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(KPTV Portland)   Gays getting married are the real economy booster. "Wedding-related spending for in-state couples is projected be about $16 million in Maine, $63 million in Maryland and $89 million in Washington." FABULOUS tag too busy getting fitted for a dress   (kptv.com) divider line 83
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2012-11-18 03:13:52 PM  
Dress?
 
2012-11-18 03:14:37 PM  
Eh, I saw that Simpsons episode .
 
2012-11-18 03:15:22 PM  
Hmmm, maybe if I go gay, I can get hitched? :-)
 
2012-11-18 03:16:24 PM  
Yeah, now we just have to legalize weed...
 
2012-11-18 03:18:27 PM  
Gays have every, EVERY right to be as miserable as straight people
 
2012-11-18 03:18:50 PM  
It puts more green in the blue. The blue being my pants.

/I hear by legalize gay money! I mean marriage
 
2012-11-18 03:20:25 PM  
My brother married his 20-years' partner last year.

My friends are teasing me for always dropping "my brother-in-law" into conversations.
 
2012-11-18 03:20:48 PM  
Good for Christmas too
www.stevestenzel.com
 
2012-11-18 03:20:52 PM  
Can't wait for the numbers from marijuana legalization.
 
2012-11-18 03:22:34 PM  
oh please the cost in medical and mental health for gays is such a drag on the economy
 
2012-11-18 03:23:51 PM  

amquelbettamin: Good for Christmas too
[www.stevestenzel.com image 300x318]


I am highly amused by that picture.
 
2012-11-18 03:25:19 PM  
What was that money doing before gay marriage?
 
2012-11-18 03:26:11 PM  

Waldo Pepper: oh please the cost in medical and mental health for gays is such a drag on the economy


0/10
 
2012-11-18 03:26:22 PM  

jaytkay: My brother married his 20-years' partner last year.

My friends are teasing me for always dropping "my brother-in-law" into conversations.



A friend of mine called me the day after the election and wanted to know how I'd gotten my ordination, years ago. Turns out one of his daughters is gay and she'd been waiting for the law to pass here in MD so she could marry her partner. The day after we passed prop 6 here in MD she asked her daddy to officiate the ceremony for her. I thought that was adorable, and they're an adorable family in general.
 
2012-11-18 03:26:23 PM  
Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.
 
2012-11-18 03:27:21 PM  

cwick: Yeah, now we just have to legalize weed...


Been there. Done that.


/in WA
 
2012-11-18 03:28:08 PM  

ladyfortuna: amquelbettamin: Good for Christmas too
[www.stevestenzel.com image 300x318]

I am highly amused by that picture.


Guy on left looks like a cubby elf
 
2012-11-18 03:29:01 PM  
Dress? I know a number of married gay couples, and both the men and the ladies went with the tux option. I'm sure femmie types may differ.
 
2012-11-18 03:29:32 PM  

Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.



0/10
Go away, troll.
 
2012-11-18 03:29:43 PM  

Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.


Go on.....
 
2012-11-18 03:33:10 PM  

Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.


What would those be? Haters having heart attacks and strokes when the leg. passes?
 
2012-11-18 03:35:50 PM  

Wrencher: Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.

What would those be? Haters having heart attacks and strokes when the leg. passes?


I do not know. I have, however, been assured that legalizing same-sex marriage will be disastrous for society, so I am certain that opponents of such legalization, assuming that they are intellectually honest and forthcoming in their stated motivations, will be able to fully articulate the demonstrable harm that has already resulted.

/Just like concealed carry opponents.
 
2012-11-18 03:36:01 PM  

Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.


There was more to this post, right? Don't stop now. You got me on the edge of my seat. Tell us about these "unforeseen detrimental consequences".
 
2012-11-18 03:38:45 PM  

BronyMedic: Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.

There was more to this post, right? Don't stop now. You got me on the edge of my seat. Tell us about these "unforeseen detrimental consequences".


Unfortunately, I am still waiting for opponents of same-sex marriage to explain them to me. I will, however, inform you as soon they have been described and demonstrated.
 
2012-11-18 03:39:07 PM  

Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.


I heard the worse that happened was dudes finding wedding dresses in their size so they had to call Vera Wang.
 
2012-11-18 03:40:01 PM  
cdn.inquisitr.com 

Not really. I have a gay friend in the midst of a divorce. It's just as sad as a straight one.
 
2012-11-18 03:40:02 PM  

Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-18 03:40:14 PM  

Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.


