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(Palm Beach Post)   Allen West loses race when the recount he demanded isn't completed in time, state uses prior week's results   (palmbeachpost.com) divider line 144
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2012-11-18 12:32:55 PM
This guy is a crazy loser, but I'd love to be one of his lawyers. They must be dragging down some big bucks for basically doing nothing.
 
2012-11-18 12:41:26 PM
Obviously, Florida need additional abacuses.
 
2012-11-18 12:45:04 PM
WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?
 
2012-11-18 01:19:17 PM
Florida demonstrates once again why they have their own Fark tag.
 
2012-11-18 01:37:05 PM
Now Republicans will claim that Murphy demanded recount after recount after recount until he finally won. This will happen, I guarantee it.
 
2012-11-18 01:52:11 PM
 
2012-11-18 02:55:39 PM
sore loserman
 
2012-11-18 03:36:06 PM
Edson, however, said other problems arose this morning, when the recount resumed at 8 a.m. The recount showed 900 voters cast ballots in precinct 93, where there are 7 registered voters, Edson said.

You know, I wonder if that's related from the voter roll purges the Republican governor Rick Scott instituted, which means that those people had to cast provisional ballots.
 
2012-11-18 03:57:15 PM
The amount of butthurt in this guy is almost impressive.
 
2012-11-18 04:46:55 PM

GAT_00: The amount of butthurt in this guy is almost impressive.


Giant asses have s greater capacity for butthurt.
 
2012-11-18 04:47:32 PM
have a*
 
2012-11-18 04:48:02 PM
Florida law does allow an exemption to the deadline in an emergency and West's attorney are expected to argue that the exemption applies.

That exemption defines emergency as "any occurrence, or threat thereof, whether accidental, natural, or caused by human beings, in war or in peace, that results or may result in substantial injury or harm to the population or substantial damage to or loss of property to the extent it will prohibit an election officer's ability to conduct a safe and orderly election."


OK, West, you farkstick -- what kind of "emergency" are you basing this argument on? You gonna go with the "all Democrats are commies" line again, and see if the red-baiting approach works? Maybe you could go fire a gun next to the Supervisor of Elections' head, and claim that her hearing loss constitutes an emergency.

You repulsive, lying war criminal. You lost because you were a repugnant piece of trash and the voters knew it.
 
2012-11-18 04:48:22 PM
He's already picking out decor for his office at Fox.

Flags, lots and lots of flags.
 
2012-11-18 04:48:52 PM
The headline needs something extra. But what?

Noted war criminal Allen West loses race when the recount he demanded isn't completed in time, state uses prior week's results

There we go.
 
2012-11-18 04:49:48 PM
Allen West being booted out on his ass is emergency enough for the clown, it seems
 
2012-11-18 04:50:37 PM

dahmers love zombie: OK, West, you farkstick -- what kind of "emergency" are you basing this argument on? You gonna go with the "all Democrats are commies" line again, and see if the red-baiting approach works? Maybe you could go fire a gun next to the Supervisor of Elections' head, and claim that her hearing loss constitutes an emergency.


I waited 10 minutes for a sub at Publix.

This injustice shall not stand!
 
2012-11-18 04:50:43 PM
Suck it, cons.
 
2012-11-18 04:53:38 PM
I would love to see a Tim Burton mega-size Cornel West model (a la like something out of Peewee's Big Adventure) devour Allen West. 

greycoast.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-18 04:55:45 PM

RexTalionis: Edson, however, said other problems arose this morning, when the recount resumed at 8 a.m. The recount showed 900 voters cast ballots in precinct 93, where there are 7 registered voters, Edson said.

You know, I wonder if that's related from the voter roll purges the Republican governor Rick Scott instituted, which means that those people had to cast provisional ballots.


That would be amusingly poetic justice. Anyway, the supremes ruled on this back in 2000 - when it's over, it's over.
It would be hilarious if West managed to get the issue in front of them again. Watching Scalia trying to find a way to flip-flop on his own ruling would be delicious.
 
2012-11-18 04:56:42 PM
As much as I want West to lose, I want him to lose legitimately, so I do want the count done properly. But if he does demand a recount and still loses, maybe he should have to pay for it.
 
2012-11-18 04:58:36 PM

Wyalt Derp: As much as I want West to lose, I want him to lose legitimately, so I do want the count done properly. But if he does demand a recount and still loses, maybe he should have to pay for it.


He did lose legitimately. The recount is legally over, and he lost. It's done.
 
2012-11-18 04:58:38 PM
The problem is they have Count Count counting for then qand that takes a while what with all the laughing involved.
 
2012-11-18 04:59:44 PM

fortheloveof: The problem is they have Count Count counting for then qand that takes a while what with all the laughing involved.


...for them and that...

Darn phone
 
2012-11-18 05:02:27 PM

fortheloveof: fortheloveof: The problem is they have Count Count counting for then qand that takes a while what with all the laughing involved.

...for them and that...

Darn phone


Is your Phonebongo phone already farting? Tell him to go back in time and get you a new one.
 
2012-11-18 05:02:50 PM
Fox News, et al all over it

old.bfi.org.uk
 
2012-11-18 05:03:06 PM
Hit the road jack and don't you come back no more no more!
 
2012-11-18 05:06:02 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?


Do you understand how many people have to take their shoes off to count up to 300,000!?
 
2012-11-18 05:08:16 PM
Don't go away mad. Just go away.
 
2012-11-18 05:10:25 PM
It's funny to see the righties complain about Florida's uncertain elections when the conservatives have been in total control in Florida for quite some time. They sure didn't mind Florida's uncertain elections when they were winning.
 
2012-11-18 05:11:08 PM
Looks like West and Tebow have something in common; losing.
 
2012-11-18 05:11:08 PM
You had me at "Allen West Loses...", Subby, but the rest was good too.
 
2012-11-18 05:17:00 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?


thumbs.dreamstime.com

There aint enuff THIS.jpgs inside the entire intratubez to THIS THIS enuff.

FFS, Florida, figure it out.

/It aint rocket surgery.
//Or brain science for that matter.
///Quote is embiggened and emboldened fer emphasis.
 
