Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Another one of the evils of Capitalism. They need to nationalize all bookstores! That way, taxpayer-supported bookstores won't have to worry about making profits and can carry thousands of books that otherwise would never be read.
ladyfortuna: The only time I can deal with audio books is when I'm on a long drive. Otherwise I eventually tune it out unless it's a really great story, and sometimes even then. Something about working at the mall all those years, I think. Also I read far more quickly than any audio book can deliver a story, so there's that as well.
LouDobbsAwaaaay: My hierarchy has remained unchanged:1) Used-book stores2) Amazon3) Independent book stores4) Chain book storesI suppose if I were into E-readers, I might bump Amazon up. But I really like combing through used books and finding little gems tucked into the shelves. I found an anthology of quasi-science essays from Analog magazine at a used-book store for $6 and it was a terrific read. Just got a copy of How to Lie With Statistics for $4. The esoteric collection at a used-book store is great.
Jubeebee: mr_a: I love my Kindle. I find it easier on my eyes than books, and much more convenient.But for the love of Guttenberg, how hard could it be to run a spell checker on Kindle files?A lot of Kindle books are crap. Poorly written, poorly edited, poorly formatted. That's the tragedy of removing the gatekeeper.However, if you sample liberally before you buy, you can usually avoid the stinkers. As an author myself , I'll sample any book I see. I just send them to my phone and see what I'm dealing with. I've found some really excellent books for really cheap; you just have to have the patience to discard 80% of what you sample in order to find the gems.
DoctorCal: Kimpak: DoctorCal: FirstNationalBastard: See, I can't throw support behind a device that will allow someone to delete books I paid for on a whim.No one will be deleting my paperback copy of a novel because some bullshiat terms of service changed or a licensing agreement ran out.Or because you stopped paying a subscription feeOr, you could...you know back up the file from your kindle. If amazon pulls the licence you just load the thing back on from your back up and turn wireless off till you finish it.Oh. So....steal it? I don't need a kindle to do that.
Girion47: TuteTibiImperes: I have a nook, but I still prefer real paper books. eBook prices are far too high, oftentimes very close to the price of a real physical book.My preference overall is still the library. I can just log onto my county library site, request the book I want, and depending on if it has to be transported from another branch or not, walk in anytime from an hour to three days later to pick it up at the counter, all for free. It's a beautiful thing.That's why I pirate. The only problem is getting files converted to work on my Kindle in a format I can read it. Even harder is getting the file names to be searchable on the Kindle menu. If it's part of a series I've found I'll have 3-5 files that all start the same and I can't tell the book unless I open it and back out.
Kimpak: DoctorCal: Kimpak: DoctorCal: FirstNationalBastard: See, I can't throw support behind a device that will allow someone to delete books I paid for on a whim.No one will be deleting my paperback copy of a novel because some bullshiat terms of service changed or a licensing agreement ran out.Or because you stopped paying a subscription feeOr, you could...you know back up the file from your kindle. If amazon pulls the licence you just load the thing back on from your back up and turn wireless off till you finish it.Oh. So....steal it? I don't need a kindle to do that.Well simply put, yes. You're on Fark, I don't think you'll find too many people on here that would feel any kind of bad about that. And no you don't need a Kindle to do it, any portable computer will do. I prefer kindle (or nook, they're both fine) because its the ideal tool for the task of reading a book. (aside from an actual physical book of course). My kindle battery lasts well over a month w/o recharging, and as long as I have at least a cell signal or wifi I've constantly got a 24hr/365 bookstore at my beck and call.
sfpfc: you guys are missing the point, get outside to a used bookstore, all the fun people hang around there. I got Suttree for 2 bucks as opposed to 15 or so online.
FitzShivering: Now you can pick up even good ones for about 1 to 2 hours of minimum wage
RyansPrivates: Now where I have a problem is when people want something for free that they haven't otherwise paid for.
12349876: FitzShivering: Now you can pick up even good ones for about 1 to 2 hours of minimum wageNational minimum wage is 7.25. It's rare to find a new hardback with a list price under 25.
FitzShivering: 12349876: FitzShivering: Now you can pick up even good ones for about 1 to 2 hours of minimum wageNational minimum wage is 7.25. It's rare to find a new hardback with a list price under 25.That's a load of bollocks, or you haven't been in a book store in about 10 years.
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: >:-/*says something disparaging about the Steve Guttenberg printing press from afar*
Kimpak: 12349876: FitzShivering: Now you can pick up even good ones for about 1 to 2 hours of minimum wageNational minimum wage is 7.25. It's rare to find a new hardback with a list price under 25.I find it rare to find a bookstore selling books for the actual list price. Anyway, I think most people buy the paperbacks. IMO hardcovers are great to have the author sign and look awesome on my bookshelf, but they suck balls for actually reading. Given that most of my reading is done somewhere other than my actual library room.
