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(Palm Beach Post)   Allen West loses race when the recount he demanded isn't completed in time, state uses prior week's results   (palmbeachpost.com) divider line 57
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2012-11-18 07:01:36 PM
5 votes:
What we need to do is stop electing the people who run elections. Seriously, its a really bad idea to make that job a political one. Let the whole thing be run by civil servants, and make sure they know that if they screw up, they're fired and will be looking for a new line of work.

Its one thing Miami-Dade got right, and it works like this
2012-11-18 05:21:22 PM
5 votes:
Dear Mr. West

Do you mean a mob like this preventing a vote count would be enough to be an emergency?

s8.postimage.org


1. Tom Pyle, policy analyst, office of House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.).
2. Garry Malphrus, majority chief counsel and staff director, House Judiciary subcommittee on criminal justice.
3. Rory Cooper, political division staff member at the National Republican Congressional Committee.
4. Kevin Smith, former House Republican conference analyst and more recently of Voter.com.
5. Steven Brophy, former aide to Sen. Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.), now working at the consulting firm KPMG.
6. Matt Schlapp, former chief of staff for Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), now on the Bush campaign staff in Austin.
7. Roger Morse, aide to Rep. Van Hilleary (R-Tenn.).
8. Duane Gibson, aide to Chairman Don Young (R-Alaska) of the House Resources Committee.
9. Chuck Royal, legislative assistant to Rep. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.).
10. Layna McConkey, former legislative assistant to former Rep. Jim Ross Lightfoot (R-Iowa) now at Steelman Health Strategies.
2012-11-18 05:10:25 PM
5 votes:
It's funny to see the righties complain about Florida's uncertain elections when the conservatives have been in total control in Florida for quite some time. They sure didn't mind Florida's uncertain elections when they were winning.
2012-11-18 06:34:39 PM
4 votes:

MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.


That's what I said. In 2000.
2012-11-18 05:38:52 PM
4 votes:

MisterRonbo: Some of you farkwits seem to think that West being a ginormous douchebag is somehow relevant. It isn't.

A change in the count of eight hundredths of one percent would trigger a complete recount.

FTA: Last Sunday, the canvassing board agree to recount ballots cast the last three days of early voting after election officials revealed that machines had been unable to read some of the electronic memory cartridges. West's attorneys then sought a recount of all early ballots after the elections office conceded to double-counting some ballots and ignoring others on election night.

So you would at least want those three days worth of early voting ballots recounted. But:

FTA: Others commented to elections officials, blaming them for ending the recount last night at 10 p.m. because the security system would be triggered if the counting continued.

Seriously? You couldn't find someone who could reset the security system? Or just call the police department and tell them to ignore the alarm?

We didn't count some ballots, and double-counted some ballots. And then we stalled until three days before the deadline, and then we, uh, couldn't find the alarm code and so we couldn't stay late and finish.

Yeah, that sounds totally legit. Plus West is a douche, so that makes it double legit.

Really, Farkers? Really?


Don't ask us. Ask the SCOTUS. According to them, when it's over, it's over.
Maybe Scalia et al would like to revisit their ruling.
2012-11-18 01:37:05 PM
4 votes:
Now Republicans will claim that Murphy demanded recount after recount after recount until he finally won. This will happen, I guarantee it.
2012-11-18 08:25:20 PM
3 votes:

jso2897: realmolo: jso2897: MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.

That's what I said. In 2000.

The problem with that is, you'd have the loser ENDLESSLY claiming there were more votes that hadn't been counted yet. How would you know when to stop? Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for? How would you do that? Have another vote, and require every registered voter to show up?

It's just not practical.

This is true, too - there has to be SOME cutoff point.


Most states have such laws. What happened in 2000 in Florida is that they'd just changed the recount system, it had just gone into effect that year, and hadn't been tested or challenged yet as to when exactly the cutoff deadline was. That was why it went to the Florida Supreme Court, and why the US Supreme Court was able to get its meddling fingers into the pie. Most states have laws in place that say absentee ballots must be in by so many days before the election and late ballots have to be counted by so many days after, and recount challenges have to be filed by certain days. Miss a deadline and that's it. As happened here to West (ha ha).

