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(Forbes)   Nintendo Wii U consoles sold out, already selling for over $500 on Ebay   (forbes.com) divider line 154
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2012-11-18 09:33:11 PM  
The woman working the electronics department at my Target said she sold the 20 she got in a hurry, but not lined up at the door hurry. And that was in a up scale neighborhood.

We'll see if there's really a demand for the systems in a few days. I missed out on the PS3 release by not having any money, but that would have been a blast to flip.
 
2012-11-18 09:33:13 PM  

mongbiohazard: It's the lack of processing capability that proved its undoing with me. The Wii had lame specs on its hardware, so the graphics were lackluster. Graphics aren't everything - we definitely had a lot of fun playing tennis and bowling during parties - but they do matter. For my regular gaming the eye candy just wasn't enough to compete.


How sad for you. I enjoy all of my games, whether they are shiny new releases or my first C64 games. It must be awful to have your new games ruin the joy you had playing your older ones.
 
2012-11-18 09:39:54 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Doc Daneeka: The 3DS is actually selling at a faster clip than the DS was at the equivalent point in its life cycle.

[www.gamesetwatch.com image 480x278]

From Gamasutra's November recap of this year at retail: The only reason the 3DS sold more units in the first ten months of this year than last year is because the 3DS wasn't launched until late February.


I wasn't comparing the 3DS this year to the 3DS last year, nor was I comparing the 3DS this year to the DS this year. You misunderstood.

I was comparing the lifetime sales of the 3DS at present to the lifetime sales of the DS at an equivalent number of months from launch.

It's just a fact that the 3DS is selling at a faster pace than the original DS, which was one of the best-selling gaming platforms of all time.
 
2012-11-18 09:56:09 PM  
I really enjoyed a handful of titles for Wii. I'll get a Wii U on the first price drop just for NSMB-U. I just wish they could bust out some quality third party titles that rival the Nintendo titles.
 
2012-11-18 10:25:53 PM  

quiotu: I don't have a problem with Nintendo's success, but every console manufacturer needs a low point every now and then to keep them straight. Nintendo had the GameCube, Sony had the PS3, and I got a feeling Microsoft might do really bad this next gen if they make the XBox 720 a Windows 8 console.


I think that getting more ties between the console business & the Surface/PC business is probably more sensible for Microsoft.

There's reasons why I liked Mass Effect better on the 360 & Skyrim better in Windows 7, and if you can get the good parts of those experiences closer together, I think I'd be a happier customer.

If the end effect is only to get the bad parts closer together (i.e. Mass Effect on Windows for the copy protection, Skyrim on 360 for lack of user mods), then I'll be pissed.

In any case, Microsoft trying to tie Windows 8 together across various platforms (mobile, Surface, console, PC)... it's pretty much inevitable, I think.

In any case, good luck to Nintendo. I also loved my Sega Dreamcast in its time.
 
2012-11-18 10:28:38 PM  
Nintendo's produced more Wii Us at launch than Wiis. Coupled with a higher price for the deluxe model and it's going to be hard to top the Wii's level of demand. But I still have little doubt they'll be sold out by Christmas. A new generation of console hardware is long overdue.
 
2012-11-18 10:28:48 PM  
I played with my Dreamcast yesterday, then my PS, didn't make it to the Wi games.

I'm still happy with my collection and cannot find a single system or new game that appears to me. I just don't understand why people must believe that they must have the latest and greatest, regardless if it's empty.

So far, I've yet to even see what the new WiiU games are about, or what they'll bring to gameplay.

Since I've been cheated out of the last Fatal Frame game, I really don't give a crap about Nintendo all that much.
 
2012-11-18 10:44:45 PM  
I'm going to wait a year or two until the price comes down considerably and there are more games. it's not much different than the wii.

The controller is the only appealing thing about it and I already have a tablet.
 
2012-11-18 10:48:37 PM  

Gordon Bennett: mongbiohazard: It's the lack of processing capability that proved its undoing with me. The Wii had lame specs on its hardware, so the graphics were lackluster. Graphics aren't everything - we definitely had a lot of fun playing tennis and bowling during parties - but they do matter. For my regular gaming the eye candy just wasn't enough to compete.

