'll still go on them," unless you are someone like Tom Hanks, if you are a Hollywood performer, the mantra in Hollywood is "there are no bad paying jobs," and as long as it fits in your schedule, you do it.


And this. Ben Kingsley didn't do a Uwe Boll movie because he wanted to win an award, he did it because Boll promised him 2 weeks of work inbetween award-bait movies and a nice paycheck.
 
2012-11-19 10:18:05 AM

TwistedFark: Lyonid: Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.

FTA:

"We celebrities are desperate pigs."

"Greed and clawing for fame got me to the point..."

"Like all desperate celebrities, I've been on more than one reality show."

I mean, I guess it's sad that that's his attitude, but I didn't come away with the impression that he was portraying himself as above it all... quite the opposite.

Anyway, I generally find him entertaining. Since pre-recorded entertainment is the closes I'll ever be to interacting with him, that's enough for me.

I actually caught a piece of pie and a coffee with him and Teller after one of their shows at the Rio a few years back. Teller is really sweet and funny.

/Penn is obnoxious.


I can second this. I've interacted with both of them. Teller is great to be around. Penn is a rude dickhole and is sort of proud of that fact.
 
2012-11-19 10:33:44 AM
As someone who enjoys his POV on his Showtime and stage shows, I also found his podcasts to be virtually incoherent. He does much better with an editing party who can trim the fat off the narrative and reign in the hyperbole.
 
2012-11-19 10:41:12 AM

Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.


she also has a much hotter body
 
2012-11-19 10:42:23 AM

Waldo Pepper: Close2TheEdge: I like Penn. I really do. But, that was sad. It's tragic to know that he is not that much different from Bristol Palin. Both are attention whore "celebrities." The difference is that Bristol is sincerely, genuinely vacuous, while Penn tries to pretend that he is above it all.

she also has a much hotter body


Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but Bristol is faring well having had 2 kids so early in her life.
 
2012-11-19 10:44:32 AM
So Penn Jillette can't write. Got it.
 
2012-11-19 11:08:09 AM

snowshovel: As far as the whole complaint of "he's hates the shows, but he'll still go on them," unless you are someone like Tom Hanks, if you are a Hollywood performer, the mantra in Hollywood is "there are no bad paying jobs," and as long as it fits in your schedule, you do it.


Not buying it. Brad Pitt making that Chanel commercial is a "bad paying job." Hollywood hangers-on appearing on whatever reality show will take them is low-rent whoring. It does nothing for their reputation, and cheapens them to anyone who might have taken them seriously. The only way it's not the worst job around is for those people whose life aspirations only go as high as getting on a reality show. For anyone else, it's a downfall.

And people almost committed harikiri because Pitt was in a TV commercial too, even though he was paid millions for that drivel.
 
2012-11-19 11:11:06 AM
Adam Carolla pretty well dissected the show after he got booted. not as in how bad it was / "i got kicked off, here's sour grapes", but just how manufactured and "cooked" it was. (i know, news flash).

like he mentioned how on some presentation for the contest, he did like, 10 minutes of standup on some car, and the audience loved it. Arsenio and Jillette both agreed. But, the way it was cut, they made it look like the audience wasn't laughing, and Pauly apparently said something like, "get off the mic" and they cut to commercial. so Adam's thing is like, "in real life, I killed, the room was exploding with laughter, but they chopped it up into a 30 second clip that was completely manipulated to tell a false narrative."

so who cares.
 
2012-11-19 11:19:15 AM

rickythepenguin: Adam Carolla pretty well dissected the show after he got booted. not as in how bad it was / "i got kicked off, here's sour grapes", but just how manufactured and "cooked" it was. (i know, news flash).

like he mentioned how on some presentation for the contest, he did like, 10 minutes of standup on some car, and the audience loved it. Arsenio and Jillette both agreed. But, the way it was cut, they made it look like the audience wasn't laughing, and Pauly apparently said something like, "get off the mic" and they cut to commercial. so Adam's thing is like, "in real life, I killed, the room was exploding with laughter, but they chopped it up into a 30 second clip that was completely manipulated to tell a false narrative."

so who cares.


