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(NASCAR)   Danica Patrick cements her reputation as the Anna Kournikova of NASCAR by... actually, she's the first female driver to end the year in the Top Ten   (nationwide.nascar.com) divider line 85
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2012-11-19 09:08:58 AM

foo monkey: She's Dale Jr with tits. Overrated. Hyped up for fans. Everything given to her. She's good enough to be there, but her "success" is a media fabrication.


Jr. probably has bigger boobs.

And Busch talent is probably about as low as it's been in a long time. Just look at Rusty's kid.
 
2012-11-19 09:11:21 AM
Submitter doesn't know NASCAR!

She was driving the kids car at the big boy table.
 
2012-11-19 09:12:38 AM

eddievercetti: puffy999: MFAWG: Well, I'll be curious to see how she does with a competent crew chief instead of somebody whose primary qualification is 'Dale Earnhardt's cousin'.

Still think she's a competent mid-packer capable of winning a race once in a while when circumstances are right, but she may be slightly better than that.

I think she was better off in Indycar, where she had talent (to an extent) and money (endless amounts of it) behind her. And with all of that, she wasn't spectacular.

Plus, at IndyCar, wasn't there other girls who were ok but weren't as hot?


The other girls have talent and danica is not that hot, cute maybe
 
2012-11-19 09:23:27 AM
She's not the female Dale Jr, she's the female Tim Tebow.
 
2012-11-19 09:38:23 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: She's not the female Dale Jr, she's the female Tim Tebow.


she just wins?
 
2012-11-19 09:51:22 AM

steamingpile: Actually she was gifted an Indy car race since most drivers didn't make it over to the race which was just ran as an exhibition then given credit after she won.


There is literally nothing in that sentence that isn't wrong.
 
2012-11-19 10:25:15 AM
Seriously, if she didn't wear as little as she does, would anyone even click into the link?
 
2012-11-19 10:27:07 AM

Ed_Severson: steamingpile: Actually she was gifted an Indy car race since most drivers didn't make it over to the race which was just ran as an exhibition then given credit after she won.

There is literally nothing in that sentence that isn't wrong.


Oh yeah, people have selective amnesia about her win and ignore it was cancelled at first due to water seepage from an earthquake, drivers didn't want to race on the damages track, it was only half a field of cars, only 14 of those finished the race, she only won when two cars ran out of gas, and it was talked of being an exhibition only race before she won. The only reason it was changed was because George wanted the PR boost of having the only female driver to win an open wheel race.

She was gifted a win, in a full field she's top 10 finisher at best, thats kind of pathetic considering how much money is being thrown at that team.
 
2012-11-19 11:00:10 AM

steamingpile: Oh yeah, people have selective amnesia about her win and ignore it was cancelled at first due to water seepage from an earthquake, drivers didn't want to race on the damages track, it was only half a field of cars, only 14 of those finished the race, she only won when two cars ran out of gas, and it was talked of being an exhibition only race before she won. The only reason it was changed was because George wanted the PR boost of having the only female driver to win an open wheel race.


Wow, is that wrong.

First of all, the race was never cancelled. It was postponed for one day because of rain. There was no earthquake damage and nobody there had any apprehension about running the race. This race was in 2008; the damage at Motegi from the tsunami and earthquake in 2011 forced the 2011 race to be moved from the oval to the road course.

The field there was not any different than any previous IndyCar race on an oval. It was the last oval race that took place without the former Champ Car teams, which would have made no diffence because those teams were largely uncompetitive on ovals during the entire merger season of 2008. She still had to beat Ganassi, Penske, and her Andretti teammates.

No one ran out of fuel. Helio Castroneves backed off near the end of the race to avoid a splash and go, so Danica passed him for the lead and hung on to win. She and Helio had made their last stops at the same time -- she beat him straight up.

