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(Daily Kos)   Kos promises to ban people if they keep up the B.S. claim of Anonymous preventing Rove from stealing the election. Still waiting for right-wing sites to denounce their faithfuls' wacko conspiracy theories   (dailykos.com) divider line 27
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2012-11-19 08:42:12 PM
2 votes:
Where did the media (and Fark headline writers) get the idea that the group which claimed to have hacked Karl Rove's brain is Anonymous? They never claimed that. They have their own name, like, you know, Al Qaeda has its own name. A lot of different groups may work under the brand "Al Qaeda" nowadays, and a lot may work under the brand "Anonymous", just as production companies may make TV shows for ABC, BBC, CBC, etc, but they are not all part of "Al Qaeda" or "Anonymous".

Anonymous doesn't exist, in fact. It's a pick-up game of basketball, it's an informal front for who ever happens to be in the recording studio, like the Alan Parsons Project or Menudo. ANONYMOUS DOES NOT EXIST. It is a myth, like the Conservative Silent Majority or Karl Rove's brain itself.
2012-11-19 09:04:44 AM
2 votes:
As much as I wish it were true so that we could throw Rove in jail, show us the proof you asshats.

And no, because of this aversion to tinfoil hats and many other reasons, Kos cannot be compared to the regular asshattery of WND, NRO, TDC, Newsmax, Newsbusters, TownFail, AmericanStinker, Zombiebart, etc, etc.
2012-11-19 08:48:38 AM
2 votes:
Not to be disrespectful but Anonymous has a long history of over estimating their capabilities and not following through on stuff they said they would do. Maybe that is because they are frequently not behind the boasts and promises made in their name.

/no offense
//please don't hurt me
2012-11-19 08:39:39 AM
2 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: If I posted a one page PDF to Fark claiming I have Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny locked up in my basement ...


False equivalency. PDFs from Project Everest bear a little more weight. "Anonymous saved the election" and "voting systems are dangerously insecure" are two completely different claims many here seem intent on confusing: "If the Anonymous claim is false, voting systems must be secure."
Cman is defending Daily Kos, how much more smoke is it reasonable to ask?

/only half joking
2012-11-19 07:54:57 AM
2 votes:
I actually had a FB friend claim that Romney got zero votes from Philadelphia, and only 2 in all of Ohio, so there was obviously voter fraud taking place and why wasn't anyone else upset about it?

I posted links to the official voting returns from Philadelphia and Ohio and asked her was she that gullible or did she just make stuff up to manufacture fake outrage.

/Romney did get votes in Philadelphia
//and about 48% of the vote in Ohio
2012-11-19 07:23:36 AM
2 votes:
Basically it's the same policy as Kos has had towrad Truthers.
2012-11-19 07:16:24 AM
2 votes:
Erick Erick Erick Erickson did the bare minimum of that last week, with a post saying that on RedState, secessionists, voter fraud allegers, and other conspiracy theorists can join birthers on the Go Pound Sand Express. And he did it by linking them to Amazon to purchase tin foil.
2012-11-19 12:46:08 AM
2 votes:

cman: Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.


You could refuse to give them credibility or a platform on your site to spew stupidity.
2012-11-19 03:48:08 PM
1 votes:

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.


FTFY.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Evidence that is currently lacking. The burden of proof is with Anonymous.
2012-11-19 10:32:38 AM
1 votes:

cman: Headso: cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly

W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.

Sorry, I am gonna have to disagree with ya on that.

2000 wasnt even close to this elections level of arrogance from the winners and throwing temper tantrums for the losers


I wouldn't quantify "importance" by the level of whining from punditry or dijon mustard would be a national security issue. Look what happened under W's watch, those are some big issues.
2012-11-19 09:53:36 AM
1 votes:

cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly


W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.
2012-11-19 09:51:10 AM
1 votes:
I choose to believe this conspiracy theory because it fits the facts so well (repub confidence in victory, Rove's on-air breakdown) and adds another level of schadenfreude to already delectable levels of repub angst. It reminds me of the scene from "The Sting" after Paul Newman beats Robert Shaw at poker and Shaw screams "What was I supposed to do -- call him for cheating better than me?" This kind of story is calculated to raise repub blood pressure, with the double benefit of a) fewer repubs and b) more repubs having their noses rubbed in the current health care system. I don't know or care if the Anonymous story is true or not. I'm spreading it anyway.
2012-11-19 09:43:26 AM
1 votes:
Here's the thing: it could be that Anonymous did nothing, but the "fix that was in" just didn't work.

I had to admit, Rove's reaction makes more sense if he HAD expected some last-minute Romney win. That could be chalked up to delusion, I suppose, but that implies that he was ONLY a passive observer, which is unlikely given a 9 or 10-digit financial stake in the outcome.
2012-11-19 09:14:12 AM
1 votes:
Good, what a load of shiat that was. Lets imagine a real scenario; say anonymous and its many arms of neckbeards prods around and actually does find hamRove burning Obama votes in a firewall or whatever and actually manage to stop him. Do you really think the most they would do is give Rove a hearty *tut tut*, leak a shadow of a story and ride off Shane-like into the sunset, satisfied that they had saved democracy for now?

