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(Forbes)   Nintendo Wii U consoles sold out, already selling for over $500 on Ebay   (forbes.com) divider line 154
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2012-11-18 11:22:46 AM
I was at Walmart this morning. They had 3. Guess I should've bought one...
 
2012-11-18 01:02:40 PM
Looking at it on eBay, most of them are going for slightly over market value. And when I say that, I mean "what they appear to be selling for", not "what people are asking for it". Not really the kind of margin worth taking a chance on 300-dollar hardware.
 
2012-11-18 03:08:55 PM

Mike_LowELL: Looking at it on eBay, most of them are going for slightly over market value. And when I say that, I mean "what they appear to be selling for", not "what people are asking for it". Not really the kind of margin worth taking a chance on 300-dollar hardware.


Especially when you consider the fact that ebay takes ten percent of the final sale value, plus listing fees, plus paypal fees.
 
2012-11-18 03:12:49 PM
We live in a world Sega created, Sony funded and Microsoft made integrated.

Nintendo decided to join the party a decade late.
 
2012-11-18 03:16:07 PM

miniflea: Especially when you consider the fact that ebay takes ten percent of the final sale value, plus listing fees, plus paypal fees.


Forgot to mention that, and yeah, it pretty much destroys the "Buy Wii U Get Rich Quick" scheme. As somebody who is genuinely interested in a device, the lack of a manic panic rush to purchase the console slightly concerns me, but we all knew this was going to happen.

Jedekai: Nintendo decided to join the party a decade late.


If I get a catalog of games roughly on-par with the Nintendo GameCube, then I'll be perfectly happy with it.
 
2012-11-18 03:17:36 PM
I remember being pretty interested in these things about a month ago, now not so much. Maybe if I'm passing through a store and see one, ah well.
 
2012-11-18 03:22:28 PM
I saw earlier today that there's a day one patch that checks in at 5 GB. So if you get the non-premium version of the console, you get to lose nearly half of your console storage. Also, if you manage to lose power to the device during the 5 GB download, you now own a very attractive brick.
 
2012-11-18 03:29:23 PM
Media contrived shiat.. They are available.. Limited supply? Sure.. Completely impossible to find? Not even close.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-18 03:30:08 PM
Then 9 months later, they'll either be gather dust in a closet somewhere, or going for $100 on Craigslist.
 
2012-11-18 03:30:49 PM
Yes, this totally is worth the 349.99 + 69.99 for the game.

images.g4tv.com

storage.siliconera.com

media.nintendo.com

images.nintendolife.com 

Whoops one of those images is from the old wii game. Guess which one?

Oh and no online multiplayer. Awesome.
 
2012-11-18 03:32:30 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Yes, this totally is worth the 349.99 + 69.99 for the game.

[images.g4tv.com image 606x341]

[storage.siliconera.com image 563x318]

[media.nintendo.com image 519x293]

[images.nintendolife.com image 850x478] 

Whoops one of those images is from the old wii game. Guess which one?

Oh and no online multiplayer. Awesome.


Why are you posting pictures of Gamecube?
 
2012-11-18 03:32:32 PM
No surprise to me i fully expect the [price to spike just before the cut for mail to make it by Christmas.
 
2012-11-18 03:33:35 PM

NeoCortex42: I saw earlier today that there's a day one patch that checks in at 5 GB. So if you get the non-premium version of the console, you get to lose nearly half of your console storage. Also, if you manage to lose power to the device during the 5 GB download, you now own a very attractive brick.


I'm sure Nintendo would service any bricked WiiU... unless you did so trying to jailbreak it. But losing your new WiiU for a couple of weeks would still suck.

Nintendo is still behind with small storage sizes, a lack of achievement system and online profiles.

/I'll still buy one when I become gainfully employed again
 
2012-11-18 03:37:33 PM

styckx: Britney Spear's Speculum: Yes, this totally is worth the 349.99 + 69.99 for the game.

[images.g4tv.com image 606x341]

[storage.siliconera.com image 563x318]

[media.nintendo.com image 519x293]

[images.nintendolife.com image 850x478] 

Whoops one of those images is from the old wii game. Guess which one?

Oh and no online multiplayer. Awesome.

Why are you posting pictures of Gamecube?


Because it's a Nintendo system. Technicolor vomit and crippled hardware for all!

/Oh; and a new Metroid game featuring Shameless Aryan and developed by... oh, who farking cares. It isn't Metroid anymore.
 
kab
2012-11-18 03:39:10 PM
I thought the 99% were cash strapped? Or was that just last year?
 
2012-11-18 03:40:36 PM
I've pretty much settled on waiting until the system has a better game library, but are there any launch titles really worth the effort?
 
2012-11-18 03:42:36 PM

Jedekai: styckx: Britney Spear's Speculum: Yes, this totally is worth the 349.99 + 69.99 for the game.

[images.g4tv.com image 606x341]

[storage.siliconera.com image 563x318]

[media.nintendo.com image 519x293]

[images.nintendolife.com image 850x478] 

Whoops one of those images is from the old wii game. Guess which one?

Oh and no online multiplayer. Awesome.

Why are you posting pictures of Gamecube?

Because it's a Nintendo system. Technicolor vomit and crippled hardware for all!

/Oh; and a new Metroid game featuring Shameless Aryan and developed by... oh, who farking cares. It isn't Metroid anymore.


I agree.. Nintendo has been dead since the N64.. Ever since then they went full Apple and EA sports.. The ut-most minimal hardware upgrades, then repackage the the same shiat in a new case w/ one over priced feature.

I'm willing to be there are still lines of code in the Wii-U firmware dating back to 1996
 
2012-11-18 03:43:59 PM

Jedekai: Because it's a Nintendo system. Technicolor vomit and crippled hardware for all!

/Oh; and a new Metroid game featuring Shameless Aryan and developed by... oh, who farking cares. It isn't Metroid anymore.


I take it Nintendo is going to just corner the kiddie and older folks market from now on while Xbox and Sony go after the 12-30 age range. Oh well, bye Nintendo.
 
2012-11-18 03:44:29 PM

NeoCortex42: I saw earlier today that there's a day one patch that checks in at 5 GB. So if you get the non-premium version of the console, you get to lose nearly half of your console storage.


Patches rarely add their entire size to the OS. Unless the patch is actually new content, what's more likely is that those 5 gigs will replace existing files. So you'll need 5 gigs of free space to perform the patch, but then that space will be freed when it's done. Apple does similar stuff with their major iOS releases.
 
2012-11-18 03:46:14 PM
This crap where they only let console units trickle in little-by-little to extend the hype is why I never got a Wii. I wasn't about to spend my free-time running down stores or camping out early so I have a shot at getting one, then having to do the same to get another controller. By the time the hype was over and the console was easy to get like anything else that's for sale in a modern economy, I lost interest in the idea of having one.
 
2012-11-18 03:51:56 PM
Okay, this is just stupid:
Link

If you are an adult, you can register online no problem. If you are a minor, you have to enter a credit card and be charged $0.50 to prove you have your parents' permission. Unless you lie and say you're an adult, in which case you can register online with no problem.

Why does Nintendo have such a problem with online functionality?
 
2012-11-18 03:52:15 PM

styckx: I agree.. Nintendo has been dead since the N64.. Ever since then they went full Apple and EA sports.. The ut-most minimal hardware upgrades, then repackage the the same shiat in a new case w/ one over priced feature.


In other words, Apple.
 
2012-11-18 03:53:42 PM

animal900: NeoCortex42: I saw earlier today that there's a day one patch that checks in at 5 GB. So if you get the non-premium version of the console, you get to lose nearly half of your console storage.

Patches rarely add their entire size to the OS. Unless the patch is actually new content, what's more likely is that those 5 gigs will replace existing files. So you'll need 5 gigs of free space to perform the patch, but then that space will be freed when it's done. Apple does similar stuff with their major iOS releases.


A lot of the patch is adding new content/functionality, though. It is eating into the available memory a bit, and just goes to show how uselessly small the basic system model is.
 
2012-11-18 03:54:28 PM
I'm going to pass on this one. My Wii was fun and all, when I had a party. Otherwise it just sits under the TV, unused.

It's the lack of processing capability that proved its undoing with me. The Wii had lame specs on its hardware, so the graphics were lackluster. Graphics aren't everything - we definitely had a lot of fun playing tennis and bowling during parties - but they do matter. For my regular gaming the eye candy just wasn't enough to compete.

So from what I understand this one doesn't seem like it's going to be any match for the graphics power of the next Xbox and Playstation - hobbling the Wii U games in the long run as well. Really was hoping Nintendo would have done better on the specs this time around...
 
2012-11-18 03:56:05 PM

NeoCortex42: Okay, this is just stupid:
Link

If you are an adult, you can register online no problem. If you are a minor, you have to enter a credit card and be charged $0.50 to prove you have your parents' permission. Unless you lie and say you're an adult, in which case you can register online with no problem.

Why does Nintendo have such a problem with online functionality?


That's not actually intended to be effective. That's what you might call a "cover your bases" move that will protect Nintendo from accusations that their online consoles are unsafe for kids/allow pedos to find them/whatever else Fox News finds to be scared about.

In short, it looks like you're doing something when in reality it's meaningless.
 
2012-11-18 03:57:21 PM
I can't believe how badly Nintendo bombed again. What a shame
 
2012-11-18 03:59:41 PM

mongbiohazard: For my regular gaming the eye candy just wasn't enough to compete.


So you'd rather play Crysis than Super Metroid?
 
2012-11-18 03:59:45 PM

mongbiohazard: I'm going to pass on this one. My Wii was fun and all, when I had a party. Otherwise it just sits under the TV, unused.

It's the lack of processing capability that proved its undoing with me. The Wii had lame specs on its hardware, so the graphics were lackluster. Graphics aren't everything - we definitely had a lot of fun playing tennis and bowling during parties - but they do matter. For my regular gaming the eye candy just wasn't enough to compete.

