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(Daily Kos)   Kos promises to ban people if they keep up the B.S. claim of Anonymous preventing Rove from stealing the election. Still waiting for right-wing sites to denounce their faithfuls' wacko conspiracy theories   (dailykos.com) divider line 74
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2012-11-19 12:22:31 AM  
"I will wield the ban-hammer ruthlessly against anyone who further spreads this shiat."

TFA spreads it.
 
2012-11-19 12:28:38 AM  
Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.
 
2012-11-19 12:46:08 AM  

cman: Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.


You could refuse to give them credibility or a platform on your site to spew stupidity.
 
2012-11-19 12:50:22 AM  

Ambivalence: cman: Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.

You could refuse to give them credibility or a platform on your site to spew stupidity.


Its an open site IIRC. If someone has an agenda to push banning really wont do shiat on that kind of platform.
 
2012-11-19 03:50:49 AM  

WelldeadLink: "I will wield the ban-hammer ruthlessly against anyone who further spreads this shiat."


Kos must be getting Thor HARDEE HAR HAR
 
2012-11-19 06:49:55 AM  
Left? Right?
They're all fascists.

Wake up.
 
2012-11-19 06:51:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Left? Right?
They're all fascists.

Wake up.


Sheeple?
 
2012-11-19 06:52:56 AM  
Do they really need to ban them or simply make an announcement like they did here and mock them relentlessly.
 
2012-11-19 06:53:12 AM  

Fart_Machine: HotIgneous Intruder: Left? Right?
They're all fascists.

Wake up.

Sheeple?


Do not attempt to awaken the sheeple!

(xkcdsheeple.jpeg)
 
2012-11-19 06:56:13 AM  
Curious, why are people down voting this?
 
2012-11-19 06:57:31 AM  

cman: Curious, why are people down voting this?


Do what, now?
 
2012-11-19 07:07:32 AM  

jso2897: cman: Curious, why are people down voting this?

Do what, now?


Something us filthy liters can't do. TFers can vote up a story to greenlight it, or vote it down to call it trash that shouldn't be posted.

Mods do not always listen
 
2012-11-19 07:07:49 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Do not attempt to awaken the sheeple!

(xkcdsheeple.jpeg)


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-19 07:11:32 AM  

Klivian: jso2897: cman: Curious, why are people down voting this?

Do what, now?

Something us filthy liters can't do. TFers can vote up a story to greenlight it, or vote it down to call it trash that shouldn't be posted.

Mods do not always listen


Ah. I am not versed in the arcane lore of TF.
 
2012-11-19 07:13:18 AM  
The truth or falsehood of the Anonymous/Rove claim has no bearing on Daily Kos' misapplication of 'not even wrong'. This one does seem provable in principle.
 
2012-11-19 07:16:24 AM  
Erick Erick Erick Erickson did the bare minimum of that last week, with a post saying that on RedState, secessionists, voter fraud allegers, and other conspiracy theorists can join birthers on the Go Pound Sand Express. And he did it by linking them to Amazon to purchase tin foil.
 
2012-11-19 07:19:11 AM  
Aren't the right wing sites largely the source of right wing conspiracy theories?
 
2012-11-19 07:23:36 AM  
Basically it's the same policy as Kos has had towrad Truthers.
 
2012-11-19 07:23:54 AM  
If it must be discussed, may it be discussed in the context of being a steaming pile of idiotic ramblings.
Not as something of worthy of consideration.
 
2012-11-19 07:30:07 AM  
so... rove has blackmail on kos. good to know.
 
2012-11-19 07:35:38 AM  
On the Independent Lens last night: Park Avenue: Money, Power & the American Dream. Repubs, maybe the sentiments expressed in this program will have some bearing on US elections over the next little while?
 
2012-11-19 07:36:52 AM  
So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.

I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

Bottom line for me is I don't really care, Karl Rove is a turd whose days are over, and the result was satisfying.
 