2012-11-18 05:21:22 PM
Dear Mr. West

Do you mean a mob like this preventing a vote count would be enough to be an emergency?

s8.postimage.org


1. Tom Pyle, policy analyst, office of House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.).
2. Garry Malphrus, majority chief counsel and staff director, House Judiciary subcommittee on criminal justice.
3. Rory Cooper, political division staff member at the National Republican Congressional Committee.
4. Kevin Smith, former House Republican conference analyst and more recently of Voter.com.
5. Steven Brophy, former aide to Sen. Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.), now working at the consulting firm KPMG.
6. Matt Schlapp, former chief of staff for Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), now on the Bush campaign staff in Austin.
7. Roger Morse, aide to Rep. Van Hilleary (R-Tenn.).
8. Duane Gibson, aide to Chairman Don Young (R-Alaska) of the House Resources Committee.
9. Chuck Royal, legislative assistant to Rep. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.).
10. Layna McConkey, former legislative assistant to former Rep. Jim Ross Lightfoot (R-Iowa) now at Steelman Health Strategies.
 
2012-11-18 05:22:26 PM
 
2012-11-18 05:23:44 PM

Byno: fortheloveof: fortheloveof: The problem is they have Count Count counting for then qand that takes a while what with all the laughing involved.

...for them and that...

Darn phone

Is your Phonebongo phone already farting? Tell him to go back in time and get you a new one.


Damn straight, my socialist commie nazi phone isn't supposed to make those errors, I'm going to demand deathcamps for each person responsible for it (besides me of course, it isn't my fault)!
 
2012-11-18 05:29:31 PM

coeyagi: I would love to see a Tim Burton mega-size Cornel West model (a la like something out of Peewee's Big Adventure) devour Allen West. 

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i1212.photobucket.com
For no reason, here's me with Cornel West.
 
2012-11-18 05:33:09 PM
Some of you farkwits seem to think that West being a ginormous douchebag is somehow relevant. It isn't.

A change in the count of eight hundredths of one percent would trigger a complete recount.

FTA: Last Sunday, the canvassing board agree to recount ballots cast the last three days of early voting after election officials revealed that machines had been unable to read some of the electronic memory cartridges. West's attorneys then sought a recount of all early ballots after the elections office conceded to double-counting some ballots and ignoring others on election night.

So you would at least want those three days worth of early voting ballots recounted. But:

FTA: Others commented to elections officials, blaming them for ending the recount last night at 10 p.m. because the security system would be triggered if the counting continued.

Seriously? You couldn't find someone who could reset the security system? Or just call the police department and tell them to ignore the alarm?

We didn't count some ballots, and double-counted some ballots. And then we stalled until three days before the deadline, and then we, uh, couldn't find the alarm code and so we couldn't stay late and finish.

Yeah, that sounds totally legit. Plus West is a douche, so that makes it double legit.

Really, Farkers? Really?
 
2012-11-18 05:33:28 PM
Poor Allen West. The wait must be torture.
 
2012-11-18 05:38:52 PM

MisterRonbo: Some of you farkwits seem to think that West being a ginormous douchebag is somehow relevant. It isn't.

A change in the count of eight hundredths of one percent would trigger a complete recount.

FTA: Last Sunday, the canvassing board agree to recount ballots cast the last three days of early voting after election officials revealed that machines had been unable to read some of the electronic memory cartridges. West's attorneys then sought a recount of all early ballots after the elections office conceded to double-counting some ballots and ignoring others on election night.

So you would at least want those three days worth of early voting ballots recounted. But:

FTA: Others commented to elections officials, blaming them for ending the recount last night at 10 p.m. because the security system would be triggered if the counting continued.

Seriously? You couldn't find someone who could reset the security system? Or just call the police department and tell them to ignore the alarm?

We didn't count some ballots, and double-counted some ballots. And then we stalled until three days before the deadline, and then we, uh, couldn't find the alarm code and so we couldn't stay late and finish.

Yeah, that sounds totally legit. Plus West is a douche, so that makes it double legit.

Really, Farkers? Really?


Don't ask us. Ask the SCOTUS. According to them, when it's over, it's over.
Maybe Scalia et al would like to revisit their ruling.
 
2012-11-18 05:39:08 PM
So, you can't have a recount if it takes too long. Might as well flip a coin instead of having an election.
 
2012-11-18 05:44:52 PM
i18.photobucket.com 

You got it, sucker.
 
2012-11-18 05:45:29 PM
Good Bye Allen We ( Sorry, I ran out of Lite Bright pieces)
 
2012-11-18 05:48:04 PM
I can picture his opponent showing up for the first day of work, only to find Allen West still occupying his desk because the recount wasn't legit or whatever. If there's anyone crazy enough to pull that kind of stunt, it's definitely this douche-cock.
 
2012-11-18 05:53:22 PM

simplicimus: Obviously, Florida need additional abacuses.


Abacuses? Those are killing American jobs. We just need enough hard-working, red-blooded Americans with 10 fingers and 10 toes, and we'll get those votes counted one way or another.
 
2012-11-18 06:04:58 PM
Get back here! Turn those machines back on! Keep counting until I win!
 
2012-11-18 06:05:21 PM

RexTalionis: coeyagi: I would love to see a Tim Burton mega-size Cornel West model (a la like something out of Peewee's Big Adventure) devour Allen West. 

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For no reason, here's me with Cornel West.


Are you the stoned guy, or the guy who looks like he hasn't slept in three days?

/minorities, they all look alike to me
//pretty sure its something in the water in Florida that does that to you
///and I blame teh gheys for it
 
2012-11-18 06:05:35 PM

Arkanaut: simplicimus: Obviously, Florida need additional abacuses.

Abacuses? Those are killing American jobs. We just need enough hard-working, red-blooded Americans with 10 fingers and 10 toes, and we'll get those votes counted one way or another.


10 fingers and toes? we aint trustin' no stinkin libruls !
 
2012-11-18 06:06:15 PM
I think this is one of those few places where we can legitimately say B-b-b-but Bush!

On the other hand, holy shiat Florida, you make Ohio's elections look good.
 
2012-11-18 06:11:55 PM
Is West's loss a scandal yet?
 