There was never any consideration given to making that race an exhibition race. It was a full points race, just as the Grand Prix of Long Beach held later that same weekend was. Only two ideas were considered -- the first proposal considered was to allow drivers and teams, if they chose, to participate in both events and receive points for only one or the other, but ultimately that idea was scrapped because of logistics impracticalities. The second idea was to move the Motegi race to a later date on the calendar to avoid the conflict with Long Beach, but that was also scrapped because the contracts were already in place and a suitable replacement date couldn't be found.

So, again, you've said literally nothing correct. Complain about "selective amnesia" all you want. Some of us actually work in this sport for a living and know what the hell we're talking about.
 
2012-11-19 11:25:19 AM

Tellingthem: srhp29: Yeah, not sure what you mean Subby...Kournikova was in the Top 10...but she was competing against other women.

Auto racing is one of the sports where sex doesn't matter much. Shirley Muldowney won 4 championships in drag racing. And she competed in the highest levels.
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ChaCha Muldowney.
 
2012-11-19 11:41:11 AM

steamingpile: Oh yeah, people have selective amnesia about her win


You seem to anyway.

and ignore it was cancelled at first due to water seepage from an earthquake, drivers didn't want to race on the damages track,

Incorrect. There was a rain delay due to water seeping up onto the track but it was from rain the previous 2 days and not from an earthquake. The delay was less than 24 hours and the event was never cancelled or rescheduled.

it was only half a field of cars,

Not really. The open wheel unification meant the Champ Car scheduled race at Long Beach would occur the same weekend. Rather than lose either race it was decided to run both the same weekend for full IRL points. Still, the field that started the 2008 Japan 300 was the same size as the previous year's race won by Tony Kanaan and the one before won by Hélio Castroneves putting Patrick's win on equal footing with previous IRL editions of this race. To discount this race for the size of its field is to discount every race and winner before it.

only 14 of those finished the race

True. 14 out of 18 entrants finished the race, similar to the 15 out of 18 that finished the previous year for Kanaan's victory. It is true that not all entrants will finish scheduled laps of an event, however to discount this race for not having the entire field complete the scheduled distance is to discount the overwhelming majority of auto races ever competed.

she only won when two cars ran out of gas

True, Patrick and her team were able to manage their pit strategy and fuel usage better than the 2 cars ahead of her in the closing laps. This is known as a fuel mileage victory and occurs numerous times every season. To discount this particular fuel mileage victory is to do the same for all events that have ended in such a way.

It is notable that the same situation happened to Patrick at the 2005 Indianapolis 500. After taking the race lead with 18 laps remaining and building a 1 second lead Patrick was forced to dial down her car's fuel mixture to keep from running out of gas. This allowed Dan Wheldon to overtake her at lap 186. Would you care to say his 1st 500 victory doesn't count?

and it was talked of being an exhibition only race before she won. The only reason it was changed was because George wanted the PR boost of having the only female driver to win an open wheel race.

Incorrect. Both the Japan AND Long Beach races were talked of being exhibition only events in the months preceding them as there was no way to keep both races if the unification started that week. Instead of making either race an exhibition it was decided to run both events and grant equal IRL points to entrants in each. The Japan event was scheduled as a full points paying race before the green flag and not changed to such after as was the Long Beach event. To discount this race for possibly being rescheduled or changed to an exhibition is to discount the Long Beach Grand Prix from the same weekend as well as Will Power's victory in that event.

She was gifted a win, in a full field she's top 10 finisher at best, thats kind of pathetic considering how much money is being thrown at that team.

In no way was Patrick's victory in the 2008 Japan Indy 300 a "gift". As for her team's funding to results ratio I would be inclined to agree that more victories should have occurred considering the resources they had but this in no way discounts the 1 win they managed to earn despite a large amount of revisionist history on your part.
 
2012-11-19 12:02:29 PM
Heh... Danica threads always bring out people who know two things about racing: jack & shiat.

Awesome correction up thread Ed. I'm still bitter about the 08 season cause I lost a Champ car race.
 
2012-11-19 12:07:17 PM

Ed_Severson: steamingpile: Oh yeah, people have selective amnesia about her win and ignore it was cancelled at first due to water seepage from an earthquake, drivers didn't want to race on the damages track, it was only half a field of cars, only 14 of those finished the race, she only won when two cars ran out of gas, and it was talked of being an exhibition only race before she won. The only reason it was changed was because George wanted the PR boost of having the only female driver to win an open wheel race.