2012-11-19 07:50:11 AM  
In order to get a sense for how truthful the claim is, watch for right wing originated "cybersecurity" and censorship laws, if it happened rove will be pissed and want retribution
 
2012-11-19 07:53:24 AM  

Klivian: jso2897: cman: Curious, why are people down voting this?

Do what, now?

Something us filthy liters can't do. TFers can vote up a story to greenlight it, or vote it down to call it trash that shouldn't be posted.

Mods do not always listen


Mods have nothing to do with link approval, son.
 
2012-11-19 07:54:57 AM  
I actually had a FB friend claim that Romney got zero votes from Philadelphia, and only 2 in all of Ohio, so there was obviously voter fraud taking place and why wasn't anyone else upset about it?

I posted links to the official voting returns from Philadelphia and Ohio and asked her was she that gullible or did she just make stuff up to manufacture fake outrage.

/Romney did get votes in Philadelphia
//and about 48% of the vote in Ohio
 
2012-11-19 08:00:04 AM  
It is a funny conspiracy theory to think about. If it were true, imagine being a fly on the wall of the death star when Rove realizes his secret evil plan has fallen through, and the men with clubs are waiting outside the door.
Also, Lizard People at high levels of power is a funny conspiracy theory to think about.

It's really all funny to think about, and if you take any of those seriously, you're funny as well.
 
2012-11-19 08:00:12 AM  
Someone out there thinks anonymous knows how to hack things?
 
2012-11-19 08:02:27 AM  

magores: so... rove has blackmail on kos. good to know.


It's obvious that Rove got to him.
 
2012-11-19 08:03:12 AM  

cman: Ambivalence: cman: Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.

You could refuse to give them credibility or a platform on your site to spew stupidity.

Its an open site IIRC. If someone has an agenda to push banning really wont do shiat on that kind of platform.


He made the same promise to the 9/11 troofers back during the Bush years. I used to be a frequent visitor at that time, but I never saw any troofer posts.

So you're assertion is not backed up the past.
 
2012-11-19 08:15:01 AM  

cman: Ambivalence: cman: Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.

You could refuse to give them credibility or a platform on your site to spew stupidity.

Its an open site IIRC. If someone has an agenda to push banning really wont do shiat on that kind of platform.


Nope. This ain't about principled *anything*. This is a smart move for Kos, who are reviled because they are a left wing blog. Purge the crazies or the crazies are all we hear about from the right.

This is a "kill em with kindness" style move.
 
2012-11-19 08:17:35 AM  

cman: Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.


So you're saying the Democrats should run some of them as presidential candidates? Both sides being equally bad, and all.
 
2012-11-19 08:18:43 AM  

Bendal: I actually had a FB friend claim that Romney got zero votes from Philadelphia, and only 2 in all of Ohio, so there was obviously voter fraud taking place and why wasn't anyone else upset about it?

I posted links to the official voting returns from Philadelphia and Ohio and asked her was she that gullible or did she just make stuff up to manufacture fake outrage.

/Romney did get votes in Philadelphia
//and about 48% of the vote in Ohio


So how did it turn out? Did she fail to respond or did she come back to reality for a little while?
 
2012-11-19 08:20:21 AM  

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.


Have they released any information other than a poorly written letter? If not, there's nothing to disprove and the claim has to be treated as bullshiat.
 
2012-11-19 08:22:35 AM  

Garble: cman: Just like all the birthers, those who want to believe will believe it no matter if you ban them. There is nothing you can do.

So you're saying the Democrats should run some of them as presidential candidates? Both sides being equally bad, and all.


Yes I clearly sad that both sides were bad in my post
 
2012-11-19 08:23:38 AM  
I read this the other day. As I recall, Anonymous let Rove off with a warning...this time. That should be your first tip that the story is first rate, major league horsecrap.
 
2012-11-19 08:27:58 AM  
Just the fact that this kind of story is believable should be a heads-up on voting laws. It should not be possible to start rumor about how easy it is to steal votes online. The fact the ohio sec. of state did an emergency patch of the ballot machines (violating state law apparently in so doing) was enough to get the wheels turning.

