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(Forbes)   Nintendo Wii U consoles sold out, already selling for over $500 on Ebay   (forbes.com) divider line 154
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2012-11-18 05:55:20 PM  

Fano: Don't worry, you'll get the Game Cube catalog with one additional board each and use of the tablet thingee mandatory and tacked on


If you're telling me that I'm getting a slight upgrade over Resident Evil 4, P.N. 03, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 4, and Metroid Prime, and other games like Viewtiful Joe, I'll take it.
 
2012-11-18 05:56:02 PM  
If anybody is still looking for one, Walmart has it available online. It's a bundle so you have to pick two games.
 
2012-11-18 05:56:52 PM  
Doc Daneeka: As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.

I was more interested in the Wii for the gamecube backward compatibility, but then they yanked that. And I just stopped caring.

// need to catch up on ratchet and clank on the PS3 side. After I'm done with fallout NV, and Skyrim, etc.

// too many games, not enough time to game :^/
 
2012-11-18 06:00:34 PM  

Malacon: NeoCortex42: It's completely backwards compatible with the Wii

Oh snap, really?

If that's true then I may get one. Me and the GF were talking about it and decided we weren't going to get it since we don't play the Wii enough to warrant getting a new system AND trashing out old games... I may know what to get her for Christmas now.

Do you know if I can transfer over games we bought and DL'd to the Wii? or are those lost? (we have some classic Nintendo games like Super Mario 3)


yeah, you just need an SD Card http://www.destructoid.com/this-is-how-wii-to-wii-u-transfers-are-goi n g-down-son-238189.phtml
 
2012-11-18 06:04:56 PM  

thisiszombocom: why are there still side scroller games? seriously. hasnt video game play advanced since 1984?


Not really, no. The third person action game is the new side scroller/platformer now. Everything's based off Grand Theft Auto 3.
 
2012-11-18 06:05:55 PM  

moothemagiccow: burndtdan: I don't get WiiU. How is it different than a Wii, except for the DS controller (which I don't particularly see the appeal for)?

I'm not being snarky, I am really interested to find out what is new about it. Is it supposed to actually be powerful enough to handle more hardcore games? Or is it just that you can run it with a controller with a mini screen?

It does HD and supports an Xbox-like wireless controller. Most of the launch games are ports, like Assassins Creed, Arkham, and Black Ops.

They're also pushing remote-control functionality for your tv, with channel guides and such. At the very least, the touchscreen will make it easier to type shiat in. Can't count the number of times PS3 wants me to enter my netflix email and password.


The Ps3 does support USB keyboards, ya know...
 
2012-11-18 06:06:51 PM  
People with the mental perspective of a teenage fanboy keep making excuses for this iteration of Nintendo hardware, but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360 that are over 5 years old, and their best launch game is a rehash of a game that is over 25 years old. Unless Nintendo is officially determined to corner the 10 and under demo, then they deserve to go bankrupt.
 
2012-11-18 06:09:22 PM  

lordargent: I almost bought a Wii to catch up on Zelda.

// but after buying a PS3 to play heavy rain and the uncharted series, then watching it collect dust after that, I realized that the same would probably happen to the Wii.


The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.
 
2012-11-18 06:10:47 PM  

MayoSlather: People with the mental perspective of a teenage fanboy keep making excuses for this iteration of Nintendo hardware, but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360 that are over 5 years old, and their best launch game is a rehash of a game that is over 25 years old. Unless Nintendo is officially determined to corner the 10 and under demo, then they deserve to go bankrupt.


Rehash of a 14 year old game. The modern zelda games are as far from the NES version as you can get.
 
2012-11-18 06:12:20 PM  

secularsage: The Ps3 does support USB keyboards, ya know...


Think I need more crap in my living room just because the netflix app sucks? If I hit stop at the wrong time everything goes to shiat.
 
2012-11-18 06:13:12 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.


And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.
 
2012-11-18 06:14:24 PM  

MayoSlather: but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360


So the best games are the ones with the best graphics?
 
2012-11-18 06:16:05 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.


I hate anyone that still uses the word "hater" in 2013.. Even Juggalos don't use that anymore.
 
2012-11-18 06:17:44 PM  

thisiszombocom: Britney Spear's Speculum: why are there still side scroller games? seriously. hasnt video game play advanced since 1984?


Hey! If we get rid of side scrollers, we'll never get another Mischief Makers!

