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(Guardian)   Empowered by the Hostess strike, the Black Friday Walmart strike begins early   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 635
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2012-11-18 04:40:59 PM  
tbhouston
People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

except for the police who will throw them out of their house and board it up if they don't, and places with plenty of food that demand these strange green slips of paper before they'll give any of it
 
2012-11-18 04:41:56 PM  
Good. As an actual libertarian (note the small L), labor has just as much of a right to organize as capital. Free market and all that.
 
2012-11-18 04:42:21 PM  
So, instead of making their big scene during black Friday when the stores, as planned, they are going to start early, meaning that they'll be fired by Wednesday and not have to worry about striking on Black Friday.

Honestly, if you don't like the way your company treats you, find another job. Staying there and thinking that you can change it from the inside is no different than idiot women who stay with their abusive husbands thinking that they can change them.
 
2012-11-18 04:42:51 PM  
One of the guys from the Merita bakery picket line came in the shop yesterday and asked if we were hiring, my apprentice asked him if he knew how to make kerfing (the one apprentice job she truly loathes) he looked at her blankly so she sighed and shooed him out the door, by the end of the day 3 more came in, all (unfortunately for my poor abused underling) had no idea what kerfing was.

/128 people lost their jobs when that plant closed
//The local Wally worlds won't have much problem replacing any who walk off
//my apprentice is grumbling about how I am making her work thanksgiving, she has to help cook the turkey then play fiddle in the after dinner jam session
 
2012-11-18 04:43:03 PM  
I predict that it will soon be even harder to spot a helpful employee in a WalMart store.

In my experience, in addition to occupying the locations of old K-mart stores, WalMart stores have this in common with the aged chain: if you look at an employee, they disappear.

They will happly stock shelves or stand around or whatever it is that employees do when they are not working, but the moment you have a question or have made a decision and need help getting something down from twenty feet over your head, they are nowhere to be found.

Soon they will not be waiting for you to decide to buy something. They will be gone.

There is something seriously quantum mechanical going on in the giant box retail trade. Is that an employee? Look and they will either disappear or turn out to be an employee who is serving somebody else and won't be free until they are done--at which time you will look again and they will be gone or else serving another employee.

It is impossible to get servce in a service economy. I can see why some nutters want to go back to a gold-based economy, but then it would be impossible to find any gold. Gold is too useful to sit around in vaults, so I favour a fiat currency which lets it get out and do something once in a while.
 
2012-11-18 04:43:26 PM  
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
2012-11-18 04:43:47 PM  

RanDomino: tbhouston
People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

except for the police who will throw them out of their house and board it up if they don't, and places with plenty of food that demand these strange green slips of paper before they'll give any of it


Because the only employer is Walmart? No temp services, no restaurants or dry cleaners. No options at even self employment? Either work at Walmart or become homeless?
 
2012-11-18 04:44:44 PM  
Good for chaos.
 
2012-11-18 04:44:46 PM  
Sorry, I meant to say that they were serving another customer rather than another employee.

But the more I look at it, the more sense it makes the way I typed it.

Never mind.
 
2012-11-18 04:44:55 PM  
I don't care if the rest of the employees walk out on Friday. All i want to know is if Elvis will be working that day.

/he works at the Walmart near me.
//really he does.
///I've seen him, he looks the same.
 
2012-11-18 04:45:08 PM  

Great Janitor: Honestly, if you don't like the way your company treats you, find another job. Staying there and thinking that you can change it from the inside is no different than idiot women who stay with their abusive husbands thinking that they can change them.


^^^ This.

If you're at a company that treats you badly, do whatever you need to do to get out. Life is too short, and if the pay was good enough to justify it, you wouldn't feel like you needed to justify it anymore.
 
2012-11-18 04:45:35 PM  

jshine: hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK

Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".


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WAR ON CHRISTIANS™!!!
 
