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(Boing Boing)   Republican caucus yesterday: "Current copyright law does not merely distort some markets - rather it destroys entire markets." Republican caucus today: "So we spoke to the RIAA and it turns out that memo yesterday was released improperly"   (boingboing.net) divider line 118
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2012-11-19 06:58:05 AM
I guess once they are bought they will stay bought, despite the economic realities that dictate something has to be shifted.
 
2012-11-19 07:05:48 AM
First sane thing the house GOP does in many years and then they retract it. Good going there.
 
2012-11-19 07:06:29 AM
Today's GOP!

www.sp.uconn.edu

/Hot, like that scene in "Team America, World Police"
 
2012-11-19 07:10:05 AM
Or even better :

www.littlekidstuff.com

/An Elephant Never Forgets . . .
//(Who's holding the strings, that is)
 
2012-11-19 07:11:47 AM
Republican caucus yesterday: "Current copyright law does not merely distort some markets - rather it destroys entire markets." Republican caucus today: "So we spoke to the RIAA and it turns out that memo yesterday was released improperly"

The check must have cleared.
 
2012-11-19 07:16:46 AM
Arguing that allowing artists to keep reproducing an 85 year old character idea instead of having them make new ones is "fostering creativity" is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. If you ACTUALLY want to foster creativity, make them be creative or lose to the competition. You know... free market capitalism?
 
2012-11-19 07:17:11 AM

dittybopper: Republican caucus yesterday: "Current copyright law does not merely distort some markets - rather it destroys entire markets." Republican caucus today: "So we spoke to the RIAA and it turns out that memo yesterday was released improperly"

The check must have cleared.


And....we're done here
 
2012-11-19 07:27:40 AM
At some point, two checks from two competing interests must cross a politician's desk. If that's the case, how much of a kickstarter do we need to launch to buy back congress?
 
2012-11-19 07:28:12 AM
Prepare for a few of these in the coming months. They're nothing more than test issue weather balloons.

They can't pull enough voters to replace RIAA lobby donations, so on to the next bad idea.
 
2012-11-19 07:28:47 AM
I've got nothing worth contributing to this thread aside from the obvious: Fark lobbyists.
 
2012-11-19 07:29:55 AM

starsrift: Arguing that allowing artists to keep reproducing an 85 year old character idea instead of having them make new ones is "fostering creativity" is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. If you ACTUALLY want to foster creativity, make them be creative or lose to the competition. You know... free market capitalism?


I'd also like to point out spending your entire life profiting from something your father created only because you can maintain a monopoly on it isn't very bootstrappy. It's like being born on 3rd base and then having the government tie the catcher to the fence.
 
2012-11-19 07:33:28 AM

starsrift: Arguing that allowing artists to keep reproducing an 85 year old character idea instead of having them make new ones is "fostering creativity" is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. If you ACTUALLY want to foster creativity, make them be creative or lose to the competition. You know... free market capitalism?


No artist creates out of a vacuum. The is virtually no art that isn't based on some prior art.
 
Esn
2012-11-19 07:38:49 AM

dittybopper: Republican caucus yesterday: "Current copyright law does not merely distort some markets - rather it destroys entire markets." Republican caucus today: "So we spoke to the RIAA and it turns out that memo yesterday was released improperly"

The check must have cleared.


QFT.

Copyright reform will not start in the USA. It will start in the periphery and spread inwards.
 
2012-11-19 07:38:58 AM

EvilEgg: No artist creates out of a vacuum.


I beg to differ.

farticulate.files.wordpress.com
 
Esn
2012-11-19 07:41:16 AM

EvilEgg: starsrift: Arguing that allowing artists to keep reproducing an 85 year old character idea instead of having them make new ones is "fostering creativity" is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. If you ACTUALLY want to foster creativity, make them be creative or lose to the competition. You know... free market capitalism?

No artist creates out of a vacuum. The is virtually no art that isn't based on some prior art.


Relevant.
 
2012-11-19 07:42:10 AM
"Well, why didn't you just say you were raping the consumer! Man, we were all turned around on this..."
 