/A man can dream
 
2012-11-18 06:18:06 PM  
I will probably buy one at some point but I have plenty of games to catch up on already. If only I didn't have to earn a living.
 
2012-11-18 06:21:01 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: MayoSlather: but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360

So the best games are the ones with the best graphics?


No, but it helps sometimes. Just look at the difference between the original Dead Rising and the Wii version. It ended up being a joke of a port.
 
2012-11-18 06:24:15 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: MayoSlather: but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360

So the best games are the ones with the best graphics?


Was that my argument? Nope.
 
2012-11-18 06:25:06 PM  

MayoSlather: Was that my argument? Nope.


That's exactly what your argument was.
 
2012-11-18 06:25:18 PM  
moothemagiccow: The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control.

Well the last Zelda game that I played was a link to the past, so I would be starting with the gamecube era games.

I basically see the Wii as an overclocked gamecube.

// The motion sensitivity thing is not even a thing for me. Though on the xbox, I was impressed with err, whatever their thing does (forgot the name of it), but wasn't interested enough to actually buy the thing (I am amused at people hacking it to use for other purposes though).
 
2012-11-18 06:25:35 PM  

NeoCortex42: Popcorn Johnny: MayoSlather: but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360

So the best games are the ones with the best graphics?

No, but it helps sometimes. Just look at the difference between the original Dead Rising and the Wii version. It ended up being a joke of a port.


image.gamespotcdn.net
 
2012-11-18 06:31:12 PM  

moothemagiccow: MayoSlather: People with the mental perspective of a teenage fanboy keep making excuses for this iteration of Nintendo hardware, but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360 that are over 5 years old, and their best launch game is a rehash of a game that is over 25 years old. Unless Nintendo is officially determined to corner the 10 and under demo, then they deserve to go bankrupt.

Rehash of a 14 year old game. The modern zelda games are as far from the NES version as you can get.


Nintendo launched the NES with Super Mario Bros in 1985. That's 27 years by my count. Is there a Zelda game at launch that I'm not aware of?
 
2012-11-18 06:34:29 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: MayoSlather: Was that my argument? Nope.

That's exactly what your argument was.


So you're going to play the intentionally obtuse role here? That's what I'm assuming, or you really are as dumb as you are pretending.
 
2012-11-18 06:37:43 PM  

styckx: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

I hate anyone that still uses the word "hater" in 2013.. Even Juggalos don't use that anymore.


Not to take a side in this, but "hater" in that context, "BLANK-hater", isn't dated. It's normal, everyday English that has been in use since the word "hate" was developed.

Even in 1880, if one hates the theatre, they're a theatre-hater, and if one loves the theatre, they're a theatre-lover.

Now, you'd have a point if he just said "I see all the haters are out in force" because "hater" by itself is a fairly recent development in English (the earliest I heard it was the mid-1980s, but it seemed to get pretty popular in the 90s). However, he didn't say "haters", he said "Nintendo-haters", which is a perfectly cromulent use of a hyphenated word string. Complaining about people saying "subject-hater" is kind of like complaining if someone says "fan" instead of root word "fanatic".

And if you're going to complain about "hater" in any sense, then I'd better goddamn never see you use the word "cosplay" in a sentence.
 
2012-11-18 06:40:50 PM  
Popcorn Johnny : That's exactly what your argument was.

Please refer to my "horsepower == better AI" argument.

Better tools == the potential for much better games

That's not to say that a game with low overhead isn't good. But as a gamer, I want everything. I want my simple fun games, but I also want my big immersive graphically intensive games, and the simple fact is that there are just some things you can't do on the Wii due to the lack of horsepower.

I couldn't use it as just my primary system, and as a secondary system, I have to judge it on what I don't already get from my main consoles.

I already had an XBOX 360 with dozens of games, but then bought a PS3 (for uncharted, little big planet, heavy rain, and the ratchet and clank series). And I paid a price for the PS3 that reflected the value of those games to me.

The Wii unfortunately never did it for me. I'm actually thinking of grabbing a dirt cheap gamecube now.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-11-18 06:46:24 PM  

Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.


Their marketing strategy is having a stable of renowned and iconic gaming franchises for which they put out new installments that are of consistently high quality, usually among the best titles on their console, which will in turn induce people to buy said console?

You're right, that's quite a marketing scam they have running there. Putting out great games in beloved franchises that people want to buy. But you can see right through them and their trickery.
 
