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(Salon)   "I knew Amazon was evil and is killing bookstores. Then, I got a Kindle...and suddenly, I loved Amazon"   (salon.com) divider line 220
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2012-11-18 06:09:22 PM

kronicfeld: I've read a few books on my iPad, but I really just can't stay focused on them. Maybe it's what I've read, but I find it much easier to sit and plow through 100 pages of a bound book than an e-book.


The iPad is a piss-poor ebook reader. I have a Kindle e-ink, a Kindle Fire and an iPad 2 to read books on. The Kindle fire has been given to my daughter (who plays games on it), the IPad is used as a tablet, not to read books on and the old original Kindle is used for all my "book" reading. And I read a LOT of books.

The advantage of an ebook reader over a printed book is that of storage space. I just measured two shelves on my office book case - five and a half feet of ten inch high obsolete computer manuals. What a waste! The computer books on my Kindle don't take up any additional room and are easily discarded when they become obsolete. It's come to the point where I won't buy a paperback book anymore.

Note the word "paperback" above. I'm about to place a hundred dollar deposit on a translation of an 18th century french book on marquetry. The total cost will be around four hundred dollars and cheap at the price. Despite the fact that the Académie française was established in 1635, the meaning of technical terms had been lost until a dedicated group of people pieced them back together. It took four years to translate this book into modern english. For some things, there is no replacement for the printed book.
 
2012-11-18 06:50:26 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Now that Kindle books are priced at or even above physical book prices, I'll probably just buy physical books going forward.


Actually Amazon recently won a judgement that will allow them to charge what they like for the e-books (Apple and the major publishing houses were colluding and price=fixing)

ladyfortuna: My husband got a free Kindle at work and ended up giving it to me since he never used it. I have about 25 books in .rtf that I bought when Baen publishing opened their entire backlog for purchase a la 'Humble Bundle' pricing. Amazon of course won't let me just transfer them over, I have to send each one separately to be converted or some horse-shiat. Hence why I haven't gotten around to it yet.


Don't they still give you a USB cable? I know it takes all of 3 minutes to download in the Kindle format from Baen and move them to your Kindle via a cable. I wouldn't use whisper net for anything but Amazon products. I've made extensive use of Baen, both their free library and purchasing crap. The Kindle reads just about all formats and if it doesn't Callibre can change the file to something it can.
 
2012-11-18 07:01:40 PM

DoctorCal: patternmatch: DoctorCal: Kimpak: DoctorCal: FirstNationalBastard: See, I can't throw support behind a device that will allow someone to delete books I paid for on a whim.

No one will be deleting my paperback copy of a novel because some bullshiat terms of service changed or a licensing agreement ran out.

Or because you stopped paying a subscription fee

Or, you could...you know back up the file from your kindle. If amazon pulls the licence you just load the thing back on from your back up and turn wireless off till you finish it.

Oh. So....steal it? I don't need a kindle to do that.

If you've already paid for it, and are taking steps to prevent it being taken away from you, how is that "stealing" it?

What is this "it" that you thing has been paid for? If you think it's ownership of a digital copy of a book, you're entirely mistaken.


I am well aware of the one-sided "licensing" crap that prevails in the industry. My point is that retaining an electronic copy of a work in defiance of such one-sided licensing crap is not morally equivalent to stealing.  And it should not be legally so, either...perhaps one day the pendulum will swing back in favor of the people.
 
2012-11-18 07:02:20 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: saintwrathchild: Pipe down, Moses.

>:-/

*says something disparaging about the Steve Guttenberg printing press from afar*


Spoken like a true stonecutter...
 
2012-11-18 07:03:09 PM

4tehsnowflakes: DamnYankees: I honestly prefer the Kindle App on my iPad to my actual Kindle.

I hate that Apple nuked all in-app purchases by e-book apps other than Itunes. I think it might have been in response to a patent suit claiming the in-app purchasing process.


Apple didn't nuke it, Amzon and other withdrew in-app purchases because Apple wanted a 30% cut of all in app sales. Amazon and B&N aren't making 30% on books or audiobooks so they would lose money on every in-app purchase from a iDevice.
 
