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(Daily Kos)   Kos promises to ban people if they keep up the B.S. claim of Anonymous preventing Rove from stealing the election. Still waiting for right-wing sites to denounce their faithfuls' wacko conspiracy theories   (dailykos.com) divider line 74
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2012-11-19 09:16:40 AM

coeyagi: Investors.com


Wow. I wondered why such an innocuous sounding site was so reviled, then I clicked on editorials. Mark 'Mouth Breather' Steyn claiming the change in American demographics is a Leftist plot to steal votes? Wow.
 
2012-11-19 09:18:21 AM

Tremolo: No. They would have logged and screen-shotted any evidence of wrongdoing and their heroic actions, released most if not all the evidence to the public, and filed suit immediately.


Which is exactly what elevates this from 'not even wrong' to 'almost certainly wrong'; the possibility of proof.
 
2012-11-19 09:27:24 AM

taoistlumberjak: It is a funny conspiracy theory to think about. If it were true, imagine being a fly on the wall of the death star when Rove realizes his secret evil plan has fallen through, and the men with clubs are waiting outside the door.
Also, Lizard People at high levels of power is a funny conspiracy theory to think about.

It's really all funny to think about, and if you take any of those seriously, you're funny as well.


Everybody funny.
Now you funny too.
 
2012-11-19 09:38:00 AM

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.


It was disproved at the same time that it was conclusively shown that Milhouse wasn't a meme.
 
2012-11-19 09:43:26 AM
Here's the thing: it could be that Anonymous did nothing, but the "fix that was in" just didn't work.

I had to admit, Rove's reaction makes more sense if he HAD expected some last-minute Romney win. That could be chalked up to delusion, I suppose, but that implies that he was ONLY a passive observer, which is unlikely given a 9 or 10-digit financial stake in the outcome.
 
2012-11-19 09:44:09 AM

neenerist: coeyagi: Investors.com

Wow. I wondered why such an innocuous sounding site was so reviled, then I clicked on editorials. Mark 'Mouth Breather' Steyn claiming the change in American demographics is a Leftist plot to steal votes? Wow.


Well, it's true. Obviously the Obama admin is sending invitation cards to every hacienda south of the border.

Don't let the fact that the net influx of immigrants is zero under Obama or that they would like universal access to birth control and safe sex education fool you...

Obama is single-handedly shifting demographics! DAMN YOU, Fartbungler!
 
2012-11-19 09:50:30 AM

ursomniac: Here's the thing: it could be that Anonymous did nothing, but the "fix that was in" just didn't work.

I had to admit, Rove's reaction makes more sense if he HAD expected some last-minute Romney win. That could be chalked up to delusion, I suppose, but that implies that he was ONLY a passive observer, which is unlikely given a 9 or 10-digit financial stake in the outcome.


Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly
 
2012-11-19 09:51:10 AM
I choose to believe this conspiracy theory because it fits the facts so well (repub confidence in victory, Rove's on-air breakdown) and adds another level of schadenfreude to already delectable levels of repub angst. It reminds me of the scene from "The Sting" after Paul Newman beats Robert Shaw at poker and Shaw screams "What was I supposed to do -- call him for cheating better than me?" This kind of story is calculated to raise repub blood pressure, with the double benefit of a) fewer repubs and b) more repubs having their noses rubbed in the current health care system. I don't know or care if the Anonymous story is true or not. I'm spreading it anyway.
 
2012-11-19 09:53:36 AM

cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly


W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.
 
2012-11-19 09:56:08 AM

Headso: cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly

W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.


Sorry, I am gonna have to disagree with ya on that.

2000 wasnt even close to this elections level of arrogance from the winners and throwing temper tantrums for the losers
 
2012-11-19 10:32:38 AM

cman: Headso: cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly

W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.

Sorry, I am gonna have to disagree with ya on that.

2000 wasnt even close to this elections level of arrogance from the winners and throwing temper tantrums for the losers


I wouldn't quantify "importance" by the level of whining from punditry or dijon mustard would be a national security issue. Look what happened under W's watch, those are some big issues.
 
2012-11-19 10:50:58 AM

Headso: cman: Headso: cman: Considering that both the left and the right considered this the most important election in the last 50 years, if you were on the losing side, it was gonna hurt very badly

W's victory over Gore was way bigger than Obama's victory over Romney.

Sorry, I am gonna have to disagree with ya on that.

2000 wasnt even close to this elections level of arrogance from the winners and throwing temper tantrums for the losers

I wouldn't quantify "importance" by the level of whining from punditry or dijon mustard would be a national security issue. Look what happened under W's watch, those are some big issues.


You are viewing it in retrospect. Keep to this year only and you will see what I mean. The left claimed that if Romney won, abortion would be made illegal, gays would be throw in jail, debtors would be thrown in prison, and we would have a war with Iran. The right claimed that this was the last chance they had to stop a full blown communist utopia. Both sides hammered their base saying this was the most important vote in the past X amount of years.
 
2012-11-19 11:38:23 AM
Is this one fake like ghosts are fake, or is this fake like Romney's tax return blackmail, where the FBI arrested someone for it?

Just checking.
 
2012-11-19 12:12:57 PM

neenerist: The truth or falsehood of the Anonymous/Rove claim has no bearing on Daily Kos' misapplication of 'not even wrong'. This one does seem provable in principle.


The birther claims never seemed anything but ludicrous and (if you're rational) were disproved in about five minutes. This Rove thing, on the other hand, . . . people, this is Karl Rove we're talking about. Does anyone think he wouldn't steal the election if he thought he could get away with it? I'd like to see some real evidence for and against on this one.
 