So from what I understand this one doesn't seem like it's going to be any match for the graphics power of the next Xbox and Playstation - hobbling the Wii U games in the long run as well. Really was hoping Nintendo would have done better on the specs this time around...


I don't think the biggest problem of the Wii was graphics (although it was a weak point). Nintendo managed to make some great looking games with Super Mario Galaxy, for instance.

The biggest weakness of the Wii was the software support. There was very little good third-party software. All of the great games were produced by Nintendo.
 
2012-11-18 04:03:28 PM
Really? I mean really? Were there that many people who wanted to be first day buyers on this? I mean, great get one if you want but I just don't see that great of a demand.
 
2012-11-18 04:03:42 PM
I might buy one this week if I spot one in the wild. Still deciding, but enjoyed the heck outta my Wii.
 
2012-11-18 04:07:40 PM
I will say this, I have a release day wii that I hacked with the HBC and what-have-you. I have the NES, snes and N64 emulators so it pretty much allows me to have every nintendo title from my childhood in one system.
 
2012-11-18 04:08:03 PM

Mike_LowELL: miniflea: Especially when you consider the fact that ebay takes ten percent of the final sale value, plus listing fees, plus paypal fees.

Forgot to mention that, and yeah, it pretty much destroys the "Buy Wii U Get Rich Quick" scheme. As somebody who is genuinely interested in a device, the lack of a manic panic rush to purchase the console slightly concerns me, but we all knew this was going to happen.

Jedekai: Nintendo decided to join the party a decade late.

If I get a catalog of games roughly on-par with the Nintendo GameCube, then I'll be perfectly happy with it.


Don't worry, you'll get the Game Cube catalog with one additional board each and use of the tablet thingee mandatory and tacked on
 
2012-11-18 04:11:53 PM

Wii.Tard: styckx: I agree.. Nintendo has been dead since the N64.. Ever since then they went full Apple and EA sports.. The ut-most minimal hardware upgrades, then repackage the the same shiat in a new case w/ one over priced feature.

In other words, Apple.


Only Apple as seen by farkers. iPhone 5 benchmarks completely show that it's the fatest smartphone, hardly an "minimal hardware upgrade". But please, feel free to ignore reality.
 
2012-11-18 04:16:36 PM

NeoCortex42: Okay, this is just stupid:
Link

If you are an adult, you can register online no problem. If you are a minor, you have to enter a credit card and be charged $0.50 to prove you have your parents' permission. Unless you lie and say you're an adult, in which case you can register online with no problem.

Why does Nintendo have such a problem with online functionality?


Having known people who worked for Nintendo, their whole motto is protecting children because they know/think their bread is buttered by the child/family market. So they will never put themselves into a situation where they could be perceived to be corrupting children or allowing some sort of situation where a child/parent might be offended by something related to their product. Every single thing they make is carefully chosen and must be checked by lots of different people to make sure it falls inline with the Nintendo brand and to make sure it doesn't offend anyone including animations, art, themes, story plots, etc. They avoid online interactions as much as possible due to this issue since it is completely unpredictable (other than the fact that they can predict people will be jerks and inappropriate). Anyway, this is mostly just to protect their asses legally.
 
2012-11-18 04:19:46 PM

OriginalGamer: Wii.Tard: styckx: I agree.. Nintendo has been dead since the N64.. Ever since then they went full Apple and EA sports.. The ut-most minimal hardware upgrades, then repackage the the same shiat in a new case w/ one over priced feature.

In other words, Apple.

Only Apple as seen by farkers. iPhone 5 benchmarks completely show that it's the fatest smartphone, hardly an "minimal hardware upgrade". But please, feel free to ignore reality.


Oh yeah well The Jerk Store called and they're running out of you!
 
2012-11-18 04:21:57 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Yes, this totally is worth the 349.99 + 69.99 for the game.

[images.g4tv.com image 606x341]

[storage.siliconera.com image 563x318]

[media.nintendo.com image 519x293]

[images.nintendolife.com image 850x478] 

Whoops one of those images is from the old wii game. Guess which one?

Oh and no online multiplayer. Awesome.


third one. COOKIE!!!!!

www.riverviewai.com
 
2012-11-18 04:23:43 PM
I don't get WiiU. How is it different than a Wii, except for the DS controller (which I don't particularly see the appeal for)?

I'm not being snarky, I am really interested to find out what is new about it. Is it supposed to actually be powerful enough to handle more hardcore games? Or is it just that you can run it with a controller with a mini screen?
 
2012-11-18 04:28:06 PM

burndtdan: I don't get WiiU. How is it different than a Wii, except for the DS controller (which I don't particularly see the appeal for)?

I'm not being snarky, I am really interested to find out what is new about it. Is it supposed to actually be powerful enough to handle more hardcore games? Or is it just that you can run it with a controller with a mini screen?


It can actually output 1080p content and has an HDMI port. The big selling point is the tablet controller. As far as raw power, I think it ranks above the 360/PS3, but will probably end up being well behind the 720/PS4 when those eventually release.

It's completely backwards compatible with the Wii. In fact, it requires some Wii hardware like the remotes and nunchucks for multiplayer games. However,it does drop Gamecube support entirely.
 
2012-11-18 04:37:11 PM

burndtdan: I don't get WiiU. How is it different than a Wii, except for the DS controller (which I don't particularly see the appeal for)?

I'm not being snarky, I am really interested to find out what is new about it. Is it supposed to actually be powerful enough to handle more hardcore games? Or is it just that you can run it with a controller with a mini screen?


It does HD and supports an Xbox-like wireless controller. Most of the launch games are ports, like Assassins Creed, Arkham, and Black Ops.

They're also pushing remote-control functionality for your tv, with channel guides and such. At the very least, the touchscreen will make it easier to type shiat in. Can't count the number of times PS3 wants me to enter my netflix email and password.
 
2012-11-18 04:46:56 PM

OriginalGamer: Wii.Tard: styckx: I agree.. Nintendo has been dead since the N64.. Ever since then they went full Apple and EA sports.. The ut-most minimal hardware upgrades, then repackage the the same shiat in a new case w/ one over priced feature.

In other words, Apple.

Only Apple as seen by farkers. iPhone 5 benchmarks completely show that it's the fatest smartphone, hardly an "minimal hardware upgrade". But please, feel free to ignore reality.


Finally got LTE after everyone and their grandmother had it, the 5 also has horrible battery life unless you throttle it back to 3g, not to mention the unitended data use on Verizon and ATT, that they had too patch, and horrible maps.

I have one and my Galaxy S2 has a bigger screen and is just a better phone.

The mhz wars are over on cell phones, being faster really doesnt matter, when there is nothing really to showcase the speed of the phone but a benchmark.

And 90% of all iphone users barely use any of the features on the phone, and have them as a status symbol.

/customer service mgr at one of the largest carriers, and I speak to entitled iphone users every day.
 
2012-11-18 04:51:11 PM

NeoCortex42: It's completely backwards compatible with the Wii


Oh snap, really?

If that's true then I may get one. Me and the GF were talking about it and decided we weren't going to get it since we don't play the Wii enough to warrant getting a new system AND trashing out old games... I may know what to get her for Christmas now.

Do you know if I can transfer over games we bought and DL'd to the Wii? or are those lost? (we have some classic Nintendo games like Super Mario 3)
 
2012-11-18 04:52:40 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Yes, this totally is worth the 349.99 + 69.99 for the game.

[images.g4tv.com image 606x341]

[storage.siliconera.com image 563x318]

[media.nintendo.com image 519x293]

[images.nintendolife.com image 850x478] 

Whoops one of those images is from the old wii game. Guess which one?

Oh and no online multiplayer. Awesome.


why are there still side scroller games? seriously. hasnt video game play advanced since 1984?

does anyone have one? what is your impression of it? I had a wii and loved it immensely for about 2 months, before never touching it again, and eventually selling it when i realized it had collected so much dust. im not terribly excited to get a wiiu, sadly.
 
2012-11-18 05:15:52 PM
mongbiohazard : It's the lack of processing capability that proved its undoing with me. The Wii had lame specs on its hardware, so the graphics were lackluster. Graphics aren't everything - we definitely had a lot of fun playing tennis and bowling during parties - but they do matter. For my regular gaming the eye candy just wasn't enough to compete.

I was a big Nintendo fan, back in the SNES days, then I discovered desktop gaming, and by the time I went back to consoles, it was xbox time for me.

The Wii's lack of processing power doesn't just show in graphics.

You also need horsepower to crunch physics and enemy AI (either having a few "smart" enemies, or hundreds of "dumb" enemies). EX, look at what Dead Rising turned into on the Wii.
 
2012-11-18 05:19:15 PM

Malacon: NeoCortex42: It's completely backwards compatible with the Wii

Oh snap, really?

If that's true then I may get one. Me and the GF were talking about it and decided we weren't going to get it since we don't play the Wii enough to warrant getting a new system AND trashing out old games... I may know what to get her for Christmas now.

Do you know if I can transfer over games we bought and DL'd to the Wii? or are those lost? (we have some classic Nintendo games like Super Mario 3)


Yes, you can transfer everything from a Wii. It's a one-time operation that carries over most of your WiiWare and Virtual console games as well as any gamesaves (except Gamecube) on the system. It's done by swapping an SD card back and forth between the Wii and the Wii U.

All of the Wii peripherals are compatible with the Wii U. Any game with more than one play will require at least a Wii remote. So those will definitely be around for a while.
 
2012-11-18 05:29:44 PM

thisiszombocom: why are there still side scroller games? seriously. hasnt video game play advanced since 1984?


Because 2D games can focus on design and mechanics over adding another layer of texture to some rocks? Some of the best 2D games came out in the 90's, and there have been amazing ones released in just the last year. You don't have to like them, but that comment is retarded.
 
2012-11-18 05:35:24 PM
Quick question: Can I use it to watch shows stored on a thumb drive, like I can on PS3?
 
