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(Guardian)   Empowered by the Hostess strike, the Black Friday Walmart strike begins early   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 58
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2012-11-18 04:31:03 PM  
6 votes:

hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK


Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".
2012-11-18 04:22:01 PM  
5 votes:
As the greatest philosopher, politician, businessman, and video game player to ever walk this Earth, you should take me seriously when I say that Wal-Mart is the highest form of art to ever exist.
2012-11-18 07:02:34 PM  
4 votes:
i511.photobucket.com

I'm afraid the WalMart will be quite operational when Black Friday arrives
2012-11-18 05:20:50 PM  
4 votes:

Ed_Severson: ph0rk: What else should they do? Walkouts and strikes are labor's only tool.

Walkouts and strikes can be effective for other problems, but when you complain that you aren't allowed to work enough and then you willingly give up hours, nobody is going to listen to you. You just voluntarily gave up a shift -- you're probably never going to get that shift back and somebody who shows up to work and busts his ass will get the 8 hours per week that used to be yours.


"I'm not getting enough sex."

"Well, here, let me rape you."

"No!"

"Then it's your own damned fault you're not getting enough sex!"
2012-11-18 04:33:44 PM  
3 votes:
I don't like this idea, because soon we will hear in the news of "Walmart scabs".

And Walmart scabs sound itchy and infectious if you pick them.
2012-11-18 03:33:10 PM  
3 votes:

coco ebert:

Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.


But it IS funny
2012-11-18 05:34:25 PM  
2 votes:

Great Janitor: I honestly don't get this. My first two jobs were retail jobs. I hated it. Hours sucked, pay was minimum wage, hated dealing with idiot and rude customers, got pissed everytime I came in on my day off to work a special project for the boss (building shelves in the stock room or swapping out seasonal merchandise from the holiday that just ended to the new one, or just expanding the christmas section) and the boss took credit for all of it when the DM commented to him how great that area looked. I decided that if anything was going to get better in my life, it had to be me who made the change. I could either biatch and moan to my managers until they caved into my demands or I could better myself. I did. I took a series of entry level jobs that offered to train anyone and learned a variety of skills. Went to college, got a degree that was designed to better my job prospects. Even learned how to sell swimming pools, cars and insurance. When you learn how to sell your income is unlimited. As opposed to working hourly where your income is limited to the number of hours you work.

I realized that while I could change where I worked, the place where I worked and those I worked for aren't fixed. I could in theory make the retail chain I worked for the best place to ever work with great hours and above average pay, but when it comes to jobs your boss can give you two words and you're gone (You're fired, good bye, get out). And if management changes, that great deal I worked out could die or come back to bite me in the ass. I make myself better and no manager or job can change that.

Today I am in a position where I don't have to work at a minimum wage job. My last job interview had the boss explaining to me how in one week I could earn $5,000 commission with residuals for life selling to one person. There is no reason why these Walmart employees who are complaining about low hours each week can't be spending their down time bettering themselves with added skil ...


larryfire.files.wordpress.com
2012-11-18 04:40:59 PM  
2 votes:
tbhouston
People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

except for the police who will throw them out of their house and board it up if they don't, and places with plenty of food that demand these strange green slips of paper before they'll give any of it
2012-11-18 04:30:55 PM  
2 votes:

Mike_LowELL: As the greatest philosopher, politician, businessman, and video game player to ever walk this Earth, you should take me seriously when I say that Wal-Mart is the highest form of art to ever exist.


No, sir, you are. YOU. ARE.
2012-11-18 04:25:22 PM  
2 votes:
Monday's headline "Walmart training 30 new employees"

/Every Walmart I've shopped in regularly, has had the same people there for years.

/Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK
2012-11-18 12:59:31 PM  
2 votes:

Friskya: Bontesla: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?

Obviously. Why else would they continue working there, instead of taking the first stable mucking job that came available?