If there's an ambiguity in the law--which happened in Florida in 2000--then it has to go before the courts. Usually as in anything lawyers do, there's some kind of ambiguity, and usually there's no major issue, because the problem will occur in some small local election of a water board commissioner or somesuch and nobody cares. In 2000, it happened that it was a Presidential election. There really needs to be a Federal law that says during national elections, any new law is rendered moot and the last law in place is used; but that hasn't happened yet.
2012-11-18 06:57:10 PM
3 votes:

quatchi: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?



As a "glass half empty" kind of guy I am still dismayed that this kind of scumbag gets 50% of the votes from ANY kind of electorate
2012-11-18 06:28:22 PM
3 votes:
I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.
2012-11-18 03:36:06 PM
3 votes:
Edson, however, said other problems arose this morning, when the recount resumed at 8 a.m. The recount showed 900 voters cast ballots in precinct 93, where there are 7 registered voters, Edson said.

You know, I wonder if that's related from the voter roll purges the Republican governor Rick Scott instituted, which means that those people had to cast provisional ballots.
2012-11-18 02:55:39 PM
3 votes:
sore loserman
2012-11-18 12:45:04 PM
3 votes:
WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?
2012-11-19 04:19:35 AM
2 votes:

spmkk: dahmers love zombie: "You repulsive, lying war criminal."
Sock Ruh Tease: "Noted war criminal Allen West loses race..."
coeyagi: "...probably had no idea what a raving lunatic this guy was or that he committed war crimes..."
quatchi: "...someone so blatantly unprepared for and undeserving of the job of representative as convicted war criminal Allen West."


Calling Allen West a "war criminal" cheapens the term to near-meaninglessness. West's "crime" was asking a guy for information without saying please, and making a loud noise.

What he did isn't a war crime any more than telling your kid, "You come here right now or else!" is child abuse.


Staging a mock execution like he did is a violation of the Geneva Convention and most definitely a war crime.
2012-11-18 08:23:37 PM
2 votes:

Flaming Yawn: As a "glass half empty" kind of guy I am still dismayed that this kind of scumbag gets 50% of the votes from ANY kind of electorate


Yes, that is somewhat disheartening and doesn't speak well of voters who would cast a ballot based purely on partisan politics for someone so blatantly unprepared for and undeserving of the job of representative as convicted war criminal Allen West.

I'd rather have seen a wholesale rejection of Tea Party extremism here as well, of course, but I will take a narrow squeaky win over the forces of derp any time and call it a good day.
2012-11-18 07:48:23 PM
2 votes:

MisterRonbo: rynthetyn:

Except that Miami-Dade still farks up elections just as much as the rest of the state. See, for example the in-person absentee fiasco the Sunday before the election.

Except the state shortened early voting days, which is what created that problem. And legally, the county didn't have to do a farking thing on that Sunday to let people vote. They tried to do something above and beyond what was required, and failed at that. Not the same as actually screwing up at what you're required to do, in fact the very heart of what you're there to do: count the votes.


Yeah, except that Broward county's supervisor got the smackdown from a federal judge for refusing to open up to accept in-person absentees. So yeah, that was part of the job and Miami-Dade farked it up by announcing they were doing it but then not bringing in nearly enough people to handle the lines, opening up, locking the doors an hour later, and just in general being incompetent about the whole thing.
2012-11-18 07:13:06 PM
2 votes:

rynthetyn:

Except that Miami-Dade still farks up elections just as much as the rest of the state. See, for example the in-person absentee fiasco the Sunday before the election.


Except the state shortened early voting days, which is what created that problem. And legally, the county didn't have to do a farking thing on that Sunday to let people vote. They tried to do something above and beyond what was required, and failed at that. Not the same as actually screwing up at what you're required to do, in fact the very heart of what you're there to do: count the votes.
2012-11-18 07:07:34 PM
2 votes:

MisterRonbo: What we need to do is stop electing the people who run elections. Seriously, its a really bad idea to make that job a political one. Let the whole thing be run by civil servants, and make sure they know that if they screw up, they're fired and will be looking for a new line of work.

Its one thing Miami-Dade got right, and it works like this


Except that Miami-Dade still farks up elections just as much as the rest of the state. See, for example the in-person absentee fiasco the Sunday before the election.
2012-11-18 06:58:51 PM
2 votes:

realmolo: jso2897: MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.

That's what I said. In 2000.

The problem with that is, you'd have the loser ENDLESSLY claiming there were more votes that hadn't been counted yet. How would you know when to stop? Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for? How would you do that? Have another vote, and require every registered voter to show up?

It's just not practical.