Wow, is that wrong.

First of all, the race was never cancelled. It was postponed for one day because of rain. There was no earthquake damage and nobody there had any apprehension about running the race. This race was in 2008; the damage at Motegi from the tsunami and earthquake in 2011 forced the 2011 race to be moved from the oval to the road course.

The field there was not any different than any previous IndyCar race on an oval. It was the last oval race that took place without the former Champ Car teams, which would have made no diffence because those teams were largely uncompetitive on ovals during the entire merger season of 2008. She still had to beat Ganassi, Penske, and her Andretti teammates.

No one ran out of fuel. Helio Castroneves backed off near the end of the race to avoid a splash and go, so Danica passed him for the lead and hung on to win. She and Helio had made their last stops at the same time -- she beat him straight up.

There was never any consideration given to making that race an exhibition race. It was a full points race, just as the Grand Prix of Long Beach held later that same weekend was. Only two ideas were considered -- the first proposal considered was to allow drivers and teams, if they chose, to participate in both events and receive points for only one or the other, but ultimately that idea was scrapped because of logistics impracticalities. The second idea was to move the Motegi race to a later date on the calendar to avoid the conflict with Long Beach, but that was also scrapped because the contracts were already in place and a suitable replacement date couldn't be found.

So, again, you've said literally nothing correct. Complain about "selective amnesia" all you want. Some of us actually work in this sport for a living and know what the hell we're talking about.


Sorry, you need to do more reading on it, most of the teams did not send most of their teams over because of the long beach race and most race teams didn't want to run the race in the conditions. It should be telling that every other race she has been in she usually finishes outside the top 10, its amazing they cover her like this when there are other female drivers more deserving of coverage.

And everyone I have spoken with that have knowledge of the race still doesn't feel she won a race, people keep pushing her along when she's a barely average driver. Hell there are dozens of drivers that could have raced that car to 10th place finishes with the money she had behind her.
 
2012-11-19 12:22:00 PM
steamingpile...what an apt name.

Care to share with us some of these people you've spoken with? Or are they highly confidential, protected sources (re: bloggers)? Or perhaps you can tell us how you're so sure of yourself. I mean, given that Ed actually works in IndyCar and has for quite some time...
 
2012-11-19 12:50:43 PM

steamingpile: Ed_Severson: steamingpile: Sorry, you need to do more reading on it, most of the teams did not send most of their teams over because of the long beach race and most race teams didn't want to run the race in the conditions. It should be telling that every other race she has been in she usually finishes outside the top 10, its amazing they cover her like this when there are other female drivers more deserving of coverage.


Um, yeah, about that... You sir have no idea what you are talking about. Let's just look at her Indy 500 entries:

Year Chassis Engine Start Finish Team
2005 Panoz Honda 4 4 Rahal Letterman
2006 Panoz Honda 10 8 Rahal Letterman
2007 Dallara Honda 8 8 Andretti Green Racing
2008 Dallara Honda 5 22 Andretti Green Racing
2009 Dallara Honda 10 3 Andretti Green Racing
2010 Dallara Honda 23 6 Andretti Autosport
2011 Dallara Honda 25 10 Andretti Autosport


Yep, that's seven 500 mile races and six top-ten finishes (even a podium)... So about that "every other race she has been in she usually finishes outside the top 10" statement." How's that working for you now?
 
2012-11-19 12:58:46 PM

steamingpile: Sorry, you need to do more reading on it


Hysterical. I don't sit around and read about these races on the internet. I compete in them.

most of the teams did not send most of their teams over because of the long beach race

Utter nonsense. There was no team that competed at both Motegi and Long Beach that year. Every team at Motegi was there with a full crew.

most race teams didn't want to run the race in the conditions.

Again, utter nonsense. The weepers postponed the race for one day. Once the track was dry nobody had any concerns at all about the race, and there was no damage to the track. Everyone involved in that race was a willing participant.