2012-11-18 04:45:52 PM  
Fine....go on strike...worked well for Hostess, Eastern Airlines, the auto manufacturers and countless other UNION shops. Yes, Wally world isn't union, but there are a lot of unions that want a piece of the walmart pie. In this Obama economy, I wouldn't be so quick to go on a strike. With 9+% unemployment, there are a LOT of people that would be willing to have that "low wage" job, even without benefits.
Yes, there have been downsizing due to the economy, but, you have to stop and ask yourself something.
Unless you are in high school, college, or are retired, you have to ask yourself something. Why are you only qualified to work a minimum wage job, (even if the economy was good)?
No one forces you to work at a particular job, quit, go somewhere else.
 
2012-11-18 04:47:43 PM  
14K for a manager is pretty farking low, seriously. And I'm sure that the workers get much less. Good for them, maybe their walk out will accomplish something.
 
2012-11-18 04:47:52 PM  
Last time someone tried this, WAL*MART closed the store rather than allow unions.

But they can't afford to close stores in 10 states and DC.

Go for it, workers! Stand up for your rights.
 
2012-11-18 04:47:56 PM  

p51d007: Fine....go on strike...worked well for Hostess, Eastern Airlines, the auto manufacturers and countless other UNION shops. Yes, Wally world isn't union, but there are a lot of unions that want a piece of the walmart pie. In this Obama economy, I wouldn't be so quick to go on a strike. With 9+% unemployment, there are a LOT of people that would be willing to have that "low wage" job, even without benefits.
Yes, there have been downsizing due to the economy, but, you have to stop and ask yourself something.
Unless you are in high school, college, or are retired, you have to ask yourself something. Why are you only qualified to work a minimum wage job, (even if the economy was good)?
No one forces you to work at a particular job, quit, go somewhere else.


You see, these two statements are directly at odds with each other.
 
2012-11-18 04:48:09 PM  

XveryYpettyZ: make a mockery of that ideal by having full-time employees still on public assistance.


yeah being in the military, married with a couple of kids sucks big time.
 
2012-11-18 04:48:18 PM  
jshine
Maybe its the labor market saying "there are too many workers"?

Well let's just get rid of a few million of them, right?

Or maybe the problem isn't the number of workers, but the fact that most of the gains in productivity over the past several decades have been taken as profit by the business-owning class, rather than used to actually benefit humanity.

Capitalism- what other system can actually have a "crisis of overproduction"? That's right! Everyone's homeless and starving because we're TOO PRODUCTIVE! (and so the market is saturated and it's hard for investors/owners/managers to get returns by increasing sales, so they start cutting costs- wages and employment- to keep quarterly profits going up) Who still thinks this is a good idea, ffs??
 
2012-11-18 04:48:20 PM  
"Empowered by the Hostess strike"?? Seriously subby?? The unions drove the company into bankruptcy and now its dead, closed, out of business, gone. There is no more strike at Hostess because there is no more Hostess.
 
2012-11-18 04:48:46 PM  

brantgoose: There is something seriously quantum mechanical going on in the giant box retail trade. Is that an employee? Look and they will either disappear or turn out to be an employee who is serving somebody else and won't be free until they are done--at which time you will look again and they will be gone or else serving another employee.


You're right. I went ballistic on Best Buy after I went in to buy a tablet and, despite the store being nearly empty, could not find a single employee who wanted to open the case that day.

Drove to the mall and bought it from a store there. Best Buy sent me a $20 gift card by way of apology.
 
2012-11-18 04:49:41 PM  
"Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said she had taken the decision to go on strike to protest the fact that she could only make around $14,000 dollars a year. Despite working as a customer service manager, she said, her family remained reliant on food stamps and other benefits. "I work full time at the richest company in the world," she said."

I would have thought those royalties from Rosanne would help keep her off food stamps
 
2012-11-18 04:49:51 PM  
Link Article from a Federal Way, WA, newspaper.

"Between 20 and 30" Walmart employees "from six Western Washington Walmart stores" gathered at one store for this rally.

Gonna have to step it up, people.