On the other hand one could say that crowdsourcing attempts at fraud seems to have worked to keep fraud in check, at least this time.
 
2012-11-19 08:30:58 AM  

hoohoodilly: I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".


If I posted a one page PDF to Fark claiming I have Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny locked up in my basement would you consider that worthy of anything but a flat dismissal or suggest that further discussion of the topic was anything but a complete waste of time?
 
2012-11-19 08:33:31 AM  
good.

If we don't stop giving so much voice to the crazy folks on both sides we aren't going to get anywhere as a country.

It would be nice for folks on the right to do things like this as well.
 
2012-11-19 08:37:19 AM  
Surprisingly, Republicans are now concerned about voting machine vulnerabilities.

This is just BS. But it does prove one thing once again. The voting system should not be connected to the internet in any way shape or form. It should not even be connected to a phone line. Also computers should not be used in any way shape or form in the process of voting or the initial hard copies of voting results. If any electronics are used to design a voting machine then they should be hard wired discrete logic machines with no software. Link
 
2012-11-19 08:39:39 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: If I posted a one page PDF to Fark claiming I have Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny locked up in my basement ...


False equivalency. PDFs from Project Everest bear a little more weight. "Anonymous saved the election" and "voting systems are dangerously insecure" are two completely different claims many here seem intent on confusing: "If the Anonymous claim is false, voting systems must be secure."
Cman is defending Daily Kos, how much more smoke is it reasonable to ask?

/only half joking
 
2012-11-19 08:41:48 AM  

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.

I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

Bottom line for me is I don't really care, Karl Rove is a turd whose days are over, and the result was satisfying.


Because it reeks of conspiracy theory?
 
2012-11-19 08:43:18 AM  
Now that's actually a juicy conspiracy theory, not like the one about the president being a black guy.
 
2012-11-19 08:45:37 AM  

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.

I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

Bottom line for me is I don't really care, Karl Rove is a turd whose days are over, and the result was satisfying.


That's truther logic. Says something crazy and the other side has to disprove it. It doesn't work that way. If someone has a crazy theory, they have to support it.
 
2012-11-19 08:48:38 AM  
Not to be disrespectful but Anonymous has a long history of over estimating their capabilities and not following through on stuff they said they would do. Maybe that is because they are frequently not behind the boasts and promises made in their name.

/no offense
//please don't hurt me
 
2012-11-19 08:51:22 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: hoohoodilly: I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

If I posted a one page PDF to Fark claiming I have Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny locked up in my basement would you consider that worthy of anything but a flat dismissal or suggest that further discussion of the topic was anything but a complete waste of time?


Anonymous' claims are rooted in reality, even if their claim is b.s. Rove is sleazy, and perfectly capable of going to great lengths to steal elections. Many believe that the 2000 and/or 2004 were fraudulent, highly suspicious, and/or stolen.

If Anonymous thwarted Rove, awesome. If not, they're attention whores. Either way, Mittens and Ham Rove are history, so it's all good.
 
2012-11-19 09:04:44 AM  
As much as I wish it were true so that we could throw Rove in jail, show us the proof you asshats.

And no, because of this aversion to tinfoil hats and many other reasons, Kos cannot be compared to the regular asshattery of WND, NRO, TDC, Newsmax, Newsbusters, TownFail, AmericanStinker, Zombiebart, etc, etc.
 
2012-11-19 09:06:48 AM  

coeyagi: As much as I wish it were true so that we could throw Rove in jail, show us the proof you asshats.

And no, because of this aversion to tinfoil hats and many other reasons, Kos cannot be compared to the regular asshattery of WND, NRO, TDC, Newsmax, Newsbusters, TownFail, AmericanStinker, Zombiebart, etc, etc.


You said nothing about InfoWars....
 
2012-11-19 09:09:13 AM  

cman: coeyagi: As much as I wish it were true so that we could throw Rove in jail, show us the proof you asshats.