2012-11-18 06:15:12 PM

reported: Florida demonstrates once again why they have their own Fark tag.


We're starting to need an Allen West tag.
 
2012-11-18 06:15:54 PM
One more dirty TeaBagger getting the axe. Sounds great to me. Enjoy the circle jerk at Fox News Mr. West.
 
2012-11-18 06:18:34 PM

PlasticMoby: Poor Allen West. The wait must be torture.


Like having a gun fired next to your head.
 
2012-11-18 06:22:28 PM
...And never shall his name be spoken in these hallowed halls ever again.

/Excepting the inevitable murder/suicide rampage
 
2012-11-18 06:26:41 PM

Tymast: Arkanaut: simplicimus: Obviously, Florida need additional abacuses.

Abacuses? Those are killing American jobs. We just need enough hard-working, red-blooded Americans with 10 fingers and 10 toes, and we'll get those votes counted one way or another.

10 fingers and toes? we aint trustin' no stinkin libruls !


Favorited!
 
2012-11-18 06:28:22 PM
I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.
 
2012-11-18 06:34:39 PM

MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.


That's what I said. In 2000.
 
2012-11-18 06:44:52 PM

jso2897: MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.

That's what I said. In 2000.


The problem with that is, you'd have the loser ENDLESSLY claiming there were more votes that hadn't been counted yet. How would you know when to stop? Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for? How would you do that? Have another vote, and require every registered voter to show up?

It's just not practical.
 
2012-11-18 06:47:32 PM

realmolo: jso2897: MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.

That's what I said. In 2000.

The problem with that is, you'd have the loser ENDLESSLY claiming there were more votes that hadn't been counted yet. How would you know when to stop? Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for? How would you do that? Have another vote, and require every registered voter to show up?

It's just not practical.


This is true, too - there has to be SOME cutoff point.
 
2012-11-18 06:57:10 PM

quatchi: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?



As a "glass half empty" kind of guy I am still dismayed that this kind of scumbag gets 50% of the votes from ANY kind of electorate
 
2012-11-18 06:58:51 PM

realmolo: jso2897: MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.

That's what I said. In 2000.

The problem with that is, you'd have the loser ENDLESSLY claiming there were more votes that hadn't been counted yet. How would you know when to stop? Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for? How would you do that? Have another vote, and require every registered voter to show up?

It's just not practical.


Norm Coleman tried his hardest.
 
2012-11-18 06:59:31 PM

Nem Wan: So, you can't have a recount if it takes too long. Might as well flip a coin instead of having an election.


If we're changing how Florida law handles a statistical dead heat election, I want it to use Thunderdome.

This gem from St Lucie County Elections Supervisor website:


note* - turnout percentages will show over 100% due to a two page ballot. the tabulation system (GEMS) provides voter turnout as equal to the total cards cast in the election divided by the number of registered voters. also note that some voters chose not to return by mail the second card containing the amendments.\


But, no, returns of over 100% must mean fraud!
 
2012-11-18 07:01:36 PM
What we need to do is stop electing the people who run elections. Seriously, its a really bad idea to make that job a political one. Let the whole thing be run by civil servants, and make sure they know that if they screw up, they're fired and will be looking for a new line of work.

Its one thing Miami-Dade got right, and it works like this
 
2012-11-18 07:02:04 PM

Flaming Yawn: quatchi: Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?



As a "glass half empty" kind of guy I am still dismayed that this kind of scumbag gets 50% of the votes from ANY kind of electorate


The irony of that electorate being that a good number of them may be old Jewish WWII vets who fought against torture and crimes against humanity, but due to not having access to cable news, probably had no idea what a raving lunatic this guy was or that he committed war crimes, they just saw the R next to his name.
 
2012-11-18 07:04:25 PM

MisterRonbo: What we need to do is stop electing the people who run elections. Seriously, its a really bad idea to make that job a political one. Let the whole thing be run by civil servants, and make sure they know that if they screw up, they're fired and will be looking for a new line of work.

Its one thing Miami-Dade got right, and it works like this


BIG GOVERNMENT! SOSHULIZM!

But really, Fox News co-exists in both energy states - crying that the current system doesn't work and then berating Big Government as a solution. WHY DO THEY HATE DEMOCRACY?
 
2012-11-18 07:07:34 PM

MisterRonbo: What we need to do is stop electing the people who run elections. Seriously, its a really bad idea to make that job a political one. Let the whole thing be run by civil servants, and make sure they know that if they screw up, they're fired and will be looking for a new line of work.

Its one thing Miami-Dade got right, and it works like this


Except that Miami-Dade still farks up elections just as much as the rest of the state. See, for example the in-person absentee fiasco the Sunday before the election.
 
2012-11-18 07:13:06 PM

rynthetyn:

Except that Miami-Dade still farks up elections just as much as the rest of the state. See, for example the in-person absentee fiasco the Sunday before the election.


Except the state shortened early voting days, which is what created that problem. And legally, the county didn't have to do a farking thing on that Sunday to let people vote. They tried to do something above and beyond what was required, and failed at that. Not the same as actually screwing up at what you're required to do, in fact the very heart of what you're there to do: count the votes.
 
2012-11-18 07:18:15 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?


They don't need any of yer fancy book lernin, thank you very much.
 
2012-11-18 07:20:18 PM
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2012-11-18 07:20:52 PM

MisterRonbo: What we need to do is stop electing the people who run elections. Seriously, its a really bad idea to make that job a political one. Let the whole thing be run by civil servants, and make sure they know that if they screw up, they're fired and will be looking for a new line of work.

Its one thing Miami-Dade got right, and it works like this


Remember what Joe Stalin had to say about democracy and voting: 'It doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes.'
 
2012-11-18 07:20:59 PM

dahmers love zombie: Florida law does allow an exemption to the deadline in an emergency and West's attorney are expected to argue that the exemption applies.

That exemption defines emergency as "any occurrence, or threat thereof, whether accidental, natural, or caused by human beings, in war or in peace, that results or may result in substantial injury or harm to the population or substantial damage to or loss of property to the extent it will prohibit an election officer's ability to conduct a safe and orderly election."