As for you free-marketers who say, "Well, the worker CHOSE Walmart," that's like saying a starving beggar chooses the guy who flips him just a penny. Fark you all.
 
2012-11-18 04:49:52 PM  

coco ebert: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

As someone who studies labor markets, I can say that there really aren't that many options for "unskilled" or "low-skilled" jobs in this economy. Retailers have largely followed Wal-mart's lead and have increasingly relied on low-wage, part-time work that offers next to zero benefits. Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.


Speaking as someone in one of those low-paying jobs, though admittedly I'm better off because of a narrow but much needed skill set withing this industry, the major box stores have been forever moving toward the wal-mart example, while at the same time trying to figure out why their turnover was so high. Recently the twits in charge of my current company hit on the idea of paying a decent wage and giving benefirts to full-time employees. After 3 years of biatching about wanting full time and benefits, I fianlly have a good paying 2nd job(not full time, though), that I don't want to stop(side benefits and such), I am in college for engineering, and I have my own start-up design business. They are just now going to full time for the majority of employees. And they wonder why I don't want to quit college and my other job.

/wait a minute, the job landscape will change
 
2012-11-18 04:50:27 PM  
I bet there are college students lined up to get some part time holiday work.
 
2012-11-18 04:50:49 PM  
Walmart sells ammo, that's enough reason for me to shop there.
 
2012-11-18 04:50:51 PM  

p51d007: No one forces you to work at a particular job, quit, go somewhere else


Why do you hate it when people innovate to better their lot?

mbillips: Farmers and factory workers between 1870 and 1940 had it WAY worse than Wal-Mart employees today.


People in 1870 had it bad, so let's cut everyone's pay to what people made in 1880!
 
2012-11-18 04:51:17 PM  

Great Janitor: So, instead of making their big scene during black Friday when the stores, as planned, they are going to start early, meaning that they'll be fired by Wednesday and not have to worry about striking on Black Friday.

Honestly, if you don't like the way your company treats you, find another job. Staying there and thinking that you can change it from the inside is no different than idiot women who stay with their abusive husbands thinking that they can change them.


Yep. Management is already on the phone to the next batch of applicants on the stack. Some stock boys will be given a crash course in register ops, the freshmeat will be consigned to dragging pallet jacks through the store at oh-fark-thirty in the morning but they will be ecstatic that they will be getting a paycheck.
 
2012-11-18 04:51:19 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: 14K for a manager is pretty farking low, seriously. And I'm sure that the workers get much less. Good for them, maybe their walk out will accomplish something.


My sister is a manager at a Claire's store and makes way the hell more than that. If she has management experience, why the hell is she at Walmart and not spending her time off applying for manager jobs at every other retail company in a 30 mile radius?
 
2012-11-18 04:51:20 PM  

Great Janitor: So, instead of making their big scene during black Friday when the stores, as planned, they are going to start early, meaning that they'll be fired by Wednesday and not have to worry about striking on Black Friday.

Honestly, if you don't like the way your company treats you, find another job. Staying there and thinking that you can change it from the inside is no different than idiot women who stay with their abusive husbands thinking that they can change them.


And this guy should know, he's a Great Janitor!
 
2012-11-18 04:51:21 PM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: I'm stuck working at my temp call-center job on Friday, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...


I will be working at Walmart. I am far from stupid or unskilled. I have another part-time job and am a full-time student. I work at Walmart because I get health insurance and other benefits despite my telling Walmart that I'll only work a couple of evenings and one weekend day each week. Oh and I've never made minimum wage there, either.
 
2012-11-18 04:51:36 PM  

jshine: 404 page not found: jshine: hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK

Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".

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WAR ON CHRISTIANS™!!!

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That is glorious.
 
2012-11-18 04:52:00 PM  

Great Janitor: RanDomino: tbhouston
People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

except for the police who will throw them out of their house and board it up if they don't, and places with plenty of food that demand these strange green slips of paper before they'll give any of it

Because the only employer is Walmart? No temp services, no restaurants or dry cleaners. No options at even self employment? Either work at Walmart or become homeless?