2012-11-18 05:44:14 PM
OK, we get it. People buy stuff to resell it on Ebay and then after Christmas return it to the store when it doesn't sell. Can't stores charge a restocking fee on anything returned after Christmas that was bought more than 30 days before?
 
2012-11-18 05:46:47 PM

thisiszombocom: Britney Spear's Speculum: Yes, this totally is worth the 349.99 + 69.99 for the game.

why are there still side scroller games? seriously. hasnt video game play advanced since 1984?


Why are there still FPS games? Jeez... I played my first FPS in the mid-80s on my Commodore 64, and the first one was developed in the late 1970s.
Why are there still RPGs? Hasn't video game play advanced since the mid 1970s?
Why are there still puzzle games? Hasn't video game play advanced since the late 1960s?
Why are there still books? Hasn't reading evolved since the 5th century?
 
2012-11-18 05:50:32 PM
I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.
 
2012-11-18 05:54:14 PM

Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.


A fool and his money...
 
2012-11-18 05:55:20 PM

Fano: Don't worry, you'll get the Game Cube catalog with one additional board each and use of the tablet thingee mandatory and tacked on


If you're telling me that I'm getting a slight upgrade over Resident Evil 4, P.N. 03, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 4, and Metroid Prime, and other games like Viewtiful Joe, I'll take it.
 
2012-11-18 05:56:02 PM
If anybody is still looking for one, Walmart has it available online. It's a bundle so you have to pick two games.
 
2012-11-18 05:56:52 PM
Doc Daneeka: As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

I was more interested in the Wii for the gamecube backward compatibility, but then they yanked that. And I just stopped caring.

// need to catch up on ratchet and clank on the PS3 side. After I'm done with fallout NV, and Skyrim, etc.

// too many games, not enough time to game :^/
 
2012-11-18 06:00:34 PM

Malacon: NeoCortex42: It's completely backwards compatible with the Wii

Oh snap, really?

If that's true then I may get one. Me and the GF were talking about it and decided we weren't going to get it since we don't play the Wii enough to warrant getting a new system AND trashing out old games... I may know what to get her for Christmas now.

Do you know if I can transfer over games we bought and DL'd to the Wii? or are those lost? (we have some classic Nintendo games like Super Mario 3)


yeah, you just need an SD Card http://www.destructoid.com/this-is-how-wii-to-wii-u-transfers-are-goi n g-down-son-238189.phtml
 
2012-11-18 06:04:56 PM

thisiszombocom: why are there still side scroller games? seriously. hasnt video game play advanced since 1984?


Not really, no. The third person action game is the new side scroller/platformer now. Everything's based off Grand Theft Auto 3.
 
2012-11-18 06:05:55 PM

moothemagiccow: burndtdan: I don't get WiiU. How is it different than a Wii, except for the DS controller (which I don't particularly see the appeal for)?

I'm not being snarky, I am really interested to find out what is new about it. Is it supposed to actually be powerful enough to handle more hardcore games? Or is it just that you can run it with a controller with a mini screen?

It does HD and supports an Xbox-like wireless controller. Most of the launch games are ports, like Assassins Creed, Arkham, and Black Ops.

They're also pushing remote-control functionality for your tv, with channel guides and such. At the very least, the touchscreen will make it easier to type shiat in. Can't count the number of times PS3 wants me to enter my netflix email and password.


The Ps3 does support USB keyboards, ya know...
 
2012-11-18 06:06:51 PM
People with the mental perspective of a teenage fanboy keep making excuses for this iteration of Nintendo hardware, but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360 that are over 5 years old, and their best launch game is a rehash of a game that is over 25 years old. Unless Nintendo is officially determined to corner the 10 and under demo, then they deserve to go bankrupt.
 
2012-11-18 06:09:22 PM

lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.


The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.
 
2012-11-18 06:10:47 PM

MayoSlather: People with the mental perspective of a teenage fanboy keep making excuses for this iteration of Nintendo hardware, but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360 that are over 5 years old, and their best launch game is a rehash of a game that is over 25 years old. Unless Nintendo is officially determined to corner the 10 and under demo, then they deserve to go bankrupt.


Rehash of a 14 year old game. The modern zelda games are as far from the NES version as you can get.
 
2012-11-18 06:12:20 PM

secularsage: The Ps3 does support USB keyboards, ya know...


Think I need more crap in my living room just because the netflix app sucks? If I hit stop at the wrong time everything goes to shiat.
 
2012-11-18 06:13:12 PM

Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.


And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.
 
2012-11-18 06:14:24 PM

MayoSlather: but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360


So the best games are the ones with the best graphics?
 
2012-11-18 06:16:05 PM

Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.


I hate anyone that still uses the word "hater" in 2013.. Even Juggalos don't use that anymore.
 
2012-11-18 06:17:44 PM

thisiszombocom: Britney Spear's Speculum: why are there still side scroller games? seriously. hasnt video game play advanced since 1984?


Hey! If we get rid of side scrollers, we'll never get another Mischief Makers!

/A man can dream
 
2012-11-18 06:18:06 PM
I will probably buy one at some point but I have plenty of games to catch up on already. If only I didn't have to earn a living.
 
2012-11-18 06:21:01 PM

Popcorn Johnny: MayoSlather: but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360

So the best games are the ones with the best graphics?


No, but it helps sometimes. Just look at the difference between the original Dead Rising and the Wii version. It ended up being a joke of a port.
 
2012-11-18 06:24:15 PM

Popcorn Johnny: MayoSlather: but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360

So the best games are the ones with the best graphics?


Was that my argument? Nope.
 
2012-11-18 06:25:06 PM

MayoSlather: Was that my argument? Nope.


That's exactly what your argument was.
 
2012-11-18 06:25:18 PM
moothemagiccow: The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control.

Well the last Zelda game that I played was a link to the past, so I would be starting with the gamecube era games.

I basically see the Wii as an overclocked gamecube.

// The motion sensitivity thing is not even a thing for me. Though on the xbox, I was impressed with err, whatever their thing does (forgot the name of it), but wasn't interested enough to actually buy the thing (I am amused at people hacking it to use for other purposes though).
 
2012-11-18 06:25:35 PM

NeoCortex42: Popcorn Johnny: MayoSlather: but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360

So the best games are the ones with the best graphics?

No, but it helps sometimes. Just look at the difference between the original Dead Rising and the Wii version. It ended up being a joke of a port.


image.gamespotcdn.net
 
2012-11-18 06:31:12 PM

moothemagiccow: MayoSlather: People with the mental perspective of a teenage fanboy keep making excuses for this iteration of Nintendo hardware, but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360 that are over 5 years old, and their best launch game is a rehash of a game that is over 25 years old. Unless Nintendo is officially determined to corner the 10 and under demo, then they deserve to go bankrupt.

Rehash of a 14 year old game. The modern zelda games are as far from the NES version as you can get.


Nintendo launched the NES with Super Mario Bros in 1985. That's 27 years by my count. Is there a Zelda game at launch that I'm not aware of?
 
2012-11-18 06:34:29 PM

Popcorn Johnny: MayoSlather: Was that my argument? Nope.

That's exactly what your argument was.


So you're going to play the intentionally obtuse role here? That's what I'm assuming, or you really are as dumb as you are pretending.
 
2012-11-18 06:37:43 PM

styckx: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

I hate anyone that still uses the word "hater" in 2013.. Even Juggalos don't use that anymore.


Not to take a side in this, but "hater" in that context, "BLANK-hater", isn't dated. It's normal, everyday English that has been in use since the word "hate" was developed.

Even in 1880, if one hates the theatre, they're a theatre-hater, and if one loves the theatre, they're a theatre-lover.

Now, you'd have a point if he just said "I see all the haters are out in force" because "hater" by itself is a fairly recent development in English (the earliest I heard it was the mid-1980s, but it seemed to get pretty popular in the 90s). However, he didn't say "haters", he said "Nintendo-haters", which is a perfectly cromulent use of a hyphenated word string. Complaining about people saying "subject-hater" is kind of like complaining if someone says "fan" instead of root word "fanatic".

And if you're going to complain about "hater" in any sense, then I'd better goddamn never see you use the word "cosplay" in a sentence.
 
2012-11-18 06:40:50 PM
Popcorn Johnny : That's exactly what your argument was.

Please refer to my "horsepower == better AI" argument.

Better tools == the potential for much better games

That's not to say that a game with low overhead isn't good. But as a gamer, I want everything. I want my simple fun games, but I also want my big immersive graphically intensive games, and the simple fact is that there are just some things you can't do on the Wii due to the lack of horsepower.

I couldn't use it as just my primary system, and as a secondary system, I have to judge it on what I don't already get from my main consoles.

I already had an XBOX 360 with dozens of games, but then bought a PS3 (for uncharted, little big planet, heavy rain, and the ratchet and clank series). And I paid a price for the PS3 that reflected the value of those games to me.

The Wii unfortunately never did it for me. I'm actually thinking of grabbing a dirt cheap gamecube now.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-11-18 06:46:24 PM

Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.


Their marketing strategy is having a stable of renowned and iconic gaming franchises for which they put out new installments that are of consistently high quality, usually among the best titles on their console, which will in turn induce people to buy said console?

You're right, that's quite a marketing scam they have running there. Putting out great games in beloved franchises that people want to buy. But you can see right through them and their trickery.
 
2012-11-18 06:46:31 PM
I will say, however, that the hyphens weren't necessary.
 
2012-11-18 06:48:25 PM

styckx: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

I hate
anyone that still uses the word "hater" in 2013.. Even Juggalos don't use that anymore.


By that way, that makes you a hater-hater.
 
2012-11-18 06:49:44 PM

MayoSlather: moothemagiccow: MayoSlather: People with the mental perspective of a teenage fanboy keep making excuses for this iteration of Nintendo hardware, but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360 that are over 5 years old, and their best launch game is a rehash of a game that is over 25 years old. Unless Nintendo is officially determined to corner the 10 and under demo, then they deserve to go bankrupt.