Obviously. Great, stable, high paying jobs for those qualified to work at Walmart are raining like a plague upon this nation.
2012-11-19 12:27:06 AM  
1 votes:
Don't the executives at Wal-Mart understand that the world owes things to people? They were SPECIAL enough to BE BORN, for goodness' sake. Only many billions of people have ever BEEN BORN before. Can't they see how unique and special every mouth-breathing idiot that's too lazy to get a real job is? How much they DESERVE just for BEING?
2012-11-18 11:28:48 PM  
1 votes:

seadoo2006: Are you really trying to tell me that collective bargaining == collusion? REALLY?!?!?!


This is a fun thread, isn't it?
2012-11-18 10:28:30 PM  
1 votes:
Just thought I'd add: we've all worked shiatty jobs in our lives. If you're going to work a shiat job, then that's the decision you took, you knew that going in. We've all been there. But you don't take a job scraping shiat all day long, and then 2 months into it decide that it's a shiatty job with shiatty pay. It was in the job description and you knew the pay upfront. If Walmart is so beneath you, then quit. You can't work at Walmart and then pretend like you're above working at Walmart. You're not fooling anyone. You're not skilled labor, you just pass items by a scanner all day long, something a trained monkey can do. I've been a cashier myself, and I had no illusions about the value of my work at that talentless position. It is what it is, and it kept me afloat until I found something better. It's time for a reality check for these idiots that think menial labor is somehow worth $50,000.
2012-11-18 08:18:07 PM  
1 votes:
The only way I could shop less at Wal*Fart is if I took stuff I didn't buy there in and had them give me money for it.
2012-11-18 08:14:29 PM  
1 votes:

red5ish: Walmart is profitable enough to pay living wages to its employees, keeping them off the dole, but instead choose to pay less and to pocket the extra profit.


I'm pretty sure you are rich enough to feed hundreds of starving African kids, keep them from dying.
But instead, you choose to own a computer and pay for Internet access so you can make posts about how other people should give away their money....
2012-11-18 08:06:51 PM  
1 votes:
Oh goodie, its the Marie Antoinette Memorial FARK Sociopath Hour!

'fark you, I've got mine?' Yeah, I think they're done getting farked. Amazing how that works.
2012-11-18 08:05:17 PM  
1 votes:
I used to work in restaurants and had to work holidays all the time. What's the big deal? Nation of whiners.
2012-11-18 07:38:27 PM  
1 votes:

fredklein: Oh, and how crappy of a "manager" are you if you make farking minimum wage!?!?!


I assume this is like my Executive Director of Personal Assistance, who I pay $9/hour and sometimes buy a sammich.
2012-11-18 07:20:29 PM  
1 votes:

GroverCleveland: [i511.photobucket.com image 526x473]

I'm afraid the WalMart will be quite operational when Black Friday arrives


I am in awe.
2012-11-18 07:19:57 PM  
1 votes:

Mija: Good. I'm sick of Walmart encouraging it's employees to get on welfare instead of providing them with insurance and a living wage. I try not to do business with companies like that.


Walmart should replace welfare-recipient employees with prison labor. That will maximize profits and end this nonsense of society's takers thinking they have a say in what they get or what they do to serve the economy. We already have a lot of people in prison, but if we need new laws tailored to keeping the prison labor pool strong, that's the kind of support from government that entrepreneurial people like Walmart are entitled to have.
2012-11-18 07:19:34 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: so you're saying people have no right to demand to be treated well? also your assumption is rather flawed....


So take a shiatty paying job with shiatty benefits and then biatch about it? Guess that's the American way these days.
2012-11-18 06:37:18 PM  
1 votes:

DrewCurtisJr: jst3p: I say tomato, Wal-mart employee says "Hey, you gonna finish that tomato?"

Walmart employees don't look they eat a lot of fruit, unless it is in pie form or in the center of a donut.


Why is it that Target employees are far more likely to be a cute chick than Wal-mart cashiers?
2012-11-18 06:18:30 PM  
1 votes:
garotasperversas.files.wordpress.com
2012-11-18 06:02:59 PM  
1 votes:
i182.photobucket.com

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2012-11-18 06:00:09 PM  
1 votes:
I'm imagining the chaos if all of the employees at even just one store participate on black Friday. Everyone shows up for work, they let the screaming horde of crazy black Friday shoppers in, and then they just leave? No cashiers, no loss-prevention, no one to stop an unruly mass of shoppers wrapped up in mob-mentality from just loading up their carts and walking out with free 55" TVs?

