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2012-11-18 07:35:40 PM  
The only difference between being a madman and being an idiot is the donator is a farking idiot.
 
wee
2012-11-18 07:39:53 PM  
I have a Dali etching. Came into my mom's consignment store. Called the customer and they never came by.
 
2012-11-18 07:51:53 PM  
From my advanced knowledge of Pawn Stars, these apparently are pretty common.
 
2012-11-18 07:52:33 PM  
What did the Goodwill person say when they realized what it was?

I'm guessing "Well, Hellooooo Dali!"

/Cos that's what I would said there.
 
wee
2012-11-18 09:18:02 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: From my advanced knowledge of Pawn Stars, these apparently are pretty common.


I know he made 250 of the one I have, so... yeah. (It's 71 of 250, in pencil, just above the signature.) He made a lot of etchings.

We figured it was worth at least something and wanted to let them know. After a few months it was fair game. I think it was leftovers from an estate deal. It happens.
 
2012-11-18 09:59:09 PM  
Dali was well known for forging himself, signing blank canvases, producing his work in a factory-like evirionment with the vast majority of his work being done by "assistants" etc. The piece might be worth something, or it might not. Say what you want about Dali, but he was truly ahead of his time.
 
2012-11-18 10:35:20 PM  

NowhereMon: Dali was well known for forging himself, signing blank canvases, producing his work in a factory-like evirionment with the vast majority of his work being done by "assistants" etc. The piece might be worth something, or it might not. Say what you want about Dali, but he was truly ahead of his time.


Plus Dali prices have never really recovered from this.. Link
 
2012-11-18 11:02:03 PM  

FarkingAussie: NowhereMon: Dali was well known for forging himself, signing blank canvases, producing his work in a factory-like evirionment with the vast majority of his work being done by "assistants" etc. The piece might be worth something, or it might not. Say what you want about Dali, but he was truly ahead of his time.

Plus Dali prices have never really recovered from this.. Link


A lot of famous or popular artists do this. They come up with a basic idea or design and then just sign it when it's done. What even worse to me is the amount of auction price fixing that goes on. The whole art world in itself is quite a shady business.

Heh i used to work for a gallery that had a few locations. One day we get a phone call from a sister store asking if we were raided by the FBI too. They had "unknowingly" sold a fake Rembrandt and it was intercepted in shipment. So the FBI came in and confiscated all their computers and some other records. I guess they never found any evidence they they knowingly sold them...but I wasn't quite so convinced.
 
2012-11-18 11:19:31 PM  
Most dali etchings on ebay over the last 90 days have sold for well under $500. And were more accessible art than the one they are offering.

Best of luck to 'em.
 
2012-11-18 11:22:15 PM  
on 20/20 the reporter brought a bunch of kindergartener's finger paintings to an art gallery. the critics oohed and ahhed.
 
2012-11-19 12:21:13 AM  

SpikeStrip: on 20/20 the reporter brought a bunch of kindergartener's finger paintings to an art gallery. the critics oohed and ahhed.


Success in art is part skill and part con, and part of the con is the image projected by the artist or their representation.

I didn't see that 20/20 but if you feed art sellers a line they will eat it if they think they can resell the art with that line.

Some of my best friends are struggling artists. Building a reputation is the hard part.
 
2012-11-19 02:47:40 AM  

quatchi: What did the Goodwill person say when they realized what it was?

I'm guessing "Well, Hellooooo Dali!"

/Cos that's what I would said there.


Yes. And then you would have been shot.

If I was there.
 
2012-11-19 02:51:13 AM  
It's so nice to see you back where you belong.
 
2012-11-19 02:55:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: quatchi: What did the Goodwill person say when they realized what it was?

I'm guessing "Well, Hellooooo Dali!"

/Cos that's what I would said there.


Yes. And then you would have been shot.

If I was there.


Wow, yer hardcore.

Most people are content to just pelt me with rocks and vegetables and then send me fleeing out into the cruel night when I make bad jokes like that.

If the jokes aren't that bad sometimes they just bounce dinner rolls off my head.

Makes a nice change does that.

^__^
 
2012-11-19 03:06:26 AM  

Asa Phelps: SpikeStrip: on 20/20 the reporter brought a bunch of kindergartener's finger paintings to an art gallery. the critics oohed and ahhed.

Success in art is part skill and part con, and part of the con is the image projected by the artist or their representation.

I didn't see that 20/20 but if you feed art sellers a line they will eat it if they think they can resell the art with that line.

Some of my best friends are struggling artists. Building a reputation is the hard part.


