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(Guardian)   Empowered by the Hostess strike, the Black Friday Walmart strike begins early   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 635
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2012-11-18 04:59:26 PM
and my spelling at work sucks.
 
2012-11-18 04:59:34 PM
Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said she had taken the decision to go on strike to protest the fact that she could only make around $14,000 dollars a year. Despite working as a customer service manager, she said, her family remained reliant on food stamps and other benefits. "I work full time at the richest company in the world," she said.

That is pretty sad.

full time, $14,000/yr as a manager...

and still must rely on food stamps & other benefits while working for the largest retailer in the world.

Something is wrong with that folks.
 
2012-11-18 05:00:12 PM

XveryYpettyZ: The central story of the United States is the idea that if you work hard, sacrifice, delay gratification, save and live frugally, in the end you will get ahead and your children will have an opportunity at a better life. Wal Mart, and other stores of their ilk, make a mockery of that ideal by having full-time employees still on public assistance. What is popularly railed-against as lazy people taking advantage of the system is often more a form of corporate welfare than one that benefits the individuals collecting the checks/food stamps/WIC vouchers, etc.


You are completely wrong about the central story of the US

It isn't that you WILL get ahead it is that you have the opportunity to get ahead


The central story is not one of entitlement and guarantees
 
2012-11-18 05:00:56 PM

Brontes: So, corporations upper management can stand united when it comes to deciding employee benefits, but employees can't stand united to decide employee benefits?


Employees dont decide what benefits they get usually. There is this point everyone seems to forget, its when you are applying for the job and they tell you what they want you to do and what they are willing to pay you in terms of wages and benefits and then you think about the work it will take and what you get for it and you then say "yes I will take this job". If you decide you made a mistake later on and feel you should get more wages or benefits you can ask for it and if they say no you can then try to find a better job. If you can't find a better job you can improve your skills and become more valuable or you can reevaluate your worth to the job-offering world and realize that at your skill level there are many others who will take your job for the current offer. This is called REALITY if you happen to be taking notes.
 
2012-11-18 05:01:20 PM

deanayer: "Empowered by the Hostess strike"?? Seriously subby?? The unions drove the company into bankruptcy and now its dead, closed, out of business, gone. There is no more strike at Hostess because there is no more Hostess.


Bullshiat.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen/2012/11/16/who-killed-hostess - brands-and-twinkies/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/18/1162786/-Inside-the-Hostess- B ankery

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/16/1162355/--Hostess-Brands-is- a -microcosm-of-what-s-wrong-with-America
 
2012-11-18 05:01:34 PM

dickfreckle: I love my local ACE store, even though they're a chain. It doesn't matter if a hammer is $2 more than the Chinese one at Wal-Mart...they take the time to help me, and all the elderly black ladies call me "dawlin.'" Always leave the store with a smile on my face, as opposed to risking a homicide charge whenever I go to Wal-Mart. You can't put a price on an intangible like that.


Apparently you can, and that price is $2.

In other news, FTFA:

The group, which is not a union but has close ties with the labour movement, is seeking to protest what it says is low pay, too few hours and retaliation by managers against workers who speak out.

Retail 101: If your complaint is "I don't get enough hours" walking out on your job isn't going to solve your problem.
 
2012-11-18 05:01:35 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: It isn't that you WILL get ahead it is that you have the opportunity to get ahead


You have the "opportunity" to beat your neighbor to death and take his television, too.
 
2012-11-18 05:01:59 PM

Great Janitor: Companies honestly can't afford to treat their employees like garbage. Do that and you lose your good employees and are left with the ones who suck. Walmart does it because they know that high school students and college students would love that part time cashiering job, not to mention adults who'd settle for a minimum wage job. Companies that actually need talented or skilled workers can't pay their people poorly and treat them badly.


Well... at least until they can find talented and skilled people willing to work for less than their American counterparts.
 
2012-11-18 05:02:03 PM
I shop there all the time. If you can't buy it at Gualmar, it's not worth buying
 
2012-11-18 05:02:25 PM

Ed_Severson: Retail 101: If your complaint is "I don't get enough hours" walking out on your job isn't going to solve your problem.


What else should they do? Walkouts and strikes are labor's only tool.
 
2012-11-18 05:02:51 PM

whatshisname: Should a company merely be a profit centre at any cost or should profits be secondary to providing a good living to employees and excellent products and services to consumers?


it doesn't have to be either or. but it should be up to the investors.
 