I wonder how long it would take to loot the store bare, or if the police would show up to stop it in time.
2012-11-18 05:45:28 PM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: WhyteRaven74: ronaprhys: Nothing. What year did you fail history in?

While we may not call them robber barons we have plenty of people acting like them, see Papa John's.

If it weren't for the "robber barons," you wouldn't have cheap energy, free libraries, and most of what gives you one of the highest standards of living the human race has ever seen. But, go ahead and complain about them... it's edgy and in fashion, and your peers will consider you to be an intellectual.


gifrific.com
2012-11-18 05:35:48 PM  
1 votes:

Great Janitor: I honestly don't get this. My first two jobs were retail jobs. I hated it. Hours sucked, pay was minimum wage, hated dealing with idiot and rude customers, got pissed everytime I came in on my day off to work a special project for the boss (building shelves in the stock room or swapping out seasonal merchandise from the holiday that just ended to the new one, or just expanding the christmas section) and the boss took credit for all of it when the DM commented to him how great that area looked. I decided that if anything was going to get better in my life, it had to be me who made the change. I could either biatch and moan to my managers until they caved into my demands or I could better myself. I did. I took a series of entry level jobs that offered to train anyone and learned a variety of skills. Went to college, got a degree that was designed to better my job prospects. Even learned how to sell swimming pools, cars and insurance. When you learn how to sell your income is unlimited. As opposed to working hourly where your income is limited to the number of hours you work.

I realized that while I could change where I worked, the place where I worked and those I worked for aren't fixed. I could in theory make the retail chain I worked for the best place to ever work with great hours and above average pay, but when it comes to jobs your boss can give you two words and you're gone (You're fired, good bye, get out). And if management changes, that great deal I worked out could die or come back to bite me in the ass. I make myself better and no manager or job can change that.

Today I am in a position where I don't have to work at a minimum wage job. My last job interview had the boss explaining to me how in one week I could earn $5,000 commission with residuals for life selling to one person. There is no reason why these Walmart employees who are complaining about low hours each week can't be spending their down time bettering themselves with added skil ...


Everyone isn't as awesome as you are.
2012-11-18 05:35:25 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: that bosnian sniper: IlGreven: ...when it gets to the point that you'd rather starve than work at Wal-Mart, they lose the leverage.

Hey, people at Foxconn got to the point they'd rather jump out of windows than work there, and you saw what that got the workers...

Yeah: safety nets.


Which is, ironically, more than what workers at Wal-Mart are getting.
2012-11-18 05:31:21 PM  
1 votes:

cig-mkr: Why is it that the WalMarts are being singled out? Maybe because of their massive profits vs. pay scale and benefits?
Other companies are really just as bad as WalMart. Look at McDonalds, Starbucks, Target, actually most retail places. They don't have benefits or pay very well either.

.

Because when Sam was alive, the employees did have good benefits. As soon as the dirt hit his coffin, Walmart has chipped away at everything he made respectable. I worked for walmart for six years. In those six years, I saw the 90 day raise go away, the sunday pay difference go away, the "extra" raise where if you were completely excellent, you got a second raise within your year raises, benefits get worse for those that were full time.

/Once had a Corporate manager ask me why I wasn't stocking eggs through a wall.
2012-11-18 05:26:43 PM  
1 votes:

that bosnian sniper: IlGreven: ...when it gets to the point that you'd rather starve than work at Wal-Mart, they lose the leverage.

Hey, people at Foxconn got to the point they'd rather jump out of windows than work there, and you saw what that got the workers...


Yeah: safety nets.
2012-11-18 05:24:05 PM  
1 votes:

mbillips: A Day Older than Yesterday: whistleridge:
Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

I believe you're thinking of the Ames stores in the 1950's and 1960's that put a significant number of mom & pops out of business. Please study some business history before you post the well worn cliche. You may also want to read about hows malls really destroyed Main Streets in the 1960's and 1970's.

/shops at Walmart and has shopped at Toys-r-us, Barnes & Noble and Target.
//Sam Walton gave the max to Obama's Victory Fund two cycles in a row.

