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(Guardian)   Empowered by the Hostess strike, the Black Friday Walmart strike begins early   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 635
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2012-11-18 12:39:27 PM
Good for you employees.
/Will not be doing any Christmas shopping at Walmart anyway
 
2012-11-18 12:46:44 PM
People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...
 
2012-11-18 12:49:31 PM

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?
 
2012-11-18 12:53:27 PM
Good for them.
 
2012-11-18 12:57:09 PM

Bontesla: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?


Obviously. Why else would they continue working there, instead of taking the first stable mucking job that came available?
 
2012-11-18 12:59:31 PM

Friskya: Bontesla: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?

Obviously. Why else would they continue working there, instead of taking the first stable mucking job that came available?


Obviously. Great, stable, high paying jobs for those qualified to work at Walmart are raining like a plague upon this nation.
 
2012-11-18 01:00:22 PM

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


Yeah, because people who work at Walmart have all these options just laid out in front of them.
 
2012-11-18 01:07:43 PM

vartian: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Yeah, because people who work at Walmart have all these options just laid out in front of them.


Didn't you realize that they PICKED Walmart?
 
2012-11-18 02:46:41 PM
And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.
 
2012-11-18 02:53:24 PM

basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.


wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.
 
2012-11-18 03:14:38 PM
Awesome. Go for it, workers!
 
2012-11-18 03:17:07 PM

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


As someone who studies labor markets, I can say that there really aren't that many options for "unskilled" or "low-skilled" jobs in this economy. Retailers have largely followed Wal-mart's lead and have increasingly relied on low-wage, part-time work that offers next to zero benefits. Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.
 
2012-11-18 03:22:00 PM

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

Wal-Mart is flat-out exploitative, and if you think otherwise, you're dreaming.
 
2012-11-18 03:33:10 PM

coco ebert:

Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.


But it IS funny
 
2012-11-18 03:37:13 PM

Bontesla: Good for you employees.
/Will not be doing any Christmas shopping at Walmart anyway


I had to go there recently because it was the only store open that late, and I desperately needed something.

I'm not trying to pull a hipster dislike of the store; I genuinely despise going there and feel like I'm at the cusp of a heart attack each minute I'm there. Crotchfruit everywhere, muffin-tops, women beating their children...

Anyway, I'm proud of the workers for even planning a walk-out, but at the same time, they have to work or starve. Wal-Mart knows they have this leverage, unless all the employees planning to walk out have spouses that can support them.
 
2012-11-18 03:44:08 PM
So, corporations upper management can stand united when it comes to deciding employee benefits, but employees can't stand united to decide employee benefits?
 
2012-11-18 03:48:10 PM

Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.


Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.
 
2012-11-18 03:53:42 PM

dickfreckle: Bontesla: Good for you employees.
/Will not be doing any Christmas shopping at Walmart anyway

I had to go there recently because it was the only store open that late, and I desperately needed something.

I'm not trying to pull a hipster dislike of the store; I genuinely despise going there and feel like I'm at the cusp of a heart attack each minute I'm there. Crotchfruit everywhere, muffin-tops, women beating their children...

Anyway, I'm proud of the workers for even planning a walk-out, but at the same time, they have to work or starve. Wal-Mart knows they have this leverage, unless all the employees planning to walk out have spouses that can support them.


Did you go to that monstrosity they erected by the St. Thomas neighborhood?
 
2012-11-18 03:54:17 PM

whistleridge: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

Wal-Mart is flat-out exploitative, and if you think otherwise, you're dreaming.


We had a huge debate here in New Orleans regarding Wal-Mart. The point of contention was that it would put the mom 'n pops up and down Magazine St. out of business. Thing is, that didn't actually happen. However, the level of service is far higher, which is why we all still shop at those places. I don't care that my trip will cost an extra $5 or so. The peace of mind is worth paying for. No, I am not even close to wealthy.

I love my local ACE store, even though they're a chain. It doesn't matter if a hammer is $2 more than the Chinese one at Wal-Mart...they take the time to help me, and all the elderly black ladies call me "dawlin.'" Always leave the store with a smile on my face, as opposed to risking a homicide charge whenever I go to Wal-Mart. You can't put a price on an intangible like that.
 
2012-11-18 03:54:17 PM

One Bad Apple: coco ebert:

Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.

But it IS funny


Really? I don't say that out of self-righteousness, because sometimes funny is just funny, I just am not getting the humor angle to it.
 