And no, because of this aversion to tinfoil hats and many other reasons, Kos cannot be compared to the regular asshattery of WND, NRO, TDC, Newsmax, Newsbusters, TownFail, AmericanStinker, Zombiebart, etc, etc.

You said nothing about InfoWars....


Or Stormfront, Or Heritage.org, or Free Republic, or Drudge, or Investors.com, or Washington Times... there are only so many hours in the day, one does not simply walk into Fark and list every rightwing tin foil site....
 
2012-11-19 09:14:12 AM  
Good, what a load of shiat that was. Lets imagine a real scenario; say anonymous and its many arms of neckbeards prods around and actually does find hamRove burning Obama votes in a firewall or whatever and actually manage to stop him. Do you really think the most they would do is give Rove a hearty *tut tut*, leak a shadow of a story and ride off Shane-like into the sunset, satisfied that they had saved democracy for now?

No. They would have logged and screen-shotted any evidence of wrongdoing and their heroic actions, released most if not all the evidence to the public, and filed suit immediately. This isn't some episode of GI Joe where you beat the villain and then say "Let him run, he learned his lesson," no, you send him to federal farking prison.
 
2012-11-19 09:14:34 AM  
Rove would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids.
 
2012-11-19 09:16:40 AM  

coeyagi: Investors.com


Wow. I wondered why such an innocuous sounding site was so reviled, then I clicked on editorials. Mark 'Mouth Breather' Steyn claiming the change in American demographics is a Leftist plot to steal votes? Wow.
 
2012-11-19 09:18:21 AM  

Tremolo: No. They would have logged and screen-shotted any evidence of wrongdoing and their heroic actions, released most if not all the evidence to the public, and filed suit immediately.


Which is exactly what elevates this from 'not even wrong' to 'almost certainly wrong'; the possibility of proof.
 
2012-11-19 09:27:24 AM  

taoistlumberjak: It is a funny conspiracy theory to think about. If it were true, imagine being a fly on the wall of the death star when Rove realizes his secret evil plan has fallen through, and the men with clubs are waiting outside the door.
Also, Lizard People at high levels of power is a funny conspiracy theory to think about.

It's really all funny to think about, and if you take any of those seriously, you're funny as well.


Everybody funny.
Now you funny too.
 
2012-11-19 09:38:00 AM  

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.


It was disproved at the same time that it was conclusively shown that Milhouse wasn't a meme.
 
2012-11-19 09:43:26 AM  
Here's the thing: it could be that Anonymous did nothing, but the "fix that was in" just didn't work.

I had to admit, Rove's reaction makes more sense if he HAD expected some last-minute Romney win. That could be chalked up to delusion, I suppose, but that implies that he was ONLY a passive observer, which is unlikely given a 9 or 10-digit financial stake in the outcome.
 
2012-11-19 09:44:09 AM  

neenerist: coeyagi: Investors.com

Wow. I wondered why such an innocuous sounding site was so reviled, then I clicked on editorials. Mark 'Mouth Breather' Steyn claiming the change in American demographics is a Leftist plot to steal votes? Wow.


Well, it's true. Obviously the Obama admin is sending invitation cards to every hacienda south of the border.

Don't let the fact that the net influx of immigrants is zero under Obama or that they would like universal access to birth control and safe sex education fool you...

Obama is single-handedly shifting demographics! DAMN YOU, Fartbungler!
 
2012-11-19 09:50:30 AM  

ursomniac: Here's the thing: it could be that Anonymous did nothing, but the "fix that was in" just didn't work.

I had to admit, Rove's reaction makes more sense if he HAD expected some last-minute Romney win. That could be chalked up to delusion, I suppose, but that implies that he was ONLY a passive observer, which is unlikely given a 9 or 10-digit financial stake in the outcome.


Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly
 
2012-11-19 09:51:10 AM  
I choose to believe this conspiracy theory because it fits the facts so well (repub confidence in victory, Rove's on-air breakdown) and adds another level of schadenfreude to already delectable levels of repub angst. It reminds me of the scene from "The Sting" after Paul Newman beats Robert Shaw at poker and Shaw screams "What was I supposed to do -- call him for cheating better than me?" This kind of story is calculated to raise repub blood pressure, with the double benefit of a) fewer repubs and b) more repubs having their noses rubbed in the current health care system. I don't know or care if the Anonymous story is true or not. I'm spreading it anyway.
 
2012-11-19 09:53:36 AM  

cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly


W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.
 
2012-11-19 09:56:08 AM  

Headso: cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly

W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.


Sorry, I am gonna have to disagree with ya on that.

2000 wasnt even close to this elections level of arrogance from the winners and throwing temper tantrums for the losers
 
2012-11-19 10:32:38 AM  

cman: Headso: cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly

W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.

Sorry, I am gonna have to disagree with ya on that.

2000 wasnt even close to this elections level of arrogance from the winners and throwing temper tantrums for the losers


I wouldn't quantify "importance" by the level of whining from punditry or dijon mustard would be a national security issue. Look what happened under W's watch, those are some big issues.
 
2012-11-19 10:50:58 AM  

Headso: cman: Headso: cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly

W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.

Sorry, I am gonna have to disagree with ya on that.

2000 wasnt even close to this elections level of arrogance from the winners and throwing temper tantrums for the losers

I wouldn't quantify "importance" by the level of whining from punditry or dijon mustard would be a national security issue. Look what happened under W's watch, those are some big issues.


You are viewing it in retrospect. Keep to this year only and you will see what I mean. The left claimed that if Romney won, abortion would be made illegal, gays would be throw in jail, debtors would be thrown in prison, and we would have a war with Iran. The right claimed that this was the last chance they had to stop a full blown communist utopia. Both sides hammered their base saying this was the most important vote in the past X amount of years.
 
2012-11-19 11:38:23 AM  
Is this one fake like ghosts are fake, or is this fake like Romney's tax return blackmail, where the FBI arrested someone for it?

Just checking.
 
2012-11-19 12:12:57 PM  

neenerist: The truth or falsehood of the Anonymous/Rove claim has no bearing on Daily Kos' misapplication of 'not even wrong'. This one does seem provable in principle.


The birther claims never seemed anything but ludicrous and (if you're rational) were disproved in about five minutes. This Rove thing, on the other hand, . . . people, this is Karl Rove we're talking about. Does anyone think he wouldn't steal the election if he thought he could get away with it? I'd like to see some real evidence for and against on this one.
 
2012-11-19 12:38:27 PM  

ursomniac: Here's the thing: it could be that Anonymous did nothing, but the "fix that was in" just didn't work.

I had to admit, Rove's reaction makes more sense if he HAD expected some last-minute Romney win. That could be chalked up to delusion, I suppose, but that implies that he was ONLY a passive observer, which is unlikely given a 9 or 10-digit financial stake in the outcome.


This.

There is no way to know conclusively, but it does tie up the loose ends of how absolutely certain Romney was of a win and how Rove thought a last second come-from-behind against all odds was dead certain and how he totally flipped out when it was clear they really had lost.

They were either totally inept (and Rove is known to be the Machiavellian master of dirty tricks and manipulation) or they had some reason to expect that against all odds they would win at the last second.

Not provable, but a plausible theory.
 
2012-11-19 02:05:47 PM  
That's OK, I'm sure they can still get greenlit here in the Politroll tab.
 
2012-11-19 02:19:14 PM  

musashi1600: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Do not attempt to awaken the sheeple!

(xkcdsheeple.jpeg)

[i46.tinypic.com image 640x191]


I love XKCD for the simple reason that I either don't get the joke or it's one of the funniest jokes I've ever seen in my life.

/almost no middle ground
 
2012-11-19 03:48:08 PM  

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.


FTFY.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Evidence that is currently lacking. The burden of proof is with Anonymous.
 