Well done.
 
2012-11-18 03:42:13 PM  

NetOwl: Waldo Pepper: oh please the cost in medical and mental health for gays is such a drag on the economy

0/10


You need to tune up your pun meter :-)
 
2012-11-18 03:42:20 PM  

Dimensio: I do not know. I have, however, been assured that legalizing same-sex marriage will be disastrous for society, so I am certain that opponents of such legalization, assuming that they are intellectually honest and forthcoming in their stated motivations, will be able to fully articulate the demonstrable harm that has already resulted.


You almost got me! Good one!
 
2012-11-18 03:44:51 PM  
I've never seen the [FABULOUS] tag around -- maybe it's still stuck in the closet?
 
2012-11-18 04:00:00 PM  
I am very glad that gays now enjoy the full benefits of equal protection under the law. It is a good thing from a moral and legal standpoint.

From an economic standpoint, though, $89,000,000 represents about .025% of Washington's GDP, so calling it the "real economy booster" is a fabulous bit of hyperbole. Not that it's bad, just that it really doesn't amount to much.
 
2012-11-18 04:01:11 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: What was that money doing before gay marriage?



Well, obviously it was either being hoarded or being spent on sham straight marriages. Either way, it was just not being spent correctly. And as to the detrimental effects of gay marriage, it's just as obvious that the next step will be cats and dogs living together, while New York explodes like an over-stuffed Twinkie.
 
2012-11-18 04:03:53 PM  
that's cause gays are snapping up all the good jobs. what with their conversational skills and ability to produce drug-free urine
 
2012-11-18 04:07:40 PM  

funkonomics: Hmmm, maybe if I go gay, I can get hitched? :-)


You have to start by returning my phone-calls.
 
2012-11-18 04:07:42 PM  

Dimensio: BronyMedic: Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.

There was more to this post, right? Don't stop now. You got me on the edge of my seat. Tell us about these "unforeseen detrimental consequences".

Unfortunately, I am still waiting for opponents of same-sex marriage to explain them to me. I will, however, inform you as soon they have been described and demonstrated.


Traditional marriage was destroyed in those places.

Now that the gays can get married, divorce rates for god-fearing straight couples are around 150%, and Celine Dion is required to make a persona appearance at each straight wedding. Hockey was outlawed in Canada becaue hockey sticks are (mostly) straight, which explains why there will never be an NHL again. The CFL can continue, but when players pat each other on the butt, law requires they count to three before they release their grip.

The national sport is now soccer.

Everyone in Canada has abortions now, including the men, and Stephen Harper has sex with both the bride and the groom on their weddng night, just to be fair. Electrical outlets were declared homophobic. Now, 10% of them are just prongs sticking out of the wall, and you have to run around to the other side to plug in your juicer.

Everyone in the entire country is required by law to have Ellen Page's haircut. Everyone.

Driving while straight is cause to be pulled over and ticketed on a trumped up charge. This has led to a black market industry of young male hookers who will hide under the driver seat and pleasure you while you drive in case the fuzz stops you.

A law currently being debated would outlaw all public displays of affection by straight people, on the grounds that "girls have cooties."

Everyone has AIDS, too, but straight people get to have their worst fears realized when the are injected by the socialist government with Secret AIDS, or SAIDS.

I think the Bible was banned, too, but no one noticed. I'll have to look into that.

Anyway, America, this is your future if you allow gay marriage. 150% divorce rates, tickets for not having sex while driving, and lots of people who look like Ellen Page. Prepare yourselves.
 
2012-11-18 04:08:02 PM  

SkerriNinja: [cdn.inquisitr.com image 302x400] 

Not really. I have a gay friend in the midst of a divorce. It's just as sad as a straight one.


I've heard from many a lawyer that the gay divorces are 10 times more vicious than they straight ones. It's almost like they're making up for lost time.
 
2012-11-18 04:08:15 PM  
Gay-zilla
 
2012-11-18 04:12:32 PM  

Martonio: I've heard from many a lawyer that the gay divorces are 10 times more vicious than they straight ones. It's almost like they're making up for lost time.


How many lawyers? How many divorces?

Normally I would say you are an ignorant asshole making up numbers. But apparently you have credible well-documented figures. Please share!
 
2012-11-18 04:17:32 PM  

cherryl taggart: Just another Heartland Weirdass: What was that money doing before gay marriage?