2012-11-19 07:42:43 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: EvilEgg: No artist creates out of a vacuum.

I beg to differ.


And if Republicans have their way, any artist in the next hundred years who uses a vacuum in any kind of art project will receive a C&D letter. Or just get fined $125,000 for copyright infringement.
 
2012-11-19 07:44:44 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: EvilEgg: No artist creates out of a vacuum.

I beg to differ.

[farticulate.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]


Modern art sucks
 
2012-11-19 07:46:29 AM
Stings doesn't it? When your run out of the yard, hit the invisible fence, and then the master yanks you back onto the reservation with the choke chain?
 
2012-11-19 07:52:10 AM
[Obvious] tag goes to Washington.

/seriously, if this surprises *anybody*, I have a bridge I'd like to sell them
 
2012-11-19 07:52:40 AM
But the REASON they got their ass handed to them is the election is;

1) The lamestream media
2) The masses are too dumb to grasp their awesomeness
3) libs libs libs

/ Stay classy GOP
 
2012-11-19 07:52:49 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: EvilEgg: No artist creates out of a vacuum.

I beg to differ.

[farticulate.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]

Modern art sucks


It also blows.
 
2012-11-19 07:56:11 AM
This is my utter lack of surprise...
 
2012-11-19 07:57:42 AM
I believe this is called Romnesia!
 
2012-11-19 08:02:10 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: At some point, two checks from two competing interests must cross a politician's desk. If that's the case, how much of a kickstarter do we need to launch to buy back congress?


Enough to outbid the copyright industry AND pay off the NYPD in order to prevent them from ensuring a default victory for the RIAA/MPAA/Disney/etc the same way they helped big banks like Chase defeat OWS.

/'what is this "jurisdiction" nonsense of which you speak?'... is what the NYPD is thinking
 
2012-11-19 08:05:18 AM
 
2012-11-19 08:05:18 AM
Figures. The one thing Republicans have been right about in the last 20 years, and they retract it within 24 hours.

I'm a Democrat on nearly all issues, but I wish the Democratic Party would come out in favor of copyright reform. Unfortunately, it will never happen. Democrats have too many big-money donors in the entertainment industry.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-19 08:18:27 AM
Their CEO puppetmasters got on a conference call and let them have it....
 
2012-11-19 08:19:41 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: EvilEgg: No artist creates out of a vacuum.

I beg to differ.

[farticulate.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]


www.rollingstone.com
 
2012-11-19 08:24:20 AM
GOP: The biggest, loosest, sluttiest corporate whores on the planet.

If corporations where actually people, the GOP would suck off the corporation's knob.
 
2012-11-19 08:30:37 AM
As much as I love a good ol' GOP pile-on, and as lame as it is for them to retract what was a stunningly accurate piece on how broken copyright is, you know that Democrats are so far shoved up the ass of the entertainment industry, that none of them would have the balls to tackle this subject.

/yeah, yeah, I know both sides are bad
//it's really too bad though because this is one subject I think the GOP could get some traction with
 
2012-11-19 08:32:12 AM

WhackingDay: //it's really too bad though because this is one subject I think the GOP could get some traction with


Are you kidding me?
"GOP is killing Mickey Mouse and Superman!!!!"
There goes their base.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-19 08:44:59 AM

starsrift: WhackingDay: //it's really too bad though because this is one subject I think the GOP could get some traction with

Are you kidding me?
"GOP is killing Mickey Mouse and Superman!!!!"
There goes their base.


Yup. Every time that Mickey Mouse is about ready to fall into public domain there is suddenly a bill lengthening copyright. Go look it up... it basically shows you what copyright law is all about now.
 
2012-11-19 08:47:27 AM

BarrRepublican: Prepare for a few of these in the coming months. They're nothing more than test issue weather balloons.

They can't pull enough voters to replace RIAA lobby donations, so on to the next bad idea.


Whether balloons more like.
 
2012-11-19 08:50:20 AM

d23: starsrift: WhackingDay: //it's really too bad though because this is one subject I think the GOP could get some traction with

Are you kidding me?
"GOP is killing Mickey Mouse and Superman!!!!"
There goes their base.

