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2012-11-19 06:33:04 AM
Looks like He-Man won this round, Skeletor.
 
2012-11-19 06:42:13 AM
Then you expect the governor of Colorado to enforce federal drug laws I assume?

Ahh, I do so love fair weather states rights people.
 
2012-11-19 06:47:45 AM
TFA: "Mitt Romney did not win the election. So it's not an option to repeal Obamacare. So my goal now is: focus on what's good for our citizens."

I love how Scott comes right out and admits that the primary goal was defeating Obama, and the secondary goal is doing what's good for the public.

I mean, anyone who's been watching the Republican Party for the last four years already knows this, but it's refreshing to have a prominent Republican cone right out and say it.
 
2012-11-19 06:52:12 AM

randomjsa: Then you expect the governor of Colorado to enforce federal drug laws I assume?

Ahh, I do so love fair weather states rights people.


Any growers and suppliers large enough to attract Federal attention are still at risk of prosecution in those states, and here in california - and they will be until Federal law changes.
But anyway - states don't have "rights" - people do.
States have "powers" - and those powers are determined and limited by the people. Just as the fed can arrest me for violating federal pot laws, but cannot compel the state of californiaa to prosecute me for same, the fed can legally institute ACA anywhere in America - they just can't force the states to contribute to their efforts. Those states who leave the implementation of ACA too the fed are being very foolish, but they are withing their legal powers. It's just a stupid political gesture of defiance that will not help their citizens.
Of course, as a Californian, I don't mins paying extra taxes so that these backward red states can be kept afloat - they are my fellow Americans, and I consider it a privilege to help them out. Paying taxes in a civilized society is a privilege.
 
2012-11-19 06:58:30 AM
 
2012-11-19 07:02:04 AM

musashi1600: Article VI of the United States Constitution, how the fark does it work?


It works the way the courts say it works - like any other part of the Constitution.
 
2012-11-19 07:02:12 AM

musashi1600: Article VI of the United States Constitution, how the fark does it work?


www.theroundtableonline.com

/best song meme ever IMO
 
2012-11-19 07:15:07 AM
If the GOP thought that Obamacare was really defective they would rush to implement it.
 
2012-11-19 07:27:42 AM

Doc Daneeka: TFA: "Mitt Romney did not win the election. So it's not an option to repeal Obamacare. So my goal now is: focus on what's good for our citizens."

I love how Scott comes right out and admits that the primary goal was defeating Obama, and the secondary goal is doing what's good for the public.

I mean, anyone who's been watching the Republican Party for the last four years already knows this, but it's refreshing to have a prominent Republican cone right out and say it.


He's not being honest when he says that. The real reason he's going ahead with the state exchanges is that this way he has some say in who gets to be in the exchange and who doesn't. It's another "thing" he can use to exert power /leverage over to determine the outcome. otherwise the feds handle it and he and his admin get locked out of any deal making.
 
2012-11-19 07:30:29 AM
 
2012-11-19 07:47:45 AM
In other words, Governor Scott found some way he could make a buck on implementation. Oh, wait, I'm sorry, his WIFE owns all those assets. He has nothing at all to do with them, nosirreebob.
 
2012-11-19 07:51:21 AM
said Weatherford, R-Wesley Chapel. "The problem is there are hundreds of unanswered questions that are out there with regard to the implementation to the Affordable Health Care Act.

Yeah, you have all these unanswered questions to a law passed two years ago. If only you had had some time at which you could have voiced these concerns.

Hobodeluxe: He's not being honest when he says that. The real reason he's going ahead with the state exchanges is that this way he has some say in who gets to be in the exchange and who doesn't. It's another "thing" he can use to exert power /leverage over to determine the outcome. otherwise the feds handle it and he and his admin get locked out of any deal making.


Hey, if it's gonna happen anyway then why shouldn't Rick Scott figure out a way to scam the system? He'll probably add in a rider to all the state exchanges policies that people have to take mandatory drug tests in cups supplied by his own company.
 
2012-11-19 07:54:06 AM
Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."
 
2012-11-19 08:07:31 AM

phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."


Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange.

/10 years from now the GOP will be taking credit for all the good things the ACA did.
 
2012-11-19 08:10:25 AM

verbaltoxin: phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."

Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange.

/10 years from now the GOP will be taking credit for all the good things the ACA did.


And 15 years from now Republicans will be trying to score political points by accusing Democrats of trying to defund Obamacare.
 
2012-11-19 08:16:38 AM

randomjsa: Then you expect the governor of Colorado to enforce federal drug laws I assume?

Ahh, I do so love fair weather states rights people.