Norm Coleman tried his hardest.
2012-11-18 05:44:52 PM
2 votes:
i18.photobucket.com 

You got it, sucker.
2012-11-18 05:33:28 PM
2 votes:
Poor Allen West. The wait must be torture.
2012-11-18 05:33:09 PM
2 votes:
Some of you farkwits seem to think that West being a ginormous douchebag is somehow relevant. It isn't.

A change in the count of eight hundredths of one percent would trigger a complete recount.

FTA: Last Sunday, the canvassing board agree to recount ballots cast the last three days of early voting after election officials revealed that machines had been unable to read some of the electronic memory cartridges. West's attorneys then sought a recount of all early ballots after the elections office conceded to double-counting some ballots and ignoring others on election night.

So you would at least want those three days worth of early voting ballots recounted. But:

FTA: Others commented to elections officials, blaming them for ending the recount last night at 10 p.m. because the security system would be triggered if the counting continued.

Seriously? You couldn't find someone who could reset the security system? Or just call the police department and tell them to ignore the alarm?

We didn't count some ballots, and double-counted some ballots. And then we stalled until three days before the deadline, and then we, uh, couldn't find the alarm code and so we couldn't stay late and finish.

Yeah, that sounds totally legit. Plus West is a douche, so that makes it double legit.

Really, Farkers? Really?
2012-11-18 05:29:31 PM
2 votes:

coeyagi: I would love to see a Tim Burton mega-size Cornel West model (a la like something out of Peewee's Big Adventure) devour Allen West. 

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i1212.photobucket.com
For no reason, here's me with Cornel West.
2012-11-18 05:17:00 PM
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?


thumbs.dreamstime.com

There aint enuff THIS.jpgs inside the entire intratubez to THIS THIS enuff.

FFS, Florida, figure it out.

/It aint rocket surgery.
//Or brain science for that matter.
///Quote is embiggened and emboldened fer emphasis.
2012-11-18 05:08:16 PM
2 votes:
Don't go away mad. Just go away.
2012-11-18 04:58:36 PM
2 votes:

Wyalt Derp: As much as I want West to lose, I want him to lose legitimately, so I do want the count done properly. But if he does demand a recount and still loses, maybe he should have to pay for it.


He did lose legitimately. The recount is legally over, and he lost. It's done.
2012-11-18 04:56:42 PM
2 votes:
As much as I want West to lose, I want him to lose legitimately, so I do want the count done properly. But if he does demand a recount and still loses, maybe he should have to pay for it.
2012-11-18 04:55:45 PM
2 votes:

RexTalionis: Edson, however, said other problems arose this morning, when the recount resumed at 8 a.m. The recount showed 900 voters cast ballots in precinct 93, where there are 7 registered voters, Edson said.

You know, I wonder if that's related from the voter roll purges the Republican governor Rick Scott instituted, which means that those people had to cast provisional ballots.


That would be amusingly poetic justice. Anyway, the supremes ruled on this back in 2000 - when it's over, it's over.
It would be hilarious if West managed to get the issue in front of them again. Watching Scalia trying to find a way to flip-flop on his own ruling would be delicious.
2012-11-18 04:46:55 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: The amount of butthurt in this guy is almost impressive.


Giant asses have s greater capacity for butthurt.
2012-11-18 03:57:15 PM
2 votes:
The amount of butthurt in this guy is almost impressive.
2012-11-18 01:19:17 PM
2 votes:
Florida demonstrates once again why they have their own Fark tag.
2012-11-18 12:32:55 PM
2 votes:
This guy is a crazy loser, but I'd love to be one of his lawyers. They must be dragging down some big bucks for basically doing nothing.
2012-11-19 04:01:51 AM
1 votes:

starsrift: I really don't get why this is an issue.

You don't want the guy who wasn't actually elected to take the position, and you don't want the guy in the position to have a cloud of fraud following his service. Just do the farking recount and move on.


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No, that's not how it works. Recounts are done in close elections, where they stand a statistical chance of actually swinging the result. This is not that close of an election. It's not even the closest House election this cycle, or the 2nd closest. It's just the only election where the loser threw a gigantic hissy fit and hired a bunch of lawyers.

Throwing a gigantic hissy fit and hiring a bunch of lawyers does not entitle one to a recount. Being within .5% does. And West is not within .5%, so that's that.
2012-11-18 08:59:43 PM
1 votes:

MisterRonbo: rynthetyn:

Yeah, except that Broward county's supervisor got the smackdown from a federal judge for refusing to open up to accept in-person absentees.