It should be telling that every other race she has been in she usually finishes outside the top 10

So now your argument is that she couldn't have won this race because she never won another one? There are lots of one-time winners out there who would be surprised to hear that incontrovertible reasoning. By the way, she has 63 career top ten finishes in IndyCar, which is a bunch for someone who "usually finishes outside the top 10".

And everyone I have spoken with that have knowledge of the race still doesn't feel she won a race

Two points here:

1. Given that, upthread, you've demonstrated your definition of "knowledge" to be reciting a bunch of imaginary bullshiat that never happened, I'm not sure I'd put much faith in who you think does and does not "have knowledge" of this race.

2. There are a bunch of cavemen in motorsport who cannot handle losing to a woman. I've worked with quite a few of them. They are, of course, free to delude themselves however they wish, but it's just rationalization that occurs as a defense mechanism to avoid a bruised ego.

I'm no fan of Danica, and I think given the situation she was in for the majority of her IndyCar career she should have achieved much more. But my opinion of her as a driver is completely irrelevant to this discussion. She won a race legitimately, one which was no less meaningful and no less a "real" race by any definition than any other she competed in during her career. You can try to minimize it with misogynistic bollocks all you want, but rest assured, your definition of reality has absolutely no connection to what actually happened.
 
2012-11-19 01:21:42 PM

Ed_Severson: Wow, is that wrong


You could say that about every post from steamingpile in this thread
 
2012-11-19 01:50:24 PM
Lay off steamingpile. Everybody knows it's all in good fun.
 
2012-11-19 01:52:16 PM
Meh since the guys who race NCTS full time and race NNWS part time take points in trucks and the Cup guys take their points in Cup to finish top 10 in NNWS you need to A) start every race and B) Finish a majority of them.

That's now a series where wins or top 5s are a better indicator of talent than points standing.

Looks like on average 12-13 entrants of any race weren't taking points in the series. So ~31 drivers after points per race and as someone said up above half of those aren't in every race.

She's not a terrible driver, though she does make some mistakes and her temper seems misplaced a lot which isn't going to win her many races when coupled with her talent, but she brings in sponsors and can finish races most of the time so she'll be around for a while and will pick up a couple wins in the next few years I'd imagine.
 
2012-11-19 03:47:03 PM

JerseyTim: dletter: Actually Kournikova was actually 8th in the world at one point. So, making that comparison with her doesn't hold much water.

Also, isn't the Nationwide Series like the "AAA" of NASCAR? I don't know if there is a comparable tour in Women's Tennis, but, that actually makes Patrick less comparable to Kournikova.

But, Kournikova never won a tournament, and at least Patrick has won an Indy Car race.

Kournikova was also ranked #1 in doubles and won multiple titles, including two Austrailian Opens.


And was way hotter. And Linda Cohn haaaated her for being so hot and good.
 
2012-11-19 03:58:09 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Meh since the guys who race NCTS full time and race NNWS part time take points in trucks and the Cup guys take their points in Cup to finish top 10 in NNWS you need to A) start every race and B) Finish a majority of them.

That's now a series where wins or top 5s are a better indicator of talent than points standing.

Looks like on average 12-13 entrants of any race weren't taking points in the series. So ~31 drivers after points per race and as someone said up above half of those aren't in every race.

She's not a terrible driver, though she does make some mistakes and her temper seems misplaced a lot which isn't going to win her many races when coupled with her talent, but she brings in sponsors and can finish races most of the time so she'll be around for a while and will pick up a couple wins in the next few years I'd imagine.


She could have been a solid contender in IndyCar if she'd stayed. Might even have a few more wins on record, as Andretti seemed a lot stronger than recent years past.

As it is, she honestly needs one more year in Nationwide. I'm still quite unsure of her moving up to Cup, as she hasn't exactly set the world on fire in Nationwide yet. That said, her results this year aren't totally indicative of her efforts. Her obvious faux-pas aside, there were quite a few moments where she had decent and/or stellar performances denied her due to circumstances completely out of her control (like being anywhere in the vicinity of Jacques Villenueve).
 