Rehash of a 14 year old game. The modern zelda games are as far from the NES version as you can get.

Nintendo launched the NES with Super Mario Bros in 1985. That's 27 years by my count. Is there a Zelda game at launch that I'm not aware of?


oo that makes more sense
 
2012-11-18 06:52:56 PM

Doc Daneeka: Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.

Their marketing strategy is having a stable of renowned and iconic gaming franchises for which they put out new installments that are of consistently high quality, usually among the best titles on their console, which will in turn induce people to buy said console?

You're right, that's quite a marketing scam they have running there. Putting out great games in beloved franchises that people want to buy. But you can see right through them and their trickery.


Except I didn't say it was a scam. I merely pointed out that Nintendo markets the big 3(Mario/Metroid/Zelda) and little else. That's why so many Wii are nothing more than dust collectors that only get hauled out for parties every so often. So good on Nintendo for having some entrenched franchises that sell consoles, but shame on them for giving you little else.
 
2012-11-18 07:07:49 PM

Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.

Their marketing strategy is having a stable of renowned and iconic gaming franchises for which they put out new installments that are of consistently high quality, usually among the best titles on their console, which will in turn induce people to buy said console?

You're right, that's quite a marketing scam they have running there. Putting out great games in beloved franchises that people want to buy. But you can see right through them and their trickery.

Except I didn't say it was a scam. I merely pointed out that Nintendo markets the big 3(Mario/Metroid/Zelda) and little else. That's why so many Wii are nothing more than dust collectors that only get hauled out for parties every so often. So good on Nintendo for having some entrenched franchises that sell consoles, but shame on them for giving you little else.


That's not entirely true.

Nintendo also released for the Wii a new Animal Crossing, two new Kirbies, a new Donkey-Kong Country, a new Punch-Out, a new Fire Emblem, and others. They released a new Golden Sun for DS, a new Kid Icarus for 3DS, and one of their notable games coming soon to WiiU is Pikmin 3. So it's just not true that Nintendo focuses only on those three franchises. They generally release new games from almost all if them.

Beside which, even their "Mario" games encompass a broad array of different genres: platforming, racing (Mario Kart), fighting (Smash Bros), RPGs (Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi), sports (Mario Golf/Tennis/Sluggers/Strikers), etc.

I'm more than satisfied with Nintendo's software offerings. But they should not be responsible for providing all the good games on their console. It's the third-parties who really dropped the ball with the Wii. It's really "shame on them for giving us little else."
 
2012-11-18 07:10:17 PM

Doc Daneeka: But they should not be responsible for providing all the good games on their console. It's the third-parties who really dropped the ball with the Wii. It's really "shame on them for giving us little else."


Nintendo sorta encourages and nurtures the kids+family environment that isn't so good for selling yearly installments of Madden, the latest FPS craze and/or shovelware.
 
2012-11-18 07:10:45 PM
I don't think Nintendo is going for kids and old people. I think they're providing for the non typical gamers. I enjoy the Wii as a fun system and it's great for parties since you can get people up and being silly. The other systems are normally just sit down and push buttons. If I still cared enough to really play involved games I might look into a PS3 or 360, but I just want to have some fun so don't care if the graphics and power aren't top of the line.

Might get a WiiU if it seems interesting enough. Wouldn't be till after Christmas though. Don't care enough about it to fight the crowds and pay a premium.
 
2012-11-18 07:13:01 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: I will say this, I have a release day wii that I hacked with the HBC and what-have-you. I have the NES, snes and N64 emulators so it pretty much allows me to have every nintendo title from my childhood in one system.


This is what I did before I modded an original xbox as an emulator. Works real well. Ended up being the only thing I used it for
 
2012-11-18 07:14:40 PM

Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: Except I didn't say it was a scam. I merely pointed out that Nintendo markets the big 3(Mario/Metroid/Zelda) and little else. That's why so many Wii are nothing more than dust collectors that only get hauled out for parties every so often. So good on Nintendo for having some entrenched franchises that sell consoles, but shame on them for giving you little else.


Because the PS3 and 360 are so immune to shovel ware?

Also, apart from your "big 3", the Wii had Xenoblade, Monster Hunter Tri, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Trauma Center, Okami, Kirby's Epic Yarn, WarioWare, Last Story, and Rune Factory. Granted, some other Nintendo franchises in there, but hardly JUST Mario/Metroid/Zelda. I'd actually argue that the Metroid/Zelda Wii games are probably weaker than the other games on the system.
 
2012-11-18 07:16:18 PM

tomcatadam: Nintendo sorta encourages and nurtures the kids+family environment that isn't so good for selling yearly installments of Madden, the latest FPS craze and/or shovelware.


One of those things is NOT like the other....

I'm sure I've seen annual Madden on Wii, and I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one piece of shovelware.

/FPS make me motion sick, I'll be getting a Wii U.
 
2012-11-18 07:20:24 PM

Doc Daneeka: I'm more than satisfied with Nintendo's software offerings. But they should not be responsible for providing all the good games on their console. It's the third-parties who really dropped the ball with the Wii. It's really "shame on them for giving us little else."


IMO, the "innovative" control setup of the Wii becomes "gimmick" when it comes to third party stuff. It was the same reason why I got rid of my DS... there was no point to the gimmick of the stylus screen, and it just got in the way of third party development. There's just no real point to making the Wii-mote work if you're a developer.

We do like the Wii in our household. I'm not a big fan of it, though.

/Wii-U? Maybe when there's a Zelda title, and it's on sale. The next console I might get would be a PS3 for a second bluray player & to play the Uncharted series.

moothemagiccow: The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.


My son beat Skyward Sword on Hero mode when he was 4 years old (having already smashed the normal mode in SS), and he doesn't spend all day playing video games.
 
2012-11-18 07:23:24 PM

ZeroCorpse:
Why are there still books? Hasn't reading evolved since the 5th century?


And books in the 5th century actually looked better, like they were hand penned with care. Now a days, it's all mass produced crap, and even the alphabet is smaller. :(
 
2012-11-18 07:26:30 PM

Doc Daneeka: I'm more than satisfied with Nintendo's software offerings. But they should not be responsible for providing all the good games on their console. It's the third-parties who really dropped the ball with the Wii. It's really "shame on them for giving us little else."


The question you should be asking is why weren't third party developers making games for the Wii. the answer is pretty interesting.


Summoner101:

Because the PS3 and 360 are so immune to shovel ware?1>

Never said otherwise.

Also, apart from your "big 3", the Wii had Xenoblade, Monster Hunter Tri, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Trauma Center, Okami, Kirby's Epic Yarn, WarioWare, Last Story, and Rune Factory. Granted, some other Nintendo franchises in there, but hardly JUST Mario/Metroid/Zelda. I'd actually argue that the Metroid/Zelda Wii games are probably weaker than the other games on the system.

Point taken. Perhaps "Nintendo franchise games" would have been a better phrase. As I've said before in previous threads on this issue, Nintendo has let third party support fall by the wayside over the last decade so I'm really curios to see what happens with the U.

 
2012-11-18 07:45:52 PM
Has everyone forgotten bayonetta 2?

What is Nintendo doing sponsoring an M rated game?

upload.wikimedia.org

Never mind, carry on.

/dat ass
 
2012-11-18 08:06:32 PM

styckx: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

I hate anyone that still uses the word "hater" in 2013.. Even Juggalos don't use that anymore.


Hey, can you give us some stock tips and Lotto numbers?
 
2012-11-18 08:08:06 PM

viscountalpha: Has everyone forgotten bayonetta 2?

What is Nintendo doing sponsoring an M rated game?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x290]

Never mind, carry on.

/dat ass


Literally because they were the only company that wanted to publish the game. That I don't have a problem with.

The sad part about the WiiU is that, even if it really... REALLY doesn't work, NIntendo will still be fine because of the 3DS. I have a Vita, love my Vita, but the thing will never compete with Nintendo's handhelds. They simply have too big and loyal of a fanbase now, and the games go to the handheld with the larger install base. I still have a feeling that the Vita will be the GameCube of handhelds... it won't sell well at all next to everything else, but it will have a few handfuls of games that everyone will want to play later on when it gets cheaper.

I don't have a problem with Nintendo's success, but every console manufacturer needs a low point every now and then to keep them straight. Nintendo had the GameCube, Sony had the PS3, and I got a feeling Microsoft might do really bad this next gen if they make the XBox 720 a Windows 8 console. I grew out of Nintendo, and it hasn't interested me since the SNES, but I give them props for knowing how to appeal to their fanbase.
 
2012-11-18 08:12:23 PM
I'm not sure how the Wii U will pan out.

On one hand, I don't care about it as a gamer. I like the asymmetrical gameplay that the controller affords: there are some really fun possibilities that could be had with this setup (like as a DM screen for a D&D-style RPG). The problem is that I doubt such a title would come from Nintendo themselves, and I just don't see the third parties lining up like they used to. The spate of cheap ports and lack of anything resembling a killer app are also disquieting.

On the other hand, this could be a big win for Nintendo. The average masses loved the Wii as a catch-all kid machine that also played Netflix...the integration of TV functions into the gamepad could be a huge winner for this market that has yet to widely adopt tablets, let alone sync them to their entertainment setups.

tl;dr- Gamers won't like it, but casuals just might have a winner on their hands.
 
2012-11-18 08:20:13 PM
Fake shortage. These will not be the next Wii.
 
2012-11-18 08:25:05 PM
It has a few features that could be interesting down the road, but honestly. I'm not getting the urge to run out and buy one yet. Too much up in the air, and we haven't seen it's rivals yet.

I'll give it a year or two to cook, and then we'll see what it brings.
 