I know there was a lawsuit filed asking a judge to do that, but I'm not sure the plaintiffs won. Do you have a cite? I'm thinking you're actually thinking of Orange County. They screwed up early voting by not being open when they should, so the judge ordered them to allow early voting on Sunday.


So yeah, that was part of the job

No, not in Miami Dade, they were not under a court order to do this

and Miami-Dade farked it up by announcing they were doing it but then not bringing in nearly enough people to handle the lines, opening up, locking the doors an hour later, and just in general being incompetent about the whole thing.

Actually what they did was close the office and then open it back up an hour later. Yes, they should have had more people (and, more importantly, more than one printer to print out ballots).

But screwing up in how you allow in-person absentee voting - in essence, trying to add an extra early voting day and not doing it well - is not on par with double counting some ballots, not counting others at all, and then being unable to fix the mess because you can't figure out how to turn the alarm system off, and therefore can't work late. That's a whole other level of screw-up, because its your core activity, and one you're prepared to do every election. Unlike in-person absentee balloting, which is a non-core activity and had never been done before in that county.


Orange County is a totally different thing. I don't have a cite on the Broward thing because I don't know if it actually was reported on, but I heard it on the Obama campaign's voter protection conference call directly from the lawyer who took it to court. They didn't have to go to court in Miami-Dade or West Palm because they agreed to do it without a federal lawsuit being filed, but Broward's supervisor refused, a suit was filed by the Obama campaign, and the federal judge lectured the supervisor about refusing to open up.

Bottom line is that Miami-Dade could have run the election a lot better than they did, and their fark ups with not having enough people working the polls to the point that there were people still standing in line to vote several hours AFTER the election had been called for Obama is as much on the supervisor for not hiring enough people to staff the polls as it is on Rick Scott's shenanigans.
2012-11-18 08:42:36 PM
1 votes:

MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.


See 'Franken, Al'
2012-11-18 08:25:23 PM
1 votes:
It's established precedent in Florida that after a week, votes don't count.

Old news
2012-11-18 08:07:18 PM
1 votes:

rynthetyn:

Yeah, except that Broward county's supervisor got the smackdown from a federal judge for refusing to open up to accept in-person absentees.


I know there was a lawsuit filed asking a judge to do that, but I'm not sure the plaintiffs won. Do you have a cite? I'm thinking you're actually thinking of Orange County. They screwed up early voting by not being open when they should, so the judge ordered them to allow early voting on Sunday.


So yeah, that was part of the job

No, not in Miami Dade, they were not under a court order to do this

and Miami-Dade farked it up by announcing they were doing it but then not bringing in nearly enough people to handle the lines, opening up, locking the doors an hour later, and just in general being incompetent about the whole thing.

Actually what they did was close the office and then open it back up an hour later. Yes, they should have had more people (and, more importantly, more than one printer to print out ballots).

But screwing up in how you allow in-person absentee voting - in essence, trying to add an extra early voting day and not doing it well - is not on par with double counting some ballots, not counting others at all, and then being unable to fix the mess because you can't figure out how to turn the alarm system off, and therefore can't work late. That's a whole other level of screw-up, because its your core activity, and one you're prepared to do every election. Unlike in-person absentee balloting, which is a non-core activity and had never been done before in that county.
2012-11-18 08:05:03 PM
1 votes:

PlasticMoby: fusillade762: Like having a gun fired next to your head.

.......*Sigh*.


*that'sthejoke.gif*?
2012-11-18 07:02:04 PM
1 votes:

Flaming Yawn: quatchi: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?



As a "glass half empty" kind of guy I am still dismayed that this kind of scumbag gets 50% of the votes from ANY kind of electorate


The irony of that electorate being that a good number of them may be old Jewish WWII vets who fought against torture and crimes against humanity, but due to not having access to cable news, probably had no idea what a raving lunatic this guy was or that he committed war crimes, they just saw the R next to his name.
2012-11-18 06:47:32 PM
1 votes:

realmolo: jso2897: MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.

That's what I said. In 2000.

The problem with that is, you'd have the loser ENDLESSLY claiming there were more votes that hadn't been counted yet. How would you know when to stop? Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for? How would you do that? Have another vote, and require every registered voter to show up?

