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(RealClearPolitics)   Some Doctors in Oklahoma came up with a genius idea. Why not let free markets and open pricing decide medical care. Surprisingly it has led to better care, lower costs and it isn't done in a back alley and no one is fed dog food   (realclearpolitics.com) divider line 27
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2012-11-18 03:01:38 PM
11 votes:

imgod2u: The problem with averages is that it hides the low point.


www.smbc-comics.com
2012-11-18 03:03:51 PM
5 votes:
The most expensive item on their list is a Penile Prosthesis @ $15,425.00 

I hope it comes with attachments.
2012-11-18 03:15:19 PM
4 votes:

jaytkay: Next time I am hit by a bus I will carefully choose among competing emergency-care providers for the most cost-effective treatment.

Thanks for the advice, Libertarians!!


Buses don't exist in a Libertarian utopia.
2012-11-18 03:04:22 PM
4 votes:
"Before we begin your affordable vasectomy, please choose your method of pain management. for $50. We'll give you a bottle of vodka to drink, and a table leg to bite down on. For $15,000 we'll give you some nice narcotic pain killers so you don't feel a thing."
2012-11-18 02:59:28 PM
4 votes:
Rich people should harvest the organs of the poor, in order to create jobs.
2012-11-18 03:17:36 PM
3 votes:
This is a great idea. I just keep saying, make it totally free market. That way when Mitt Romney has a stroke, the neurosurgeon can decide he's not going to show up to work that day for less than $100,000,000. If he doesn't like it, he's more than welcome to spend those precious moments negotiating with one of the less than 3500 neurosurgeons that exist in the country.
2012-11-18 03:10:49 PM
3 votes:
Nothing surprising about it, Subby. An open market is almost always going to provide the consumer with the best service/goods available.
2012-11-18 03:08:59 PM
3 votes:

fluffy2097: for $50. We'll give you a bottle of vodka to drink, and a table leg to bite down on


More like "$300 surgery-grade" vodka, run through a micron filter and produced under aseptic conditions. Otherwise, you get the meningitis vodka.
2012-11-18 03:06:32 PM
3 votes:
Next time I am hit by a bus I will carefully choose among competing emergency-care providers for the most cost-effective treatment.

Thanks for the advice, Libertarians!!
2012-11-18 03:05:57 PM
3 votes:
Um, yeah, that incoherent rant brought to you by TheraFLU. Powerful crap.
2012-11-18 03:03:00 PM
3 votes:
What some Doctors may look like
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/Yes, the one on the right isn't the original
2012-11-18 03:35:58 PM
2 votes:
Meh; why worry about medical care? We're just going to blow ourselves up anyway. It's only a matter of time.

Either that; or we'll end up in one of these;

Progressive Paradise: where it is ok to censor art and media , because of teh children. And you can't defend yourself.

The authoritarian paradise; 1984, eat your heart out.

The libertarian paradise; bootstraps for your bootstraps

The facist paradise; foreigners and Jews cause all the problems

And, last, but not least Theocracy!

/ let's all sing the doom song
2012-11-18 03:27:52 PM
2 votes:

UsikFark: The most expensive item on their list is a Penile Prosthesis @ $15,425.00 

I hope it comes with attachments.


randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com
2012-11-18 03:16:46 PM
2 votes:
Open pricing is a nice step forward, but this still isn't as beneficial as a true single-payer system would be.

Health care should not be a for-profit business.

With a true single payer system it would be easy to control costs, just state in law that all licensed medical facilities must accept MediCare for 100% of all procedures, and accept whatever MediCare pays as 100% fulfillment of the bill. Then, you just set the amount MediCare pays to make services affordable. Set an MRI at $500, fitting a cast at $100, complex surgery at $100/hr, etc, and set the prices MediCare will pay for drugs and that becomes all the pharmaceutical companies can ask.

Everyone is covered, costs are reduced, and hospitals will be forced to become more efficient to stay in business. Salaries for doctors, surgeons, and administrators will likely go down, but it would be for the common good.
2012-11-18 03:06:34 PM
2 votes:

UsikFark: The most expensive item on their list is a Penile Prosthesis @ $15,425.00 

I hope it comes with attachments.


Like a hair trigger...?
2012-11-18 03:01:02 PM
2 votes:

Bonzo_1116: Yeah, what happens if you need the surgery but don't have the cash (either from your own pocket or through insurance)?