2012-11-18 08:25:12 PM

Wii.Tard: OriginalGamer: Wii.Tard: styckx: I agree.. Nintendo has been dead since the N64.. Ever since then they went full Apple and EA sports.. The ut-most minimal hardware upgrades, then repackage the the same shiat in a new case w/ one over priced feature.

In other words, Apple.

Only Apple as seen by farkers. iPhone 5 benchmarks completely show that it's the fatest smartphone, hardly an "minimal hardware upgrade". But please, feel free to ignore reality.

Oh yeah well The Jerk Store called and they're running out of you!


What's the difference? You're their all-time best seller!
 
2012-11-18 08:38:57 PM

taxandspend: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Fake shortage. These will not be the next Wii.

Of course it's not the next Wii. There will never be another Wii just as there will never be another DS. Those two systems hit at the right time and right price to usher in a new gamers who more than likely have moved on to iOS gaming.


The 3DS is actually selling at a faster clip than the DS was at the equivalent point in its life cycle.
 
2012-11-18 08:41:52 PM
The WiiU is farking a farking ma farking zing. fark.


Fark fark fark fark fark fark fark fark fark.
 
2012-11-18 08:43:56 PM

Doc Daneeka: The 3DS is actually selling at a faster clip than the DS was at the equivalent point in its life cycle.


www.gamesetwatch.com

From Gamasutra's November recap of this year at retail: The only reason the 3DS sold more units in the first ten months of this year than last year is because the 3DS wasn't launched until late February.
 
2012-11-18 09:06:24 PM
I am surprised noone has mentioned ZombieU yet. Seems like it's gotten good reviews.

/Going to wait until there are more titles and it's more fully baked before deciding to buy.
 
2012-11-18 09:17:11 PM

Mike_LowELL: Fano: Don't worry, you'll get the Game Cube catalog with one additional board each and use of the tablet thingee mandatory and tacked on

If you're telling me that I'm getting a slight upgrade over Resident Evil 4, P.N. 03, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 4, and Metroid Prime, and other games like Viewtiful Joe, I'll take it.


You said Resident Evil 4 twice.

/I have to agree with you though.
//Man I can't believe I'm agree with Mike.
 
2012-11-18 09:33:11 PM
The woman working the electronics department at my Target said she sold the 20 she got in a hurry, but not lined up at the door hurry. And that was in a up scale neighborhood.

We'll see if there's really a demand for the systems in a few days. I missed out on the PS3 release by not having any money, but that would have been a blast to flip.
 
2012-11-18 09:33:13 PM

mongbiohazard: It's the lack of processing capability that proved its undoing with me. The Wii had lame specs on its hardware, so the graphics were lackluster. Graphics aren't everything - we definitely had a lot of fun playing tennis and bowling during parties - but they do matter. For my regular gaming the eye candy just wasn't enough to compete.


How sad for you. I enjoy all of my games, whether they are shiny new releases or my first C64 games. It must be awful to have your new games ruin the joy you had playing your older ones.
 
2012-11-18 09:39:54 PM

Mike_LowELL: Doc Daneeka: The 3DS is actually selling at a faster clip than the DS was at the equivalent point in its life cycle.

[www.gamesetwatch.com image 480x278]

From Gamasutra's November recap of this year at retail: The only reason the 3DS sold more units in the first ten months of this year than last year is because the 3DS wasn't launched until late February.


I wasn't comparing the 3DS this year to the 3DS last year, nor was I comparing the 3DS this year to the DS this year. You misunderstood.

I was comparing the lifetime sales of the 3DS at present to the lifetime sales of the DS at an equivalent number of months from launch.

It's just a fact that the 3DS is selling at a faster pace than the original DS, which was one of the best-selling gaming platforms of all time.
 
2012-11-18 09:56:09 PM
I really enjoyed a handful of titles for Wii. I'll get a Wii U on the first price drop just for NSMB-U. I just wish they could bust out some quality third party titles that rival the Nintendo titles.
 
2012-11-18 10:25:53 PM

quiotu: I don't have a problem with Nintendo's success, but every console manufacturer needs a low point every now and then to keep them straight. Nintendo had the GameCube, Sony had the PS3, and I got a feeling Microsoft might do really bad this next gen if they make the XBox 720 a Windows 8 console.


I think that getting more ties between the console business & the Surface/PC business is probably more sensible for Microsoft.

There's reasons why I liked Mass Effect better on the 360 & Skyrim better in Windows 7, and if you can get the good parts of those experiences closer together, I think I'd be a happier customer.

If the end effect is only to get the bad parts closer together (i.e. Mass Effect on Windows for the copy protection, Skyrim on 360 for lack of user mods), then I'll be pissed.

In any case, Microsoft trying to tie Windows 8 together across various platforms (mobile, Surface, console, PC)... it's pretty much inevitable, I think.

In any case, good luck to Nintendo. I also loved my Sega Dreamcast in its time.
 
2012-11-18 10:28:38 PM
Nintendo's produced more Wii Us at launch than Wiis. Coupled with a higher price for the deluxe model and it's going to be hard to top the Wii's level of demand. But I still have little doubt they'll be sold out by Christmas. A new generation of console hardware is long overdue.
 
2012-11-18 10:28:48 PM
I played with my Dreamcast yesterday, then my PS, didn't make it to the Wi games.

I'm still happy with my collection and cannot find a single system or new game that appears to me. I just don't understand why people must believe that they must have the latest and greatest, regardless if it's empty.

So far, I've yet to even see what the new WiiU games are about, or what they'll bring to gameplay.

Since I've been cheated out of the last Fatal Frame game, I really don't give a crap about Nintendo all that much.
 
2012-11-18 10:44:45 PM
I'm going to wait a year or two until the price comes down considerably and there are more games. it's not much different than the wii.

The controller is the only appealing thing about it and I already have a tablet.
 
2012-11-18 10:48:37 PM

Gordon Bennett: mongbiohazard: It's the lack of processing capability that proved its undoing with me. The Wii had lame specs on its hardware, so the graphics were lackluster. Graphics aren't everything - we definitely had a lot of fun playing tennis and bowling during parties - but they do matter. For my regular gaming the eye candy just wasn't enough to compete.

How sad for you. I enjoy all of my games, whether they are shiny new releases or my first C64 games. It must be awful to have your new games ruin the joy you had playing your older ones.


What's sad is that you were so eager to trumpet your superior stance that you missed his point entirely. There is clearly no point in having a console with yesteryear's hardware unless you're trying to repackage the same old crap. I see no real reason why Nintendo has bothered to continue making more consoles after the GameCube; the Wii could've been a forgettable peripheral, and the Wii U doesn't do much more than the GB Advance link cable did. Every Nintendo game released for the Wii can be replicated on GC hardware.

You could argue that processing power makes more things possible with the new consoles - but I wonder if the irony would even register.
 
2012-11-18 11:08:35 PM

Mike_LowELL: Looking at it on eBay, most of them are going for slightly over market value. And when I say that, I mean "what they appear to be selling for", not "what people are asking for it". Not really the kind of margin worth taking a chance on 300-dollar hardware.


That's good to hear, actually. Seriously considering a pre-order, but didn't pull the trigger for this EXACT reason (risk VS reward). I was going to dislocate my own leg so I could absolutely kick my own ass if this turned quadruple digit AGAIN.
 
2012-11-18 11:16:24 PM

moothemagiccow: burndtdan: I don't get WiiU. How is it different than a Wii, except for the DS controller (which I don't particularly see the appeal for)?

I'm not being snarky, I am really interested to find out what is new about it. Is it supposed to actually be powerful enough to handle more hardcore games? Or is it just that you can run it with a controller with a mini screen?

It does HD and supports an Xbox-like wireless controller. Most of the launch games are ports, like Assassins Creed, Arkham, and Black Ops.

They're also pushing remote-control functionality for your tv, with channel guides and such. At the very least, the touchscreen will make it easier to type shiat in. Can't count the number of times PS3 wants me to enter my netflix email and password.


You do realize that a PS3 can use any USB keyboard/many bluetooth keyboards right? They also made a pretty sweet mini keyboard that fastened on a PS3 controller.
 
2012-11-18 11:22:30 PM
got a deluxe today... my impressions:

-hardware is well built, pro controller feels great as does the gamepad, console itself is quiet, also white definitely looks better than black, the touchscreen is okay - i have to admit i'm spoiled by my ipad 4's retina display
-OS is slow as hell, there's updates to every game on launch which is ridiculous as well, Wii mode takes so long to load up and looks washed out for some reason compared to my Wii hooked up with component cables... would rather just keep my Wii for Wii stuff (especially since it has gamecube B/C)
-the OS music is good by itself but after awhile as a menu OS feels... unexciting? Brian Eno-esque ambiance is great for a little while but this system needs some energy
-NintendoLand is trash, can't believe they're even selling it and can't believe reviewers like it either
-Mario Bros. U is really fun despite NIntendo not supporting their own pro controller or really using the touchscreen creatively (lots of fun to make platforms either way tho, helping or griefing), also the graphics are very sharp and colorful and exactly what you'd expect out of an HD 2d mario
-ZombiU is a lot of fun, we spent most of our time playing this game, lots of really great concepts that i'd kill to have in other games, also the first survival horror in years that has guns and still feels like actual survival horror, also the local multiplayer is a lot of fun the better everybody gets at the game tho it can become very one-sided if whoever plays the survivor isn't good

either way, a fun console even if it didn't blow me away, i expect nintendo to fix the OS and hopefully they add support for the pro controller in future 1st party games
 
2012-11-18 11:35:42 PM

taxandspend: You're right, the Wii could have been a forgettable peripheral, instead it became the best selling console of this generation and changed the way we played games, plus all the franchises that were released on the Wii sold better, sometimes significantly better, than the Gamecube entries.


Oh look, the "better sales = better console" debate again. Tell me again how Avatar is the greatest movie ever made.

The fact you think Wii U nearly equals Gamecube + GB Advance shows how little you know about the Wii U or how much you're trolling.

Pedantry: when you don't have an argument but want to be right anyway.
 