2012-11-18 03:55:31 PM

coco ebert: Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.


But it is incredibly Libertarian.
 
2012-11-18 03:59:59 PM

coco ebert: Did you go to that monstrosity they erected by the St. Thomas neighborhood?


Yup. It's widely regarded as the worst Wal-Mart in the world.

And it is.

But since Katrina, everything past Canal St. closes (there used to be plenty of 24 hour stores, but oh well). I almost went to that Rouse's in the CBD we talked about a month or so ago, but the Wally World was closer. I do live next to a gas station that's open all night, but they don't sell beer. They do sell pipes and screens, but no beer.

Point is, I can walk to Wal-Mart in about 15 minutes (think I told you I recently moved to the Irish Channel). I ride a motorcycle, so driving to Rouse's is out of the question after the first beer, which of course is when I want more.

Who in New Orleans doesn't sell beer?
 
2012-11-18 04:09:29 PM

basemetal: Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.

Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.


it costs more than most people realize. not merely in terms of training but in terms of lost revenue, lost consumer confidence and time.
 
2012-11-18 04:18:59 PM
I haven't bought anything on black friday in 4 or 5 years. WHO CARES!
 
2012-11-18 04:22:01 PM
As the greatest philosopher, politician, businessman, and video game player to ever walk this Earth, you should take me seriously when I say that Wal-Mart is the highest form of art to ever exist.
 
2012-11-18 04:23:12 PM
I'm stuck working at my temp call-center job on Friday, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...
 
2012-11-18 04:23:44 PM
Good. I'm sick of Walmart encouraging it's employees to get on welfare instead of providing them with insurance and a living wage. I try not to do business with companies like that.
 
2012-11-18 04:25:17 PM

Weaver95: basemetal: Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.

Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.

it costs more than most people realize. not merely in terms of training but in terms of lost revenue, lost consumer confidence and time.


Not to mention that actually staffing a new position is done by people in management positions, which takes up their time at their salaries. It's expensive to replace even a Wal-Mart Greeter.

Regarding this strike, my thought is that it's going to be a net-negative for labour in general. Not because it's a bad thing that they're doing - IMO, it's not - but because Wal-Mart is going to win, which will set a precedent going forward in future labour actions. Things aren't going to improve until enough people have been directly impacted by the changing business climate and realize how dangerous it is becoming.
 
2012-11-18 04:25:19 PM
WalkoutMart
 
2012-11-18 04:25:21 PM

basemetal: Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.

Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.


The union knows that, and that's why they're not doing a full-out strike. They're doing brief, targeted walkouts, which bleeds Wal-Mart, but doesn't get to the point where Wal-Mart would save money by firing the workers and hiring new ones.

If the Hostess unions had been as smart, you might still be able to buy Twinkies (probably not; that company was so mismanaged and overleveraged that labor problems were the least of it).
 
2012-11-18 04:25:22 PM
Monday's headline "Walmart training 30 new employees"

/Every Walmart I've shopped in regularly, has had the same people there for years.

/Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK
 
2012-11-18 04:27:17 PM
i turned down a job at Best Buy cause unemployment pays more.
 
2012-11-18 04:28:50 PM
Online black friday shopping is so much better.
 
2012-11-18 04:30:47 PM

coco ebert: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

As someone who studies labor markets, I can say that there really aren't that many options for "unskilled" or "low-skilled" jobs in this economy. Retailers have largely followed Wal-mart's lead and have increasingly relied on low-wage, part-time work that offers next to zero benefits. Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.


Sadly in this labor market not all of the people working at Walmartare "unskilled" or "low-skilled" workers. The simple truth is that sometimes we don't have much of a choice in where we work. Despite being educated several times in my life I've just had to take the first job that came along. This has more to do with a bad attitude towards authority in my younger days than my actual skill level.
 
2012-11-18 04:30:55 PM

Mike_LowELL: As the greatest philosopher, politician, businessman, and video game player to ever walk this Earth, you should take me seriously when I say that Wal-Mart is the highest form of art to ever exist.


No, sir, you are. YOU. ARE.
 
2012-11-18 04:31:02 PM
Fark WalMart. Welcome to your first day on the job, here's a packet telling you how to apply for TANF and WIC because the Walton heirs need more Gulfstreams.
 
2012-11-18 04:31:03 PM

hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK


Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".
 