How sad for you. I enjoy all of my games, whether they are shiny new releases or my first C64 games. It must be awful to have your new games ruin the joy you had playing your older ones.


What's sad is that you were so eager to trumpet your superior stance that you missed his point entirely. There is clearly no point in having a console with yesteryear's hardware unless you're trying to repackage the same old crap. I see no real reason why Nintendo has bothered to continue making more consoles after the GameCube; the Wii could've been a forgettable peripheral, and the Wii U doesn't do much more than the GB Advance link cable did. Every Nintendo game released for the Wii can be replicated on GC hardware.

You could argue that processing power makes more things possible with the new consoles - but I wonder if the irony would even register.
 
2012-11-18 11:08:35 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Looking at it on eBay, most of them are going for slightly over market value. And when I say that, I mean "what they appear to be selling for", not "what people are asking for it". Not really the kind of margin worth taking a chance on 300-dollar hardware.


That's good to hear, actually. Seriously considering a pre-order, but didn't pull the trigger for this EXACT reason (risk VS reward). I was going to dislocate my own leg so I could absolutely kick my own ass if this turned quadruple digit AGAIN.
 
2012-11-18 11:16:24 PM  

moothemagiccow: burndtdan: I don't get WiiU. How is it different than a Wii, except for the DS controller (which I don't particularly see the appeal for)?

I'm not being snarky, I am really interested to find out what is new about it. Is it supposed to actually be powerful enough to handle more hardcore games? Or is it just that you can run it with a controller with a mini screen?

It does HD and supports an Xbox-like wireless controller. Most of the launch games are ports, like Assassins Creed, Arkham, and Black Ops.

They're also pushing remote-control functionality for your tv, with channel guides and such. At the very least, the touchscreen will make it easier to type shiat in. Can't count the number of times PS3 wants me to enter my netflix email and password.


You do realize that a PS3 can use any USB keyboard/many bluetooth keyboards right? They also made a pretty sweet mini keyboard that fastened on a PS3 controller.
 
2012-11-18 11:22:30 PM  
got a deluxe today... my impressions:

-hardware is well built, pro controller feels great as does the gamepad, console itself is quiet, also white definitely looks better than black, the touchscreen is okay - i have to admit i'm spoiled by my ipad 4's retina display
-OS is slow as hell, there's updates to every game on launch which is ridiculous as well, Wii mode takes so long to load up and looks washed out for some reason compared to my Wii hooked up with component cables... would rather just keep my Wii for Wii stuff (especially since it has gamecube B/C)
-the OS music is good by itself but after awhile as a menu OS feels... unexciting? Brian Eno-esque ambiance is great for a little while but this system needs some energy
-NintendoLand is trash, can't believe they're even selling it and can't believe reviewers like it either
-Mario Bros. U is really fun despite NIntendo not supporting their own pro controller or really using the touchscreen creatively (lots of fun to make platforms either way tho, helping or griefing), also the graphics are very sharp and colorful and exactly what you'd expect out of an HD 2d mario
-ZombiU is a lot of fun, we spent most of our time playing this game, lots of really great concepts that i'd kill to have in other games, also the first survival horror in years that has guns and still feels like actual survival horror, also the local multiplayer is a lot of fun the better everybody gets at the game tho it can become very one-sided if whoever plays the survivor isn't good

either way, a fun console even if it didn't blow me away, i expect nintendo to fix the OS and hopefully they add support for the pro controller in future 1st party games
 
2012-11-18 11:35:42 PM  

taxandspend: You're right, the Wii could have been a forgettable peripheral, instead it became the best selling console of this generation and changed the way we played games, plus all the franchises that were released on the Wii sold better, sometimes significantly better, than the Gamecube entries.


Oh look, the "better sales = better console" debate again. Tell me again how Avatar is the greatest movie ever made.

The fact you think Wii U nearly equals Gamecube + GB Advance shows how little you know about the Wii U or how much you're trolling.

Pedantry: when you don't have an argument but want to be right anyway.
 
2012-11-18 11:54:03 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Mike_LowELL: Fano: Don't worry, you'll get the Game Cube catalog with one additional board each and use of the tablet thingee mandatory and tacked on

If you're telling me that I'm getting a slight upgrade over Resident Evil 4, P.N. 03, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 4, and Metroid Prime, and other games like Viewtiful Joe, I'll take it.