No. They would have logged and screen-shotted any evidence of wrongdoing and their heroic actions, released most if not all the evidence to the public, and filed suit immediately. This isn't some episode of GI Joe where you beat the villain and then say "Let him run, he learned his lesson," no, you send him to federal farking prison.
2012-11-19 09:09:13 AM
1 votes:

cman: coeyagi: As much as I wish it were true so that we could throw Rove in jail, show us the proof you asshats.

And no, because of this aversion to tinfoil hats and many other reasons, Kos cannot be compared to the regular asshattery of WND, NRO, TDC, Newsmax, Newsbusters, TownFail, AmericanStinker, Zombiebart, etc, etc.

You said nothing about InfoWars....


Or Stormfront, Or Heritage.org, or Free Republic, or Drudge, or Investors.com, or Washington Times... there are only so many hours in the day, one does not simply walk into Fark and list every rightwing tin foil site....
2012-11-19 08:45:37 AM
1 votes:

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.

I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

Bottom line for me is I don't really care, Karl Rove is a turd whose days are over, and the result was satisfying.


That's truther logic. Says something crazy and the other side has to disprove it. It doesn't work that way. If someone has a crazy theory, they have to support it.
2012-11-19 08:41:48 AM
1 votes:

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.

I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

Bottom line for me is I don't really care, Karl Rove is a turd whose days are over, and the result was satisfying.


Because it reeks of conspiracy theory?
2012-11-19 08:37:19 AM
1 votes:
Surprisingly, Republicans are now concerned about voting machine vulnerabilities.

This is just BS. But it does prove one thing once again. The voting system should not be connected to the internet in any way shape or form. It should not even be connected to a phone line. Also computers should not be used in any way shape or form in the process of voting or the initial hard copies of voting results. If any electronics are used to design a voting machine then they should be hard wired discrete logic machines with no software. Link
2012-11-19 08:33:31 AM
1 votes:
good.

If we don't stop giving so much voice to the crazy folks on both sides we aren't going to get anywhere as a country.

It would be nice for folks on the right to do things like this as well.
2012-11-19 08:30:58 AM
1 votes:

hoohoodilly: I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".


If I posted a one page PDF to Fark claiming I have Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny locked up in my basement would you consider that worthy of anything but a flat dismissal or suggest that further discussion of the topic was anything but a complete waste of time?
2012-11-19 08:27:58 AM
1 votes:
Just the fact that this kind of story is believable should be a heads-up on voting laws. It should not be possible to start rumor about how easy it is to steal votes online. The fact the ohio sec. of state did an emergency patch of the ballot machines (violating state law apparently in so doing) was enough to get the wheels turning.

On the other hand one could say that crowdsourcing attempts at fraud seems to have worked to keep fraud in check, at least this time.
2012-11-19 08:15:01 AM
1 votes:

cman: Ambivalence: cman: Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.

You could refuse to give them credibility or a platform on your site to spew stupidity.

Its an open site IIRC. If someone has an agenda to push banning really wont do shiat on that kind of platform.


Nope. This ain't about principled *anything*. This is a smart move for Kos, who are reviled because they are a left wing blog. Purge the crazies or the crazies are all we hear about from the right.

This is a "kill em with kindness" style move.
2012-11-19 08:03:12 AM
1 votes:

cman: Ambivalence: cman: Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.

You could refuse to give them credibility or a platform on your site to spew stupidity.

Its an open site IIRC. If someone has an agenda to push banning really wont do shiat on that kind of platform.


He made the same promise to the 9/11 troofers back during the Bush years. I used to be a frequent visitor at that time, but I never saw any troofer posts.

So you're assertion is not backed up the past.
2012-11-19 08:00:04 AM
1 votes:
It is a funny conspiracy theory to think about. If it were true, imagine being a fly on the wall of the death star when Rove realizes his secret evil plan has fallen through, and the men with clubs are waiting outside the door.
Also, Lizard People at high levels of power is a funny conspiracy theory to think about.

It's really all funny to think about, and if you take any of those seriously, you're funny as well.
2012-11-19 07:50:11 AM
1 votes:
In order to get a sense for how truthful the claim is, watch for right wing originated "cybersecurity" and censorship laws, if it happened rove will be pissed and want retribution
2012-11-19 07:13:18 AM
1 votes:
The truth or falsehood of the Anonymous/Rove claim has no bearing on Daily Kos' misapplication of 'not even wrong'. This one does seem provable in principle.
2012-11-19 07:07:49 AM
1 votes:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Do not attempt to awaken the sheeple!

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