2012-11-19 06:48:19 PM  

biglot: On the Independent Lens last night: Park Avenue: Money, Power & the American Dream. Repubs, maybe the sentiments expressed in this program will have some bearing on US elections over the next little while?


Funny how this isn't one of the films available for free streaming on PBS. Perhaps the filmmaker isn't quite so concerned about the poor in this country and is more concerned with making a profit himself.
 
2012-11-19 08:26:22 PM  

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.

I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

Bottom line for me is I don't really care, Karl Rove is a turd whose days are over, and the result was satisfying.


I do find how nicely it dovetails with Rove's insistence that they were just misinterpreting Ohio over and over and over and over and ober... I don't know if it's a legit claim or not, but that IS an interesting parallel.
 
2012-11-19 08:42:12 PM  
Where did the media (and Fark headline writers) get the idea that the group which claimed to have hacked Karl Rove's brain is Anonymous? They never claimed that. They have their own name, like, you know, Al Qaeda has its own name. A lot of different groups may work under the brand "Al Qaeda" nowadays, and a lot may work under the brand "Anonymous", just as production companies may make TV shows for ABC, BBC, CBC, etc, but they are not all part of "Al Qaeda" or "Anonymous".

Anonymous doesn't exist, in fact. It's a pick-up game of basketball, it's an informal front for who ever happens to be in the recording studio, like the Alan Parsons Project or Menudo. ANONYMOUS DOES NOT EXIST. It is a myth, like the Conservative Silent Majority or Karl Rove's brain itself.
 
2012-11-19 10:19:03 PM  

Mikey1969: hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.

I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

Bottom line for me is I don't really care, Karl Rove is a turd whose days are over, and the result was satisfying.

I do find how nicely it dovetails with Rove's insistence that they were just misinterpreting Ohio over and over and over and over and ober... I don't know if it's a legit claim or not, but that IS an interesting parallel.


This is why it's hard to completely discount it as just a bonkers conspiracy theory.

Karl Rove isn't a fool, he isn't a dummy, he should have known better. He seemed absolutely, positively certain that Ohio would go Republican, no matter how the ballots seemed at any one moment. He had a huge meltdown on live TV when that was shown to be utterly impossible.

Yeah, no proof, but one heck of a nice coincidence that means that Rove was either an utterly incompetent buffoon who bought his own party line (that he helped craft) or he thought a fix was in, that wasn't.

I hate to go for conspiracy theories, but this one sounds plausible when stacked up with the various other Dirty Tricks they were caught trying this year like the voter suppression "ID" laws, purging registered voters, registration drives that weren't supposed to register Democrats, a few polling machines that were found to count votes for Obama as Romney votes (before they were caught and corrected), some Republicans getting caught attempting voter fraud trying to vote multiple times, and so on.

They showed they weren't above dirty tricks to fix an election, a hack to electronic voting machines that courts had ruled didn't have to disclose their source code doesn't seem that implausible.

If anything, crap like this shows we shouldn't be using electronic voting, or at least use one with a paper trail that makes it absolutely unambiguous who the votes were for so a hand recount can be performed.
 
2012-11-19 10:46:29 PM  

Silverstaff: If anything, crap like this shows we shouldn't be using electronic voting, or at least use one with a paper trail that makes it absolutely unambiguous who the votes were for so a hand recount can be performed.


It would be nice though, wouldn't it? An actual secure, safe electronic voting apparatus. Electronic counting would be much more efficient than hand counting, and could actually be more secure, but until people with a conflict of interest stop getting the ability to manipulate the system, it will never work.

These need to be totally independent companies, with no links to politicians, PAC's, political campaigns, etc. before they can be trusted. We need a sandboxed corporation, maybe run by the gov't, but still not allowed to be tied to any specific politicians, with the general public allowed to view tis details at any time. Then it might work.
 
2012-11-20 02:02:49 AM  
this is hardly a hare-brained nutbar theory. fact, in light of anonymous' history, it's entirely possible
 
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