OK, West, you farkstick -- what kind of "emergency" are you basing this argument on? You gonna go with the "all Democrats are commies" line again, and see if the red-baiting approach works? Maybe you could go fire a gun next to the Supervisor of Elections' head, and claim that her hearing loss constitutes an emergency.

You repulsive, lying war criminal.  You lost because you were a repugnant piece of trash and the 50.001% of the voters knew it.

 
2012-11-18 07:21:27 PM

fusillade762: Like having a gun fired next to your head.


.......*Sigh*.
 
2012-11-18 07:21:48 PM
God damnit Florida.
 
2012-11-18 07:26:43 PM

DubyaHater: One more dirty TeaBagger getting the axe. Sounds great to me. Enjoy the circle jerk at Fox News Mr. West.


He's too crazy for them. If they fired Glenn Beck for going too far with the conspiracy derp, this moron isn't getting within 100 miles of Fox News' studios.
 
2012-11-18 07:28:23 PM

jake_lex: DubyaHater: One more dirty TeaBagger getting the axe. Sounds great to me. Enjoy the circle jerk at Fox News Mr. West.

He's too crazy for them. If they fired Glenn Beck for going too far with the conspiracy derp, this moron isn't getting within 100 miles of Fox News' studios.


Correspondent. Bank it. Done.
 
2012-11-18 07:36:42 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?


Republicans seem to have a problem counting throughout the country.
 
2012-11-18 07:41:31 PM
Hang in there, West. There's still some wells that haven't been pissed in.
 
2012-11-18 07:48:23 PM

MisterRonbo: rynthetyn:

Except that Miami-Dade still farks up elections just as much as the rest of the state. See, for example the in-person absentee fiasco the Sunday before the election.

Except the state shortened early voting days, which is what created that problem. And legally, the county didn't have to do a farking thing on that Sunday to let people vote. They tried to do something above and beyond what was required, and failed at that. Not the same as actually screwing up at what you're required to do, in fact the very heart of what you're there to do: count the votes.


Yeah, except that Broward county's supervisor got the smackdown from a federal judge for refusing to open up to accept in-person absentees. So yeah, that was part of the job and Miami-Dade farked it up by announcing they were doing it but then not bringing in nearly enough people to handle the lines, opening up, locking the doors an hour later, and just in general being incompetent about the whole thing.
 
2012-11-18 07:52:01 PM

FloydA: Now Republicans will claim that Murphy demanded recount after recount after recount until he finally won. This will happen, I guarantee it.


Well, it could be said that all they had to do was stall, delay, and stall until the deadline passed.
 
2012-11-18 07:55:42 PM
Things like makes me glad that I'm from Kansas. At least we KNOW the elections are going to go red and we don't have to hear these dildo's names. It will be fun to watch Texas in a few election cycles if like they predict it going blue. That will be awesome.
 
2012-11-18 08:05:03 PM

PlasticMoby: fusillade762: Like having a gun fired next to your head.

.......*Sigh*.


*that'sthejoke.gif*?
 
2012-11-18 08:07:18 PM

rynthetyn:

Yeah, except that Broward county's supervisor got the smackdown from a federal judge for refusing to open up to accept in-person absentees.


I know there was a lawsuit filed asking a judge to do that, but I'm not sure the plaintiffs won. Do you have a cite? I'm thinking you're actually thinking of Orange County. They screwed up early voting by not being open when they should, so the judge ordered them to allow early voting on Sunday.


So yeah, that was part of the job

No, not in Miami Dade, they were not under a court order to do this

and Miami-Dade farked it up by announcing they were doing it but then not bringing in nearly enough people to handle the lines, opening up, locking the doors an hour later, and just in general being incompetent about the whole thing.

Actually what they did was close the office and then open it back up an hour later. Yes, they should have had more people (and, more importantly, more than one printer to print out ballots).

But screwing up in how you allow in-person absentee voting - in essence, trying to add an extra early voting day and not doing it well - is not on par with double counting some ballots, not counting others at all, and then being unable to fix the mess because you can't figure out how to turn the alarm system off, and therefore can't work late. That's a whole other level of screw-up, because its your core activity, and one you're prepared to do every election. Unlike in-person absentee balloting, which is a non-core activity and had never been done before in that county.
 
2012-11-18 08:13:53 PM
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2012-11-18 08:18:06 PM
Fooled you Westy. That was a mock recount.
 
2012-11-18 08:23:37 PM

Flaming Yawn: As a "glass half empty" kind of guy I am still dismayed that this kind of scumbag gets 50% of the votes from ANY kind of electorate


Yes, that is somewhat disheartening and doesn't speak well of voters who would cast a ballot based purely on partisan politics for someone so blatantly unprepared for and undeserving of the job of representative as convicted war criminal Allen West.

I'd rather have seen a wholesale rejection of Tea Party extremism here as well, of course, but I will take a narrow squeaky win over the forces of derp any time and call it a good day.
 
2012-11-18 08:25:20 PM

jso2897: realmolo: jso2897: MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.

That's what I said. In 2000.

The problem with that is, you'd have the loser ENDLESSLY claiming there were more votes that hadn't been counted yet. How would you know when to stop? Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for? How would you do that? Have another vote, and require every registered voter to show up?

It's just not practical.

This is true, too - there has to be SOME cutoff point.


Most states have such laws. What happened in 2000 in Florida is that they'd just changed the recount system, it had just gone into effect that year, and hadn't been tested or challenged yet as to when exactly the cutoff deadline was. That was why it went to the Florida Supreme Court, and why the US Supreme Court was able to get its meddling fingers into the pie. Most states have laws in place that say absentee ballots must be in by so many days before the election and late ballots have to be counted by so many days after, and recount challenges have to be filed by certain days. Miss a deadline and that's it. As happened here to West (ha ha).

If there's an ambiguity in the law--which happened in Florida in 2000--then it has to go before the courts. Usually as in anything lawyers do, there's some kind of ambiguity, and usually there's no major issue, because the problem will occur in some small local election of a water board commissioner or somesuch and nobody cares. In 2000, it happened that it was a Presidential election. There really needs to be a Federal law that says during national elections, any new law is rendered moot and the last law in place is used; but that hasn't happened yet.
 
2012-11-18 08:25:23 PM
It's established precedent in Florida that after a week, votes don't count.