You are absolutely right. Too bad there's not a federal solution. It's not as if there's some sort of looming financial crisis, a fiscal cliff, if you will. And it's not as if the war on drugs eats up a lot of tax dollars, and it's not as if the program is ineffective. It's not as if the president has some sort of power that let's the executive branch do things on a national level, a type of executive order, if you will, the sort of thing a republican candidate might have used to repeal Obamacare - on DAY ONE - if he were elected to the office of president. Because if any of these things are true, and the federal government could do this, the states' rights issue would be moot.
 
2012-11-19 08:28:17 AM

DeaH: randomjsa: Then you expect the governor of Colorado to enforce federal drug laws I assume?

Ahh, I do so love fair weather states rights people.

You are absolutely right. Too bad there's not a federal solution. It's not as if there's some sort of looming financial crisis, a fiscal cliff, if you will. And it's not as if the war on drugs eats up a lot of tax dollars, and it's not as if the program is ineffective. It's not as if the president has some sort of power that let's the executive branch do things on a national level, a type of executive order, if you will, the sort of thing a republican candidate might have used to repeal Obamacare - on DAY ONE - if he were elected to the office of president. Because if any of these things are true, and the federal government could do this, the states' rights issue would be moot.


"lets" not "let's"

/sheesh
 
2012-11-19 08:33:28 AM

phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."


Missouri's lower chamber already approved a bill that would do that, and Kansas is rushing to beat Wisconsin to seat #2 on the crazy train.
 
2012-11-19 08:36:04 AM

verbaltoxin: Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange


Yeah, about that ...
 
2012-11-19 08:38:46 AM

Doc Daneeka: verbaltoxin: phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."

Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange.

/10 years from now the GOP will be taking credit for all the good things the ACA did.

And 15 years from now Republicans will be trying to score political points by accusing Democrats of trying to defund Obamacare.


I always said that if Romney had been elected, they would 'repeal, the ACA and 'replace' it with a virtually identical bill. But they would call it something like the Freedom and Liberty American Free Market Healthcare Act and claim credit for fixing health care.
 
2012-11-19 08:38:56 AM
Next he will figure out how to profit from it.

//See Skeletor's prior history of medicare/medicaid fraud
 
2012-11-19 08:54:24 AM
I've said it before and it remains true; most of us in red states would fare far better if our Republican governors refuse to touch the healthcare exchanges and allow the federal government to set them up. It the Republican governors or their appointees set them up, I believe, they will look for ways to make the program a failure to "prove" it was a bad idea.
 
2012-11-19 08:59:54 AM
I heard as the law was written that if the states set up the exchanges, that employers have to pay the $2000/head penalty for not providing health insurance, but if the state opts out and the citizens use the federal exchange, then the employer penalty doesn't apply.

Can anybody confirm or deny this? If it is true then the states would be foolish to implement them because employers would just move their jobs out of state.
 
2012-11-19 09:09:42 AM

verbaltoxin: phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."

Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange.

/10 years from now the GOP will be taking credit for all the good things the ACA did.


Update: On Friday, Scott Walker decided to let the federal government set up the exchange. No state exchange here/
 
2012-11-19 09:43:35 AM

phaseolus: verbaltoxin: Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange

Yeah, about that ...


HA!

thenewmissus: verbaltoxin: phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."

Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange.

/10 years from now the GOP will be taking credit for all the good things the ACA did.

Update: On Friday, Scott Walker decided to let the federal government set up the exchange. No state exchange here/


So did Nebraska.

Here's what brings me to snickers over all of this.

Nixon proposed universal healthcare in the 1970s.

Republicans laid out much of what would become Obamacare in the 1990s.

Republican governors are deferring to federal insurance exchanges in the 2010s.

Republicans are doing everything ass-backwards to bring in a universal healthcare system a Republican President initially wanted 40 years ago.

/A question to the Fark conservatives here: has it sunk in yet? Has the lie that Republicans want to "shrink the size of government" finally become clear to you?
 
2012-11-19 10:01:07 AM

verbaltoxin: phaseolus: verbaltoxin: Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange

Yeah, about that ...

HA!

thenewmissus: verbaltoxin: phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."

Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange.

/10 years from now the GOP will be taking credit for all the good things the ACA did.

Update: On Friday, Scott Walker decided to let the federal government set up the exchange. No state exchange here/

So did Nebraska.

Here's what brings me to snickers over all of this.

Nixon proposed universal healthcare in the 1970s.

Republicans laid out much of what would become Obamacare in the 1990s.

Republican governors are deferring to federal insurance exchanges in the 2010s.

Republicans are doing everything ass-backwards to bring in a universal healthcare system a Republican President initially wanted 40 years ago.

/A question to the Fark conservatives here: has it sunk in yet? Has the lie that Republicans want to "shrink the size of government" finally become clear to you?


I said this in one of the "Papa John" threads last week. What these guys are doing, in the long run, is making it more palatable for the public to accept single payer.
 