2012-11-18 06:46:31 PM  
I will say, however, that the hyphens weren't necessary.
 
2012-11-18 06:48:25 PM  

styckx: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

I hate
anyone that still uses the word "hater" in 2013.. Even Juggalos don't use that anymore.


By that way, that makes you a hater-hater.
 
2012-11-18 06:49:44 PM  

MayoSlather: moothemagiccow: MayoSlather: People with the mental perspective of a teenage fanboy keep making excuses for this iteration of Nintendo hardware, but there are no excuses for a device that barely matches up to the PS3 and Xbox 360 that are over 5 years old, and their best launch game is a rehash of a game that is over 25 years old. Unless Nintendo is officially determined to corner the 10 and under demo, then they deserve to go bankrupt.

Rehash of a 14 year old game. The modern zelda games are as far from the NES version as you can get.

Nintendo launched the NES with Super Mario Bros in 1985. That's 27 years by my count. Is there a Zelda game at launch that I'm not aware of?


oo that makes more sense
 
2012-11-18 06:52:56 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.

Their marketing strategy is having a stable of renowned and iconic gaming franchises for which they put out new installments that are of consistently high quality, usually among the best titles on their console, which will in turn induce people to buy said console?

You're right, that's quite a marketing scam they have running there. Putting out great games in beloved franchises that people want to buy. But you can see right through them and their trickery.


Except I didn't say it was a scam. I merely pointed out that Nintendo markets the big 3(Mario/Metroid/Zelda) and little else. That's why so many Wii are nothing more than dust collectors that only get hauled out for parties every so often. So good on Nintendo for having some entrenched franchises that sell consoles, but shame on them for giving you little else.
 
2012-11-18 07:07:49 PM  

Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

And that ladies and gentlemen is Nintendos entire marketing campaign summed up in one sentence.

Their marketing strategy is having a stable of renowned and iconic gaming franchises for which they put out new installments that are of consistently high quality, usually among the best titles on their console, which will in turn induce people to buy said console?

You're right, that's quite a marketing scam they have running there. Putting out great games in beloved franchises that people want to buy. But you can see right through them and their trickery.

Except I didn't say it was a scam. I merely pointed out that Nintendo markets the big 3(Mario/Metroid/Zelda) and little else. That's why so many Wii are nothing more than dust collectors that only get hauled out for parties every so often. So good on Nintendo for having some entrenched franchises that sell consoles, but shame on them for giving you little else.


That's not entirely true.

Nintendo also released for the Wii a new Animal Crossing, two new Kirbies, a new Donkey-Kong Country, a new Punch-Out, a new Fire Emblem, and others. They released a new Golden Sun for DS, a new Kid Icarus for 3DS, and one of their notable games coming soon to WiiU is Pikmin 3. So it's just not true that Nintendo focuses only on those three franchises. They generally release new games from almost all if them.

Beside which, even their "Mario" games encompass a broad array of different genres: platforming, racing (Mario Kart), fighting (Smash Bros), RPGs (Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi), sports (Mario Golf/Tennis/Sluggers/Strikers), etc.

I'm more than satisfied with Nintendo's software offerings. But they should not be responsible for providing all the good games on their console. It's the third-parties who really dropped the ball with the Wii. It's really "shame on them for giving us little else."
 
2012-11-18 07:10:17 PM  

Doc Daneeka: But they should not be responsible for providing all the good games on their console. It's the third-parties who really dropped the ball with the Wii. It's really "shame on them for giving us little else."


Nintendo sorta encourages and nurtures the kids+family environment that isn't so good for selling yearly installments of Madden, the latest FPS craze and/or shovelware.
 
2012-11-18 07:10:45 PM  
I don't think Nintendo is going for kids and old people. I think they're providing for the non typical gamers. I enjoy the Wii as a fun system and it's great for parties since you can get people up and being silly. The other systems are normally just sit down and push buttons. If I still cared enough to really play involved games I might look into a PS3 or 360, but I just want to have some fun so don't care if the graphics and power aren't top of the line.

Might get a WiiU if it seems interesting enough. Wouldn't be till after Christmas though. Don't care enough about it to fight the crowds and pay a premium.
 
2012-11-18 07:13:01 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: I will say this, I have a release day wii that I hacked with the HBC and what-have-you. I have the NES, snes and N64 emulators so it pretty much allows me to have every nintendo title from my childhood in one system.