2012-11-18 07:05:48 PM

theflatline: Ebooks have a warmer, heavier sound.


I've never heard an Ebook, but I doubt you're surprised about that
 
2012-11-18 07:09:55 PM

RandomAxe: All_Farked_Up: Amazon is actually one of the better ones as individuals can sell their own books without a publishing contract.

Yes, but this is ridiculous on its face. You ought to be able to buy content directly from the individuals, online, or through any licensed third-party merchant. Piracy is obviously an issue, but proprietary formats that consumers are slaved to are bullshiat. Kindle owners, for instance, generally don't realize how they've tied their genitals to Amazon until Amazon decides to drive off in a huff.


There is a plugin for Calibre which allows you to strip all DRM from a kindle book. Arrggghhhh...no slavery be here...

/ Hurray for DRM-free .MOBI format
/ Also Kindle App on Ipad2 or 3 is the best out there - you get 318ppi resolution (better then normal 300dpi print quality)
 
2012-11-18 07:23:14 PM
My Kindle is useful to me for one reason - I live abroad, and English-language books are expensive and, unless you just want bestsellers, often a pain in the ass to acquire. So now rather than either paying through the nose or bringing an extra suitcase to "stock up" on books during trips home, I have access to a wealth of reading material.

I picked up a Paperwhite on my last visit...I feel like it's the first e-reader that's finally getting close to what I want out of one. Good display, and the backlighting makes it a hell of a lot easier to read in less-than-ideal lighting. Tablets and phones are designed for crap like Angry Birds, not reading. Give me e-ink or give me death.

That said, if I was still in the US, I doubt I'd own one. Not because I'm some luddite, but because I prefer to keep my library manageable by reselling books on Amazon/Ebay/to local used bookstores when I'm done, if I don't think they're ones I'll re-read. Besides clearing shelf space, it also helps to fund yet more book purchases.

There's no such thing as a used e-book, and Amazon/Apple/the publishers are going to make damn sure there never will be.

/Internet high-five to whoever mentioned Bookman's upthread
 
2012-11-18 07:29:15 PM

Nefarious: HotIgneous Intruder:
ladyfortuna: My husband got a free Kindle at work and ended up giving it to me since he never used it. I have about 25 books in .rtf that I bought when Baen publishing opened their entire backlog for purchase a la 'Humble Bundle' pricing. Amazon of course won't let me just transfer them over, I have to send each one separately to be converted or some horse-shiat. Hence why I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Don't they still give you a USB cable? I know it takes all of 3 minutes to download in the Kindle format from Baen and move them to your Kindle via a cable. I wouldn't use whisper net for anything but Amazon products. I've made extensive use of Baen, both their free library and purchasing crap. The Kindle reads just about all formats and if it doesn't Callibre can change the file to something it can.


I bought them a couple of years before I got the Kindle; yeah, I have the cable, but I was under the impression freaking .rtf should easily go on just about any e-reader, so I haven't looked into figuring out what login I used to buy them the first time, much less redownloading them if I am even able to.

I'm in college and running a business, I've hardly had time to read anything more than Fark for three months now, so its not exactly high priority at this point.
 
2012-11-18 07:35:36 PM

patternmatch:
I am well aware of the one-sided "licensing" crap that prevails in the industry. My point is that retaining an electronic copy of a work in defiance of such one-sided licensing crap is not morally equivalent to stealing.  And it should not be legally so, either...perhaps one day the pendulum will swing back in favor of the people.


Not only is it "not stealing", in a lot of nations (like my home country, Canada) it's your explicit right to do whatever the hell you want to your media for your own personal use. It only becomes an issue if you start distributing it in some fashion.

Just like you could always record a radio broadcast of a song onto a mix tape, you can change your ebook files to whatever format you like. Portraying that as "stealing" is beyond ridiculous.

And yes, if I could download a goddamn car, of course I would. If that means car companies go bankrupt; so be it. We've got freely downloadable cars; we don't need the car manufacturers any more. Kind of like how farriers aren't in high demand lately, either. Your business being archaic and unnecessary does not mean you have the legal right to force people to use it rather than the better, cheaper alternative.
 