You said Resident Evil 4 twice.

/I have to agree with you though.
//Man I can't believe I'm agree with Mike.


Maybe you can use the tablet to manage inventory, or else it can be a source of QTEs where you have to draw a picture before you get chainsawed

/still bitter about Wii Punchout Balance board
//at least you didn't HAVE to use it
 
2012-11-19 12:10:41 AM  
What kinda degree do I get if I play it for four years?
 
2012-11-19 12:25:57 AM  

Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.


I am ashamed, but I am that guy. I bought a Wii, played Twilight Princess, and tried a few other games and let the Wii fall by the wayside. I kinda wish I'd never bought it. I've been really busy/apathetic and never bothered with Skyward Sword. Dunno if I will ever get a Wii U. My son just turned 3, so maybe I will get one in a year or two.
 
2012-11-19 12:30:54 AM  

kliq: What kinda degree do I get if I play it for four years?


3rd degree couch rash.
 
2012-11-19 12:49:31 AM  

miniflea: Mike_LowELL: Looking at it on eBay, most of them are going for slightly over market value. And when I say that, I mean "what they appear to be selling for", not "what people are asking for it". Not really the kind of margin worth taking a chance on 300-dollar hardware.

Especially when you consider the fact that ebay takes ten percent of the final sale value, plus listing fees, plus paypal fees.


Simply wait until closer to Christmas time....
 
2012-11-19 12:49:36 AM  

taxandspend: First of all I didn't say that the Wii was better than the Gamecube, I said it sold better. You asked why Nintendo would bother making another console after the Gamecube and I replied that the Wii sold (400%) better than the Gamecube.


I asked in the context of it adding anything to gameplay, which clearly went sailing over your head. It's fine if you want to argue that Nintendo excels at packaging crap, or that they have some insight into what "pure" gamers want, but you can't have it both ways. Certainly, I'm not about to argue both sides to two different people, so I'll just agree with you that Nintendo are soulless marketing geniuses.

As for the second one, here is a list of things/features the Wii U Gamepad does that the GBA connection doesn't:
Touch screen gaming
Off-TV Play
Front Facing camera for video chat
NFC reader
Can be used as a remote control
Gyroscope, Accelerometer, Magnetometer
Motion control gaming.
Wireless gaming

So you're right, the GC-GBA connection does nearly as much as the Wii U.


The GBA does most of those things - either by itself, through peripherals or connected to the GC. Moreover, you can lump some of those together. Splitting hairs doesn't help your point.
 
2012-11-19 01:58:59 AM  

taxandspend: The GBA cannot blah blah

The GBA does most of those things - either by itself, through peripherals or connected to the GC.


Your reading comprehension is just absolute shiat. You're probably not even getting three words into my posts before you start frothing at the mouth at the idea that someone would dare to disagree with you. I don't know what the fark possessed you to chime in in the first place, other than Nintenyearold fanboy rage.

I prefer to dive into the future.

How ironic. Well, if the future is filled with regressive game concepts to appeal to non-gamers, then I'm running for the time machine. You go ahead and enjoy your 3D-modeled 2D games.

Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech. As I originally suggested, I have to wonder why Nintendo even bothers to make new consoles if they really are the bastion of pure gaming enjoyment that apologists would have me believe. Unless you can theorize why, I'm not really interested in anything else you have to say.
 
2012-11-19 02:02:18 AM  
Is it selling for 599 US Dollars?
 
2012-11-19 02:15:31 AM  

moothemagiccow: lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.


What drugs are you on dude? Twilight Princess was originally a Gamecube game that was poorly ported over to the Wii, so you're right in some regards there, but hating on Skyward Sword? Seriously? I haven't met a person I know that didn't love it. I thought the motion control was spot on. The dungeons were unique and interesting. The puzzle solving finally evolved past lighting torches or moving blocks around. The ability to upgrade your weapons multiple times was a pleasant add-on as well. SS was much more combat-oriented than just about any other LoZ game too. There are a million other things I can go on about how SS was nearly perfect in every regard and how it was everything I wanted in a Zelda game and got it(with the exception of the mediocre graphics, but that's really more of a problem with the Wii than the game).
 