Old news
 
2012-11-18 08:38:50 PM

EnviroDude: FloydA: Now Republicans will claim that Murphy demanded recount after recount after recount until he finally won. This will happen, I guarantee it.

Well, it could be said that all they had to do was stall, delay, and stall until the deadline passed.


And I'm sure it will be said.
 
2012-11-18 08:39:17 PM

RexTalionis: For no reason, here's me with Cornel West.


Hey, you look just like the drawring in yer profile.
 
2012-11-18 08:42:36 PM

MooseUpNorth: I don't like this. There should never be a time limit on an official recount. Elections are too important to do anything but account for every goddamn ballot. Anything less is undemocratic.


See 'Franken, Al'
 
2012-11-18 08:52:44 PM

EnviroDude: FloydA: Now Republicans will claim that Murphy demanded recount after recount after recount until he finally won. This will happen, I guarantee it.

Well, it could be said that all they had to do was stall, delay, and stall until the deadline passed.


Except for the unfortunate fact that "they", we'll...didn't.

But if you must insist, please be my guest.
 
2012-11-18 08:57:09 PM

bizzwire: EnviroDude: FloydA: Now Republicans will claim that Murphy demanded recount after recount after recount until he finally won. This will happen, I guarantee it.

Well, it could be said that all they had to do was stall, delay, and stall until the deadline passed.

Except for the unfortunate fact that "they", we'll...didn't.

But if you must insist, please be my guest.


He didn't say they did. He just said it could be said that they did, And he's right - it can, and will be said.
 
2012-11-18 08:59:43 PM

MisterRonbo: rynthetyn:

Yeah, except that Broward county's supervisor got the smackdown from a federal judge for refusing to open up to accept in-person absentees.

I know there was a lawsuit filed asking a judge to do that, but I'm not sure the plaintiffs won. Do you have a cite? I'm thinking you're actually thinking of Orange County. They screwed up early voting by not being open when they should, so the judge ordered them to allow early voting on Sunday.


So yeah, that was part of the job

No, not in Miami Dade, they were not under a court order to do this

and Miami-Dade farked it up by announcing they were doing it but then not bringing in nearly enough people to handle the lines, opening up, locking the doors an hour later, and just in general being incompetent about the whole thing.

Actually what they did was close the office and then open it back up an hour later. Yes, they should have had more people (and, more importantly, more than one printer to print out ballots).

But screwing up in how you allow in-person absentee voting - in essence, trying to add an extra early voting day and not doing it well - is not on par with double counting some ballots, not counting others at all, and then being unable to fix the mess because you can't figure out how to turn the alarm system off, and therefore can't work late. That's a whole other level of screw-up, because its your core activity, and one you're prepared to do every election. Unlike in-person absentee balloting, which is a non-core activity and had never been done before in that county.


Orange County is a totally different thing. I don't have a cite on the Broward thing because I don't know if it actually was reported on, but I heard it on the Obama campaign's voter protection conference call directly from the lawyer who took it to court. They didn't have to go to court in Miami-Dade or West Palm because they agreed to do it without a federal lawsuit being filed, but Broward's supervisor refused, a suit was filed by the Obama campaign, and the federal judge lectured the supervisor about refusing to open up.

Bottom line is that Miami-Dade could have run the election a lot better than they did, and their fark ups with not having enough people working the polls to the point that there were people still standing in line to vote several hours AFTER the election had been called for Obama is as much on the supervisor for not hiring enough people to staff the polls as it is on Rick Scott's shenanigans.
 
2012-11-18 09:02:44 PM

DubyaHater: One more dirty TeaBagger getting the axe. Sounds great to me. Enjoy the circle jerk at Fox News Mr. West.


Is Juan Williams planning to retire?

Because Roger Ailes doesn't need two tokens.
 
2012-11-18 09:06:46 PM

realmolo: Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for?


*shrug* We manage to do it with paper ballots and stubby pencils.
 
2012-11-18 09:14:24 PM

fusillade762: *that'sthejoke.gif*?


Yup.
 
2012-11-18 09:15:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: There really needs to be a Federal law that says during national elections, any new law is rendered moot and the last law in place is used; but that hasn't happened yet.


Trivial loophole. Pass desired law, wait a day, then pass law to sacrifice to the feds.

btw, Resort to the courts during an election is codified in the Florida Statutes

example FL 102.168
 
2012-11-18 09:16:54 PM
Maybe if they invested more in education in Florida they would be able to count in situations such as these.
 
2012-11-18 09:20:46 PM

MisterRonbo: DubyaHater: One more dirty TeaBagger getting the axe. Sounds great to me. Enjoy the circle jerk at Fox News Mr. West.

Is Juan Williams planning to retire?

Because Roger Ailes doesn't need two tokens.


Why not? Maybe having two minorities will draw in black voters, whom the republicans are so desperately trying to pander to at this moment.
 
2012-11-18 09:26:23 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?


Did Jesus need to count? NO!
 
2012-11-18 09:27:20 PM
Every vote should count - no dispute here. I really believe that.

Palm Beach once again shows the country how bad elections can be -- I agree that having this as an elected role is a bad plan, why can't the folks that tally votes for the Music / Movie awards be called in? They keep the results quiet until all the votes are counted and can more efficiently conduct recounts without skin in the game. (I know this sounds crazy, but it's got to be better than what PBC has now.)

I am wondering why as they approached 10pm Saturday night they didn't escalate that they needed more time to count (the deadline wasn't a surprise and neither was the timed security alarm) - and even call in more resources to get the job done. This is not an issue that should be R or D or I (or other party) - this is an issue that should call for all hands on deck to resolve.

As a result, Mr. West now has a claim that there is fraud - which should not be allowed. Mr. Murphy should support that and their should be a 3rd party recount (which I think is what happens now, unless my memory of 2000 is bad). It's clearly a close vote and while neither side may be pleased in the end, it's better to have fair elections than clouds of doubt.
 
2012-11-18 09:30:20 PM

DubyaHater: MisterRonbo: DubyaHater: One more dirty TeaBagger getting the axe. Sounds great to me. Enjoy the circle jerk at Fox News Mr. West.