2012-11-19 04:51:19 PM

MattyFridays: jpo2269: Wow, a top 10 in the minor leagues... Time for a parade!

Might wanna research the guy who won the minor league two years ago. heard he's good or something.


Winning the minor league does not equal finishing 10th in the standings. #1 is 9 places higher than #10.
 
2012-11-19 06:02:47 PM
The reason that some people (normal people and other drivers) don't like her has nothing to do with her gender. It has to do with the attention she gets. She's Tebow without the wins. Let's say you're Austin Dillon. Who, you might ask, as I didn't know who he was until I looked him up. He had 2 wins, 16 top 5's and 27 top 10 finishes. Anyone not familiar with the NW series would have no clue who he is. If you watched ESPN and you didn't catch one of his two wins the mention of him would have been at best passing, whereas she didn't even finish the said race and got a full segment.

She had more points than a whopping three other drivers that started all 33 races. That puts her around the bottom third of people who raced full time in the series. Why would that make other racers want to put her into the wall? Beating her by three laps draws no mention, putting her into the wall guarantees you'll get mentioned on SportsCenter.

She wants to have it both ways. She wants to be known as a great driver who also models. However she is better at modelling, despite her lack of a chest.

Is it sexist? Absolutely. If her name was Dan Patrick she wouldn't even get mentioned at all in the press. Oddly enough, people that are better than her think they should get more recognition than the "model who drives".
 
2012-11-19 06:30:57 PM

mjbok: The reason that some people (normal people and other drivers) don't like her has nothing to do with her gender. It has to do with the attention she gets. She's Tebow without the wins. Let's say you're Austin Dillon. Who, you might ask, as I didn't know who he was until I looked him up. He had 2 wins, 16 top 5's and 27 top 10 finishes. Anyone not familiar with the NW series would have no clue who he is. If you watched ESPN and you didn't catch one of his two wins the mention of him would have been at best passing, whereas she didn't even finish the said race and got a full segment.

She had more points than a whopping three other drivers that started all 33 races. That puts her around the bottom third of people who raced full time in the series. Why would that make other racers want to put her into the wall? Beating her by three laps draws no mention, putting her into the wall guarantees you'll get mentioned on SportsCenter.

She wants to have it both ways. She wants to be known as a great driver who also models. However she is better at modelling, despite her lack of a chest.

Is it sexist? Absolutely. If her name was Dan Patrick she wouldn't even get mentioned at all in the press. Oddly enough, people that are better than her think they should get more recognition than the "model who drives".


That's more ESPN's fault than anything else, because, for whatever reason, they're going to spend their whole time either hyping you up or tearing you down if it means that they don't have to ask whomever's commentating to risk derping their way through actual commentary or facts.

They did that mess a lot when they were heavily covering IndyCar. Fortunately, the people covering IndyCar now and their NASCAR crew don't do it nearly as much, because they can find other things to talk about.
 
2012-11-19 06:37:32 PM

Clutch2013: That's more ESPN's fault than anything else, because, for whatever reason, they're going to spend their whole time either hyping you up or tearing you down if it means that they don't have to ask whomever's commentating to risk derping their way through actual commentary or facts.


Very true, but it's seeped into the culture through her GoDaddy stuff. If you asked someone who knew nothing about racing to name a driver, nine times out of ten it's going to come back as her. Golf it's Tiger. Basketball Lebron. Football Tebow or Favre.
 
2012-11-19 06:55:57 PM
I'm not sure how many Nationwide Series drivers compete for the championship. The earlier argument about it being AAA ball is not exactly accurate. It's quite an anomoly. It's like AAA ball, if major leaguers came into about 75% of the games, and only 5 or 6 minor leaguers were there fighting against them.

Basically, I'd be hard pressed to name 10 full-time Nationwide series drivers. Sadler.. Leffler.. Uh.. one of those Roush guys? Stanehouse? Danica.
 