2012-11-19 03:45:45 AM  
The potential of a handheld gaming device as a peripheral to the main device suggests new kinds of gameplay can happen.

I'll be getting one.
 
2012-11-19 05:30:42 AM  

Jedekai: We live in a world Sega created, Sony funded and Microsoft made integrated.

Nintendo decided to join the party a decade late.


Except for the Sega part. Basically.
 
2012-11-19 07:56:43 AM  

I Like Bread: taxandspend: The GBA cannot blah blah

The GBA does most of those things - either by itself, through peripherals or connected to the GC.

Your reading comprehension is just absolute shiat. You're probably not even getting three words into my posts before you start frothing at the mouth at the idea that someone would dare to disagree with you. I don't know what the fark possessed you to chime in in the first place, other than Nintenyearold fanboy rage.

I prefer to dive into the future.

How ironic. Well, if the future is filled with regressive game concepts to appeal to non-gamers, then I'm running for the time machine. You go ahead and enjoy your 3D-modeled 2D games.

Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech. As I originally suggested, I have to wonder why Nintendo even bothers to make new consoles if they really are the bastion of pure gaming enjoyment that apologists would have me believe. Unless you can theorize why, I'm not really interested in anything else you have to say.


this post doesn't really make any sense at all, NES had the D-pad, SNES had the shoulder buttons & 4 face buttons, N64 had the analog stick, Gamecube ironically was the one that didn't have anything new and Wii had the wiimote & motion/pointer controls

all of the above used their new control input schemes pretty much as well as they could within their respective generations, either at first or eventually

you look at Nintendo's strategy over the years, it's: A) start with a console that's massively different from its predecessor in how you play the games (NES, N64, Wii), B) refine that with the next console with extra inputs and more graphics and etc. (SNES, Gamecube, and now Wii U)

it's been successful for them so far, taking the first console and making something different with it boosts their sales and userbase while the 2nd console capitalizes on what the first did... i mean we're talking about a company that only makes video games, so to be on their 6th main console is a pretty huge feat, Sony is barely staying alive in the console business and they're on their 3rd, Microsoft just started making a profit on their 2nd console a few years ago

so yeah, it makes perfect sense why they'd make more hardware, even if it doesn't appeal to everybody
 
2012-11-19 08:17:45 AM  

AdamK: you look at Nintendo's strategy over the years, it's: A) start with a console that's massively different from its predecessor in how you play the games (NES, N64, Wii), B) refine that with the next console with extra inputs and more graphics and etc. (SNES, Gamecube, and now Wii U)


I'm going to argue that issuing a handheld game device as the controller is not a refinement, but a massive change from its predecessor.

In game theory, the largest splits of how to define games comes upon information management - can you see what your opponent is doing, or not? Then you have complete/incomplete and perfect/imperfect information groups.

Now we have a living room device that allows you to conceal information as if you were playing over a network or internet, but ALSO a main screen to demonstrate everything that is not concealed to you and your opponent (or partner).

This is a pretty massive change.
 
2012-11-19 08:19:18 AM  
Couldn't you use the GBA as a controller on the gamecube and use it to display info for certain games?
 
2012-11-19 08:23:25 AM  
Artificial demand created by a low release stock.
 
2012-11-19 08:30:54 AM  
I don't care if people like it or hate it; I just don't want to listen to people who don't like it crying about why others shouldn't like it for the next five years, like we had with the Wii. Hell, people are still doing that in this thread.

Shut up already.
 
2012-11-19 08:40:50 AM  
Nintendo consoles have Nintendo games on them. I'll eventually purchase it.

For everything else, I have a PC.
 
2012-11-19 09:08:18 AM  
I'll probably get one when Dragon Quest X comes out here. So, probably 2+ years from now at the rate they localize DQ games.
 
2012-11-19 09:34:51 AM  
I like how every time Nintendo comes out with something new, people who never had any plans of buying it come out of the woodwork to yell and scream about how it's all crap and this time Nintendo is going out of business for good, and all Nintendo does is keep walking all the way to the bank.
 