Is Juan Williams planning to retire?

Because Roger Ailes doesn't need two tokens.

Why not? Maybe having two minorities will draw in black voters, whom the republicans are so desperately trying to pander to at this moment.


They fill two totally different niches!

Juan Williams = used to work for homocommunazi NPR, then saw the light and now sides with Truth, Justice, and the American Way

Allen West = Real American Hero, knows that "24" is a documentary, tough on muslims so we consider him an honorary white man
 
2012-11-18 09:32:19 PM

p the boiler: Maybe if they invested more in education in Florida they would be able to count in situations such as these.


Florida should gerrymander their congressional districts so that none of them have more than eleven voters. That way, even Republicans could count them, if they took their pants off.
 
2012-11-18 09:48:35 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is up with Florida? Do the rest of us have to go down there and teach you mofos how to goddamn COUNT?


They can count.

transitionculture.org
 
2012-11-18 09:50:52 PM
How's that voter suppression thing working out for you?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-11-18 09:55:13 PM

Parthenogenetic: DubyaHater: MisterRonbo: DubyaHater: One more dirty TeaBagger getting the axe. Sounds great to me. Enjoy the circle jerk at Fox News Mr. West.

Is Juan Williams planning to retire?

Because Roger Ailes doesn't need two tokens.

Why not? Maybe having two minorities will draw in black voters, whom the republicans are so desperately trying to pander to at this moment.

They fill two totally different niches!

Juan Williams = used to work for homocommunazi NPR, then saw the light and now sides with Truth, Justice, and the American Way

Allen West = Real American Hero, knows that "24" is a documentary, tough on muslims so we consider him an honorary white man


Allen West is way, way higher on the Persecution Scale of Justice than Juan WIilliams.
 
2012-11-18 10:04:39 PM

RexTalionis: For no reason, here's me with Cornel West.


How do we know he's a Cornel? He's not in uniform.
 
2012-11-18 10:33:07 PM

quatchi: Flaming Yawn: As a "glass half empty" kind of guy I am still dismayed that this kind of scumbag gets 50% of the votes from ANY kind of electorate

Yes, that is somewhat disheartening and doesn't speak well of voters who would cast a ballot based purely on partisan politics for someone so blatantly unprepared for and undeserving of the job of representative as convicted war criminal Allen West.

I'd rather have seen a wholesale rejection of Tea Party extremism here as well, of course, but I will take a narrow squeaky win over the forces of derp any time and call it a good day.


Hopefully a term for the GOOD guy will show the Derpinoids that having a Democrat in office instead of Allen West didn't bring about the Maxist Apocalypse they were always biatching about.
 
2012-11-18 10:34:33 PM

realmolo: The problem with that is, you'd have the loser ENDLESSLY claiming there were more votes that hadn't been counted yet. How would you know when to stop? Would you keep the election undecided until EVERY registered voter had been accounted for? How would you do that? Have another vote, and require every registered voter to show up?


I know! Keeping track of the names of all the people who cast a ballot, and then keeping track of all the ballots, is simply impossible. Can you imagine the immense size and expense of a machine that could store a few hundred kilobytes of information per precinct? Such a system is unimaginable. Perhaps in the far future, like in 1890 or something, someone will be able to invent something like that.
 
2012-11-18 10:35:50 PM
FTA: "'As usual, Murphy's people are full of garbage,' said Tim Edson, West's campaign manager."

What the hell? No one expects politics to be pretty, but for crying out loud, at least act like an adult. Sheesh.
 
2012-11-18 10:36:13 PM
retrorebirth.files.wordpress.com

RIP Allen West
 
2012-11-18 10:49:34 PM
As long as West loses. It was hilarious seeing pictures of him having to clean out his old district office.

Republicans are losers.
 
2012-11-18 11:05:19 PM
What the lame stream media won't tell you is that the Florida Division of Elections was being intimidated by New Black Panthers.
 
2012-11-18 11:14:17 PM

Bigdogdaddy: RIP Allen West


No, he's fine and doing voices on that cartoon. You're thinking of the guy that was lost in space.

Cheers.
 
2012-11-18 11:15:05 PM

Boxcutta: What the lame stream media won't tell you is that the Florida Division of Elections was being intimidated by New Black Panthers.


I thought the Florida Panthers were extinct.
 
2012-11-18 11:27:14 PM

simplicimus: Boxcutta: What the lame stream media won't tell you is that the Florida Division of Elections was being intimidated by New Black Panthers.

I thought the Florida Panthers were extinct.


They sure do.

[thecritic]
 
2012-11-18 11:27:59 PM

simplicimus: Boxcutta: What the lame stream media won't tell you is that the Florida Division of Elections was being intimidated by New Black Panthers.

I thought the Florida Panthers were extinct.


Gary Bettman killed them.
 
2012-11-18 11:28:46 PM

TV's Vinnie: Hopefully a term for the GOOD guy will show the Derpinoids that having a Democrat in office instead of Allen West didn't bring about the Marxist Apocalypse they were always biatching about.


I hope so too.

/I dare to dream.
 
2012-11-18 11:33:25 PM
Freeper- West would make a great Commander of the New Continental Army 2013.
 
2012-11-18 11:45:22 PM

rynthetyn: simplicimus: Boxcutta: What the lame stream media won't tell you is that the Florida Division of Elections was being intimidated by New Black Panthers.

I thought the Florida Panthers were extinct.

Gary Bettman killed them.


Welcome to Obama's America.
 
2012-11-18 11:54:20 PM

Altitude5280: Freeper- West would make a great Commander of the New Continental Army 2013.


We'll just see about that: 
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-18 11:57:45 PM

Boxcutta: rynthetyn: simplicimus: Boxcutta: What the lame stream media won't tell you is that the Florida Division of Elections was being intimidated by New Black Panthers.

I thought the Florida Panthers were extinct.

Gary Bettman killed them.

Welcome to Obama's America.


But I thought 0bama was totally in favor of unions destroying good companies, shouldn't he have forced the owners into a deal by now?
 
2012-11-19 12:18:44 AM

rynthetyn: Boxcutta: rynthetyn: simplicimus: Boxcutta: What the lame stream media won't tell you is that the Florida Division of Elections was being intimidated by New Black Panthers.