In a lot of rural communities, yeah. There are other employers, but the local retail economy, which typically has a fair amount of new hiring, consists of Wal-Mart and very little else.
 
2012-11-18 04:52:13 PM  

proteon: Good for chaos.


Let the Lord of Chaos rule?
 
2012-11-18 04:52:23 PM  

freewill: ^^^ This.

If you're at a company that treats you badly, do whatever you need to do to get out. Life is too short, and if the pay was good enough to justify it, you wouldn't feel like you needed to justify it anymore.



What happens when ALL the companies treat their employees badly?

Should a company merely be a profit centre at any cost or should profits be secondary to providing a good living to employees and excellent products and services to consumers?
 
2012-11-18 04:52:33 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Link Article from a Federal Way, WA, newspaper.

"Between 20 and 30" Walmart employees "from six Western Washington Walmart stores" gathered at one store for this rally.

Gonna have to step it up, people.

As for you free-marketers who say, "Well, the worker CHOSE Walmart," that's like saying a starving beggar chooses the guy who flips him just a penny. Fark you all.


They simultaneously believe that you can just up and get another job on a whim while there are hundreds of others waiting to fill that position for you. There's no way these can both be true.
 
2012-11-18 04:54:05 PM  

Friskya: Jon iz teh kewl: i turned down a job at Best Buy cause unemployment pays more.

You sound Democrat.


Because if you continued to collect unemployment, you were in violation of unemployment regulations and lied on your weekly statement by turning down work.
 
2012-11-18 04:54:28 PM  
Great Janitor
Honestly, if you don't like the way your company treats you, find another job.

You sound "robotics graduate from Texas"y.

Because the only employer is Walmart? No temp services, no restaurants or dry cleaners. No options at even self employment? Either work at Walmart or become homeless?

Precarious workers have a wide selection of low-paying and dehumanizing jobs.


GranoblasticMan
You see, these two statements are directly at odds with each other.

The secret code is "Shut up and work harder, serf!"


deanayer
The unions drove the company into bankruptcy

The managers gave themselves 80% pay raises last year.
 
2012-11-18 04:54:44 PM  

GranoblasticMan: They simultaneously believe that you can just up and get another job on a whim while there are hundreds of others waiting to fill that position for you. There's no way these can both be true.


They are if your initials are F.Y.I.G.M.
 
2012-11-18 04:54:59 PM  
Strikers deserve the hero tag.
 
2012-11-18 04:55:12 PM  
Wal-Mart has over 2 million employees worldwide. I don't think a few hundred strikers are going to be missed.
 
2012-11-18 04:55:46 PM  

Mael99: Friskya: Jon iz teh kewl: i turned down a job at Best Buy cause unemployment pays more.

You sound Democrat.

Because if you continued to collect unemployment, you were in violation of unemployment regulations and lied on your weekly statement by turning down work.


Know how I know you've never read the details about unemployment?

/You aren't required to take a job that would net you less money than your unemployment checks.
 
2012-11-18 04:56:55 PM  
Most of the "big box" stores keep their employees down to 20 hours a week, so as not to pay full time benefits.

That also means I have to pay food stamps for people who would not need them otherwise, and every time I see a line at every register and 12--18 registers closed, I walk out, leaving the merchandise in the cart.

Doesn't do a damn bit of good but it makes me feel better.
 
2012-11-18 04:57:20 PM  

Bontesla: Friskya: Bontesla: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?

Obviously. Why else would they continue working there, instead of taking the first stable mucking job that came available?

Obviously. Great, stable, high paying jobs for those qualified to work at Walmart are raining like a plague upon this nation.


If you are qualified to work at Walmart, I doubt there will any high paying jobs out there that share the same skill set.
 
2012-11-18 04:57:21 PM  

deanayer: "Empowered by the Hostess strike"?? Seriously subby?? The unions drove the company into bankruptcy and now its dead, closed, out of business, gone. There is no more strike at Hostess because there is no more Hostess.