2012-11-19 10:20:13 AM  

Hand Banana: Couldn't you use the GBA as a controller on the gamecube and use it to display info for certain games?


Yep. Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles required each player to have their own GBA connected if you had more than one player. I think it was also used in Zelda: Four Swords.

Even though the Wii could connect to the DS, I don't remember the feature being used much at all. The only example I can think of is transferring Pokemon from the DS games to the Pokemon Ranch WiiWare game.
 
2012-11-19 10:23:05 AM  

taxandspend: Sony is in even worse shape when it comes to the Vita, which was outsold by the 3DS in Japan last week at a rate of 47:1 and not a single game for the system appeared in the top 50. Doesn't help that two of it's big holiday releases (Black Ops Declassified and Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation) aren't exactly critical favorites.


I really want a Vita for a few games (mobile Persona and the DJ Max titles), but can't justify the price of entry. The console itself is expensive (but maybe not unreasonably so considering its power), but then you also have to deal with Sony's proprietary memory cards (which are always overpriced). I think Sony tried to shove too many features into the Vita and priced themselves out of competition.
 
2012-11-19 10:41:24 AM  

FoxKelfonne: I like how every time Nintendo comes out with something new, people who never had any plans of buying it come out of the woodwork to yell and scream about how it's all crap and this time Nintendo is going out of business for good, and all Nintendo does is keep walking all the way to the bank.


Because those people would really like to play the new zelda/metroid/mario, but have no intention of of buying Nintendo's substandard system. Now, I'm using substandard subjectively here, other people may not agree with the designation, and that's fine. Ultimately, the complainers want Nintendo to just make software, so they can play the small handful of games they want without paying out the ass for them, or having to deal with gimmicky junk shoehorned in.
 
2012-11-19 01:49:15 PM  

starsrift: The potential of a handheld gaming device as a peripheral to the main device suggests new kinds of gameplay can happen.


If the predecessor was any indication, you'll end up with maybe 7 games that take proper advantage. Maybe.
/buys Nintendo systems for Nintendo games
 
2012-11-19 02:09:44 PM  

AdamK: this post doesn't really make any sense at all, NES had the D-pad, SNES had the shoulder buttons & 4 face buttons, N64 had the analog stick, Gamecube ironically was the one that didn't have anything new and Wii had the wiimote & motion/pointer controls


Your argument is based on what the controllers have on them? Have you even been paying attention to the thread? Get the fark out.
 
2012-11-19 03:08:52 PM  

I Like Bread: AdamK: this post doesn't really make any sense at all, NES had the D-pad, SNES had the shoulder buttons & 4 face buttons, N64 had the analog stick, Gamecube ironically was the one that didn't have anything new and Wii had the wiimote & motion/pointer controls

Your argument is based on what the controllers have on them? Have you even been paying attention to the thread? Get the fark out.


no, that is not my argument, that is my first sentence which was simply an observation

my angle was a response to "As I originally suggested, I have to wonder why Nintendo even bothers to make new consoles..."

they make new consoles to A) facilitate new gameplay (re: my first observation about input schemes) and thus attract new consumers, then B) new consoles that capitalize on the market they attracted with the previous generation

my conclusion was simply: they make new hardware (and will probably keep doing so) because they have a profitable strategy

Sony did not have a profitable strategy, they had a market dominating strategy that backfired pretty badly and would be a disaster if the entire industry adopted it

i'm still wrapping my head around this sentence tho: "Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech."

so fans defend a console with "graphics > gameplay" and apparently nintendo feels the same? either way that's the first time i've ever heard that argument leveled at Nintendo or their fans, maybe if the Wii U was literally just a "Wii 2" - same console but no touchscreen device and wiimotes as primary controller, that would be pretty horrible
 
2012-11-19 03:16:22 PM  

taxandspend: Hand Banana: Couldn't you use the GBA as a controller on the gamecube and use it to display info for certain games?

Yeah, the four biggest being Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Legend of Zelda Wind Waker, Animal Crossing and Four Swords Adventures. You can do the same on the WIi with Pokemon Battle Revolution and the DS. Microsoft is doing something similar with SmartGlass, but none of those can do everything the WiiU Gamepad can, even with a peripheral.