I thought the Florida Panthers were extinct.

Gary Bettman killed them.

Welcome to Obama's America.

But I thought 0bama was totally in favor of unions destroying good companies, shouldn't he have forced the owners into a deal by now?


Blah presidents don't care about hockey.
 
2012-11-19 12:39:14 AM

Parthenogenetic: DubyaHater: MisterRonbo: DubyaHater: One more dirty TeaBagger getting the axe. Sounds great to me. Enjoy the circle jerk at Fox News Mr. West.

Is Juan Williams planning to retire?

Because Roger Ailes doesn't need two tokens.

Why not? Maybe having two minorities will draw in black voters, whom the republicans are so desperately trying to pander to at this moment.

They fill two totally different niches!

Juan Williams = used to work for homocommunazi NPR, then saw the light and now sides with Truth, Justice, and the American Way

Allen West = Real American Hero, knows that "24" is a documentary, tough on muslims so we consider him an honorary white man


Until he's walking toward you in the dark, where reality doesn't count honorary, because play time is over.
 
2012-11-19 12:47:32 AM
I look forward to the Florida Supreme Court chiding election officials for "hypertechnical reliance upon statutory provisions" in following dates prescribed by law, just as they did in the Bush recounts.
 
2012-11-19 12:53:52 AM

jso2897: RexTalionis: Edson, however, said other problems arose this morning, when the recount resumed at 8 a.m. The recount showed 900 voters cast ballots in precinct 93, where there are 7 registered voters, Edson said.

You know, I wonder if that's related from the voter roll purges the Republican governor Rick Scott instituted, which means that those people had to cast provisional ballots.

That would be amusingly poetic justice. Anyway, the supremes ruled on this back in 2000 - when it's over, it's over.
It would be hilarious if West managed to get the issue in front of them again. Watching Scalia trying to find a way to flip-flop on his own ruling would be delicious.


You know he would do it. He shredded his concurring opinion in Gonzales v. Raich just to try and stick it Obama. He'd invent some absolutely ludicrous and fanciful distinction between this case and Bush v. Gore that allows him to say Allen West was cheated out of a win.
 
2012-11-19 12:58:42 AM

jjorsett: I look forward to the Florida Supreme Court chiding election officials for "hypertechnical reliance upon statutory provisions" in following dates prescribed by law, just as they did in the Bush recounts.


I did not know that "chiding" was a formal power of the courts.

Say - you're not just talking shiat again, are you?
 
2012-11-19 01:35:24 AM

MisterRonbo: We didn't count some ballots, and double-counted some ballots. And then we stalled until three days before the deadline, and then we, uh, couldn't find the alarm code and so we couldn't stay late and finish. Yeah, that sounds totally legit....Really, Farkers? Really?


With such a close election, I was mildly supportive of West's desire of a recount. That is, until he only wanted the early votes recounted. That's when he lost any high ground. There is only one recount--a full one. Otherwise some votes are getting more scrutiny than others and I think that's a violation of Equal Protection. Either you count all district-wide votes, or none. "Partial" recounts are an inherent violation of the very concept of universal suffrage.
 
2012-11-19 02:28:08 AM

coeyagi: I would love to see a Tim Burton mega-size Cornel West model (a la like something out of Peewee's Big Adventure) devour Allen West. 


Cornell West is Best West!

/or maybe co-best with Adam West
 
2012-11-19 03:06:40 AM
Fun factoid. If this ends up in the Florida Supreme Court, one of the current justices is the guy who refused to allow Florida to just hold a whole new vote in 2000.
 
2012-11-19 03:35:30 AM

TheMysticS:

Cornell West is Best West!

/or maybe co-best with Adam West


Don't forget his ward, Burt Ward
 
2012-11-19 03:43:05 AM
I really don't get why this is an issue.

You don't want the guy who wasn't actually elected to take the position, and you don't want the guy in the position to have a cloud of fraud following his service. Just do the farking recount and move on.
 
2012-11-19 04:01:51 AM

starsrift: I really don't get why this is an issue.

You don't want the guy who wasn't actually elected to take the position, and you don't want the guy in the position to have a cloud of fraud following his service. Just do the farking recount and move on.


----------------------------------

No, that's not how it works. Recounts are done in close elections, where they stand a statistical chance of actually swinging the result. This is not that close of an election. It's not even the closest House election this cycle, or the 2nd closest. It's just the only election where the loser threw a gigantic hissy fit and hired a bunch of lawyers.

Throwing a gigantic hissy fit and hiring a bunch of lawyers does not entitle one to a recount. Being within .5% does. And West is not within .5%, so that's that.
 
2012-11-19 04:08:37 AM

dahmers love zombie: "You repulsive, lying war criminal."

Sock Ruh Tease: "Noted war criminal Allen West loses race..."

coeyagi: "...probably had no idea what a raving lunatic this guy was or that he committed war crimes..."

quatchi: "...someone so blatantly unprepared for and undeserving of the job of representative as convicted war criminal Allen West."



Calling Allen West a "war criminal" cheapens the term to near-meaninglessness. West's "crime" was asking a guy for information without saying please, and making a loud noise.

What he did isn't a war crime any more than telling your kid, "You come here right now or else!" is child abuse.
 
2012-11-19 04:18:51 AM

balloot: starsrift: I really don't get why this is an issue.

You don't want the guy who wasn't actually elected to take the position, and you don't want the guy in the position to have a cloud of fraud following his service. Just do the farking recount and move on.

----------------------------------

No, that's not how it works. Recounts are done in close elections, where they stand a statistical chance of actually swinging the result. This is not that close of an election. It's not even the closest House election this cycle, or the 2nd closest. It's just the only election where the loser threw a gigantic hissy fit and hired a bunch of lawyers.

Throwing a gigantic hissy fit and hiring a bunch of lawyers does not entitle one to a recount. Being within .5% does. And West is not within .5%, so that's that.


Also, the idea of counting and recounting the ballots until you get the desired result is a long and corrupt Florida tradition to the point that it was even referenced in the Humphrey Bogart movie, "Key Largo." Multiple recounts when it's outside of the .5% margin is just asking for fraud in the recount.
 