Well, obviously it was either being hoarded or being spent on sham straight marriages. Either way, it was just not being spent correctly. And as to the detrimental effects of gay marriage, it's just as obvious that the next step will be cats and dogs living together, while New York explodes like an over-stuffed Twinkie.


I wouldn't have a problem with gay marriage stimulating the economy, but it seems like bs. Seems more like robbing Peter to pork Paul. I seriously was not trolling with my original question.
 
2012-11-18 04:17:39 PM  
Yeah, like no one foresaw this... Just wait a few years until the gay divorces start. Lawyers must be walking around with dollar signs in their eyes.
 
2012-11-18 04:20:59 PM  

Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.


Who gives a fark? Do you think liberty is a worthwhile pursuit? If the answer is yes, you have to agree that the government has zero business telling people who they may or may not call family.

If the answer is no, might I recommend North Korea as your next home.
 
2012-11-18 04:31:45 PM  

Rent Party: From an economic standpoint, though, $89,000,000 represents about .025% of Washington's GDP, so calling it the "real economy booster" is a fabulous bit of hyperbole. Not that it's bad, just that it really doesn't amount to much.


This same group also estimated a sales tax boost of about $5.3 million for Iowa, the actual numbers haven't even been close.

And after the initial years of being legalized the #'s drop off, what are the long term costs/benefits.
 
2012-11-18 04:35:09 PM  

phenn: Who gives a fark? Do you think liberty is a worthwhile pursuit? If the answer is yes, you have to agree that the government has zero business telling people who they may or may not call family.


You can personally call anyone your family if you want to, that was never the issue.
 
2012-11-18 04:36:09 PM  

jaytkay: Martonio: I've heard from many a lawyer that the gay divorces are 10 times more vicious than they straight ones. It's almost like they're making up for lost time.

How many lawyers? How many divorces?

Normally I would say you are an ignorant asshole making up numbers. But apparently you have credible well-documented figures. Please share!


I have 3 lawyer friends, 1 who specializes in divorce proceedings. He's dealt with 3 same sex divorces so far, and has told me the story of one couple that was so hell bent on destroying each other and their partner's financial stability that he actually enacted a cooling off period (a first for him), hoping cooler heads would prevail. Two weeks later, they sit down, and the couple is back at it, and they ratcheted it up another couple of notches.

He has said it's the nastiest thing he's ever seen...and they still haven't signed the papers and moved on, like most normal and spurned people would.
 
2012-11-18 04:36:26 PM  

Martonio: SkerriNinja: [cdn.inquisitr.com image 302x400] 

Not really. I have a gay friend in the midst of a divorce. It's just as sad as a straight one.

I've heard from many a lawyer that the gay divorces are 10 times more vicious than they straight ones. It's almost like they're making up for lost time.


I don't know about that; my experience is limited to one gay friend (a child of a divorced family) getting divorced from another person (another child of multiple divorces). This is a very common scenario in straight people as well. (I always felt weird growing up being the one kid with happily married parents.)

Your mileage may vary, but it seems like you are unfairly quantifying gays as catty biatches who enjoy a good fight.
 
2012-11-18 04:39:00 PM  
And I see that you responded as I was typing. Carry on.
 
2012-11-18 04:41:27 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: phenn: Who gives a fark? Do you think liberty is a worthwhile pursuit? If the answer is yes, you have to agree that the government has zero business telling people who they may or may not call family.

You can personally call anyone your family if you want to, that was never the issue.


Tax incentives, insurance benefits, hospital visitation rights, child adoption....

Marriage isn't about calling someone something, and some of you farks want to make it so you can have this stuff with someone you love while othrs aren't allowed to.

You're in favor of big, fat, overreaching government.
 
2012-11-18 04:42:57 PM  

Dimensio: BronyMedic: Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.

There was more to this post, right? Don't stop now. You got me on the edge of my seat. Tell us about these "unforeseen detrimental consequences".

Unfortunately, I am still waiting for opponents of same-sex marriage to explain them to me. I will, however, inform you as soon they have been described and demonstrated.


cache.gawker.com
 
2012-11-18 04:43:35 PM  

Prof. Frink: funkonomics: Hmmm, maybe if I go gay, I can get hitched? :-)

You have to start by returning my phone-calls.


Maybe if you weren't always calling from a blocked number, while drink.
 
2012-11-18 04:48:39 PM  

shintochick: Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.