Professor Horatio Hufnagel: fark Amazon. Proprietary ebook files and readers are some of the worst things to happen to publishing and the exchange of information since the Stamp Act of 1765. It wouldn't be so bad if we could trust companies like Amazon to keep their devices relatively open and compatible, but that's about as likely to happen as living on space colonies on the moon within the next five years. The very fact that people would actually support such regressive practices because it's "cheap" and "convenient" further highlights how hopeless our society is. Wonder what it'd be like to live in a world where you couldn't read anything without first buying some bullshiat device to read it? Keep purchasing your Kindle Crap, and sooner than later you won't have to wonder.
RandomAxe: All_Farked_Up: Amazon is actually one of the better ones as individuals can sell their own books without a publishing contract.Yes, but this is ridiculous on its face. You ought to be able to buy content directly from the individuals, online, or through any licensed third-party merchant. Piracy is obviously an issue, but proprietary formats that consumers are slaved to are bullshiat. Kindle owners, for instance, generally don't realize how they've tied their genitals to Amazon until Amazon decides to drive off in a huff.
RandomAxe: FitzShivering: It used to cost me five or six hours of near minimum-wage work to buy a hardcover. Now you can pick up even good ones for about 1 to 2 hours of minimum wageUm, no, not if you live in the US, not unless you're talking about buying used books. We stock new books for certain titles, and, for instance, one of our best sellers is Casual Vacancy. Its list price is $35, although we sell it at 20% off. Minimum wage here is $7.40 before taxes.In 1985, a similar book would have cost around $16 new, and minimum wage was around $3.30. Adjusted for inflation, nothing much has changed. In 1970, the book would have cost around $6, and minimum wage was about $1.60, so adjusted for inflation books were significantly cheaper back then.
FitzShivering: Books are so historically cheap, I don't understand why anyone would steal them.
FitzShivering: $20 straight off Amazon on.
RandomAxe: buttcat: You're right - we would all be paying $12.99 for a book from Apple's bookstore then a few years later, an additional $2.99 to make it DRM free.Well, it's optimistic of me, but I think that competition and greed would keep the ebook prices lower.
RexTalionis: The fact that I no longer have to waste time flipping pages with my Kindle has meant that my reading speed is dramatically quicker.
LouDobbsAwaaaay: FitzShivering: Books are so historically cheap, I don't understand why anyone would steal them.True for everything except textbooks. My God, do they gouge the living shiat out of textbooks. And E-textbooks still cost 90% of the hardcover book price for some reason.
Kimpak: Cyrusv10: dmax: Look forward 500 years. Electricity may or may not be plentiful.Things "written" on computers will be lost. Only things on hard copy would remain, just like we read the ancient grocery lists of our ancestors.--As the article pointed out, there will always be printed books. People will always buy them. ebooks won't kill that. I think that people get this notion in their minds that Kindle's and Nooks etc.. will be the end of the printed book culture and it will be forced underground a la Fahrenheit 451. Personally I think that's a little tinfoil hatty. In my opinion, I think people from now on will have a mix of physical books and ebooks. I like my kindle for when I'm away from home and don't want to risk damaging one of my physical books by lugging it around with me.
JWideman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Another one of the evils of Capitalism. They need to nationalize all bookstores! That way, taxpayer-supported bookstores won't have to worry about making profits and can carry thousands of books that otherwise would never be read.You mean like... libraries?
MrHelpful: FTA: "It started when I was eighteen and decided I'd never eat at McDonald's again, claiming they were too big, too greedy. This was hard to explain to my friends, who liked cheap food, but they humored me and we ate at Burger King instead. "Wow. The author actually typed that with a straight face. What an idiot.
RandomAxe: Disclosure: I manage a used book store that's perpetually on the verge of going out of business.Amazon is not why bookstores go out of business. Mismanagement of bookstores and the idiocy of the US publishing industry are among the top reasons that bookstores go out of business. Amazon is terrible in many, many, many ways, as anyone bright who shops with them frequently will notice, but that's beside the point. And they stay in business because they're very convenient and have few real competitors.Ebooks are also not why bookstores go out of business. That said, current e-readers are terrible -- their design is driven by marketing crap, not technology or usability, and consumers will continue to get stuck with crap readers if they never hold out for something better. In fact, the trend that seems likely is that tablet computers will eat the reader market whole, and a few years from now you'll be slightly embarrassed to admit that you shelled out actual money for a Nook or Kindle.I never liked Steve Jobs, but if he were still alive very few people would be buying a Nook or Kindle. Or paying as much as $5 for a typical ebook. I'm just saying.
FitzShivering: Also might be worth pointing out that the fun thing about books is things like "average hardcover price" per year are available if you do some research, and you'll see quite clearly that the average hardcover price has been decreasing over the last decade or so (with the additional point that books have been further discounted, not to mention the lack of need to even leave the house to buy them), while wages have been going up. Books _are_ cheaper than they have ever been, with all the options available. It's hard fact. You're going to find a genre where it isn't true, or find some moron who goes to B&N and pays list (though with all the 10% off stickers, that might be a chore), but there's very little logical argument to be made that books are more expensive now.
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