They would have a bigger reputation and wouldn't be struggling if you just did the right thing: kill them and hawk their accomplishments on NPR.
 
2012-11-19 03:08:17 AM  
So the Salvation army was laundering art for the nazis?
 
2012-11-19 03:09:50 AM  
I agree with Sister Wendy Beckett. Dali has technical chops, but the stuff he creates is grotesque and unappealing.
 
2012-11-19 03:09:54 AM  

Tellingthem: FarkingAussie: NowhereMon: Dali was well known for forging himself, signing blank canvases, producing his work in a factory-like evirionment with the vast majority of his work being done by "assistants" etc. The piece might be worth something, or it might not. Say what you want about Dali, but he was truly ahead of his time.

Plus Dali prices have never really recovered from this.. Link

A lot of famous or popular artists do this. They come up with a basic idea or design and then just sign it when it's done. What even worse to me is the amount of auction price fixing that goes on. The whole art world in itself is quite a shady business.

Heh i used to work for a gallery that had a few locations. One day we get a phone call from a sister store asking if we were raided by the FBI too. They had "unknowingly" sold a fake Rembrandt and it was intercepted in shipment. So the FBI came in and confiscated all their computers and some other records. I guess they never found any evidence they they knowingly sold them...but I wasn't quite so convinced.


i know a few people in the business. what you stated was quite accurate: "The whole art world in itself is quite a shady business." doubly so where there is real $ involved.

as with other collectables, best bet (unless it's for true investment purposes) is to buy what you like. that way you enjoy, you can't go wrong. the world is filled with wonderful artists, most will never get half an even break. the big mouth promoted showmen who loudly proclaim to be original and wonderful get attention. undeserved attention.
 
2012-11-19 03:16:59 AM  
Meh. Art is in the eye of the beholder. I'd rather have a signed Frank Cho.
 
2012-11-19 03:20:42 AM  

quatchi: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: What did the Goodwill person say when they realized what it was?

I'm guessing "Well, Hellooooo Dali!"

/Cos that's what I would said there.

Yes. And then you would have been shot.

If I was there.

Wow, yer hardcore.

Most people are content to just pelt me with rocks and vegetables and then send me fleeing out into the cruel night when I make bad jokes like that.

If the jokes aren't that bad sometimes they just bounce dinner rolls off my head.

Makes a nice change does that.

^__^


Well, the veggies and dinner rolls make a good meal, I guess. Long as they're not rotten tomatoes.
 
2012-11-19 03:27:49 AM  

KrispyKritter: Tellingthem: FarkingAussie: NowhereMon: Dali was well known for forging himself, signing blank canvases, producing his work in a factory-like evirionment with the vast majority of his work being done by "assistants" etc. The piece might be worth something, or it might not. Say what you want about Dali, but he was truly ahead of his time.

Plus Dali prices have never really recovered from this.. Link

A lot of famous or popular artists do this. They come up with a basic idea or design and then just sign it when it's done. What even worse to me is the amount of auction price fixing that goes on. The whole art world in itself is quite a shady business.

Heh i used to work for a gallery that had a few locations. One day we get a phone call from a sister store asking if we were raided by the FBI too. They had "unknowingly" sold a fake Rembrandt and it was intercepted in shipment. So the FBI came in and confiscated all their computers and some other records. I guess they never found any evidence they they knowingly sold them...but I wasn't quite so convinced.

i know a few people in the business. what you stated was quite accurate: "The whole art world in itself is quite a shady business." doubly so where there is real $ involved.

as with other collectables, best bet (unless it's for true investment purposes) is to buy what you like. that way you enjoy, you can't go wrong. the world is filled with wonderful artists, most will never get half an even break. the big mouth promoted showmen who loudly proclaim to be original and wonderful get attention. undeserved attention.


Yep best advice right there. Don't listen to the critics or the experts. Buy what you enjoy, not what someone tells you you should. Art for an investment can make you money..but you either have to be lucky or know what you are doing. Even then one bad move can tank an artists value and you are stuck holding the bag. Scams are everywhere from fakes to bs "limited editions". I've seen people spend thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) on a print...and in a few years that same print is selling on ebay for a couple of hundred bucks. I love the business but the bs involved is sometimes sickening.
 
2012-11-19 03:30:28 AM  
It seems nowadays you can just swallow some food dye and ipecac syrup, throw up on some canvas , and you have a masterpiece.

/ Wait a minute... ?
//brb
 
2012-11-19 03:34:29 AM  

Asa Phelps: Most dali etchings on ebay over the last 90 days have sold for well under $500. And were more accessible art than the one they are offering.