2012-11-19 10:05:43 AM

TheGreatGazoo: I heard as the law was written that if the states set up the exchanges, that employers have to pay the $2000/head penalty for not providing health insurance, but if the state opts out and the citizens use the federal exchange, then the employer penalty doesn't apply.

Can anybody confirm or deny this? If it is true then the states would be foolish to implement them because employers would just move their jobs out of state.


If you read through all of Section 4980H, it makes it pretty clear that there's no contingency for whether a state establishes its own exchange, partners with the federal government to do parts of the exchange, or lets the federal government run the whole exchange to the employer shared responsibility payment.
 
2012-11-19 10:30:41 AM

thenewmissus: verbaltoxin: phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."

Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange.

/10 years from now the GOP will be taking credit for all the good things the ACA did.

Update: On Friday, Scott Walker decided to let the federal government set up the exchange. No state exchange here/


Frankly I trust the Federal Government to handle it better than Rick Scott and the FL Republicans
 
2012-11-19 12:20:20 PM

phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."


I can't wait for them to pass it and then try to carry it out. Is a local cop really going to stare down a bunch of armed FBI agents in helmets & flack jackets? Not to mention a federal judge could always issue an arrest warrant for the governor and members of the legislature. They wanna be martyrs, let them be martyrs.
 
2012-11-19 12:39:55 PM
I'm visiting my Girlfriends relatives in Florida this week, her sis-in-law has to pay $1300 a month for insurance because she made the mistake of getting skin cancer.

She knows nothing about Obamacare or the exchange because she is a Republican.

I hope she can get a better plan somewhere once the exchange is open, but will having a history of cancer cause her to have higher rates? She said BCBC put some kind of writ against her in her medical file.
 
2012-11-19 01:10:52 PM

mksmith: phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."

I can't wait for them to pass it and then try to carry it out. Is a local cop really going to stare down a bunch of armed FBI agents in helmets & flack jackets? Not to mention a federal judge could always issue an arrest warrant for the governor and members of the legislature. They wanna be martyrs, let them be martyrs.



IANAL but I can't imagine how this law could possibly survive a court challenge.

Speaking of which, waaaaaah-activist-judges-always-strike-down-our-laws is a thing these days for Wisconsin "conservatives", so I expect the state government's going to try to "fix" that "problem" in the state courts early on in the next session. It'll be interesting to see if they do that before the criminalizing ObamaCare implementation bill in the attempt to slow down the appeals process and therefore delay the date of their ultimate smackdown in a federal court.

With Republican control of the State Senate and Assembly, it's not hard to predict lots of forthcoming hilarity ensuing in Scott Walker's Wisconsin in 2013...
 
2012-11-19 01:12:46 PM
Damn, that was horrible and jumbled. I really need to take the time and write with more care. Sorry.
 
2012-11-19 01:17:24 PM

KellyX: thenewmissus: verbaltoxin: phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."

Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange.

/10 years from now the GOP will be taking credit for all the good things the ACA did.

Update: On Friday, Scott Walker decided to let the federal government set up the exchange. No state exchange here/

Frankly I trust the Federal Government to handle it better than Rick Scott and the FL Republicans


THIS.

2014 is coming, and I fully intend to apply some personal time and money to campaigning for anybody but Rick Scott for governor.

Okay, almost anybody. I'm sure there's worse, but not by much.

My personal campaign slogan will be -- "It's not that I don't like Rick Scott...it's that I REALLY don't like Rick Scott." Who's with me? We'll endorse damn near anybody and everybody who isn't Rick Scott!
 
2012-11-19 02:40:13 PM

Tuesdae: KellyX: thenewmissus: verbaltoxin: phaseolus: Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
"Madison - As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law."

Those people are going to be pretty upset when Gov. Walker tells them the state is going with its own exchange.

/10 years from now the GOP will be taking credit for all the good things the ACA did.

Update: On Friday, Scott Walker decided to let the federal government set up the exchange. No state exchange here/

Frankly I trust the Federal Government to handle it better than Rick Scott and the FL Republicans

THIS.

2014 is coming, and I fully intend to apply some personal time and money to campaigning for anybody but Rick Scott for governor.

Okay, almost anybody. I'm sure there's worse, but not by much.

My personal campaign slogan will be -- "It's not that I don't like Rick Scott...it's that I REALLY don't like Rick Scott." Who's with me? We'll endorse damn near anybody and everybody who isn't Rick Scott!


I did, I supported Alex Sink, and she barely lost.

Funny thing is most of the people I know that voted Rick Scott say they regret it now... Yea, like I wasn't telling them exactly how he would behave for almost a year before he was elected... idiots!
 
2012-11-19 10:38:04 PM
"So it's not an option to repeal Obamacare. So my goal now is: focus on what's good for our citizens. I want to sit down with you. I want to see how we can work together to lower health care costs for Floridians."

Because if Romney had won, then fark the citizenry.
 
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