Sam Walton died in 1992, so I'm going to need a citation.



Good God are you helpless, that statistic was on every political article/blog/comment this week. Some refer to Sam as CEO but he's actual heir. 

Typical liberal response to an argument they can't logically discuss: 1) call someone a name like we're still in the 4th grade, 2) ask for a citation to a known or easily ascertained idea 3) lie. 

Am so tired of the "citation" call by the lazy & stupid.
2012-11-18 05:20:22 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: jshine: hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK

Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".

Psst...it actually kind of is, just pushed back a tad. See: Feast of Tabernacles


Hate to think I'm living up to the old saw that atheists know biblical versus better than religious nuts.


So how did the one stem from the other? ...or is this just a matter of "There are two feasts, and both are around harvest, so therefore the one originated with the other." I'm guessing thats it, because according to Wikipedia, the two events don't share a lot in common (no pilgrimage to Jerusalem, Thanksgiving doesn't last 7 days, etc., etc.). And if "feasting at harvest time" is the extent of the connection, then one could just as easily say that Thanksgiving originated with Oktoberfest, since -- hey -- they're both in the fall.
2012-11-18 05:18:20 PM  
1 votes:

mbillips: Sam Walton died in 1992, so I'm going to need a citation.


ACORN.

What was "Sam Walton" on paper was actually 473 Mexicans with photocopied green cards and checks forged in their names from George Soros.
2012-11-18 05:15:26 PM  
1 votes:

404 page not found: vegasj: Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said she had taken the decision to go on strike to protest the fact that she could only make around $14,000 dollars a year. Despite working as a customer service manager, she said, her family remained reliant on food stamps and other benefits. "I work full time at the richest company in the world," she said.

That is pretty sad.

full time, $14,000/yr as a manager...

and still must rely on food stamps & other benefits while working for the largest retailer in the world.

Something is wrong with that folks.


I asked myself what Cage movie that still is from, because I see it all the time and am too lazy to Google.

And lo, the answer revealed itself to me in a still, soft whisper:

"All of them"
2012-11-18 05:10:04 PM  
1 votes:

UsikFark: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

Pssh. They're going to bring in strike-busters from a correctional facility in AR.


Or maybe call Pinkerton to help with some historical reenactment.
2012-11-18 05:01:35 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: It isn't that you WILL get ahead it is that you have the opportunity to get ahead


You have the "opportunity" to beat your neighbor to death and take his television, too.
2012-11-18 05:00:56 PM  
1 votes:

Brontes: So, corporations upper management can stand united when it comes to deciding employee benefits, but employees can't stand united to decide employee benefits?


Employees dont decide what benefits they get usually. There is this point everyone seems to forget, its when you are applying for the job and they tell you what they want you to do and what they are willing to pay you in terms of wages and benefits and then you think about the work it will take and what you get for it and you then say "yes I will take this job". If you decide you made a mistake later on and feel you should get more wages or benefits you can ask for it and if they say no you can then try to find a better job. If you can't find a better job you can improve your skills and become more valuable or you can reevaluate your worth to the job-offering world and realize that at your skill level there are many others who will take your job for the current offer. This is called REALITY if you happen to be taking notes.
2012-11-18 04:52:33 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Link Article from a Federal Way, WA, newspaper.

"Between 20 and 30" Walmart employees "from six Western Washington Walmart stores" gathered at one store for this rally.

Gonna have to step it up, people.

As for you free-marketers who say, "Well, the worker CHOSE Walmart," that's like saying a starving beggar chooses the guy who flips him just a penny. Fark you all.


They simultaneously believe that you can just up and get another job on a whim while there are hundreds of others waiting to fill that position for you. There's no way these can both be true.
2012-11-18 04:50:49 PM  
1 votes:
Walmart sells ammo, that's enough reason for me to shop there.
2012-11-18 04:49:41 PM  
1 votes:
"Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said she had taken the decision to go on strike to protest the fact that she could only make around $14,000 dollars a year. Despite working as a customer service manager, she said, her family remained reliant on food stamps and other benefits. "I work full time at the richest company in the world," she said."