2012-11-18 11:54:03 PM

thatboyoverthere: Mike_LowELL: Fano: Don't worry, you'll get the Game Cube catalog with one additional board each and use of the tablet thingee mandatory and tacked on

If you're telling me that I'm getting a slight upgrade over Resident Evil 4, P.N. 03, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 4, and Metroid Prime, and other games like Viewtiful Joe, I'll take it.

You said Resident Evil 4 twice.

/I have to agree with you though.
//Man I can't believe I'm agree with Mike.


Maybe you can use the tablet to manage inventory, or else it can be a source of QTEs where you have to draw a picture before you get chainsawed

/still bitter about Wii Punchout Balance board
//at least you didn't HAVE to use it
 
2012-11-19 12:10:41 AM
What kinda degree do I get if I play it for four years?
 
2012-11-19 12:25:57 AM

Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.


I am ashamed, but I am that guy. I bought a Wii, played Twilight Princess, and tried a few other games and let the Wii fall by the wayside. I kinda wish I'd never bought it. I've been really busy/apathetic and never bothered with Skyward Sword. Dunno if I will ever get a Wii U. My son just turned 3, so maybe I will get one in a year or two.
 
2012-11-19 12:30:54 AM

kliq: What kinda degree do I get if I play it for four years?


3rd degree couch rash.
 
2012-11-19 12:49:31 AM

miniflea: Mike_LowELL: Looking at it on eBay, most of them are going for slightly over market value. And when I say that, I mean "what they appear to be selling for", not "what people are asking for it". Not really the kind of margin worth taking a chance on 300-dollar hardware.

Especially when you consider the fact that ebay takes ten percent of the final sale value, plus listing fees, plus paypal fees.


Simply wait until closer to Christmas time....
 
2012-11-19 12:49:36 AM

taxandspend: First of all I didn't say that the Wii was better than the Gamecube, I said it sold better. You asked why Nintendo would bother making another console after the Gamecube and I replied that the Wii sold (400%) better than the Gamecube.


I asked in the context of it adding anything to gameplay, which clearly went sailing over your head. It's fine if you want to argue that Nintendo excels at packaging crap, or that they have some insight into what "pure" gamers want, but you can't have it both ways. Certainly, I'm not about to argue both sides to two different people, so I'll just agree with you that Nintendo are soulless marketing geniuses.

As for the second one, here is a list of things/features the Wii U Gamepad does that the GBA connection doesn't:
Touch screen gaming
Off-TV Play
Front Facing camera for video chat
NFC reader
Can be used as a remote control
Gyroscope, Accelerometer, Magnetometer
Motion control gaming.
Wireless gaming

So you're right, the GC-GBA connection does nearly as much as the Wii U.


The GBA does most of those things - either by itself, through peripherals or connected to the GC. Moreover, you can lump some of those together. Splitting hairs doesn't help your point.
 
2012-11-19 01:58:59 AM

taxandspend: The GBA cannot blah blah

The GBA does most of those things - either by itself, through peripherals or connected to the GC.


Your reading comprehension is just absolute shiat. You're probably not even getting three words into my posts before you start frothing at the mouth at the idea that someone would dare to disagree with you. I don't know what the fark possessed you to chime in in the first place, other than Nintenyearold fanboy rage.

I prefer to dive into the future.

How ironic. Well, if the future is filled with regressive game concepts to appeal to non-gamers, then I'm running for the time machine. You go ahead and enjoy your 3D-modeled 2D games.

Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech. As I originally suggested, I have to wonder why Nintendo even bothers to make new consoles if they really are the bastion of pure gaming enjoyment that apologists would have me believe. Unless you can theorize why, I'm not really interested in anything else you have to say.
 
2012-11-19 02:02:18 AM
Is it selling for 599 US Dollars?
 
2012-11-19 02:15:31 AM

moothemagiccow: lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.


What drugs are you on dude? Twilight Princess was originally a Gamecube game that was poorly ported over to the Wii, so you're right in some regards there, but hating on Skyward Sword? Seriously? I haven't met a person I know that didn't love it. I thought the motion control was spot on. The dungeons were unique and interesting. The puzzle solving finally evolved past lighting torches or moving blocks around. The ability to upgrade your weapons multiple times was a pleasant add-on as well. SS was much more combat-oriented than just about any other LoZ game too. There are a million other things I can go on about how SS was nearly perfect in every regard and how it was everything I wanted in a Zelda game and got it(with the exception of the mediocre graphics, but that's really more of a problem with the Wii than the game).
 
2012-11-19 03:45:45 AM
The potential of a handheld gaming device as a peripheral to the main device suggests new kinds of gameplay can happen.

I'll be getting one.
 
2012-11-19 05:30:42 AM

Jedekai: We live in a world Sega created, Sony funded and Microsoft made integrated.

Nintendo decided to join the party a decade late.


Except for the Sega part. Basically.
 
2012-11-19 07:56:43 AM

I Like Bread: taxandspend: The GBA cannot blah blah

The GBA does most of those things - either by itself, through peripherals or connected to the GC.

Your reading comprehension is just absolute shiat. You're probably not even getting three words into my posts before you start frothing at the mouth at the idea that someone would dare to disagree with you. I don't know what the fark possessed you to chime in in the first place, other than Nintenyearold fanboy rage.

I prefer to dive into the future.

How ironic. Well, if the future is filled with regressive game concepts to appeal to non-gamers, then I'm running for the time machine. You go ahead and enjoy your 3D-modeled 2D games.

Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech. As I originally suggested, I have to wonder why Nintendo even bothers to make new consoles if they really are the bastion of pure gaming enjoyment that apologists would have me believe. Unless you can theorize why, I'm not really interested in anything else you have to say.


this post doesn't really make any sense at all, NES had the D-pad, SNES had the shoulder buttons & 4 face buttons, N64 had the analog stick, Gamecube ironically was the one that didn't have anything new and Wii had the wiimote & motion/pointer controls

all of the above used their new control input schemes pretty much as well as they could within their respective generations, either at first or eventually

you look at Nintendo's strategy over the years, it's: A) start with a console that's massively different from its predecessor in how you play the games (NES, N64, Wii), B) refine that with the next console with extra inputs and more graphics and etc. (SNES, Gamecube, and now Wii U)

it's been successful for them so far, taking the first console and making something different with it boosts their sales and userbase while the 2nd console capitalizes on what the first did... i mean we're talking about a company that only makes video games, so to be on their 6th main console is a pretty huge feat, Sony is barely staying alive in the console business and they're on their 3rd, Microsoft just started making a profit on their 2nd console a few years ago

so yeah, it makes perfect sense why they'd make more hardware, even if it doesn't appeal to everybody
 
2012-11-19 08:17:45 AM

AdamK: you look at Nintendo's strategy over the years, it's: A) start with a console that's massively different from its predecessor in how you play the games (NES, N64, Wii), B) refine that with the next console with extra inputs and more graphics and etc. (SNES, Gamecube, and now Wii U)


I'm going to argue that issuing a handheld game device as the controller is not a refinement, but a massive change from its predecessor.

In game theory, the largest splits of how to define games comes upon information management - can you see what your opponent is doing, or not? Then you have complete/incomplete and perfect/imperfect information groups.

Now we have a living room device that allows you to conceal information as if you were playing over a network or internet, but ALSO a main screen to demonstrate everything that is not concealed to you and your opponent (or partner).

This is a pretty massive change.
 
2012-11-19 08:19:18 AM
Couldn't you use the GBA as a controller on the gamecube and use it to display info for certain games?
 
2012-11-19 08:23:25 AM
Artificial demand created by a low release stock.
 
2012-11-19 08:30:54 AM
I don't care if people like it or hate it; I just don't want to listen to people who don't like it crying about why others shouldn't like it for the next five years, like we had with the Wii. Hell, people are still doing that in this thread.

Shut up already.
 
2012-11-19 08:40:50 AM
Nintendo consoles have Nintendo games on them. I'll eventually purchase it.

For everything else, I have a PC.
 
2012-11-19 09:08:18 AM
I'll probably get one when Dragon Quest X comes out here. So, probably 2+ years from now at the rate they localize DQ games.
 
2012-11-19 09:34:51 AM
I like how every time Nintendo comes out with something new, people who never had any plans of buying it come out of the woodwork to yell and scream about how it's all crap and this time Nintendo is going out of business for good, and all Nintendo does is keep walking all the way to the bank.
 
2012-11-19 10:20:13 AM

Hand Banana: Couldn't you use the GBA as a controller on the gamecube and use it to display info for certain games?


Yep. Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles required each player to have their own GBA connected if you had more than one player. I think it was also used in Zelda: Four Swords.

Even though the Wii could connect to the DS, I don't remember the feature being used much at all. The only example I can think of is transferring Pokemon from the DS games to the Pokemon Ranch WiiWare game.
 
2012-11-19 10:23:05 AM

taxandspend: Sony is in even worse shape when it comes to the Vita, which was outsold by the 3DS in Japan last week at a rate of 47:1 and not a single game for the system appeared in the top 50. Doesn't help that two of it's big holiday releases (Black Ops Declassified and Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation) aren't exactly critical favorites.


I really want a Vita for a few games (mobile Persona and the DJ Max titles), but can't justify the price of entry. The console itself is expensive (but maybe not unreasonably so considering its power), but then you also have to deal with Sony's proprietary memory cards (which are always overpriced). I think Sony tried to shove too many features into the Vita and priced themselves out of competition.
 
2012-11-19 10:41:24 AM

FoxKelfonne: I like how every time Nintendo comes out with something new, people who never had any plans of buying it come out of the woodwork to yell and scream about how it's all crap and this time Nintendo is going out of business for good, and all Nintendo does is keep walking all the way to the bank.