Then you are poor and get your organs harvested. DERP
2012-11-18 08:10:25 PM
1 votes:
"One reason our prices are so low," says Smith, "is that we don't have administrators running around in their four or five thousand dollar suits."

i1189.photobucket.com
2012-11-18 04:57:02 PM
1 votes:

jshine: k1j2b3: I looked it up. MRI machines cost between $1M and $3M. Do you know how many MRIs you'd have to do to recoup costs if you charged only $500 per MRI?

Not hard to calculate: $2000000/$500=4000 scans. At 1 hour per scan, assuming you used the machine for 8 hours/day, it would take 500 days to recoup the cost. Assuming it sits idle on weekends (i.e., not located in a hospital, but in a private radiology office), that's 100 work-weeks -- almost 2 years exactly. That's a very reasonable amount of time, actually.


Oh great... here comes another libtard with his "math" to try to make his point.

Why is it so hard for you libs to understand that no country can provide free healthcare for its citizens. It's impossible. That's why it's never been tried.
And don't start with the "They do it in Canada"... that's complete bullshiat... everyone knows that Canada isn't even a real place.
2012-11-18 04:02:00 PM
1 votes:

scavenger: Rich people should harvest the organs of the poor, in order to create jobs.


... and delicious organ dishes.
2012-11-18 03:45:47 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: iheartscotch: Meh; why worry about medical care? We're just going to blow ourselves up anyway. It's only a matter of time.

Either that; or we'll end up in one of these;

Progressive Paradise: where it is ok to censor art and media , because of teh children. And you can't defend yourself.

The authoritarian paradise; 1984, eat your heart out.

The libertarian paradise; bootstraps for your bootstraps

The facist paradise; foreigners and Jews cause all the problems

And, last, but not least Theocracy!

/ let's all sing the doom song

Dude. Put down the bong....


No, no. He's hearting teh Scotch today.
2012-11-18 03:37:11 PM
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Meh; why worry about medical care? We're just going to blow ourselves up anyway. It's only a matter of time.

Either that; or we'll end up in one of these;

Progressive Paradise: where it is ok to censor art and media , because of teh children. And you can't defend yourself.

The authoritarian paradise; 1984, eat your heart out.

The libertarian paradise; bootstraps for your bootstraps

The facist paradise; foreigners and Jews cause all the problems

And, last, but not least Theocracy!

/ let's all sing the doom song


Dude. Put down the bong....
2012-11-18 03:25:18 PM
1 votes:
Other brilliant articles right next to it at Reason.

Lance Armstrong Cheated to Win. Why is that Wrong?
FEMA: Welfare Masquerading as Disaster Relief


fark that.
2012-11-18 03:17:42 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: crazytrain: Open pricing would be a huge win for consumers. Just think of a travelocity-like site for commodity medical procedures and services. Show the prices for each provider along with a review. Sometimes I can find a way better airfare deal by traveling 90 minutes to the next closest city - would totally do the same for some types of medical services, but that's just me.

The problem is that most expensive medical services are usually in emergent or urgent care where you don't really have the luxury of shopping around.
This idea works well for elective procedures - not so good for any sort of emergency care, trauma, or expensive chronic treatment such as chemotherapy where the costs will always exceed the means of any average person.

Poor individuals should simply choose not to have cancer if they cannot afford it.


Now, for $100, I'll blast you with the malfunctioning microwave for an hour. For $500,000, I'll bring in a certified oncologist and properly calibrated equipment.
2012-11-18 03:10:01 PM
1 votes:

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: crazytrain: Open pricing would be a huge win for consumers. Just think of a travelocity-like site for commodity medical procedures and services. Show the prices for each provider along with a review. Sometimes I can find a way better airfare deal by traveling 90 minutes to the next closest city - would totally do the same for some types of medical services, but that's just me.

The problem is that most expensive medical services are usually in emergent or urgent care where you don't really have the luxury of shopping around.
This idea works well for elective procedures - not so good for any sort of emergency care, trauma, or expensive chronic treatment such as chemotherapy where the costs will always exceed the means of any average person.


Poor individuals should simply choose not to have cancer if they cannot afford it.
2012-11-18 03:01:57 PM
1 votes:
"One reason our prices are so low," says Smith, "is that we don't have administrators running around in their four or five thousand dollar suits."


It will never work. Those people are indispensible.
2012-11-18 02:59:41 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, what happens if you need the surgery but don't have the cash (either from your own pocket or through insurance)?
2012-11-18 02:57:33 PM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: They do that here in Canada, too. I can jump to the front of any waiting list just by ponying up a little extra dough.

Some people... poor people... have a problem with this; to me, it's just capitalism in action.


Let them eat cake, Sir.
 
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