Yup. Every time that Mickey Mouse is about ready to fall into public domain there is suddenly a bill lengthening copyright. Go look it up... it basically shows you what copyright law is all about now.


After reading the article, this is exactly what I thought of. Disney and the Mouse have controlled modern copyright law with an iron grip. As liberal as I am, I have a strong feeling towards the rewriting of copyright law.
 
2012-11-19 08:57:53 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: starsrift: Arguing that allowing artists to keep reproducing an 85 year old character idea instead of having them make new ones is "fostering creativity" is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. If you ACTUALLY want to foster creativity, make them be creative or lose to the competition. You know... free market capitalism?

I'd also like to point out spending your entire life profiting from something your father created only because you can maintain a monopoly on it isn't very bootstrappy. It's like being born on 3rd base and then having the government tie the catcher to the fence.


Profiting from the work of your forefathers has been the custom for millennia. Family business exist for a reason. And taking away a family's business upon the death of the founder is sort of counter productive to the economy.
 
2012-11-19 09:02:50 AM

Pronoun: d23: starsrift: WhackingDay: //it's really too bad though because this is one subject I think the GOP could get some traction with

Are you kidding me?
"GOP is killing Mickey Mouse and Superman!!!!"
There goes their base.

Yup. Every time that Mickey Mouse is about ready to fall into public domain there is suddenly a bill lengthening copyright. Go look it up... it basically shows you what copyright law is all about now.

After reading the article, this is exactly what I thought of. Disney and the Mouse have controlled modern copyright law with an iron grip. As liberal as I am, I have a strong feeling towards the rewriting of copyright law.


Why can't copyright law be closer to something like trademark law? You have to keep using it in order to maintain your rights. Disney spent a lot of money building up the Mickey Mouse image and to have it just taken by anyone...well...this libbrul isn't really keen on that. But look at the movies and music that's basically untouched a few years after it's released. Why can't that be opened up?
 
2012-11-19 09:09:26 AM

enry: Why can't copyright law be closer to something like trademark law? You have to keep using it in order to maintain your rights. Disney spent a lot of money building up the Mickey Mouse image and to have it just taken by anyone...well...this libbrul isn't really keen on that. But look at the movies and music that's basically untouched a few years after it's released. Why can't that be opened up?


Ahhh, but then you start to value the brand instead of the artist. Instead of "Mickey Mouse!" it's "Mickey Mouse by Disney!"
And if someone can outsell a Mickey Mouse thing that beats Disney's, then... Well, that's capitalism, baby.
 
2012-11-19 09:10:08 AM

starsrift: Ahhh, but then you start to value the brand instead of the artist. Instead of "Mickey Mouse!" it's "Mickey Mouse by Disney!"
And if someone can outsell a Mickey Mouse thing that beats Disney's, then... Well, that's capitalism, baby.


FTFM
 
2012-11-19 09:12:33 AM
Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United States Congress:

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

Why doesn't Congress ever consider this when Hollywood and the recording industry want copyright terms extended again and again for their frivolous entertainment? Besides, locking up ideas as property doesn't promote progress, it stifles it. That is exactly what they statement they have now backed away from observed. Locking up ideas as property is just as much a form of censorship as suppressing them.
 
2012-11-19 09:14:37 AM

Chaide: I've got nothing worth contributing to this thread aside from the obvious: Fark lobbyists.


Hmmm, sounds good. We can fund them through a "Fark the Government" SuperPAC.
 
2012-11-19 09:14:48 AM
Most Boomer republitards are actually paleoconservatives and very socially liberal.
 
2012-11-19 09:19:42 AM

T.M.S.: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: starsrift: Arguing that allowing artists to keep reproducing an 85 year old character idea instead of having them make new ones is "fostering creativity" is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. If you ACTUALLY want to foster creativity, make them be creative or lose to the competition. You know... free market capitalism?