AdamK: Sony is barely staying alive in the console business and they're on their 3rd

Sony is in even worse shape when it comes to the Vita, which was outsold by the 3DS in Japan last week at a rate of 47:1 and not a single game for the system appeared in the top 50. Doesn't help that two of it's big holiday releases (Black Ops Declassified and Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation) aren't exactly critical favorites.


the Vita is a good handheld (better than the 3DS) but there's no market for it, Nintendo has a stable of 1st and 3rd party franchises as well as competitive pricing that can sell a 3DS, the Vita has barely any pedigree with regards to PSP games jumping forward and Sony is selling it at a loss and can't be competitive with their pricing... all of this is bad news when you consider dedicated gaming devices are simply losing their value, a smartphone is something you would carry around all the time, an ipod at least plays your music, an ipad/tablet at least has great internet capabilities and can be used as an e-reader... neither the Vita nor the 3DS can compete against any of that, so they have to be fantastic on the game front and as i said - price and consumer mindshare matters

i should know, i sold my vita because my ipad dominated my time - there was simply no reason to ever pick one up (not to mention, AC:L was boring...)
 
2012-11-19 03:25:58 PM  

AdamK: i'm still wrapping my head around this sentence tho: "Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech."

so fans defend a console with "graphics > gameplay" and apparently nintendo feels the same? either way that's the first time i've ever heard that argument leveled at Nintendo or their fans, maybe if the Wii U was literally just a "Wii 2" - same console but no touchscreen device and wiimotes as primary controller, that would be pretty horrible


That was a typo... even though I retyped it twice. What I should've said is that Nintendo fans defend the console by labeling the opposition with the superficial label of "graphics > gameplay". Regardless, I can't imagine a single Wii game that justifies new hardware - or a new controller, really, beyond waggle controls replacing what the analog stick used to do.
 
2012-11-19 03:35:52 PM  

kab: I thought the 99% were cash strapped? Or was that just last year?


It's cool we bet all our money on black and now the President is going to ring in economic good times with high taxes and fewer government services.
 
2012-11-19 03:37:30 PM  

wholedamnshow: moothemagiccow: lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.

What drugs are you on dude? Twilight Princess was originally a Gamecube game that was poorly ported over to the Wii, so you're right in some regards there, but hating on Skyward Sword? Seriously? I haven't met a person I know that didn't love it. I thought the motion control was spot on. The dungeons were unique and interesting. The puzzle solving finally evolved past lighting torches or moving blocks around. The ability to upgrade your weapons multiple times was a pleasant add-on as well. SS was much more combat-oriented than just about any other LoZ game too. There are a million other things I can go on about how SS was nearly perfect in every regard and how it was everything I wanted in a Zelda game and got it(with the exception of the mediocre graphics, but that's really more of a problem with the Wii than the game).


I loved Skyward Sword, but there were some things that seriously weakened the game.

Fi: Oh dear god, just shut the f*ck up. Her job seemed to consist of repeating the most obvious facts and being f*cking annoying.

"Your heart containers are low. I will now continuously beep loudly to remind you of this".

"There is an 85% chance that there is a key to this giant lock in this dungeon."

Even worse, during boss battles, instead of giving you clues to weak spots (like Navi did), Fi just shrugs and says "I dunno".

The flying: Take the monotonous sailing from Wind Waker and add in annoying controls. Sounds like fun, huh?

the stamina meter: No. Just no.

having to forage junk to make better shields : You mean, instead of just buying a better shield that doesn't break after 3 hits, I have to go hunt for 12 doodads, 5 knickknacks, and 7 widgets to make one? And those 12 doodads each have a 1/64 chance of appearing? Whoever thought this up should be launched into the sun.
 
2012-11-19 03:45:24 PM  

NeoCortex42: taxandspend: Sony is in even worse shape when it comes to the Vita, which was outsold by the 3DS in Japan last week at a rate of 47:1 and not a single game for the system appeared in the top 50. Doesn't help that two of it's big holiday releases (Black Ops Declassified and Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation) aren't exactly critical favorites.

I really want a Vita for a few games (mobile Persona and the DJ Max titles), but can't justify the price of entry. The console itself is expensive (but maybe not unreasonably so considering its power), but then you also have to deal with Sony's proprietary memory cards (which are always overpriced). I think Sony tried to shove too many features into the Vita and priced themselves out of competition.