2012-11-19 04:19:35 AM

spmkk: dahmers love zombie: "You repulsive, lying war criminal."
Sock Ruh Tease: "Noted war criminal Allen West loses race..."
coeyagi: "...probably had no idea what a raving lunatic this guy was or that he committed war crimes..."
quatchi: "...someone so blatantly unprepared for and undeserving of the job of representative as convicted war criminal Allen West."


Calling Allen West a "war criminal" cheapens the term to near-meaninglessness. West's "crime" was asking a guy for information without saying please, and making a loud noise.

What he did isn't a war crime any more than telling your kid, "You come here right now or else!" is child abuse.


Staging a mock execution like he did is a violation of the Geneva Convention and most definitely a war crime.
 
2012-11-19 04:20:43 AM

balloot: Throwing a gigantic hissy fit and hiring a bunch of lawyers does not entitle one to a recount. Being within .5% does. And West is not within .5%, so that's that.


Being outside the mandatory recount percentage does not exclude the possibility of an optional recount.
There are only two reasons to not perform a recount, and those are cost - fine, make West's campaign pay for it - and the possibility of an actual change in results - not probable. So whatever, do it, get it done, and move on.
 
2012-11-19 04:24:01 AM

spmkk: Calling Allen West a "war criminal" cheapens the term to near-meaninglessness. West's "crime" was asking a guy for information without saying please, and making a loud noise.


You are seriously equating a mock execution (a favorite tactic of terrorist groups, btw) to telling a kid to come in for dinner?

And you are expecting a serious response?

*tousles hair*

Get out of here, ya rascal.

/Almost fell for that.
 
2012-11-19 07:18:06 AM

jso2897: RexTalionis: Edson, however, said other problems arose this morning, when the recount resumed at 8 a.m. The recount showed 900 voters cast ballots in precinct 93, where there are 7 registered voters, Edson said.

You know, I wonder if that's related from the voter roll purges the Republican governor Rick Scott instituted, which means that those people had to cast provisional ballots.

That would be amusingly poetic justice. Anyway, the supremes ruled on this back in 2000 - when it's over, it's over.
It would be hilarious if West managed to get the issue in front of them again. Watching Scalia trying to find a way to flip-flop on his own ruling would be delicious.


AHHHHH, a FarkLibtard finally agreeing with the supreme court on the election ruling in 2000. A Farklibtard agrees that Bush won the election.

BWAAAAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now, from this point forward, all libtards must agree Bush won the election, and the Supreme Court made an excellent ruling on the situation. No more biatching, tards.
 
2012-11-19 08:15:33 AM

spmkk: dahmers love zombie: "You repulsive, lying war criminal."
Sock Ruh Tease: "Noted war criminal Allen West loses race..."
coeyagi: "...probably had no idea what a raving lunatic this guy was or that he committed war crimes..."
quatchi: "...someone so blatantly unprepared for and undeserving of the job of representative as convicted war criminal Allen West."


Calling Allen West a "war criminal" cheapens the term to near-meaninglessness. West's "crime" was asking a guy for information without saying please, and making a loud noise.

What he did isn't a war crime any more than telling your kid, "You come here right now or else!" is child abuse.


You know how I know you are a teabagger.

Facts, you dont know them.
 
2012-11-19 08:16:38 AM

Tumunga: AHHHHH, a FarkLibtard finally agreeing with the supreme court on the election ruling in 2000. A Farklibtard agrees that Bush won the election.

BWAAAAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now, from this point forward, all libtards must agree Bush won the election, and the Supreme Court made an excellent ruling on the situation. No more biatching, tards.



You've had so much fun on your vacations, I guess you want another one? lol
 
2012-11-19 09:01:53 AM
Screwing up the election process in that state has finally come back to bite the GOP in the ass. My grandpa, who stopped working elections in that state after the 2000 debacle (they kept ordering him to move the precinct signs away from the main drag so people were having trouble finding the place), is laughing his ass off.
 
2012-11-19 12:27:52 PM

rynthetyn: Calling Allen West a "war criminal" cheapens the term to near-meaninglessness. West's "crime" was asking a guy for information without saying please, and making a loud noise.

What he did isn't a war crime any more than telling your kid, "You come here right now or else!" is child abuse.

Staging a mock execution like he did is a violation of the Geneva Convention and most definitely a war crime.



Just to head off the inevitable [Citation Needed]

"No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind. "

Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War (Article 17)

Fark won't link a https URL (at least one with a self-signed cert), but here is an army URL. cut&paste, but remember to edit out the additional spaces that Fark inserts in a long text string

https://rdl.train.army.mil/catalog/view/100.ATSC/10492372-71C5-4DA5-8 E 6E-649C85E1A280-1300688170771/2-22.3/appa.htm#1 

(if my preview is common to all, change "-8 E 6E-" to "-8E6E-"
 
2012-11-19 03:14:04 PM

starsrift: balloot: Throwing a gigantic hissy fit and hiring a bunch of lawyers does not entitle one to a recount. Being within .5% does. And West is not within .5%, so that's that.

Being outside the mandatory recount percentage does not exclude the possibility of an optional recount.
There are only two reasons to not perform a recount, and those are cost - fine, make West's campaign pay for it - and the possibility of an actual change in results - not probable. So whatever, do it, get it done, and move on.


I thought recounts were covered in 2000. I don't believe the Supreme Court excluded Republicans from their ruling.
 
2012-11-19 03:41:52 PM

rnld: starsrift: balloot: Throwing a gigantic hissy fit and hiring a bunch of lawyers does not entitle one to a recount. Being within .5% does. And West is not within .5%, so that's that.

Being outside the mandatory recount percentage does not exclude the possibility of an optional recount.
There are only two reasons to not perform a recount, and those are cost - fine, make West's campaign pay for it - and the possibility of an actual change in results - not probable. So whatever, do it, get it done, and move on.

I thought recounts were covered in 2000. I don't believe the Supreme Court excluded Republicans from their ruling.


Personally, I'm waiting for a consortium of journalists to step in and do an independent recount by paying the county to display each ballot (under Florida's Sunshine Law), photograph them and count them..


/not really Maybe the Freepers will do it.
 
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