2012-11-18 07:59:19 PM

FitzShivering:
/plus, it fits in even the smallest pocket!



I'm a girl, I'm pretty our pockets are merely for decorative purposes, seriously, I can't even fit a phone in my pocket...or my keys.....
 
2012-11-18 09:27:42 PM

El Brujo: I read almost exclusively on my iphone / kindle app. I love it.


Right there with you. Read the currently available books of 'A Song of Ice and Fire' on Kindle app on my iPhone 4. That retina screen is very easy on the eyes, and can go reverse video and read in bed very easily as well.
 
2012-11-18 10:28:13 PM
i bought my parents a pair of kindles for their birthdays/anniversary... they love it. no more trips back and forth to the library,
 
2012-11-19 12:15:52 AM
Progress. You may want to be on that train when it leaves the station next time.
 
2012-11-19 01:31:22 AM
All you people talking about paying for e-books clearly never figured out how to work the system. Download the book of your choice on your Kindle, turn off you wifi, and then proceed to return said e-book and get your money back. Just as long as you keep your wifi off until you finish the book, you're golden.

I'm not even being a crook. A guy I know that works in the Kindle department of Amazon told me. I basically use Amazon as my personal library.
 
2012-11-19 06:52:58 AM

Urinal Cake Mix: All you people talking about paying for e-books clearly never figured out how to work the system.


Either that, or we, you know, want someone to be paid for their efforts. Or something.
 
2012-11-19 12:14:19 PM

amquelbettamin: I hate turning off my kindle on the airplane takeoff and land. This is when books are best
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So you suggest that an entire business model be saved because you need to keep reading for the ten minutes those mean stewards make you turn off your book?
 
2012-11-19 01:23:21 PM

Urinal Cake Mix: All you people talking about paying for e-books clearly never figured out how to work the system. Download the book of your choice on your Kindle, turn off you wifi, and then proceed to return said e-book and get your money back. Just as long as you keep your wifi off until you finish the book, you're golden.

I'm not even being a crook. A guy I know that works in the Kindle department of Amazon told me. I basically use Amazon as my personal library.


If you have Prime, they actually lend books anyway, though I've never looked into it. My Prime membership pays for itself usually within a few months of renewal, since this shiat-hole region doesn't have any good stores.
 
2012-11-19 01:43:11 PM

Urinal Cake Mix: All you people talking about paying for e-books clearly never figured out how to work the system. Download the book of your choice on your Kindle, turn off you wifi, and then proceed to return said e-book and get your money back. Just as long as you keep your wifi off until you finish the book, you're golden.

I'm not even being a crook. A guy I know that works in the Kindle department of Amazon told me. I basically use Amazon as my personal library.


So, you're a thief then. Good to know, ass-fark. As someone who writes farking novels, just let me show you to this big bowl of dicks I'd like you to eat before you die in a fire. Just because Metalica were douchebags doesn't mean that artists should be compensated for taking huge amounts of time to create art for your enjoyment. It's not all Ganja and Cappuccinos - writing a book that's worth a damn is hard.

So the next time you do your amazon trick... no ... never mind... just eat the dicks and go die burning. The world will not miss you.
 
2012-11-19 09:53:39 PM

plewis: Urinal Cake Mix: All you people talking about paying for e-books clearly never figured out how to work the system. Download the book of your choice on your Kindle, turn off you wifi, and then proceed to return said e-book and get your money back. Just as long as you keep your wifi off until you finish the book, you're golden.

I'm not even being a crook. A guy I know that works in the Kindle department of Amazon told me. I basically use Amazon as my personal library.

So, you're a thief then. Good to know, ass-fark. As someone who writes farking novels, just let me show you to this big bowl of dicks I'd like you to eat before you die in a fire. Just because Metalica were douchebags doesn't mean that artists should be compensated for taking huge amounts of time to create art for your enjoyment. It's not all Ganja and Cappuccinos - writing a book that's worth a damn is hard.

So the next time you do your amazon trick... no ... never mind... just eat the dicks and go die burning. The world will not miss you.


You'd think an author would be better with words.
 
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