2012-11-18 05:03:07 PM

FarkerSnow: Strikers deserve the hero tag.


imageshack.us


Indeed.
 
2012-11-18 05:03:23 PM

LovingTeacher: coco ebert: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

As someone who studies labor markets, I can say that there really aren't that many options for "unskilled" or "low-skilled" jobs in this economy. Retailers have largely followed Wal-mart's lead and have increasingly relied on low-wage, part-time work that offers next to zero benefits. Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.

Sadly in this labor market not all of the people working at Walmartare "unskilled" or "low-skilled" workers. The simple truth is that sometimes we don't have much of a choice in where we work. Despite being educated several times in my life I've just had to take the first job that came along. This has more to do with a bad attitude towards authority in my younger days than my actual skill level.


This. I'm highly skilled in my field, but jobs in my field aren't happening right now, so I have to take spotty temp-casual jobs, and the low-skill jobs are filled by low-skilled workers. I once applied to work at a coffee shop, and was denied because there were 200 applicants applying to work as a barista. The employer can be choosy in this environment.
 
2012-11-18 05:03:29 PM

coco ebert: Awesome. Go for it, workers!


Remember- wages go up, the increase is passed onto the consumer. Win!
 
2012-11-18 05:03:30 PM

whatshisname: What happens when ALL the companies treat their employees badly?

Should a company merely be a profit centre at any cost or should profits be secondary to providing a good living to employees and excellent products and services to consumers?


Two thoughts:

1) If all the loyal, capable employees left abusive employer relationships or at least worked hard in their off time to find a way to make themselves sufficiently desirable to the workforce to do so, there would certainly be fewer bad companies turning a profit. I'm not saying you're going to free every prisoner and topple the Wal-Marts of the world, but Great Janitor is right. You're sure not going to change it from the inside. The only thing you can do it take whatever value you actually bring to the company out the door with you.

2) A good living is important, but being underpaid is not the same thing as being abused by your employer. I've definitely worked a couple of companies where I was very happy being paid less than stellar wages because they were just plain decent people who treated me fairly. (Granted, I quit to join a company that literally doubled my salary, but still. The owner is still my friend and I still contract for him in my free time because he's just the best to deal with and he made it possible for me to leave in a way that we both respect each other a lot and want each other to succeed.)

In any case, my statement was not intended for the macro level. It's individual advice. I've been there. I gave two years of my life to a company that got off on psychologically abusing their employees while demanding 20-30 hours of overtime weekly. Despite already being underpaid, I would have been better off spending that time making 20% less somewhere moderately pleasant for a mere 40 hours a week.

/ POW/MIA. My former coworkers are not forgotten.
 
2012-11-18 05:04:00 PM

jshine: hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK

Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".


it is a truly American Holiday and a day everyone living/working in the united states should be off to be thankful for all they have and for living here.
 
2012-11-18 05:04:47 PM

ronaprhys: whatshisname: What happens when ALL the companies treat their employees badly?

Well, considering that there are no more robber barons, I think it's pretty safe to say that ain't happening.


WTF is wrong with your eyes?
 
2012-11-18 05:04:50 PM

deanayer: If you can't find a better job you can improve your skills and become more valuable or you can reevaluate your worth to the job-offering world and realize that at your skill level there are many others who will take your job for the current offer.


Or you can unionize. If corporations can merge and enter joint ventures, why can't labor engage in profitable alliances?

jshine: Since I'm sure many of the Walmart workers also vote for people with an "R" next to their name, one can only assume that they're more concerned with social conservatism than with their own financial best interests.


Well... as long as you are sure about it.
 
2012-11-18 05:05:33 PM

whistleridge:
Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?




I believe you're thinking of the Ames stores in the 1950's and 1960's that put a significant number of mom & pops out of business. Please study some business history before you post the well worn cliche. You may also want to read about hows malls really destroyed Main Streets in the 1960's and 1970's.

/shops at Walmart and has shopped at Toys-r-us, Barnes & Noble and Target.
//Sam Walton gave the max to Obama's Victory Fund two cycles in a row.
 