2012-11-19 12:38:27 PM

ursomniac: Here's the thing: it could be that Anonymous did nothing, but the "fix that was in" just didn't work.

I had to admit, Rove's reaction makes more sense if he HAD expected some last-minute Romney win. That could be chalked up to delusion, I suppose, but that implies that he was ONLY a passive observer, which is unlikely given a 9 or 10-digit financial stake in the outcome.


This.

There is no way to know conclusively, but it does tie up the loose ends of how absolutely certain Romney was of a win and how Rove thought a last second come-from-behind against all odds was dead certain and how he totally flipped out when it was clear they really had lost.

They were either totally inept (and Rove is known to be the Machiavellian master of dirty tricks and manipulation) or they had some reason to expect that against all odds they would win at the last second.

Not provable, but a plausible theory.
 
2012-11-19 02:05:47 PM
That's OK, I'm sure they can still get greenlit here in the Politroll tab.
 
2012-11-19 02:19:14 PM

musashi1600: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Do not attempt to awaken the sheeple!

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I love XKCD for the simple reason that I either don't get the joke or it's one of the funniest jokes I've ever seen in my life.

/almost no middle ground
 
2012-11-19 03:48:08 PM

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.


FTFY.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Evidence that is currently lacking. The burden of proof is with Anonymous.
 
2012-11-19 06:48:19 PM

biglot: On the Independent Lens last night: Park Avenue: Money, Power & the American Dream. Repubs, maybe the sentiments expressed in this program will have some bearing on US elections over the next little while?


Funny how this isn't one of the films available for free streaming on PBS. Perhaps the filmmaker isn't quite so concerned about the poor in this country and is more concerned with making a profit himself.
 
2012-11-19 08:26:22 PM

hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.

I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

Bottom line for me is I don't really care, Karl Rove is a turd whose days are over, and the result was satisfying.


I do find how nicely it dovetails with Rove's insistence that they were just misinterpreting Ohio over and over and over and over and ober... I don't know if it's a legit claim or not, but that IS an interesting parallel.
 
2012-11-19 08:42:12 PM
Where did the media (and Fark headline writers) get the idea that the group which claimed to have hacked Karl Rove's brain is Anonymous? They never claimed that. They have their own name, like, you know, Al Qaeda has its own name. A lot of different groups may work under the brand "Al Qaeda" nowadays, and a lot may work under the brand "Anonymous", just as production companies may make TV shows for ABC, BBC, CBC, etc, but they are not all part of "Al Qaeda" or "Anonymous".

Anonymous doesn't exist, in fact. It's a pick-up game of basketball, it's an informal front for who ever happens to be in the recording studio, like the Alan Parsons Project or Menudo. ANONYMOUS DOES NOT EXIST. It is a myth, like the Conservative Silent Majority or Karl Rove's brain itself.
 
2012-11-19 10:19:03 PM

Mikey1969: hoohoodilly: So, Anonymous' claim has been disproven? I must've missed that.

I have no clue whether their claim is true or not, but I also have no information as to why it should be dismissed as a "conspiracy theory".

Bottom line for me is I don't really care, Karl Rove is a turd whose days are over, and the result was satisfying.

I do find how nicely it dovetails with Rove's insistence that they were just misinterpreting Ohio over and over and over and over and ober... I don't know if it's a legit claim or not, but that IS an interesting parallel.


This is why it's hard to completely discount it as just a bonkers conspiracy theory.

Karl Rove isn't a fool, he isn't a dummy, he should have known better. He seemed absolutely, positively certain that Ohio would go Republican, no matter how the ballots seemed at any one moment. He had a huge meltdown on live TV when that was shown to be utterly impossible.

Yeah, no proof, but one heck of a nice coincidence that means that Rove was either an utterly incompetent buffoon who bought his own party line (that he helped craft) or he thought a fix was in, that wasn't.

I hate to go for conspiracy theories, but this one sounds plausible when stacked up with the various other Dirty Tricks they were caught trying this year like the voter suppression "ID" laws, purging registered voters, registration drives that weren't supposed to register Democrats, a few polling machines that were found to count votes for Obama as Romney votes (before they were caught and corrected), some Republicans getting caught attempting voter fraud trying to vote multiple times, and so on.

They showed they weren't above dirty tricks to fix an election, a hack to electronic voting machines that courts had ruled didn't have to disclose their source code doesn't seem that implausible.

If anything, crap like this shows we shouldn't be using electronic voting, or at least use one with a paper trail that makes it absolutely unambiguous who the votes were for so a hand recount can be performed.
 
2012-11-19 10:46:29 PM

Silverstaff: If anything, crap like this shows we shouldn't be using electronic voting, or at least use one with a paper trail that makes it absolutely unambiguous who the votes were for so a hand recount can be performed.


It would be nice though, wouldn't it? An actual secure, safe electronic voting apparatus. Electronic counting would be much more efficient than hand counting, and could actually be more secure, but until people with a conflict of interest stop getting the ability to manipulate the system, it will never work.

These need to be totally independent companies, with no links to politicians, PAC's, political campaigns, etc. before they can be trusted. We need a sandboxed corporation, maybe run by the gov't, but still not allowed to be tied to any specific politicians, with the general public allowed to view tis details at any time. Then it might work.
 
2012-11-20 02:02:49 AM
this is hardly a hare-brained nutbar theory. fact, in light of anonymous' history, it's entirely possible
 
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