I'd also like to point out spending your entire life profiting from something your father created only because you can maintain a monopoly on it isn't very bootstrappy. It's like being born on 3rd base and then having the government tie the catcher to the fence.

Profiting from the work of your forefathers has been the custom for millennia. Family business exist for a reason. And taking away a family's business upon the death of the founder is sort of counter productive to the economy.


That's what Bob Marley's family said. But Universal Music still kept all the money.

Link
 
2012-11-19 09:25:32 AM

starsrift: enry: Why can't copyright law be closer to something like trademark law? You have to keep using it in order to maintain your rights. Disney spent a lot of money building up the Mickey Mouse image and to have it just taken by anyone...well...this libbrul isn't really keen on that. But look at the movies and music that's basically untouched a few years after it's released. Why can't that be opened up?

Ahhh, but then you start to value the brand instead of the artist. Instead of "Mickey Mouse!" it's "Mickey Mouse by Disney!"
And if someone can outsell a Mickey Mouse thing that beats Disney's, then... Well, that's capitalism, baby.


You can't get a trademark (well, you can, but you'll get a C&D) on something that is too similar to an already-existing product. Makes the rules simpler.
 
2012-11-19 09:40:33 AM

Esn: Relevant.


thanks, that was interesting.
 
2012-11-19 09:45:23 AM
Hilarious all the gop hate when the democratic party is 10x worse on copyright and riaa blowing.
 
2012-11-19 09:46:20 AM

T.M.S.: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: starsrift: Arguing that allowing artists to keep reproducing an 85 year old character idea instead of having them make new ones is "fostering creativity" is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. If you ACTUALLY want to foster creativity, make them be creative or lose to the competition. You know... free market capitalism?

I'd also like to point out spending your entire life profiting from something your father created only because you can maintain a monopoly on it isn't very bootstrappy. It's like being born on 3rd base and then having the government tie the catcher to the fence.

Profiting from the work of your forefathers has been the custom for millennia. Family business exist for a reason. And taking away a family's business upon the death of the founder is sort of counter productive to the economy.


Comparing the act of passively receiving benefits for someone else's work to that of running an actual "business" is a bit of a stretch.
 
2012-11-19 09:50:54 AM

Biological Ali: T.M.S.: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: starsrift: Arguing that allowing artists to keep reproducing an 85 year old character idea instead of having them make new ones is "fostering creativity" is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. If you ACTUALLY want to foster creativity, make them be creative or lose to the competition. You know... free market capitalism?

I'd also like to point out spending your entire life profiting from something your father created only because you can maintain a monopoly on it isn't very bootstrappy. It's like being born on 3rd base and then having the government tie the catcher to the fence.

Profiting from the work of your forefathers has been the custom for millennia. Family business exist for a reason. And taking away a family's business upon the death of the founder is sort of counter productive to the economy.

Comparing the act of passively receiving benefits for someone else's work to that of running an actual "business" is a bit of a stretch.


So we should massively raise the estate tax, right? Talk about passively receiving benefits for someone else's hard work.
 
2012-11-19 09:53:01 AM

qorkfiend: So we should massively raise the estate tax, right? Talk about passively receiving benefits for someone else's hard work.


Sure.
 
2012-11-19 09:56:59 AM

MacWizard: T.M.S.: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: starsrift: Arguing that allowing artists to keep reproducing an 85 year old character idea instead of having them make new ones is "fostering creativity" is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. If you ACTUALLY want to foster creativity, make them be creative or lose to the competition. You know... free market capitalism?

I'd also like to point out spending your entire life profiting from something your father created only because you can maintain a monopoly on it isn't very bootstrappy. It's like being born on 3rd base and then having the government tie the catcher to the fence.

Profiting from the work of your forefathers has been the custom for millennia. Family business exist for a reason. And taking away a family's business upon the death of the founder is sort of counter productive to the economy.

That's what Bob Marley's family said. But Universal Music still kept all the money.

Link


Yet the Ford family is doing just fine since Henry died.

About the Marley family? All I can say is when I attended a meeting about turning his catalog into a musical it was Rita that showed up. Not a record company.
 
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