Because those people would really like to play the new zelda/metroid/mario, but have no intention of of buying Nintendo's substandard system. Now, I'm using substandard subjectively here, other people may not agree with the designation, and that's fine. Ultimately, the complainers want Nintendo to just make software, so they can play the small handful of games they want without paying out the ass for them, or having to deal with gimmicky junk shoehorned in.
 
2012-11-19 01:49:15 PM

starsrift: The potential of a handheld gaming device as a peripheral to the main device suggests new kinds of gameplay can happen.


If the predecessor was any indication, you'll end up with maybe 7 games that take proper advantage. Maybe.
/buys Nintendo systems for Nintendo games
 
2012-11-19 02:09:44 PM

AdamK: this post doesn't really make any sense at all, NES had the D-pad, SNES had the shoulder buttons & 4 face buttons, N64 had the analog stick, Gamecube ironically was the one that didn't have anything new and Wii had the wiimote & motion/pointer controls


Your argument is based on what the controllers have on them? Have you even been paying attention to the thread? Get the fark out.
 
2012-11-19 03:08:52 PM

I Like Bread: AdamK: this post doesn't really make any sense at all, NES had the D-pad, SNES had the shoulder buttons & 4 face buttons, N64 had the analog stick, Gamecube ironically was the one that didn't have anything new and Wii had the wiimote & motion/pointer controls

Your argument is based on what the controllers have on them? Have you even been paying attention to the thread? Get the fark out.


no, that is not my argument, that is my first sentence which was simply an observation

my angle was a response to "As I originally suggested, I have to wonder why Nintendo even bothers to make new consoles..."

they make new consoles to A) facilitate new gameplay (re: my first observation about input schemes) and thus attract new consumers, then B) new consoles that capitalize on the market they attracted with the previous generation

my conclusion was simply: they make new hardware (and will probably keep doing so) because they have a profitable strategy

Sony did not have a profitable strategy, they had a market dominating strategy that backfired pretty badly and would be a disaster if the entire industry adopted it

i'm still wrapping my head around this sentence tho: "Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech."

so fans defend a console with "graphics > gameplay" and apparently nintendo feels the same? either way that's the first time i've ever heard that argument leveled at Nintendo or their fans, maybe if the Wii U was literally just a "Wii 2" - same console but no touchscreen device and wiimotes as primary controller, that would be pretty horrible
 
2012-11-19 03:16:22 PM

taxandspend: Hand Banana: Couldn't you use the GBA as a controller on the gamecube and use it to display info for certain games?

Yeah, the four biggest being Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Legend of Zelda Wind Waker, Animal Crossing and Four Swords Adventures. You can do the same on the WIi with Pokemon Battle Revolution and the DS. Microsoft is doing something similar with SmartGlass, but none of those can do everything the WiiU Gamepad can, even with a peripheral.

AdamK: Sony is barely staying alive in the console business and they're on their 3rd

Sony is in even worse shape when it comes to the Vita, which was outsold by the 3DS in Japan last week at a rate of 47:1 and not a single game for the system appeared in the top 50. Doesn't help that two of it's big holiday releases (Black Ops Declassified and Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation) aren't exactly critical favorites.


the Vita is a good handheld (better than the 3DS) but there's no market for it, Nintendo has a stable of 1st and 3rd party franchises as well as competitive pricing that can sell a 3DS, the Vita has barely any pedigree with regards to PSP games jumping forward and Sony is selling it at a loss and can't be competitive with their pricing... all of this is bad news when you consider dedicated gaming devices are simply losing their value, a smartphone is something you would carry around all the time, an ipod at least plays your music, an ipad/tablet at least has great internet capabilities and can be used as an e-reader... neither the Vita nor the 3DS can compete against any of that, so they have to be fantastic on the game front and as i said - price and consumer mindshare matters

i should know, i sold my vita because my ipad dominated my time - there was simply no reason to ever pick one up (not to mention, AC:L was boring...)
 
2012-11-19 03:25:58 PM

AdamK: i'm still wrapping my head around this sentence tho: "Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech."

so fans defend a console with "graphics > gameplay" and apparently nintendo feels the same? either way that's the first time i've ever heard that argument leveled at Nintendo or their fans, maybe if the Wii U was literally just a "Wii 2" - same console but no touchscreen device and wiimotes as primary controller, that would be pretty horrible


That was a typo... even though I retyped it twice. What I should've said is that Nintendo fans defend the console by labeling the opposition with the superficial label of "graphics > gameplay". Regardless, I can't imagine a single Wii game that justifies new hardware - or a new controller, really, beyond waggle controls replacing what the analog stick used to do.
 
2012-11-19 03:35:52 PM

kab: I thought the 99% were cash strapped? Or was that just last year?


It's cool we bet all our money on black and now the President is going to ring in economic good times with high taxes and fewer government services.
 
2012-11-19 03:37:30 PM

wholedamnshow: moothemagiccow: lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.

What drugs are you on dude? Twilight Princess was originally a Gamecube game that was poorly ported over to the Wii, so you're right in some regards there, but hating on Skyward Sword? Seriously? I haven't met a person I know that didn't love it. I thought the motion control was spot on. The dungeons were unique and interesting. The puzzle solving finally evolved past lighting torches or moving blocks around. The ability to upgrade your weapons multiple times was a pleasant add-on as well. SS was much more combat-oriented than just about any other LoZ game too. There are a million other things I can go on about how SS was nearly perfect in every regard and how it was everything I wanted in a Zelda game and got it(with the exception of the mediocre graphics, but that's really more of a problem with the Wii than the game).


I loved Skyward Sword, but there were some things that seriously weakened the game.

Fi: Oh dear god, just shut the f*ck up. Her job seemed to consist of repeating the most obvious facts and being f*cking annoying.

"Your heart containers are low. I will now continuously beep loudly to remind you of this".

"There is an 85% chance that there is a key to this giant lock in this dungeon."

Even worse, during boss battles, instead of giving you clues to weak spots (like Navi did), Fi just shrugs and says "I dunno".

The flying: Take the monotonous sailing from Wind Waker and add in annoying controls. Sounds like fun, huh?

the stamina meter: No. Just no.

having to forage junk to make better shields : You mean, instead of just buying a better shield that doesn't break after 3 hits, I have to go hunt for 12 doodads, 5 knickknacks, and 7 widgets to make one? And those 12 doodads each have a 1/64 chance of appearing? Whoever thought this up should be launched into the sun.
 
2012-11-19 03:45:24 PM

NeoCortex42: taxandspend: Sony is in even worse shape when it comes to the Vita, which was outsold by the 3DS in Japan last week at a rate of 47:1 and not a single game for the system appeared in the top 50. Doesn't help that two of it's big holiday releases (Black Ops Declassified and Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation) aren't exactly critical favorites.

I really want a Vita for a few games (mobile Persona and the DJ Max titles), but can't justify the price of entry. The console itself is expensive (but maybe not unreasonably so considering its power), but then you also have to deal with Sony's proprietary memory cards (which are always overpriced). I think Sony tried to shove too many features into the Vita and priced themselves out of competition.


The Vita is now on sale in $200 bundles with AC III Liberation or BLOPS:Declassified and a 4GB memory card. There also will be 250 GB PS3 bundled with Uncharted 1 & 2 and inFamous 1 & 2 for $200.

More info can be found here: Link
 
2012-11-19 03:53:54 PM

I Like Bread: AdamK: i'm still wrapping my head around this sentence tho: "Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech."

so fans defend a console with "graphics > gameplay" and apparently nintendo feels the same? either way that's the first time i've ever heard that argument leveled at Nintendo or their fans, maybe if the Wii U was literally just a "Wii 2" - same console but no touchscreen device and wiimotes as primary controller, that would be pretty horrible

That was a typo... even though I retyped it twice. What I should've said is that Nintendo fans defend the console by labeling the opposition with the superficial label of "graphics > gameplay". Regardless, I can't imagine a single Wii game that justifies new hardware - or a new controller, really, beyond waggle controls replacing what the analog stick used to do.


sure, for the most part the Wii was released "gimped" because of the lack of fidelity in the wiimote's motion sensing technology, if you compared the Wii to the DS's touchscreen implementation you could easily see how "undercooking" a new input could be detrimental to a device's appeal over the long haul... they tried to rectify that with motion+ but by then everybody had moved on (including Nintendo it seems)

at the very least, the Wii was kind of the odd-one-out, as all other Nintendo devices (even the Wii U) don't really brute-force an input scheme on everybody

i'd say the "graphics > gameplay crowd" both has a point and also doesn't see the bigger picture - that is, Nintendo does focus on gameplay first and graphics second but all the same a lot of their gametypes are samey and they milk their franchises dry for the same reasons 3rd parties are milking their 360/PS3 franchises dry of creativity - financial stress, everybody wants to have a steady flow of money and not have their company whimmed into bankruptcy by one or two gambles

but that's a gaming industry problem and unfair of nintendo fans to throw at anybody else
 
2012-11-19 04:02:59 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: NeoCortex42: taxandspend: Sony is in even worse shape when it comes to the Vita, which was outsold by the 3DS in Japan last week at a rate of 47:1 and not a single game for the system appeared in the top 50. Doesn't help that two of it's big holiday releases (Black Ops Declassified and Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation) aren't exactly critical favorites.

I really want a Vita for a few games (mobile Persona and the DJ Max titles), but can't justify the price of entry. The console itself is expensive (but maybe not unreasonably so considering its power), but then you also have to deal with Sony's proprietary memory cards (which are always overpriced). I think Sony tried to shove too many features into the Vita and priced themselves out of competition.

The Vita is now on sale in $200 bundles with AC III Liberation or BLOPS:Declassified and a 4GB memory card. There also will be 250 GB PS3 bundled with Uncharted 1 & 2 and inFamous 1 & 2 for $200.

More info can be found here: Link


That's not a bad deal, actually. I'd probably be willing to buy it at that price if I had any income at the moment. Although the top of my Christmas list is a Nexus 7. Can't go wrong with emulators and a full ROM library.
 