2012-11-18 05:06:01 PM

Mike_LowELL: As the greatest philosopher, politician, businessman, and video game player to ever walk this Earth, you should take me seriously when I say that Wal-Mart is the highest form of art to ever exist.


hehe
 
2012-11-18 05:06:36 PM
I bet Target is rubbing its hands with glee...
 
2012-11-18 05:06:37 PM

Bontesla: vartian: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Yeah, because people who work at Walmart have all these options just laid out in front of them.

Didn't you realize that they PICKED Walmart?


They picked an income. Money is money, no matter where it comes from. In fact, that's why they are striking: they want more income.
 
2012-11-18 05:06:43 PM

jestme: PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: I'm stuck working at my temp call-center job on Friday, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

I will be working at Walmart. I am far from stupid or unskilled. I have another part-time job and am a full-time student. I work at Walmart because I get health insurance and other benefits despite my telling Walmart that I'll only work a couple of evenings and one weekend day each week. Oh and I've never made minimum wage there, either.


I hear it.

Work is work. Lots of people in my building having a hard time finding it elsewhere.

And we get treated pretty well for temps. Feel sorry for the folks in retail hell. At least our contacts can be put on hold when they go off.

/not above temp work or Wal-mart to earn my keep, but hoping for more
/in a few decades maybe?
 
2012-11-18 05:07:57 PM
Nothing will change until you have multiple stores with strikes like they had in the coal mines a hundred years ago. THEN people will start paying attention and ask, "god damn, are their living conditions really that desperate?"
 
2012-11-18 05:08:37 PM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: jshine: Since I'm sure many of the Walmart workers also vote for people with an "R" next to their name, one can only assume that they're more concerned with social conservatism than with their own financial best interests.

Well... as long as you are sure about it.


Given Walmart's prevalence in areas of the map that are perpetually red in elections, do you really doubt that many Walmart workers are conservatives?

...and, that's really a moot point anyway. If it really is a 99%/1% issue (or even 75%/25%), then -- regardless of which company's name is on their paychecks -- it should be clear to most people where their best interests are.
 
2012-11-18 05:09:01 PM

basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.


Pssh. They're going to bring in strike-busters from a correctional facility in AR.
 
2012-11-18 05:10:04 PM

UsikFark: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

Pssh. They're going to bring in strike-busters from a correctional facility in AR.


Or maybe call Pinkerton to help with some historical reenactment.
 
2012-11-18 05:10:30 PM

vegasj: Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said she had taken the decision to go on strike to protest the fact that she could only make around $14,000 dollars a year. Despite working as a customer service manager, she said, her family remained reliant on food stamps and other benefits. "I work full time at the richest company in the world," she said.

That is pretty sad.

full time, $14,000/yr as a manager...

and still must rely on food stamps & other benefits while working for the largest retailer in the world.

Something is wrong with that folks.


memecrunch.com
 
2012-11-18 05:10:34 PM
These fools should not qualify for Obamabucks since they are voluntarily getting themselves fired.
 
2012-11-18 05:11:10 PM

jshine: hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK

Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".


That was farking hilarious
 
2012-11-18 05:12:41 PM

vegasj: Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said she had taken the decision to go on strike to protest the fact that she could only make around $14,000 dollars a year. Despite working as a customer service manager, she said, her family remained reliant on food stamps and other benefits. "I work full time at the richest company in the world," she said.

That is pretty sad.

full time, $14,000/yr as a manager...

and still must rely on food stamps & other benefits while working for the largest retailer in the world.

Something is wrong with that folks.


Yeah. "customer service manager" is probably a bogus title for "cashier."
 
2012-11-18 05:13:26 PM

ph0rk: What else should they do? Walkouts and strikes are labor's only tool.


Walkouts and strikes can be effective for other problems, but when you complain that you aren't allowed to work enough and then you willingly give up hours, nobody is going to listen to you. You just voluntarily gave up a shift -- you're probably never going to get that shift back and somebody who shows up to work and busts his ass will get the 8 hours per week that used to be yours.
 
2012-11-18 05:13:29 PM

clowncar on fire: coco ebert: Awesome. Go for it, workers!

Remember- wages go up, the increase is passed onto the consumer. Win!


arch.413chan.net


If it means that those workers have a better life and perhaps even make enough to afford things at places other than WAL*MART, I'm all for it.

Remember, just because you fap to Ayn Rand doesn't mean that everyone does.
 
2012-11-18 05:13:32 PM

jshine: hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK

Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".