This is what I did before I modded an original xbox as an emulator. Works real well. Ended up being the only thing I used it for
 
2012-11-18 07:14:40 PM  

Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: Except I didn't say it was a scam. I merely pointed out that Nintendo markets the big 3(Mario/Metroid/Zelda) and little else. That's why so many Wii are nothing more than dust collectors that only get hauled out for parties every so often. So good on Nintendo for having some entrenched franchises that sell consoles, but shame on them for giving you little else.


Because the PS3 and 360 are so immune to shovel ware?

Also, apart from your "big 3", the Wii had Xenoblade, Monster Hunter Tri, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Trauma Center, Okami, Kirby's Epic Yarn, WarioWare, Last Story, and Rune Factory. Granted, some other Nintendo franchises in there, but hardly JUST Mario/Metroid/Zelda. I'd actually argue that the Metroid/Zelda Wii games are probably weaker than the other games on the system.
 
2012-11-18 07:16:18 PM  

tomcatadam: Nintendo sorta encourages and nurtures the kids+family environment that isn't so good for selling yearly installments of Madden, the latest FPS craze and/or shovelware.


One of those things is NOT like the other....

I'm sure I've seen annual Madden on Wii, and I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one piece of shovelware.

/FPS make me motion sick, I'll be getting a Wii U.
 
2012-11-18 07:20:24 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I'm more than satisfied with Nintendo's software offerings. But they should not be responsible for providing all the good games on their console. It's the third-parties who really dropped the ball with the Wii. It's really "shame on them for giving us little else."


IMO, the "innovative" control setup of the Wii becomes "gimmick" when it comes to third party stuff. It was the same reason why I got rid of my DS... there was no point to the gimmick of the stylus screen, and it just got in the way of third party development. There's just no real point to making the Wii-mote work if you're a developer.

We do like the Wii in our household. I'm not a big fan of it, though.

/Wii-U? Maybe when there's a Zelda title, and it's on sale. The next console I might get would be a PS3 for a second bluray player & to play the Uncharted series.

moothemagiccow: The Wii Zelda games are pretty bad. Twilight Princess has a six hour intro section followed by a decent game and Skyward Sword reuses the same three levels for 30 hours and overdoes motion control. I fought the same boss in the same arena three times with minor differences. If SS wasn't Zelda no one would've bought it.


My son beat Skyward Sword on Hero mode when he was 4 years old (having already smashed the normal mode in SS), and he doesn't spend all day playing video games.
 
2012-11-18 07:23:24 PM  

ZeroCorpse:
Why are there still books? Hasn't reading evolved since the 5th century?


And books in the 5th century actually looked better, like they were hand penned with care. Now a days, it's all mass produced crap, and even the alphabet is smaller. :(
 
2012-11-18 07:26:30 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I'm more than satisfied with Nintendo's software offerings. But they should not be responsible for providing all the good games on their console. It's the third-parties who really dropped the ball with the Wii. It's really "shame on them for giving us little else."


The question you should be asking is why weren't third party developers making games for the Wii. the answer is pretty interesting.


Summoner101:

Because the PS3 and 360 are so immune to shovel ware?1>

Never said otherwise.

Also, apart from your "big 3", the Wii had Xenoblade, Monster Hunter Tri, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Trauma Center, Okami, Kirby's Epic Yarn, WarioWare, Last Story, and Rune Factory. Granted, some other Nintendo franchises in there, but hardly JUST Mario/Metroid/Zelda. I'd actually argue that the Metroid/Zelda Wii games are probably weaker than the other games on the system.

Point taken. Perhaps "Nintendo franchise games" would have been a better phrase. As I've said before in previous threads on this issue, Nintendo has let third party support fall by the wayside over the last decade so I'm really curios to see what happens with the U.

 
2012-11-18 07:45:52 PM  
Has everyone forgotten bayonetta 2?

What is Nintendo doing sponsoring an M rated game?

upload.wikimedia.org

Never mind, carry on.

/dat ass
 
2012-11-18 08:06:32 PM  

styckx: Doc Daneeka: I see the Nintendo-haters are out in force in this thread.

As for the WiiU, I'm not going to pick it up in the launch window. But I'm certain I'll get one by the time it gets its Zelda.

I hate anyone that still uses the word "hater" in 2013.. Even Juggalos don't use that anymore.


Hey, can you give us some stock tips and Lotto numbers?
 
2012-11-18 08:08:06 PM  

viscountalpha: Has everyone forgotten bayonetta 2?