It's just not practical.


This is true, too - there has to be SOME cutoff point.
2012-11-18 06:44:52 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.

That's what I said. In 2000.


The problem with that is, you'd have the loser ENDLESSLY claiming there were more votes that hadn't been counted yet. How would you know when to stop? Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for? How would you do that? Have another vote, and require every registered voter to show up?

It's just not practical.
2012-11-18 06:18:34 PM
1 votes:

PlasticMoby: Poor Allen West. The wait must be torture.


Like having a gun fired next to your head.
2012-11-18 06:15:54 PM
1 votes:
One more dirty TeaBagger getting the axe. Sounds great to me. Enjoy the circle jerk at Fox News Mr. West.
2012-11-18 06:15:12 PM
1 votes:

reported: Florida demonstrates once again why they have their own Fark tag.


We're starting to need an Allen West tag.
2012-11-18 06:05:21 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: coeyagi: I would love to see a Tim Burton mega-size Cornel West model (a la like something out of Peewee's Big Adventure) devour Allen West. 

[greycoast.files.wordpress.com image 402x402]

[i1212.photobucket.com image 800x600]
For no reason, here's me with Cornel West.


Are you the stoned guy, or the guy who looks like he hasn't slept in three days?

/minorities, they all look alike to me
//pretty sure its something in the water in Florida that does that to you
///and I blame teh gheys for it
2012-11-18 05:48:04 PM
1 votes:
I can picture his opponent showing up for the first day of work, only to find Allen West still occupying his desk because the recount wasn't legit or whatever. If there's anyone crazy enough to pull that kind of stunt, it's definitely this douche-cock.
2012-11-18 05:39:08 PM
1 votes:
So, you can't have a recount if it takes too long. Might as well flip a coin instead of having an election.
2012-11-18 05:23:44 PM
1 votes:

Byno: fortheloveof: fortheloveof: The problem is they have Count Count counting for then qand that takes a while what with all the laughing involved.

...for them and that...

Darn phone

Is your Phonebongo phone already farting? Tell him to go back in time and get you a new one.


Damn straight, my socialist commie nazi phone isn't supposed to make those errors, I'm going to demand deathcamps for each person responsible for it (besides me of course, it isn't my fault)!
2012-11-18 05:11:08 PM
1 votes:
You had me at "Allen West Loses...", Subby, but the rest was good too.
2012-11-18 04:59:44 PM
1 votes:

fortheloveof: The problem is they have Count Count counting for then qand that takes a while what with all the laughing involved.


...for them and that...

Darn phone
2012-11-18 04:58:38 PM
1 votes:
The problem is they have Count Count counting for then qand that takes a while what with all the laughing involved.
2012-11-18 04:50:37 PM
1 votes:

dahmers love zombie: OK, West, you farkstick -- what kind of "emergency" are you basing this argument on? You gonna go with the "all Democrats are commies" line again, and see if the red-baiting approach works? Maybe you could go fire a gun next to the Supervisor of Elections' head, and claim that her hearing loss constitutes an emergency.


I waited 10 minutes for a sub at Publix.

This injustice shall not stand!
2012-11-18 04:49:48 PM
1 votes:
Allen West being booted out on his ass is emergency enough for the clown, it seems
2012-11-18 04:48:22 PM
1 votes:
He's already picking out decor for his office at Fox.

Flags, lots and lots of flags.
2012-11-18 04:48:02 PM
1 votes:
Florida law does allow an exemption to the deadline in an emergency and West's attorney are expected to argue that the exemption applies.

That exemption defines emergency as "any occurrence, or threat thereof, whether accidental, natural, or caused by human beings, in war or in peace, that results or may result in substantial injury or harm to the population or substantial damage to or loss of property to the extent it will prohibit an election officer's ability to conduct a safe and orderly election."


OK, West, you farkstick -- what kind of "emergency" are you basing this argument on? You gonna go with the "all Democrats are commies" line again, and see if the red-baiting approach works? Maybe you could go fire a gun next to the Supervisor of Elections' head, and claim that her hearing loss constitutes an emergency.

You repulsive, lying war criminal. You lost because you were a repugnant piece of trash and the voters knew it.
2012-11-18 04:47:32 PM
1 votes:
have a*
2012-11-18 01:52:11 PM
1 votes:
2012-11-18 12:41:26 PM
1 votes:
Obviously, Florida need additional abacuses.
 
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