The Vita is now on sale in $200 bundles with AC III Liberation or BLOPS:Declassified and a 4GB memory card. There also will be 250 GB PS3 bundled with Uncharted 1 & 2 and inFamous 1 & 2 for $200.

More info can be found here: Link
 
2012-11-19 03:53:54 PM  

I Like Bread: AdamK: i'm still wrapping my head around this sentence tho: "Most die-hard fans defend these consoles with the mantra "graphics are better than gameplay" and Nintendo doesn't seem too invested in introducing gameplay elements that facilitate the need for new tech."

so fans defend a console with "graphics > gameplay" and apparently nintendo feels the same? either way that's the first time i've ever heard that argument leveled at Nintendo or their fans, maybe if the Wii U was literally just a "Wii 2" - same console but no touchscreen device and wiimotes as primary controller, that would be pretty horrible

That was a typo... even though I retyped it twice. What I should've said is that Nintendo fans defend the console by labeling the opposition with the superficial label of "graphics > gameplay". Regardless, I can't imagine a single Wii game that justifies new hardware - or a new controller, really, beyond waggle controls replacing what the analog stick used to do.


sure, for the most part the Wii was released "gimped" because of the lack of fidelity in the wiimote's motion sensing technology, if you compared the Wii to the DS's touchscreen implementation you could easily see how "undercooking" a new input could be detrimental to a device's appeal over the long haul... they tried to rectify that with motion+ but by then everybody had moved on (including Nintendo it seems)

at the very least, the Wii was kind of the odd-one-out, as all other Nintendo devices (even the Wii U) don't really brute-force an input scheme on everybody

i'd say the "graphics > gameplay crowd" both has a point and also doesn't see the bigger picture - that is, Nintendo does focus on gameplay first and graphics second but all the same a lot of their gametypes are samey and they milk their franchises dry for the same reasons 3rd parties are milking their 360/PS3 franchises dry of creativity - financial stress, everybody wants to have a steady flow of money and not have their company whimmed into bankruptcy by one or two gambles

but that's a gaming industry problem and unfair of nintendo fans to throw at anybody else
 
2012-11-19 04:02:59 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: NeoCortex42: taxandspend: Sony is in even worse shape when it comes to the Vita, which was outsold by the 3DS in Japan last week at a rate of 47:1 and not a single game for the system appeared in the top 50. Doesn't help that two of it's big holiday releases (Black Ops Declassified and Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation) aren't exactly critical favorites.

I really want a Vita for a few games (mobile Persona and the DJ Max titles), but can't justify the price of entry. The console itself is expensive (but maybe not unreasonably so considering its power), but then you also have to deal with Sony's proprietary memory cards (which are always overpriced). I think Sony tried to shove too many features into the Vita and priced themselves out of competition.

The Vita is now on sale in $200 bundles with AC III Liberation or BLOPS:Declassified and a 4GB memory card. There also will be 250 GB PS3 bundled with Uncharted 1 & 2 and inFamous 1 & 2 for $200.

More info can be found here: Link


That's not a bad deal, actually. I'd probably be willing to buy it at that price if I had any income at the moment. Although the top of my Christmas list is a Nexus 7. Can't go wrong with emulators and a full ROM library.
 
2012-11-19 07:12:47 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: wholedamnshow: moothemagiccow: lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.

What drugs are you on dude? Twilight Princess was originally a Gamecube game that was poorly ported over to the Wii, so you're right in some regards there, but hating on Skyward Sword? Seriously? I haven't met a person I know that didn't love it. I thought the motion control was spot on. The dungeons were unique and interesting. The puzzle solving finally evolved past lighting torches or moving blocks around. The ability to upgrade your weapons multiple times was a pleasant add-on as well. SS was much more combat-oriented than just about any other LoZ game too. There are a million other things I can go on about how SS was nearly perfect in every regard and how it was everything I wanted in a Zelda game and got it(with the exception of the mediocre graphics, but that's really more of a problem with the Wii than the game).

I loved Skyward Sword, but there were some things that seriously weakened the game.