Best of luck to 'em.


Really? I'll have to hunt one or two down.

I got my intro to fine art at the Goodwill. Noticed a couple of nicely framed prints, one at $2 and the other at $3. Took them home and found that they're by Roger Hilton. They're up on the wall and I love them.
 
2012-11-19 03:35:43 AM  
WTF? $18,525.00

Link
 
2012-11-19 03:46:46 AM  
Anyone want to buy John Voight's pencil?
 
2012-11-19 03:52:17 AM  

Tony_Pepperoni: WTF? $18,525.00

Link


heh gotta love it. You can buy the whole suite for less than 10K Link 

unless there was something different about it being part of the "deluxe portfolio" edition. Maybe hand colored or embellished to make it more valuable...

300 Numbered (1 - 300)
300 Roman Numeraled (I - CCC)
150 Deluxe Portfolios Numbered (1 - 150)
50 AP's (AP1 - AP50)
50 EA's
Roman Numeraled (EAI - EAL)
65 HC's (HC1 - HC65)
125 Numbered "G" (G1 - G125)
 
2012-11-19 03:52:21 AM  

SpikeStrip: on 20/20 the reporter brought a bunch of kindergartener's finger paintings to an art gallery. the critics oohed and ahhed.


I think they've done the same thing with paintings made by monkeys and elephants.
 
2012-11-19 03:53:48 AM  
"Tacoma Goodwill Industries is auctioning an original, hand-signed etching by Salvador Dali (yes, that Salvador Dali) that happened to appear at the charity chain's Federal Way store.

"It just showed up in our donation stream," Goodwill online sales manager Dylan Lippert said."


How surreal.
 
2012-11-19 03:55:31 AM  

Tony_Pepperoni: WTF? $18,525.00

Link


I can only assume this is what happens when typical joes like us want to invest in some 'fine art.' They've heard the name Salvador Dali, they know that costs a lot less than the $500,000+ sales they saw on TV and think they're getting one hell of a deal I guess.
 
2012-11-19 03:56:43 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I agree with Sister Wendy Beckett. Dali has technical chops, but the stuff he creates is grotesque and unappealing.


Yes, but she was a nun.
 
2012-11-19 04:07:28 AM  
don't get me wrong, he had some talent and a few good pieces, but i am not that big of a fan of his work. it's just way too strange. If i wanted a painting i would go for something from someone like Bob Ross. If i wanted freak i would get H. R. Giger.
 
2012-11-19 04:19:44 AM  
www.deshow.net 



just sayin....
 
2012-11-19 04:21:21 AM  

gravebayne2: don't get me wrong, he had some talent and a few good pieces, but i am not that big of a fan of his work. it's just way too strange. If i wanted a painting i would go for something from someone like Bob Ross. If i wanted freak i would get H. R. Giger.


But when you watch Bob Ross he makes you feel like you can actually make something just like he does! Then you go out and buy his brushes, his paint, and everything else and turn on an episode. Afterwards you see something that might loosely resemble the landscape he made and you realize that you just wasted all this money on his special supplies and can't paint worth a damn.
 
2012-11-19 04:36:14 AM  
Bob Ross looked like he used house painting brushes.

The art world is nuts. Give a good story about it and you can sell a blank canvas. Then there are the art school after class shenanigans....

So is Dali the 'Master of Fright'?
 
2012-11-19 04:51:12 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Bob Ross looked like he used house painting brushes.

The art world is nuts. Give a good story about it and you can sell a blank canvas. Then there are the art school after class shenanigans....

So is Dali the 'Master of Fright'?


I thought that was Munch:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-19 05:54:00 AM  
Salvador Dali - the art world's first and greatest epic troll. He despised the art establishment, and the latter part of his career was devoted less to making art than to exposing the art world for what it is.
And we never even thanked him.
 
2012-11-19 07:57:13 AM  
That's. Just. Surreal.
 
2012-11-19 08:08:47 AM  
Awesome guy. Like cats.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-19 08:23:38 AM  
Article forgot to include the link to the auction.
 
2012-11-19 08:29:43 AM  
This is why I don't shop at Goodwill. They take all the good stuff before it hits the floor. Whatever the manager doesn't "acquire" , goes to their auction website. Goodwill is now whatever didn't sell at Target for 75% off, marked back up to original price.
 