2012-11-19 09:10:22 PM

mc_madness: srhp29: Yeah, not sure what you mean Subby...Kournikova was in the Top 10...but she was competing against other women.

Against actual athletes. NASCAR is just a vehicle turning in circles - a sport for the retarded, inbred.


Congratulations! You are the first to end up on my ignore list.
 
2012-11-19 10:15:49 PM

Clutch2013: Care to share with us some of these people you've spoken with? Or are they highly confidential, protected sources (re: bloggers)? Or perhaps you can tell us how you're so sure of yourself. I mean, given that Ed actually works in IndyCar and has for quite some time...


Most of the people I know are on the supply side and are in tents with the owners before the race days, most dont like her but realize shes good for the sport, its why you hear all the PC speak about her. Shes not considered a top driver but good for marketing, besides there are numerous better female drivers out there but they get no press at all.

tertletertle: Yep, that's seven 500 mile races and six top-ten finishes (even a podium)... So about that "every other race she has been in she usually finishes outside the top 10" statement." How's that working for you now?


Ummm 7 races out of how many for that period again? Usually 17 or so per season depending on sponsors, thats not a good argument for refuting my "usually outside the top 10" statement, if anything you make it more true.

relaxitsjustme: You could say that about every post from steamingpile in this thread


Dont get mad because people are honest

jaylectricity: Lay off steamingpile. Everybody knows it's all in good fun.


People never get the point and scream immediately by defending her when if it wasnt for her being female she would get as much attention as Boris Said.

mjbok: It has to do with the attention she gets.


Bingo, some people get it while others think we give a shiat he has a vagina.
 
2012-11-19 11:07:26 PM

steamingpile: jaylectricity: Lay off steamingpile. Everybody knows it's all in good fun.

People never get the point and scream immediately by defending her when if it wasnt for her being female she would get as much attention as Boris Said.


So are you saying it's NOT all in good fun? I said, "Lay off steamingpile." Not, "Lay off, steamingpile."

Just looking for some clarification before nap time.
 
2012-11-19 11:34:43 PM

steamingpile: Clutch2013: Care to share with us some of these people you've spoken with? Or are they highly confidential, protected sources (re: bloggers)? Or perhaps you can tell us how you're so sure of yourself. I mean, given that Ed actually works in IndyCar and has for quite some time...

Most of the people I know are on the supply side and are in tents with the owners before the race days, most dont like her but realize shes good for the sport, its why you hear all the PC speak about her. Shes not considered a top driver but good for marketing, besides there are numerous better female drivers out there but they get no press at all.


So, basically, your sources can all be summed up as people who know people who work with other people who just happen to hang around the tents before their cold passes expire. Got it.

mjbok: Clutch2013: That's more ESPN's fault than anything else, because, for whatever reason, they're going to spend their whole time either hyping you up or tearing you down if it means that they don't have to ask whomever's commentating to risk derping their way through actual commentary or facts.

Very true, but it's seeped into the culture through her GoDaddy stuff. If you asked someone who knew nothing about racing to name a driver, nine times out of ten it's going to come back as her. Golf it's Tiger. Basketball Lebron. Football Tebow or Favre.


Question is, how much of that is her fault specifically? It's not like she (or anyone else with money behind them, really) can straight up say no in an instance like that. As often as I hear the "She gets too much hype" argument, not many people stop to consider whether the problem lies with the media itself instead of Danica. Yeah, she obviously wants to get her name out there, as well she should. But I seriously doubt she suits up and climbs into that car every week thinking, "Gee, I wonder if I can get a few more photoshoots or commercials out of this." She's known for the same reason Joey Logano's known - someone's pushing them, and come hell or high water, they're going to get a return on investment somehow, someway.
 
2012-11-20 12:16:40 AM

tertletertle: steamingpile: Ed_Severson: steamingpile: Sorry, you need to do more reading on it, most of the teams did not send most of their teams over because of the long beach race and most race teams didn't want to run the race in the conditions. It should be telling that every other race she has been in she usually finishes outside the top 10, its amazing they cover her like this when there are other female drivers more deserving of coverage.