I heard the worse that happened was dudes finding wedding dresses in their size so they had to call Vera Wang.


hehehehehhe, you said wang, hehehehe
 
2012-11-18 04:50:53 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: phenn: Who gives a fark? Do you think liberty is a worthwhile pursuit? If the answer is yes, you have to agree that the government has zero business telling people who they may or may not call family.

You can personally call anyone your family if you want to, that was never the issue.


Bool sheet. The government should have absolutely no authority to create separate and unequal classes of individual. Marriage restrictions seek to do precisely that and for no good reason. Certainly nothing constitutional.

Give me one good reason why same-gendered couples should not enjoy the same rights and privileges as opposite-gendered couples. Just one. Go ahead. I will wait.
 
2012-11-18 04:51:40 PM  

NetOwl: You're in favor of big, fat, overreaching government.


What is stopping you from having your marriage without it being recongized by the "overreaching" government.
 
2012-11-18 04:58:02 PM  

Rent Party: I am very glad that gays now enjoy the full benefits of equal protection under the law. It is a good thing from a moral and legal standpoint.

From an economic standpoint, though, $89,000,000 represents about .025% of Washington's GDP, so calling it the "real economy booster" is a fabulous bit of hyperbole. Not that it's bad, just that it really doesn't amount to much.


well you know how those gays like to be fabulous!
 
2012-11-18 05:04:00 PM  
So they weren't spending that money on something else before?
 
2012-11-18 05:15:49 PM  

phenn: Just one. Go ahead. I will wait.


Well since you put it that way, you'll continue to wait until you can act like an adult.
 
2012-11-18 05:27:58 PM  

jaytkay: Martonio: I've heard from many a lawyer that the gay divorces are 10 times more vicious than they straight ones. It's almost like they're making up for lost time.

 
How many lawyers? How many divorces?
 
Normally I would say you are an ignorant asshole making up numbers. But apparently you have credible well-documented figures. Please share!
 
FWIW, I have heard that from lawyers, couples counselors, and couples themselves, both together and split up.  They tend to have very vicious and unpleasant break ups.  However, also from the same people, I have heard that once the dust settles and they've moved on, there tends to be no lingering rancor, as is fairly typical with straight couples.  Nasty break ups, but no grudges afterward. 
 
It is anecdotal, and a generalization and obviously not a universal truth, but I have heard it from enough people with first hand experience to consider the validity of the observation.  
 
Besides, there is no reason to think that gay couples are going to behave exactly as straight couples do in every conceivable aspect of being in a relationship, now, is there? 
 
2012-11-18 05:34:41 PM  
1) you're assuming homosexuals weren't celebrating their "" anyways, in which case the net spending will be far lower then the article is assuming.

2) The article makes no attempt to differentiate (pun intended) between stocks and flows. So the article, and the comments, are: "Hooray, for gay marriage! we're such good people for supporting this. Way better then those people who oppose us" dressed up as something meaningful.
 
2012-11-18 05:36:56 PM  
I already knew this was a result of the legalization of gay marriage. When Massachusetts became the first state to allow gay marriage, Massachusetts could have gotten A LOT of in-state and out-of-state economy boosting money by allowing out-of-state gay marriages, but Mitt Romney and his totally "pro-gay" views decided to invoke a decades old law from the miscegenation era to keep loving gay couples from other states coming to Massachusetts to get married. Mitt Romney put his absolutely ridiculous Mormonite views over the very real millions of extra dollars Massachusetts would have gotten when it legalized gay marriage. This is the guy we almost elected, "for the economy".

This, and as soon as 2005 and again in 2007 California could have legalized gay marriage if it hadn't been vetoed by the Republican Govenator Arnold. I remember during one of those times that Arny said that gay marriage should be decided by the "people". His lack of understanding of the principles America was founded on makes sense because he wasn't even born in America. The people shouldn't be in control of the basic human rights of other people, because very often you encounter the "two wolves and a sheep voting what's for dinner" scenario. In addition, all his vetos accomplished was that gays had to wait years before they could get lawfully married, and it kept California from being the first state to allow gay marriage and to allow out-of-state gay couples to marry there. It might have avoided the whole California budget crisis, or at least lessened it. Sure it probably would have been blocked by an amendment too, but it would have taken longer to ban and the benefits to the economy would have been greater. And then, during the crisis, the Prop 8 campaign brought in several out-of-state donors such as the mormons who were fighting for the privilege of being seen as against equality, which the mormon church can add to its history of fighting black equality. As far as I know, those donations went into the state economy via the ads, but they could have donated all that money to the poor and did what Jesus actually told them to do, donating to a good cause that is incontrovertibly moral, and allowed gay marriage to continue bringing even more money to California that it desperately needed at the time.