I would have thought those royalties from Rosanne would help keep her off food stamps
2012-11-18 04:45:35 PM  
1 votes:

jshine: hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK

Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".


www.shadowlocked.com
WAR ON CHRISTIANS™!!!
2012-11-18 04:43:03 PM  
1 votes:
I predict that it will soon be even harder to spot a helpful employee in a WalMart store.

In my experience, in addition to occupying the locations of old K-mart stores, WalMart stores have this in common with the aged chain: if you look at an employee, they disappear.

They will happly stock shelves or stand around or whatever it is that employees do when they are not working, but the moment you have a question or have made a decision and need help getting something down from twenty feet over your head, they are nowhere to be found.

Soon they will not be waiting for you to decide to buy something. They will be gone.

There is something seriously quantum mechanical going on in the giant box retail trade. Is that an employee? Look and they will either disappear or turn out to be an employee who is serving somebody else and won't be free until they are done--at which time you will look again and they will be gone or else serving another employee.

It is impossible to get servce in a service economy. I can see why some nutters want to go back to a gold-based economy, but then it would be impossible to find any gold. Gold is too useful to sit around in vaults, so I favour a fiat currency which lets it get out and do something once in a while.
GBB
2012-11-18 04:37:11 PM  
1 votes:
TFA: Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said ...

t2.gstatic.com

Really?? No one??
2012-11-18 04:27:17 PM  
1 votes:
i turned down a job at Best Buy cause unemployment pays more.
2012-11-18 04:25:19 PM  
1 votes:
WalkoutMart
2012-11-18 03:59:59 PM  
1 votes:

coco ebert: Did you go to that monstrosity they erected by the St. Thomas neighborhood?


Yup. It's widely regarded as the worst Wal-Mart in the world.

And it is.

But since Katrina, everything past Canal St. closes (there used to be plenty of 24 hour stores, but oh well). I almost went to that Rouse's in the CBD we talked about a month or so ago, but the Wally World was closer. I do live next to a gas station that's open all night, but they don't sell beer. They do sell pipes and screens, but no beer.

Point is, I can walk to Wal-Mart in about 15 minutes (think I told you I recently moved to the Irish Channel). I ride a motorcycle, so driving to Rouse's is out of the question after the first beer, which of course is when I want more.

Who in New Orleans doesn't sell beer?
2012-11-18 03:54:17 PM  
1 votes:

whistleridge: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

Wal-Mart is flat-out exploitative, and if you think otherwise, you're dreaming.


We had a huge debate here in New Orleans regarding Wal-Mart. The point of contention was that it would put the mom 'n pops up and down Magazine St. out of business. Thing is, that didn't actually happen. However, the level of service is far higher, which is why we all still shop at those places. I don't care that my trip will cost an extra $5 or so. The peace of mind is worth paying for. No, I am not even close to wealthy.

I love my local ACE store, even though they're a chain. It doesn't matter if a hammer is $2 more than the Chinese one at Wal-Mart...they take the time to help me, and all the elderly black ladies call me "dawlin.'" Always leave the store with a smile on my face, as opposed to risking a homicide charge whenever I go to Wal-Mart. You can't put a price on an intangible like that.
2012-11-18 03:22:00 PM  
1 votes:

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

Wal-Mart is flat-out exploitative, and if you think otherwise, you're dreaming.
2012-11-18 02:53:24 PM  
1 votes:

basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.


wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.
2012-11-18 02:46:41 PM  
1 votes:
And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.
2012-11-18 01:07:43 PM  
1 votes:

vartian: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Yeah, because people who work at Walmart have all these options just laid out in front of them.


Didn't you realize that they PICKED Walmart?
2012-11-18 01:00:22 PM  
1 votes:

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


Yeah, because people who work at Walmart have all these options just laid out in front of them.
2012-11-18 12:57:09 PM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?


Obviously. Why else would they continue working there, instead of taking the first stable mucking job that came available?
2012-11-18 12:53:27 PM  
1 votes:
Good for them.
2012-11-18 12:49:31 PM  
1 votes:

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?
2012-11-18 12:46:44 PM  
1 votes:
People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...
2012-11-18 12:39:27 PM  
1 votes:
Good for you employees.
/Will not be doing any Christmas shopping at Walmart anyway
 
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