What is Nintendo doing sponsoring an M rated game?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x290]

Never mind, carry on.

/dat ass


Literally because they were the only company that wanted to publish the game. That I don't have a problem with.

The sad part about the WiiU is that, even if it really... REALLY doesn't work, NIntendo will still be fine because of the 3DS. I have a Vita, love my Vita, but the thing will never compete with Nintendo's handhelds. They simply have too big and loyal of a fanbase now, and the games go to the handheld with the larger install base. I still have a feeling that the Vita will be the GameCube of handhelds... it won't sell well at all next to everything else, but it will have a few handfuls of games that everyone will want to play later on when it gets cheaper.

I don't have a problem with Nintendo's success, but every console manufacturer needs a low point every now and then to keep them straight. Nintendo had the GameCube, Sony had the PS3, and I got a feeling Microsoft might do really bad this next gen if they make the XBox 720 a Windows 8 console. I grew out of Nintendo, and it hasn't interested me since the SNES, but I give them props for knowing how to appeal to their fanbase.
 
2012-11-18 08:12:23 PM  
I'm not sure how the Wii U will pan out.

On one hand, I don't care about it as a gamer. I like the asymmetrical gameplay that the controller affords: there are some really fun possibilities that could be had with this setup (like as a DM screen for a D&D-style RPG). The problem is that I doubt such a title would come from Nintendo themselves, and I just don't see the third parties lining up like they used to. The spate of cheap ports and lack of anything resembling a killer app are also disquieting.

On the other hand, this could be a big win for Nintendo. The average masses loved the Wii as a catch-all kid machine that also played Netflix...the integration of TV functions into the gamepad could be a huge winner for this market that has yet to widely adopt tablets, let alone sync them to their entertainment setups.

tl;dr- Gamers won't like it, but casuals just might have a winner on their hands.
 
2012-11-18 08:20:13 PM  
Fake shortage. These will not be the next Wii.
 
2012-11-18 08:25:05 PM  
It has a few features that could be interesting down the road, but honestly. I'm not getting the urge to run out and buy one yet. Too much up in the air, and we haven't seen it's rivals yet.

I'll give it a year or two to cook, and then we'll see what it brings.
 
2012-11-18 08:25:12 PM  

Wii.Tard: OriginalGamer: Wii.Tard: styckx: I agree.. Nintendo has been dead since the N64.. Ever since then they went full Apple and EA sports.. The ut-most minimal hardware upgrades, then repackage the the same shiat in a new case w/ one over priced feature.

In other words, Apple.

Only Apple as seen by farkers. iPhone 5 benchmarks completely show that it's the fatest smartphone, hardly an "minimal hardware upgrade". But please, feel free to ignore reality.

Oh yeah well The Jerk Store called and they're running out of you!


What's the difference? You're their all-time best seller!
 
2012-11-18 08:38:57 PM  

taxandspend: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Fake shortage. These will not be the next Wii.

Of course it's not the next Wii. There will never be another Wii just as there will never be another DS. Those two systems hit at the right time and right price to usher in a new gamers who more than likely have moved on to iOS gaming.


The 3DS is actually selling at a faster clip than the DS was at the equivalent point in its life cycle.
 
2012-11-18 08:41:52 PM  
The WiiU is farking a farking ma farking zing. fark.


Fark fark fark fark fark fark fark fark fark.
 
2012-11-18 08:43:56 PM  

Doc Daneeka: The 3DS is actually selling at a faster clip than the DS was at the equivalent point in its life cycle.


www.gamesetwatch.com

From Gamasutra's November recap of this year at retail: The only reason the 3DS sold more units in the first ten months of this year than last year is because the 3DS wasn't launched until late February.
 
2012-11-18 09:06:24 PM  
I am surprised noone has mentioned ZombieU yet. Seems like it's gotten good reviews.

/Going to wait until there are more titles and it's more fully baked before deciding to buy.
 
2012-11-18 09:17:11 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Fano: Don't worry, you'll get the Game Cube catalog with one additional board each and use of the tablet thingee mandatory and tacked on

If you're telling me that I'm getting a slight upgrade over Resident Evil 4, P.N. 03, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 4, and Metroid Prime, and other games like Viewtiful Joe, I'll take it.


You said Resident Evil 4 twice.

/I have to agree with you though.
//Man I can't believe I'm agree with Mike.
 
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