Fi: Oh dear god, just shut the f*ck up. Her job seemed to consist of repeating the most obvious facts and being f*cking annoying.

"Your heart containers are low. I will now continuously beep loudly to remind you of this".

"There is an 85% chance that there is a key to this giant lock in this dungeon."

Even worse, during boss battles, instead of giving you clues to weak spots (like Navi did), Fi just shrugs and says "I dunno".

The flying: Take the monotonous sailing from Wind Waker and add ...




1. On Fi, agreed. Annoying as hell.

2. Also agreed, but I really don't think this took away from the game. Hearts were plentiful as soon as you go chopping down some grass.

3. Agreed as well.

4. I actually liked this element. You actually to be in combat with the bosses for a short while before Fi could figure anything out versus Navi who would point out the obvious boss weaknesses. I think this actually made the game more challenging.

5. Flying was meh, but nowhere near as crucial to the game as sailing was to WW. In WW you had to sail to get ANYWHERE. Obviously SS had the main hub area and you just flew for a minute or two to get to the part of the world you wanted to go to.
 
2012-11-19 08:24:03 PM  
The only thing fun about console launches now that scalpers ruined it is that Ebay lets you create accounts and buy stuff immediately without any hassle. I have so many bogus accounts to piss people like this off.
 
2012-11-19 09:41:20 PM  
So I have one of these things.

I haven't opened it yet. I'm debating... Should I keep it, or sell it?

I could currently profit by about $70 if I sold it. That's not much. Sure, I'd get my original $300 back, but I'm not hurting for cash right now (lots of business during the holidays) and it might be nice to play with yet another new gadget. And who knows? Some of the third party titles might be better on the Wii U than on the PS3.

But damn... I don't know. If the demand remains high, and Nintendo doesn't get them to stores, then the potential profit from not opening it and selling it could get pretty high. I don't normally approve of profiteering, but in this case I didn't get it specifically for that purpose. It was there, I had $300, and I grabbed it because I knew it would be a hard-to-find item. I had no idea what I'd DO with it, though. Not really.

And I do happen to know a certain kid who might enjoy having it around.

I'm just wary of Nintendo. I have watched them pound their good name into the dirt, and I really don't know if some Mario, Zelda, and Metroid exclusives are going to be worth this much to me.

Hrm. On the other hand, I never got the Wii, and this would let me play all the good Wii games (what are there, like a dozen?) while I wait for good 1st-party and 3rd-party titles to show up.

What to do... What to do..?

Hrm.
 
2012-11-19 09:45:18 PM  

ZeroCorpse: What to do... What to do..?

Hrm.


Wait until December 23rd to decide. You could either make a nephew very happy, or rake in a tidy sum.
 
2012-11-19 11:27:47 PM  

ZeroCorpse: So I have one of these things.

I haven't opened it yet. I'm debating... Should I keep it, or sell it?

I could currently profit by about $70 if I sold it. That's not much. Sure, I'd get my original $300 back, but I'm not hurting for cash right now (lots of business during the holidays) and it might be nice to play with yet another new gadget. And who knows? Some of the third party titles might be better on the Wii U than on the PS3.

But damn... I don't know. If the demand remains high, and Nintendo doesn't get them to stores, then the potential profit from not opening it and selling it could get pretty high. I don't normally approve of profiteering, but in this case I didn't get it specifically for that purpose. It was there, I had $300, and I grabbed it because I knew it would be a hard-to-find item. I had no idea what I'd DO with it, though. Not really.

And I do happen to know a certain kid who might enjoy having it around.

I'm just wary of Nintendo. I have watched them pound their good name into the dirt, and I really don't know if some Mario, Zelda, and Metroid exclusives are going to be worth this much to me.

Hrm. On the other hand, I never got the Wii, and this would let me play all the good Wii games (what are there, like a dozen?) while I wait for good 1st-party and 3rd-party titles to show up.

What to do... What to do..?

Hrm.


If you're rolling in the cash like you say, then money isn't the point here. Give the kid the Wii U. After he unboxes it for Christmas, you two can play it together, and that can help you decide if you want to get one for yourself. Otherwise, go for that $200 PS3 bundle I mentioned upthread.
 
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