2012-11-19 08:32:12 AM  
Jacksonville has a pretty cool local artist (Imported from the UK) in this guy. He likes to mix metaphors, like Toy Story & Doctor Who, or The Muppest & The Beatles. It's not fine art, but it looks good and makes awesome hipster T-shirts. People like him give me hope that this dreary little town may one day rise above its current status as the the biggest little town in America.
 
2012-11-19 08:51:51 AM  
Was it the coveted "Two blindfolded dental hygienist trying to make a circle on an etch-a-sketch"?
 
2012-11-19 09:04:27 AM  

FarkingAussie: NowhereMon: Dali was well known for forging himself, signing blank canvases, producing his work in a factory-like evirionment with the vast majority of his work being done by "assistants" etc. The piece might be worth something, or it might not. Say what you want about Dali, but he was truly ahead of his time. Plus Dali prices have never really recovered from this.


This, plus the market was flooded with fakes made by other people in the 80s. Dali etchings, even real ones, are practically worthless. Unless you really like them, in which case put 'em on your wall and enjoy 'em. But don't think they're going to make you rich...
 
2012-11-19 10:43:26 AM  
gay
 
2012-11-19 10:52:50 AM  

BigEd: Jacksonville has a pretty cool local artist (Imported from the UK) in this guy. He likes to mix metaphors, like Toy Story & Doctor Who, or The Muppest & The Beatles. It's not fine art, but it looks good and makes awesome hipster T-shirts. People like him give me hope that this dreary little town may one day rise above its current status as the the biggest little town in America.


Y'know, when I hear "awesome local artist" my knee-jerk reaction is "probably gonna suck", but that website title was definitely truth in advertising.

Might have to get this for Star Wars obsessed friend for Christmas:

www.jameshance.com

/thanks for the link
 
2012-11-19 10:56:30 AM  
And he's got Dr Who, Muppets, *and* Adventure Time well represented? Goddammit that man knows how to cover like half my Christmas list.

/hipster t-shirt and print holiday shopping time it is!
 
2012-11-19 11:23:08 AM  

BigEd: Jacksonville has a pretty cool local artist (Imported from the UK) in this guy. He likes to mix metaphors, like Toy Story & Doctor Who, or The Muppest & The Beatles. It's not fine art, but it looks good and makes awesome hipster T-shirts. People like him give me hope that this dreary little town may one day rise above its current status as the the biggest little town in America.


Reminds me of Brandon Bird:

www.brandonbird.com
 
2012-11-19 01:10:41 PM  
It wasn't the Federal Way 'Goodwill', it was the Tacoma 'Goodwill'. It's bad enough when people think that Tacoma is just a suburb of Seattle but when they use Federal Way that is just so wrong!
Also at the time/day of the story bids were already over $15,000.00 not $999.99!
 
2012-11-19 11:54:02 PM  

Tony_Pepperoni: Link


Joe Peanut: Article forgot to include the link to the auction.


Yeah, I often find it annoying when articles fail to provide the URL for the very online event or page they're describing. It happens far more often than it should. How farking hard is it to include that obvious detail?

Perhaps for some cases they want to report on something, but have some seperation-of-interest policy against providing advertising for free? That would still seem stupid to me, but at least I could sort of understand. But this is farking Goodwill, for Pete's sake. The writer could throw interested readers (and the charity) a bone.


I assume the omission of the picture itself from the article (another journalism pet peeve, especially when a space news article uses an artist's illustration instead of the actual available space image under discussion) is either because
a) CBS thought fair use wouldn't cover it
b) because a striking, high quality image wasn't available -- the image at the auction site is itself prettty lo-res
or
c) the WTSP site simply neglected to include it when they reposted the story from the CBS feed.

(I suppose that last one could semi-explain the URL omission, too)

/Thanks for the link
//Not that I have the money for it; I was just curious to see what the actual thing looks like.
 
2012-11-20 11:28:19 AM  
hbk72777

"This is why I don't shop at Goodwill. They take all the good stuff before it hits the floor. Whatever the manager doesn't "acquire" , goes to their auction website. Goodwill is now whatever didn't sell at Target for 75% off, marked back up to original price."

Our local Goodwill is a ripoff. Purses for $125, women's shoes for $70, banged-up 45s of Poison, Quiet Riot, etc. for $5 each... And the rest is a pile of junk with missing and broken parts that would be more at home in a dumpster.

As far as the "charity" aspect:

1) Virtually all of the help (at our location, anyway) are unpaid volunteers.
2) They get all of their merchandise free.
3) The only expense they have is rent on the building, and electricity.
4) As a charity, they pay no property taxes.
5) Goodwill's execs make some serious money.

I'm a bit dubious about their motives.
 
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