In the last election, Republicans desperately tried to make the election about the economy, and not about social issues. But not only did Mitt Romney's ideas on the economy suck, these republicans have shown they put controversial social issues above the economy. If they try to make their campaign centered around the economy in later elections, they also need to show they are with the times with social issues, because these people do not put their money where their mouth is. When they have to pick between banning gay marriage and benefiting the economy, they will pick the former.
 
2012-11-18 05:37:33 PM  

SkerriNinja: [gaydivorcecourt] 

Not really. I have a gay friend in the midst of a divorce. It's just as sad as a straight one.


uboachan.net 

As to the earlier poster referring the the damage and devastation legalizing gay marriage has wrought across the once proud and noble Great White North it's all true.

Cats and dogs living together in sin, rains of toads, entire communities turned into pillars of salt or just taken out by a well aimed lightening bolts, Ginormous Stay-Puft Marshmallow Men cruising the country side crushing all in their path, the works.

The Liberal-lameStream LSM Media is keeping the Real Truthiness from leaking across the border, of course, but I'mma hiding behind 7 proxy servers at the moment so I should be pretty safe just getting this one message ou....

*****CARRIERLOST*****CARRIERLOST*****
 
2012-11-18 05:56:23 PM  

Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.


general equilibrium analysis is quite beyond those people.
 
2012-11-18 06:14:25 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.

general equilibrium analysis is quite beyond those people.


Perhaps, then, you could provide a demonstration of the actual harm that had resulted from legal recognition of same-sex unions. I am certain that, if opponents of such legal recognition are not shamelessly and unrepentantly dishonest, they will be able to document the negative consequences that have occurred in Canada, Massachusetts as a result of legal same-sex marriage.
 
2012-11-18 06:32:49 PM  

Dimensio: Hunter_Worthington: Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.

general equilibrium analysis is quite beyond those people.

Perhaps, then, you could provide a demonstration of the actual harm that had resulted from legal recognition of same-sex unions. I am certain that, if opponents of such legal recognition are not shamelessly and unrepentantly dishonest, they will be able to document the negative consequences that have occurred in Canada, Massachusetts as a result of legal same-sex marriage.


Well, our politicians are babbling on about the rights of gays instead of dealing with the economic problems, you know because its easier to rile up the party base about social issues then complicated ones, so I'd say the actual harm is somewhere around $1.5 trillion annually -although, granted that depends on the size of the out put gap.

No matter how you measure it, I'd say the cost, opportunity cost even, of this bizarre distraction is far in excess of any implied benefits.
 
2012-11-18 06:40:10 PM  
www.americkecentrum.cz
 
2012-11-18 06:44:14 PM  

jaytkay: My brother married his 20-years' partner last year.

My friends are teasing me for always dropping "my brother-in-law" into conversations.


That's awesome.
 
2012-11-18 06:58:51 PM  
No shiat. When more people are able to do something, more money comes from it. It's like Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, when the Ferengi finally realized that they had a massive untapped source of profits in the female population.
 
2012-11-18 07:16:02 PM  
An Oregon paper writes about Portland, ME?
 
2012-11-18 07:36:39 PM  
Next up, divorce lawyers making big bucks on Gay marriages ending. And the cycle continues.
 
2012-11-18 07:56:36 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: Dimensio: Hunter_Worthington: Dimensio: Supporters of same-sex marriage often discuss the supposed benefits of legalizing same-sex marriage, but never is discussed the unforseen detrimental consequences that inevitably result from this legalization, such as what has occurred in Massachusetts and in Canada.

general equilibrium analysis is quite beyond those people.

Perhaps, then, you could provide a demonstration of the actual harm that had resulted from legal recognition of same-sex unions. I am certain that, if opponents of such legal recognition are not shamelessly and unrepentantly dishonest, they will be able to document the negative consequences that have occurred in Canada, Massachusetts as a result of legal same-sex marriage.

Well, our politicians are babbling on about the rights of gays instead of dealing with the economic problems, you know because its easier to rile up the party base about social issues then complicated ones, so I'd say the actual harm is somewhere around $1.5 trillion annually -although, granted that depends on the size of the out put gap.

No matter how you measure it, I'd say the cost, opportunity cost even, of this bizarre distraction is far in excess of any implied benefits.