Um, yeah, about that... You sir have no idea what you are talking about. Let's just look at her Indy 500 entries:

Year Chassis Engine Start Finish Team
2005 Panoz Honda 4 4 Rahal Letterman
2006 Panoz Honda 10 8 Rahal Letterman
2007 Dallara Honda 8 8 Andretti Green Racing
2008 Dallara Honda 5 22 Andretti Green Racing
2009 Dallara Honda 10 3 Andretti Green Racing
2010 Dallara Honda 23 6 Andretti Autosport
2011 Dallara Honda 25 10 Andretti Autosport


Yep, that's seven 500 mile races and six top-ten finishes (even a podium)... So about that "every other race she has been in she usually finishes outside the top 10" statement." How's that working for you now?


I'll just leave this here:

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2012-11-20 05:59:07 AM
Danica Patrick beat Seles, Graff, Hingis, Clijsters, Capriati (etc.) in races?

jus sayin
 
2012-11-20 09:28:57 AM

Jensaarai: MFAWG: Well, I'll be curious to see how she does with a competent crew chief instead of somebody whose primary qualification is 'Dale Earnhardt's cousin'.

Still think she's a competent mid-packer capable of winning a race once in a while when circumstances are right, but she may be slightly better than that.

They dumped him a few races back. Hendrick has been loaning out top crew chiefs since then. She even had Steve farkin' Letarte on her box. (Giggity.)

It didn't make much of a difference.

She's an okay driver who will luck/be pushed into a win sooner or later, so long as she stays in top equipment long enough, which she will as long as she's sponsor-bait.


I must have missed that. Last I knew, she had Ryan Pemberton as crew chief. I still think she needs another full season in the Nationwide series before running Cup full-time, or she'll be the next Sam Hornish.

Timmy the Tumor: How the f$ck does that happen when you never win a race and wreck out half of your races?


Patrick's 2012 stat line

Wins: 0
Top-5: 0
Top-10: 4
Avg. start: 14.9
Avg. finsh: 18.9
DNF: 6

That doesn't look like she wrecked out of 16 of 33 races to me. Nice try, though.

lunchinlewis: foo monkey: She's Dale Jr with tits. Overrated. Hyped up for fans. Everything given to her. She's good enough to be there, but her "success" is a media fabrication.

Jr. probably has bigger boobs.

And Busch talent is probably about as low as it's been in a long time. Just look at Rusty's kid.


....who didn't have a ride this season and made 1 start?

steamingpile: Ed_Severson: steamingpile: Actually she was gifted an Indy car race since most drivers didn't make it over to the race which was just ran as an exhibition then given credit after she won.

There is literally nothing in that sentence that isn't wrong.

Oh yeah, people have selective amnesia about her win and ignore it was cancelled at first due to water seepage from an earthquake, drivers didn't want to race on the damages track, it was only half a field of cars, only 14 of those finished the race, she only won when two cars ran out of gas, and it was talked of being an exhibition only race before she won. The only reason it was changed was because George wanted the PR boost of having the only female driver to win an open wheel race.

She was gifted a win, in a full field she's top 10 finisher at best, thats kind of pathetic considering how much money is being thrown at that team.


Oh yes, she was gifted a win in a race that had both Ganassi cars, both Penske cars, all of her Andretti-Green teammates, and Rahal Letterman.

The teams that didn't go were the ones that probably couldn't afford it. Nevermind that of 47 cars that made a start during the 2008 season, only 18 made all the starts. And 18 cars ran the Motegi race. Gee, what a coincidence.

IDIOT. Oh sorry, did I piss on your parade of bullshiat?
 
2012-11-20 08:57:21 PM
I see she's on the market again. And amicable divorce after 7 years.

/I thought she was Catholic
 
2012-11-20 11:00:09 PM

ski9600: I see she's on the market again. And amicable divorce after 7 years.

/I thought she was Catholic


So she wont be allowed communion in EVERY Catholic church, yawn...
WAIT, SHE'S AVAILABLE!?!
 
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