That may very well true, but I'll have to take a huge grain of salt before I believe Dr. Drew's sidekick made more than 5 people laugh on any occasion after the year 2000.
 
2012-11-19 11:53:21 AM

Phil Moskowitz: So Penn Jillette can't write. Got it.


Definitely do NOT try to read "Sock". I like Penn (except he yells too much) and he's a great magician, but he cannot write.
 
2012-11-19 12:01:29 PM

natazha: Phil Moskowitz: So Penn Jillette can't write. Got it.

Definitely do NOT try to read "Sock". I like Penn (except he yells too much) and he's a great magician, but he cannot write.


Might be wrong on this but I think I remember him dropping out of highschool. Not saying education is everything and he is fairly smart on a lot of topics, but that may be a good indicator of not being a great writer.
 
2012-11-19 12:09:19 PM

cryinoutloud: snowshovel: As far as the whole complaint of "he's hates the shows, but he'll still go on them," unless you are someone like Tom Hanks, if you are a Hollywood performer, the mantra in Hollywood is "there are no bad paying jobs," and as long as it fits in your schedule, you do it.

Not buying it. Brad Pitt making that Chanel commercial is a "bad paying job." Hollywood hangers-on appearing on whatever reality show will take them is low-rent whoring. It does nothing for their reputation, and cheapens them to anyone who might have taken them seriously. The only way it's not the worst job around is for those people whose life aspirations only go as high as getting on a reality show. For anyone else, it's a downfall.

And people almost committed harikiri because Pitt was in a TV commercial too, even though he was paid millions for that drivel.


Right, but Penn Jillette is a Vegas magician. Just about everything he does is low rent whoring in order to get more people to watch a magic show in Las Vegas.
 
2012-11-19 12:28:10 PM
I listen to his podcast, and recently he banked a bunch of interviews for while he was away doing things. By far the best episodes yet. It's pretty telling when all of your guests are far more interesting than you. (Exception, the Amazing Randi interview, which was mostly Penn fawning over Randi, and Randi telling boring stories about skeptic shiat).
 
2012-11-19 12:40:42 PM
Didn't Trump's Vegas steakhouse get closed down this past weekend for health law violations?

Just asking questions...

/I agree with Jillette about reality shows being a sign that the end is near for TV.

//If you watch a reality show, kill yourself.
 
2012-11-19 12:45:01 PM
Anyone else read that article (as far as they could stand) in their heads in Penn's voice?
 
2012-11-19 12:52:23 PM

pkellmey: Penn comes off not only as a bad writer, but being as bad as the subject matter he writes about. I've enjoyed Teller over the years, but this just pretty much just confirms my opinion about Penn.


Penn Jillette is one of those people who thinks that because he's good at one thing he must be good at all things. Bullshiat! was probably the first place it was really obvious that he's only about half as smart as he seems to think he is and he hasn't really improved since then.
 
2012-11-19 12:53:37 PM

NickelP: natazha: Phil Moskowitz: So Penn Jillette can't write. Got it.

Definitely do NOT try to read "Sock". I like Penn (except he yells too much) and he's a great magician, but he cannot write.

Might be wrong on this but I think I remember him dropping out of highschool. Not saying education is everything and he is fairly smart on a lot of topics, but that may be a good indicator of not being a great writer.


He writes like he talks. Kind of like Rollins.
 
2012-11-19 12:53:50 PM
As much as I like Penn Jillette, it is infinitecimile (sp?) compared to how much Penn Jillette likes Penn Jillette.
 
2012-11-19 01:30:51 PM
Oh god.. This is a wall of text isn't it?

*click*

Yep.. Shocker.. Love that guy for the first 1/3rd of his shtick but holy shiat he talks to farking much.
 
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