Conservatives could easily remedy the problem by not discussing same-sex marriage, or by conceding it. Therefore, based on your argument, opponents of same-sex marriage are causing the only "harm" that you have described.

Are you able to identify any actual "harm" that results from legal recognition of same-sex marriage?
 
2012-11-18 07:57:17 PM  
Haven't people been saying for years... legalize pot and gay marriage, save the economy? This seems like a no brainer. I think my gay friends enjoy weddings WAY more than I do.
 
2012-11-18 08:08:17 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-18 09:29:09 PM  
Seriously Las Vegas, let's get this done already.
 
2012-11-18 09:45:23 PM  
I just wish marriage itself would be banned. It is a ridiculous outdated custom.
 
2012-11-18 10:43:58 PM  

kmramki: NetOwl: Waldo Pepper: oh please the cost in medical and mental health for gays is such a drag on the economy

0/10

You need to tune up your pun meter :-)


D'oh!

I'd give you a sarcastic negative score, but I'm a sucker for puns.
 
2012-11-18 11:19:50 PM  
What I don't understand of opponents to gay marriage is :why do you care?
If you don't like gay marriage, don't have one.
 
2012-11-18 11:24:25 PM  

Martonio: jaytkay: Martonio: I've heard from many a lawyer that the gay divorces are 10 times more vicious than they straight ones. It's almost like they're making up for lost time.

How many lawyers? How many divorces?

Normally I would say you are an ignorant asshole making up numbers. But apparently you have credible well-documented figures. Please share!

I have 3 lawyer friends, 1 who specializes in divorce proceedings. He's dealt with 3 same sex divorces so far, and has told me the story of one couple that was so hell bent on destroying each other and their partner's financial stability that he actually enacted a cooling off period (a first for him), hoping cooler heads would prevail. Two weeks later, they sit down, and the couple is back at it, and they ratcheted it up another couple of notches.

He has said it's the nastiest thing he's ever seen...and they still haven't signed the papers and moved on, like most normal and spurned people would.


Thanks for clarifying.

When you say "many a lawyer" you mean one lawyer.

When you say "gay divorces are 10 times more vicious:" you mean one particular divorce.

Anecdote data
 
2012-11-19 02:30:18 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: Rent Party: From an economic standpoint, though, $89,000,000 represents about .025% of Washington's GDP, so calling it the "real economy booster" is a fabulous bit of hyperbole. Not that it's bad, just that it really doesn't amount to much.

This same group also estimated a sales tax boost of about $5.3 million for Iowa, the actual numbers haven't even been close.

And after the initial years of being legalized the #'s drop off, what are the long term costs/benefits.


I don't think Iowa's a fair example. The total population is fairly small.
 
2012-11-19 02:51:43 AM  

Arkanaut: I've never seen the [FABULOUS] tag around -- maybe it's still stuck in the closet?


With Vanna White, no less.
 
2012-11-19 02:53:07 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: What was that money doing before gay marriage?


cherryl taggart: Well, obviously it was either being hoarded or being spent on sham straight marriages. Either way, it was just not being spent correctly. And as to the detrimental effects of gay marriage, it's just as obvious that the next step will be cats and dogs living together, while New York explodes like an over-stuffed Twinkie.


Are you a god?
 
2012-11-19 02:58:21 AM  

NetOwl: Tax incentives, insurance benefits, hospital visitation rights, child adoption....


DrewCurtisJr: What is stopping you from having your marriage without it being recongized by the "overreaching" government.


The answer to your question was in the part of his post you ignored.

Wikipedia has a longer list, but you already ignored your answer once.
 
2012-11-19 08:12:05 AM  

ciberido: NetOwl: Tax incentives, insurance benefits, hospital visitation rights, child adoption....

DrewCurtisJr: What is stopping you from having your marriage without it being recongized by the "overreaching" government.

The answer to your question was in the part of his post you ignored.

Wikipedia has a longer list, but you already ignored your answer once.


How can he stay indignant if he were to be informed? Intelligence has a liberal bias, it appears.
 
2012-11-19 01:45:16 PM  
boosting economy? Hetero US weddings average 23 billion dollars annually. This is a drop in the bucket. Loose change in your couch...
 
2012-11-19 02:47:56 PM  
I don't get it. The Gay pop is around 1%. If every single gay person got married, how will this be an "economy booster".

If you want to boost the economy lower taxes and deregulate. It's simple....
 
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