Psst...it actually kind of is, just pushed back a tad. See: Feast of Tabernacles


Hate to think I'm living up to the old saw that atheists know biblical versus better than religious nuts.
 
2012-11-18 05:13:51 PM

whistleridge: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

Wal-Mart is flat-out exploitative, and if you think otherwise, you're dreaming.


Give Walmart some credit. If a town consisted of only 20-30 small business- let's say 15 of them were retail-- do you really believe Walmart would even consider such a an economy that could only support 15 retailers?

Walmarts appear in economies where the consumers are.

I'm not denying that they don't displace the small retailers in areas where they set up shop, but the myth that they are taking over the fly over communities is wrong.
 
2012-11-18 05:14:08 PM

hbk72777: Monday's headline "Walmart training 30 new employees"

/Every Walmart I've shopped in regularly, has had the same people there for years.

/Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK


WTH? I've always celebrated Thanksgiving, because I'm American, damnit. Maybe you meant Christmas?
 
2012-11-18 05:14:21 PM

Ed_Severson: ph0rk: What else should they do? Walkouts and strikes are labor's only tool.

Walkouts and strikes can be effective for other problems, but when you complain that you aren't allowed to work enough and then you willingly give up hours, nobody is going to listen to you. You just voluntarily gave up a shift -- you're probably never going to get that shift back and somebody who shows up to work and busts his ass will get the 8 hours per week that used to be yours.


Those people are called "scabs".
 
2012-11-18 05:15:12 PM

A Day Older than Yesterday: whistleridge:
Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

I believe you're thinking of the Ames stores in the 1950's and 1960's that put a significant number of mom & pops out of business. Please study some business history before you post the well worn cliche. You may also want to read about hows malls really destroyed Main Streets in the 1960's and 1970's.

/shops at Walmart and has shopped at Toys-r-us, Barnes & Noble and Target.
//Sam Walton gave the max to Obama's Victory Fund two cycles in a row.


Sam Walton died in 1992, so I'm going to need a citation.
 
2012-11-18 05:15:26 PM

404 page not found: vegasj: Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said she had taken the decision to go on strike to protest the fact that she could only make around $14,000 dollars a year. Despite working as a customer service manager, she said, her family remained reliant on food stamps and other benefits. "I work full time at the richest company in the world," she said.

That is pretty sad.

full time, $14,000/yr as a manager...

and still must rely on food stamps & other benefits while working for the largest retailer in the world.

Something is wrong with that folks.


I asked myself what Cage movie that still is from, because I see it all the time and am too lazy to Google.

And lo, the answer revealed itself to me in a still, soft whisper:

"All of them"
 
2012-11-18 05:16:29 PM

mbillips: Yeah. "customer service manager" is probably a bogus title for "cashier."


Nah, they're the Cashier+ people who walk around, watch cashiers as they cash out their drawers and cash in, crack the whip when a given cashier gets a little slow or messes up, has to ring up booze when the cashier isn't yet 21, and handles all the little technical screw-ups with the hardware that never, ever happen because Wal-Mart provides the latest and greatest and properly maintains all its hardware.

Oh, who am I kidding. They're the assholes in red vests who stand in groups of two or three near the little podium things, keeping a hawk-eye on the one cashier out of 30+ aisles while directing traffic towards the U-scans.
 
2012-11-18 05:17:00 PM

Ed_Severson: Walkouts and strikes can be effective for other problems, but when you complain that you aren't allowed to work enough and then you willingly give up hours, nobody is going to listen to you. You just voluntarily gave up a shift -- you're probably never going to get that shift back and somebody who shows up to work and busts his ass will get the 8 hours per week that used to be yours.


Do what those pilots did then... sick-outs, work shortages, repair chit deluges... there's plenty a discontented labor force can do besides go on strike.
 
2012-11-18 05:17:02 PM

buckler: UsikFark: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

Pssh. They're going to bring in strike-busters from a correctional facility in AR.

Or maybe call Pinkerton to help with some historical reenactment.


They'll confiscate the radios and kill any strikers that approach the perimeter. The idea came to the store manager during the physical act of love.
 
2012-11-18 05:17:09 PM

Great Janitor: So, instead of making their big scene during black Friday when the stores, as planned, they are going to start early, meaning that they'll be fired by Wednesday and not have to worry about striking on Black Friday.