You sure about that?
 
2012-11-18 04:58:02 PM  

Bontesla: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?


Must love it enough to stay. But then, who in America love their jobs anyway. Fewer than you might believe. But they stay for their own reasons. Mind you, Wal*Mat is not a very fun place to work. I'd start looking for a better job a week after hiring on.
 
2012-11-18 04:58:08 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: p51d007: No one forces you to work at a particular job, quit, go somewhere else

Why do you hate it when people innovate to better their lot?

mbillips: Farmers and factory workers between 1870 and 1940 had it WAY worse than Wal-Mart employees today.

People in 1870 had it bad, so let's cut everyone's pay to what people made in 1880!


I don't want to go back to 1870s economics. I want to go back to post-WWII consensus economics (strong unions, and lots of government investment in people and infrastructure). Basically, get a time machine and tell Hinckley to buy something more powerful than a .22 (I keed, assassins suck, except maybe for Czolgosz).
 
2012-11-18 04:58:27 PM  

whatshisname: freewill: ^^^ This.

If you're at a company that treats you badly, do whatever you need to do to get out. Life is too short, and if the pay was good enough to justify it, you wouldn't feel like you needed to justify it anymore.


What happens when ALL the companies treat their employees badly?

Should a company merely be a profit centre at any cost or should profits be secondary to providing a good living to employees and excellent products and services to consumers?


Are you honestly so pessimistic as to think that all companies will one day treat their employees badly? I have a job right now with great hours, great bonuses, wonderful pay and the two company events I've been to the higher ups paid out of their pocket, the money for us lower level people to eat $30 steak dinners with open bar and dessert.

Companies honestly can't afford to treat their employees like garbage. Do that and you lose your good employees and are left with the ones who suck. Walmart does it because they know that high school students and college students would love that part time cashiering job, not to mention adults who'd settle for a minimum wage job. Companies that actually need talented or skilled workers can't pay their people poorly and treat them badly.
 
2012-11-18 04:59:03 PM  

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


which means since you choose to live in this country you have no right to protest any of the laws
 
2012-11-18 04:59:04 PM  

RanDomino: jshine
Maybe its the labor market saying "there are too many workers"?

Well let's just get rid of a few million of them, right?

Or maybe the problem isn't the number of workers, but the fact that most of the gains in productivity over the past several decades have been taken as profit by the business-owning class, rather than used to actually benefit humanity.

Capitalism- what other system can actually have a "crisis of overproduction"? That's right! Everyone's homeless and starving because we're TOO PRODUCTIVE! (and so the market is saturated and it's hard for investors/owners/managers to get returns by increasing sales, so they start cutting costs- wages and employment- to keep quarterly profits going up) Who still thinks this is a good idea, ffs??



Since the US is a democratic republic, it is possible for the large masses of workers -- if they feel they are being treated unfairly -- to simply raise taxes on the wealthy and/or businesses (or alter any other laws & regulations through their elected representatives) to rectify any perceived injustice. The fact that this isn't happening is what I find mysterious. Since I'm sure many of the Walmart workers also vote for people with an "R" next to their name, one can only assume that they're more concerned with social conservatism than with their own financial best interests.

...but hey, its a free country. If you'd rather stick it to the gays and teenage mothers and keep building up a bloated military (using the credit card) than raise taxes on the upper class, then that's your right as a voter, I suppose.

Democracy gives people exactly the government they want and exactly the government they deserve -- for better or worse.
 
2012-11-18 04:59:17 PM  

whatshisname: What happens when ALL the companies treat their employees badly?


Well, considering that there are no more robber barons, I think it's pretty safe to say that ain't happening.

Should a company merely be a profit centre at any cost or should profits be secondary to providing a good living to employees and excellent products and services to consumers?

Good companies balance both, but the tipping point is remaining profitable. Not profit at any cost, but maintaining the same level of profit on increased sales (typically with slightly higher margins or at least increased dollars).
 
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