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(Biloxi Sun Herald)   That five acre Louisiana sinkhole is now an eight acre Louisiana sinkhole. And some of it is on fire   (sunherald.com) divider line 73
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2012-11-18 09:17:29 PM
Anybody know where those good old boys from Red Jacket were when this all went up? Seems they do like a nice flashy explosion now and then.
 
2012-11-18 09:21:04 PM

Demetrius: Bontesla: Wow. That's uhm. Pretty big.
Know what will solve that?
More tax cuts.

I thought it was less regulation.


Well that goes without saying.
 
2012-11-18 09:30:11 PM
hope someone consulted Town in PA that's forever on fire before LA set things ablaze
 
2012-11-18 09:35:47 PM

WhyteRaven74: Ihaveanevilparrot: Serious question. Is there no way a lot of the methane can be collected for fuel, rather than just burning it off?

It's a matter of infrastructure, to store the gas you'd need to put in a lot of pipe and various equipment. And a growing sinkhole is not exactly the most suitable place for that.


I kinda figured something like that. I haven't read much about the place in the article though.
 
2012-11-18 09:38:05 PM
How the heck did Occidental survive Love Canal? The company should have ceased to exist when they killed all those people. Capitalism really sucks sometimes.
 
2012-11-18 10:05:34 PM

Demetrius: Bontesla: Wow. That's uhm. Pretty big.
Know what will solve that?
More tax cuts.

I thought it was less regulation.


Our two weapons are tax cuts and less regulation! And a ruthless inefficiency! Our three weapons are...
 
2012-11-18 10:11:30 PM

limeyfellow: Demetrius: Bontesla: Wow. That's uhm. Pretty big.
Know what will solve that?
More tax cuts.

I thought it was less regulation.

Our two weapons are tax cuts and less regulation! And a ruthless inefficiency! Our three weapons are...


There are 47% of sinkholes out there that believe they are entitled to food and healthcare. They believe they are victims. My job isn't to worry about them.
 
2012-11-18 10:12:27 PM
Was the salt dome being used as a storage tank for the natural gas and crude oil? Or had it just seeped in there?

And where did the salt dome come from in the first place? Was it natural, or created from salt mining, or a byproduct of some other industrial process?

And why did the salt dome collapse? Earthquake? Industrial accident? Just something that happens?

Actually, there are hundreds of questions that run through my mind when I find out that one chemical company is renting a salt dome filled with crude oil and natural gas from another chemical company, and that salt dome has collapsed and flooded the surrounding environment with toxins. But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the answers, so I'm glad the article didn't provide any.
 
2012-11-18 10:23:55 PM

robodog: How the heck did Occidental survive Love Canal? The company should have ceased to exist when they killed all those people. Capitalism really sucks sometimes.


(nobody died at Love Canal)
 
2012-11-18 10:45:42 PM

Misch: Arkanaut: Cool! They get their own Derweze!

I was thinking Centralia, PA.


Centralia is okay, but the fires are mostly underground. This is what Derweze looks like:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-18 10:57:29 PM
the obvious solution is to throw Sarah Michelle Gellar into the Hellmouth
 
2012-11-18 11:25:11 PM
Came here for the, "America must have had taco bell, it's arsehole's on fire".

leaving unhappy
 
2012-11-19 05:05:31 AM

Bermuda59: All Farkers who had Louisiana as the location for the gates of hell step forward to collect your prize.


Upon further reflection, the Powers of Darkness have decided to close the portal, citing the threat of two-way traffic.
 
2012-11-19 05:09:05 AM

Gyrfalcon: robodog: How the heck did Occidental survive Love Canal? The company should have ceased to exist when they killed all those people. Capitalism really sucks sometimes.

(nobody died at Love Canal)


Some elevated incidence of some forms of cancer...which isn't exactly "no harm, no foul".

That's the problem with environmental damage...short of a full-on Bhopal, it's hard to measure.
 
2012-11-19 05:38:03 AM

Ihaveanevilparrot: Serious question. Is there no way a lot of the methane can be collected for fuel, rather than just burning it off? Kinda like trash dumps started doing quite awhile ago? Or is it venting so quickly that the infrastructure and cost to set it up would likely be a waste by the time they got it going therefore it's better and more environmentally sound to just burn it off instead?


There is probably not enough methane there to make setting up any sort of operation to collect it worthwhile. This is just a relatively small underground water aquifer, not a big hydrocarbon deposit. There is probably just a limited amount of crude oil and methane from a small amount of organic matter was trapped in that anaerobic environment.
 
2012-11-19 05:51:49 AM

The Larch: Was the salt dome being used as a storage tank for the natural gas and crude oil? Or had it just seeped in there?

And where did the salt dome come from in the first place? Was it natural, or created from salt mining, or a byproduct of some other industrial process?

And why did the salt dome collapse? Earthquake? Industrial accident? Just something that happens?

Actually, there are hundreds of questions that run through my mind when I find out that one chemical company is renting a salt dome filled with crude oil and natural gas from another chemical company, and that salt dome has collapsed and flooded the surrounding environment with toxins. But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the answers, so I'm glad the article didn't provide any.


Wait, what?
Where did it say that the salt dome was being rented by anyone, or that it was being used by storage?
It's a frickin' sinkhole, not a storage facility!