2012-11-19 07:12:47 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: wholedamnshow: moothemagiccow: lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.

What drugs are you on dude? Twilight Princess was originally a Gamecube game that was poorly ported over to the Wii, so you're right in some regards there, but hating on Skyward Sword? Seriously? I haven't met a person I know that didn't love it. I thought the motion control was spot on. The dungeons were unique and interesting. The puzzle solving finally evolved past lighting torches or moving blocks around. The ability to upgrade your weapons multiple times was a pleasant add-on as well. SS was much more combat-oriented than just about any other LoZ game too. There are a million other things I can go on about how SS was nearly perfect in every regard and how it was everything I wanted in a Zelda game and got it(with the exception of the mediocre graphics, but that's really more of a problem with the Wii than the game).

I loved Skyward Sword, but there were some things that seriously weakened the game.

Fi: Oh dear god, just shut the f*ck up. Her job seemed to consist of repeating the most obvious facts and being f*cking annoying.

"Your heart containers are low. I will now continuously beep loudly to remind you of this".

"There is an 85% chance that there is a key to this giant lock in this dungeon."

Even worse, during boss battles, instead of giving you clues to weak spots (like Navi did), Fi just shrugs and says "I dunno".

The flying: Take the monotonous sailing from Wind Waker and add ...




1. On Fi, agreed. Annoying as hell.

2. Also agreed, but I really don't think this took away from the game. Hearts were plentiful as soon as you go chopping down some grass.

3. Agreed as well.

4. I actually liked this element. You actually to be in combat with the bosses for a short while before Fi could figure anything out versus Navi who would point out the obvious boss weaknesses. I think this actually made the game more challenging.

5. Flying was meh, but nowhere near as crucial to the game as sailing was to WW. In WW you had to sail to get ANYWHERE. Obviously SS had the main hub area and you just flew for a minute or two to get to the part of the world you wanted to go to.
 
2012-11-19 08:24:03 PM
The only thing fun about console launches now that scalpers ruined it is that Ebay lets you create accounts and buy stuff immediately without any hassle. I have so many bogus accounts to piss people like this off.
 
2012-11-19 09:41:20 PM
So I have one of these things.

I haven't opened it yet. I'm debating... Should I keep it, or sell it?

I could currently profit by about $70 if I sold it. That's not much. Sure, I'd get my original $300 back, but I'm not hurting for cash right now (lots of business during the holidays) and it might be nice to play with yet another new gadget. And who knows? Some of the third party titles might be better on the Wii U than on the PS3.

But damn... I don't know. If the demand remains high, and Nintendo doesn't get them to stores, then the potential profit from not opening it and selling it could get pretty high. I don't normally approve of profiteering, but in this case I didn't get it specifically for that purpose. It was there, I had $300, and I grabbed it because I knew it would be a hard-to-find item. I had no idea what I'd DO with it, though. Not really.

And I do happen to know a certain kid who might enjoy having it around.

I'm just wary of Nintendo. I have watched them pound their good name into the dirt, and I really don't know if some Mario, Zelda, and Metroid exclusives are going to be worth this much to me.

Hrm. On the other hand, I never got the Wii, and this would let me play all the good Wii games (what are there, like a dozen?) while I wait for good 1st-party and 3rd-party titles to show up.

What to do... What to do..?

Hrm.
 
2012-11-19 09:45:18 PM

ZeroCorpse: What to do... What to do..?

Hrm.


Wait until December 23rd to decide. You could either make a nephew very happy, or rake in a tidy sum.
 
2012-11-19 11:27:47 PM

ZeroCorpse: So I have one of these things.

I haven't opened it yet. I'm debating... Should I keep it, or sell it?

I could currently profit by about $70 if I sold it. That's not much. Sure, I'd get my original $300 back, but I'm not hurting for cash right now (lots of business during the holidays) and it might be nice to play with yet another new gadget. And who knows? Some of the third party titles might be better on the Wii U than on the PS3.

But damn... I don't know. If the demand remains high, and Nintendo doesn't get them to stores, then the potential profit from not opening it and selling it could get pretty high. I don't normally approve of profiteering, but in this case I didn't get it specifically for that purpose. It was there, I had $300, and I grabbed it because I knew it would be a hard-to-find item. I had no idea what I'd DO with it, though. Not really.

And I do happen to know a certain kid who might enjoy having it around.

I'm just wary of Nintendo. I have watched them pound their good name into the dirt, and I really don't know if some Mario, Zelda, and Metroid exclusives are going to be worth this much to me.

Hrm. On the other hand, I never got the Wii, and this would let me play all the good Wii games (what are there, like a dozen?) while I wait for good 1st-party and 3rd-party titles to show up.

What to do... What to do..?

Hrm.


If you're rolling in the cash like you say, then money isn't the point here. Give the kid the Wii U. After he unboxes it for Christmas, you two can play it together, and that can help you decide if you want to get one for yourself. Otherwise, go for that $200 PS3 bundle I mentioned upthread.
 
2012-11-19 11:50:55 PM

wholedamnshow: moothemagiccow: lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.

What drugs are you on dude? Twilight Princess was originally a Gamecube game that was poorly ported over to the Wii, so you're right in some regards there, but hating on Skyward Sword? Seriously? I haven't met a person I know that didn't love it. I thought the motion control was spot on. The dungeons were unique and interesting. The puzzle solving finally evolved past lighting torches or moving blocks around. The ability to upgrade your weapons multiple times was a pleasant add-on as well. SS was much more combat-oriented than just about any other LoZ game too. There are a million other things I can go on about how SS was nearly perfect in every regard and how it was everything I wanted in a Zelda game and got it(with the exception of the mediocre graphics, but that's really more of a problem with the Wii than the game).


If you don't get that perfect horizontal/vertical/diagonal swing thing in the start of the game, you're pretty much farked for the whole game. It was easier in TP (or force unleashed) without the motion plus, and kind of silly that while you were only supposed to swing in cardinal directions, you could move the remote in any direction. The motion plus was a pointless addition.

And yeah, the environments were repetitive. Usually they chalk this up to time travel, but this time it was just laziness. The silent realm and "find your stolen accessories" bits were particularly egregious. I fought the imprisoned 3 times. Why? Oh it kept getting out.

I went through and upgraded all my weapons, even got the last shield from the dragon. It was a decent game, but it was shiat for zelda.
 
2012-11-19 11:56:52 PM

ZeroCorpse: Hrm. On the other hand, I never got the Wii, and this would let me play all the good Wii games (what are there, like a dozen?) while I wait for good 1st-party and 3rd-party titles to show up.


How many games are needed for a console to be worth it? I've got about 30 wii games. Not all of them are mind-bending successes, but do you really need more than a dozen games? I've got 9 PS3 games and two of them are sequels.
 
2012-11-21 12:13:48 AM
I'm hoping the Wii U is a success but I guess time will tell. I think they know the casual gamer & old folks crowd aren't going to be hopping on for this one.

In my opinion this is a stronger launch line up then what the the 360 and PS3 had when it came out. Best Xbox exclusive launch game was Kameo (which I really did love), Perfect Dark (ewww) and a punch of ports (Call of Duty 2, Quake 4, etc.) PS3 had pretty much nothing I'm sure. I think that was probably the worst launch in recent memory.

For the WiiU you have Mario, Nintendo Land, Rayman (which the last one was excellent), ZombieU (okay reviews, but looks interesting) and then *upgraded* (I don't know if they are better, etc.) versions of Ass Creed, Black Ops, Mass Effect, Batman, etc.

People saying that the WiiU will be outpowered by the systems coming in 1 or 2 years shoudn't be surprised. Obviously stuff coming out in 2 years that will cost 300 - 500 dollars will be more powerful. The Wii was priced cheaply at 250 vs the PS3 at like 700 or 750 when it came out.

I will pick one up eventually, but will have to wait to make it worth it.

Also people saying Zelda only sells because it is Zelda. That is true to a point. I love the Zelda series and have them all (including the *awesome* CD-i collection) but the name helps a whole lot. Look at Okami. It is the best Zelda style game I've ever played and it has an extremely small amount of fans compared to the big name games. Its on like its 4th re-release now trying to still drum up attention.
 
2012-11-21 07:59:41 PM

moothemagiccow: wholedamnshow: moothemagiccow: lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.

What drugs are you on dude? Twilight Princess was originally a Gamecube game that was poorly ported over to the Wii, so you're right in some regards there, but hating on Skyward Sword? Seriously? I haven't met a person I know that didn't love it. I thought the motion control was spot on. The dungeons were unique and interesting. The puzzle solving finally evolved past lighting torches or moving blocks around. The ability to upgrade your weapons multiple times was a pleasant add-on as well. SS was much more combat-oriented than just about any other LoZ game too. There are a million other things I can go on about how SS was nearly perfect in every regard and how it was everything I wanted in a Zelda game and got it(with the exception of the mediocre graphics, but that's really more of a problem with the Wii than the game).

If you don't get that perfect horizontal/vertical/diagonal swing thing in the start of the game, you're pretty much farked for the whole game. It was easier in TP (or force unleashed) without the motion plus, and kind of silly that while you were only supposed to swing in cardinal directions, you could move the remote in any direction. The motion plus was a pointless addition.

And yeah, the environments were repetitive. Usually they chalk this up to time travel, but this time it was just laziness. The silent realm and "find your stolen accessories" bits were particularly egre ...


I've been going through TP again recently and I feel retarded trying to do anything with any weapon. To me, SS controls and combat are better in every single aspect. I felt the motion plus added quite a bit to the game.
So ya, you fought the imprisoned 3 times and had 3 sacred realms. I can only recall having weapons stolen once in SS, but I could be incorrect. Although a bit irritating, those were hardly time-consuming tasks.
The bread and butter of the Zelda games was as good as ever, Dungeons, world exploration, and side quests I thought were all top notch.
You can think what you want obviously, but the general consensus is that you're mostly alone in your opinion of SS.
 
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