Honestly, if you don't like the way your company treats you, find another job. Staying there and thinking that you can change it from the inside is no different than idiot women who stay with their abusive husbands thinking that they can change them.


Right but in the interim they're still working at Walmart.

I worked for three years at an exploitive company. I finally was hired elsewhere and my salary instantly doubled, I'm working less hours, and I'm only a contract employee.

So, between having the Walmart job now and the future job they want - they have every right to strike. Further, not having the perfect job now doesn't mean they've settled for this current position.
 
2012-11-18 05:17:16 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: XveryYpettyZ: The central story of the United States is the idea that if you work hard, sacrifice, delay gratification, save and live frugally, in the end you will get ahead and your children will have an opportunity at a better life. Wal Mart, and other stores of their ilk, make a mockery of that ideal by having full-time employees still on public assistance. What is popularly railed-against as lazy people taking advantage of the system is often more a form of corporate welfare than one that benefits the individuals collecting the checks/food stamps/WIC vouchers, etc.

You are completely wrong about the central story of the US

It isn't that you WILL get ahead it is that you have the opportunity to get ahead


The central story is not one of entitlement and guarantees


Wanna know how I can tell you're an asshole?

It isn't entitlement to say if you work hard and you save and you live frugally you deserve to get ahead. That's the goddamn social compact we entered into. The fact that you can disagree with that as sounding "entitled" is a sign of how far the Republican party has fallen.
 
2012-11-18 05:17:40 PM
To those asking why that sara gilbert girl is making only 14k as a "manager" at walmart. I will explain, She is a part time employee. CSM's are not real managers, they are glorified cashier babysitters with the option of keyturn overrides.
 
2012-11-18 05:17:45 PM

Ed_Severson: ph0rk: What else should they do? Walkouts and strikes are labor's only tool.

Walkouts and strikes can be effective for other problems, but when you complain that you aren't allowed to work enough and then you willingly give up hours, nobody is going to listen to you. You just voluntarily gave up a shift -- you're probably never going to get that shift back and somebody who shows up to work and busts his ass will get the 8 hours per week that used to be yours.


Really? I think I might be more inclined to listen to the guy who says he's so upset about his lack of work that he's willing to do less work in order to draw attention to it.
 
2012-11-18 05:18:20 PM

mbillips: Sam Walton died in 1992, so I'm going to need a citation.


ACORN.

What was "Sam Walton" on paper was actually 473 Mexicans with photocopied green cards and checks forged in their names from George Soros.
 
2012-11-18 05:19:03 PM

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: 404 page not found: vegasj: Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said she had taken the decision to go on strike to protest the fact that she could only make around $14,000 dollars a year. Despite working as a customer service manager, she said, her family remained reliant on food stamps and other benefits. "I work full time at the richest company in the world," she said.

That is pretty sad.

full time, $14,000/yr as a manager...

and still must rely on food stamps & other benefits while working for the largest retailer in the world.

Something is wrong with that folks.

I asked myself what Cage movie that still is from, because I see it all the time and am too lazy to Google.

And lo, the answer revealed itself to me in a still, soft whisper:

"All of them"


lafinjack.net
 
2012-11-18 05:19:19 PM

Great Janitor:
Because the only employer is Walmart? No temp services, no restaurants or dry cleaners. No options at even self employment? Either work at Walmart or become homeless?


A lot of small towns don't have many employment options once manufacturing shuts down and Walmart drives off the Mom n Pops. In southern Illinois, where my mom (and the rest of my family) lives, the self-employment market is over-saturated with people doing freelance handyman work, lawn care, auto detailing, selling puppies and/or meth, etc. They're not making enough to pay the bills, much less save up enough cash to move where the jobs are.
 
2012-11-18 05:19:27 PM

vartian: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Yeah, because people who work at Walmart have all these options just laid out in front of them.


Hey, if working for Wal*Mart is the best that these folks can do...

1 - I sorta feel sorry for them.

2 - They should try to make the best of it.

3 - There are equivalent positions at Home Depot, Lowes, various food stores, Target etc. It's hard to get on in a bad economy, but not impossible. They could at least try to get a better job.

4 - They should be grateful that SOMEBODY took them in. Below Walmart level employment would probably be a bunch of dangerous, difficult, backbreaking horror-jobs. Thank you Wal*Mart for saving these people 'from certain peril'
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