2012-11-18 04:32:08 PM
The central story of the United States is the idea that if you work hard, sacrifice, delay gratification, save and live frugally, in the end you will get ahead and your children will have an opportunity at a better life. Wal Mart, and other stores of their ilk, make a mockery of that ideal by having full-time employees still on public assistance. What is popularly railed-against as lazy people taking advantage of the system is often more a form of corporate welfare than one that benefits the individuals collecting the checks/food stamps/WIC vouchers, etc.
 
2012-11-18 04:33:44 PM
I don't like this idea, because soon we will hear in the news of "Walmart scabs".

And Walmart scabs sound itchy and infectious if you pick them.
 
2012-11-18 04:34:56 PM

XveryYpettyZ: The central story of the United States is the idea that if you work hard, sacrifice, delay gratification, save and live frugally, in the end you will get ahead and your children will have an opportunity at a better life. Wal Mart, and other stores of their ilk, make a mockery of that ideal by having full-time employees still on public assistance. What is popularly railed-against as lazy people taking advantage of the system is often more a form of corporate welfare than one that benefits the individuals collecting the checks/food stamps/WIC vouchers, etc.


Maybe its the labor market saying "there are too many workers"? I mean, if an employer can offer $x/hr and someone is willing to take it, that fact must have some meaning other than "the employer is evil".
 
2012-11-18 04:35:03 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: i turned down a job at Best Buy cause unemployment pays more.


You sound Democrat.
 
2012-11-18 04:35:17 PM
I'm about to go get some shopping done at Wal-Mart so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Also, fark unions.
 
2012-11-18 04:35:27 PM

mbillips: basemetal: Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.

Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.

The union knows that, and that's why they're not doing a full-out strike. They're doing brief, targeted walkouts, which bleeds Wal-Mart, but doesn't get to the point where Wal-Mart would save money by firing the workers and hiring new ones.

If the Hostess unions had been as smart, you might still be able to buy Twinkies (probably not; that company was so mismanaged and overleveraged that labor problems were the least of it).


You can still buy twinkies.
 
2012-11-18 04:35:33 PM

whistleridge: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

Wal-Mart is flat-out exploitative, and if you think otherwise, you're dreaming.


I'm right here with ya... just wanted to say I prefer predatory as a descriptor. It says all that and more.
 
2012-11-18 04:36:26 PM

hbk72777: Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK


I honestly can't think of a single Jewish family I know that doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving, and I am a practicing Jew.
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2012-11-18 04:37:11 PM
TFA: Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said ...

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Really?? No one??
 
2012-11-18 04:37:25 PM
President Obama last seen preparing his fiddle.


/ I keed, I keed
 
2012-11-18 04:37:31 PM
Oh NOOOEZZZZZZ!

WHERE WILL I GO TO BUY CHEAP CHINESE shiat NOW!!!!!?????

WHERE...WHERE...WHERE!!!!!??????

Wait a minute.....

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

Nevermind.
 
2012-11-18 04:38:38 PM

LovingTeacher: coco ebert: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

As someone who studies labor markets, I can say that there really aren't that many options for "unskilled" or "low-skilled" jobs in this economy. Retailers have largely followed Wal-mart's lead and have increasingly relied on low-wage, part-time work that offers next to zero benefits. Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.

Sadly in this labor market not all of the people working at Walmartare "unskilled" or "low-skilled" workers. The simple truth is that sometimes we don't have much of a choice in where we work. Despite being educated several times in my life I've just had to take the first job that came along. This has more to do with a bad attitude towards authority in my younger days than my actual skill level.


Absolutely. By the way the reason I put quotations around those terms is precisely to question how we use them. There are definitely overqualified people taking those positions but there's also an issue of us denigrating that type of work.
 
2012-11-18 04:40:16 PM

XveryYpettyZ: The central story of the United States is the idea that if you work hard, sacrifice, delay gratification, save and live frugally, in the end you will get ahead and your children will have an opportunity at a better life. Wal Mart, and other stores of their ilk, make a mockery of that ideal by having full-time employees still on public assistance. What is popularly railed-against as lazy people taking advantage of the system is often more a form of corporate welfare than one that benefits the individuals collecting the checks/food stamps/WIC vouchers, etc.

That story is largely bullshiat, except when a) there was a frontier and b) the government stepped in to create opportunity between 1945 and 1980. Farmers and factory workers between 1870 and 1940 had it WAY worse than Wal-Mart employees today.
 
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