The most logical explanation for this whole thing from my perspective is thus:
This sinkhole opened up because there was an underground water aquifer below the surface. Apparently there was a dome of salts over it, probably formed by minerals that are naturally in the ground and water. The crude oil and methane probably bubbled up because there was organic matter trapped for a very long time under the aquifer, providing the pressure and anaerobic environment needed for bacteria to eat organic matter, produce methane gas as a byproduct, and then be squished into crude oil along with their lunches. When the sinkhole collapsed it allowed the oil and methane to escape from under the salt dome, which lowers internal pressure and causes it to collapse.
 
2012-11-19 07:53:29 AM
New Orleans?
 
2012-11-19 09:25:57 AM
Simpsons did it.

i2.ytimg.com
 
2012-11-19 01:28:17 PM

KrispyKritter: hope someone consulted Town in PA that's forever on fire before LA set things ablaze


Centralia actually isn't really a 'town' anymore, because they had their zip code revoked by the USPS years ago. Last I checked the population was maybe 15 people, probably less now. The wikipedia page is fascinating.
 
2012-11-19 02:54:50 PM

Satanic_Hamster: poe_zlaw: "methane trapped in a water aquifer, stabilize the salt dome, released natural gas and crude oil as it collapsed, Three vent wells already are burning off gas, Texas Brine Co, The sinkhole, now 8 acres at the surface, is in a swampy area"

Jesus. I have never seen one article so short with so, but with so many words that describe exactly the type of place I dont want to ever live or visit.

What, Louisiana? :)


French Quarter, anyone?
 
2012-11-19 05:04:11 PM

Gawdzila: Wait, what?
Where did it say that the salt dome was being rented by anyone, or that it was being used by storage?
It's a frickin' sinkhole, not a storage facility!


Salt caverns are routinely used for storage. Link.

In fact, one of the reasons this collapsed salt cavern is such a problem is that Texas Brine has been illegally using other caverns in the same salt dome to store radioactive waste. http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/texas-brine-filled-louisiana-s alt-dome-with-radioactive-toxic-wastes/

Now, again, I have no idea if the crude oil and natural gas that are forcing their way to the surface are materials that Texas Brine was storing in the salt cavern. If so, that would be good, because there's a relatively finite amount of natural gas that's going to come out (i.e., the only gas that will come out is what they put in there in the first place).

The other alternative is that they've breached one of the gigantic natural gas pockets that often end up around salt domes due to geography. If this happened, it would be bad, because that would mean there is probably a *lot* of natural gas that is going to come up, for a very long time.

Or, maybe this is one of the holes they've been illegally storing radioactive waste in. That would be bad too.
 
2012-11-19 06:28:42 PM
It smells like Sao Paulo.
 
2012-11-20 03:48:38 AM

The Larch: Gawdzila: Wait, what?
Where did it say that the salt dome was being rented by anyone, or that it was being used by storage?
It's a frickin' sinkhole, not a storage facility!

Salt caverns are routinely used for storage. Link.

In fact, one of the reasons this collapsed salt cavern is such a problem is that Texas Brine has been illegally using other caverns in the same salt dome to store radioactive waste. http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/texas-brine-filled-louisiana-s alt-dome-with-radioactive-toxic-wastes/

Now, again, I have no idea if the crude oil and natural gas that are forcing their way to the surface are materials that Texas Brine was storing in the salt cavern. If so, that would be good, because there's a relatively finite amount of natural gas that's going to come out (i.e., the only gas that will come out is what they put in there in the first place).

The other alternative is that they've breached one of the gigantic natural gas pockets that often end up around salt domes due to geography. If this happened, it would be bad, because that would mean there is probably a *lot* of natural gas that is going to come up, for a very long time.

Or, maybe this is one of the holes they've been illegally storing radioactive waste in. That would be bad too.


Supposedly it's natural.

And before I say anything else: Why subby????? WHY?????? With all the interesting and informative articles about the Bayou Corne Sinkhole - that have been written nonstop since August - what kind of twisted, sadistic impulses prompted you to submit THIS ?????? This non-article???? This short empty blurb - which would have been rejected for publication - even in a middle school newspaper - unless used as an example of 'FAIL' in regards to reporting. Why subby????? Why THIS ONE ?????

Ah well . . .each to their own I suppose. ;-D

Anyhow, been following this since August when it began. Over 150 homes were evacuated then and remain evacuated to this day - with no return home for these families - even projected at this point.

There is ongoing and increasing earthquake activity in this area.

Bubbling which began and has intensified - involving areas many miles from the sinkhole.

Everything that's going on with this is fascinating and changing daily.

So . . .if anyone else is interested in checking this out:

Here's the Assumption Parish Police Jury Blog that has ongoing updates (including videos and pics).

and here's The Louisiana Sinkhole Bugle (in the column on the right are lists of other great links also)

Oh, and the Lake Peigneur YouTube link (referred to in the comments) was removed by A&E.

Here's another one.

The Lake Peigneur Disappearing Lake incident happened in 1980 and - for anyone who hasn't watched THIS - it's a must see - simply unbelievable! 

/and hey subby, at least ya got this green lighted to the Main page
//which was more than I accomplished
 
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