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(Political Carnival)   Meghan McCain: "If I don't see some changes in next 4 years, I'm going to consider registering as an Independent"   (thepoliticalcarnival.net) divider line 168
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2012-11-19 12:18:44 AM  
We Republicans need to look at the future instead of living in the past

Her father is a major part of that past.

The future he helped to bring about was Sarah Palin.

Thanks for nothing
 
2012-11-19 12:27:42 AM  
Weird.

Failing of logic?

A number of people are taking me to task for saying all independents are republicans relabeled.

But that's not what I said.

What I said was "republicans who don't want to wear the (R) badge call themselves independents."

Even if I had said "Libertarian" then we couldn't go 100% the other way; there are even some libertarians who aren't just Republicans who don't want the Republican label.

Anyway, this is an "All of A is B, but not all of B is A" situation. Sorry if you were confused.
 
2012-11-19 01:41:43 AM  
Are moderate Republicans like Megs here gonna leave the party or are they gonna kick out the social conservative lunatics who've hijacked the party?

Moderate Republicans are in no position to call the shots, and they haven't been for well over a decade if not longer. They get to whine and moan about how the party left them, but do you notice they never actually do anything? Take this story for example... an ultimatum that takes four years to kick in isn't exactly threatening.
 
2012-11-19 02:54:10 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Are moderate Republicans like Megs here gonna leave the party or are they gonna kick out the social conservative lunatics who've hijacked the party?

Moderate Republicans are in no position to call the shots, and they haven't been for well over a decade if not longer. They get to whine and moan about how the party left them, but do you notice they never actually do anything? Take this story for example... an ultimatum that takes four years to kick in isn't exactly threatening.


As much as I detest the GOP, that's not a fair characterization of a lot of people who are "moderates".

The biggest problem that the party has is that their local chapters are all run by either christian fundementalists or teahadists. Basically the grass roots has weeds and the problem is so bad that the weedkiller is going to destroy your lawn.
 
2012-11-19 03:31:07 AM  

TwistedFark: As much as I detest the GOP, that's not a fair characterization of a lot of people who are "moderates".

The biggest problem that the party has is that their local chapters are all run by either christian fundementalists or teahadists. Basically the grass roots has weeds and the problem is so bad that the weedkiller is going to destroy your lawn.


And who handed over the keys to the fundamentalists? The moderates. Who welcomed the fundamentalists in with open arms, knowing they were the key to victory on election day? The moderates. Who sat by while the fundamentalists gained power and took control of the party? The moderates. Who never said so much as a word of complaint as long as they were still winning at the voting booth? The moderates.

And now - NOW - that it has all gone to hell they whine. fark them. They caused this problem and they refuse to accept even the slightest responsibility. The party didn't leave them... they gave it away on a silver platter topped with a red bow. Meanwhile all of America is paying for their mistake.
 
2012-11-19 05:50:48 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness...


You make basically the same point in every thread on the poli tab that you post on.

We get it, move on already.
 
2012-11-19 07:32:50 AM  

The Why Not Guy: TwistedFark: As much as I detest the GOP, that's not a fair characterization of a lot of people who are "moderates".

The biggest problem that the party has is that their local chapters are all run by either christian fundementalists or teahadists. Basically the grass roots has weeds and the problem is so bad that the weedkiller is going to destroy your lawn.

And who handed over the keys to the fundamentalists? The moderates. Who welcomed the fundamentalists in with open arms, knowing they were the key to victory on election day? The moderates. Who sat by while the fundamentalists gained power and took control of the party? The moderates. Who never said so much as a word of complaint as long as they were still winning at the voting booth? The moderates.

And now - NOW - that it has all gone to hell they whine. fark them. They caused this problem and they refuse to accept even the slightest responsibility. The party didn't leave them... they gave it away on a silver platter topped with a red bow. Meanwhile all of America is paying for their mistake.


You're actually quite wrong about this. Boy, I wish I could remember the name of the book - but there was an excellent piece done about how the religious fundementalists actively conspired (well, not evilly conspired, but intelligently) to take over local party aparatus.

Here is a pretty good article from 1994 that talks a bit about what happened and the position that GOP moderates found themselves in. Saying that they "welcomed them with open arms" is not really accurate. More like, they woke up and realized they were in the living room eating their lunch and then couldn't figure out how to get rid of them.

Really, you should do a fair bit more reading about this - firstly because it's absolutely fascinating and secondly so that you can have a better understanding of what the GOP is up against, and how it is likely to unfold. Hint: not pretty.
 
2012-11-19 07:35:09 AM  
I don't care what y'all say:

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She's pretty.
 
2012-11-19 08:38:41 AM  

TwistedFark: More like, they woke up and realized they were in the living room eating their lunch and then couldn't figure out how to get rid of them.


Then they weren't paying attention because despite your description it didn't happen overnight, and I don't recall hearing a single word of complaint from moderate Republicans about the religious right taking over the GOP until late in George W. Bush's second term.

Let's reverse the situation and see how it holds up. If a crazy faction started exerting control in the Democratic Party I would be aware of it LONG before it reached the point of no return.

Sorry, I'm holding the moderates responsible. Even if they didn't hold the door open, they say by and did nothing for years because they were winning elections. .
 
2012-11-19 09:04:26 AM  
Wait. She was the one who "voted with my pocketbook" and ignored the party's stance on abortion and other issues.

Yeah, she can fark off.
 
2012-11-19 10:00:51 AM  

Primum: Big farkin' tits. Damn I'd like to stick my dick between them big-ass boobs.


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2012-11-19 12:56:08 PM  
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2012-11-19 02:44:32 PM  

JohnnyC: Essentially what it comes down to is that there is only one major party that I find common ground with. That doesn't make me a Democrat in disguise, it makes me an independent with unfortunately limited choices.


From the functional stance of the categories identified by cluster analysis? Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to....
 
2012-11-19 04:16:31 PM  

The Why Not Guy: TwistedFark: More like, they woke up and realized they were in the living room eating their lunch and then couldn't figure out how to get rid of them.

Then they weren't paying attention because despite your description it didn't happen overnight, and I don't recall hearing a single word of complaint from moderate Republicans about the religious right taking over the GOP until late in George W. Bush's second term.

Let's reverse the situation and see how it holds up. If a crazy faction started exerting control in the Democratic Party I would be aware of it LONG before it reached the point of no return.

Sorry, I'm holding the moderates responsible. Even if they didn't hold the door open, they say by and did nothing for years because they were winning elections. .


Did you bother to read the article? It was from 1994. They were complaining. Hell, they were complaining before that during reagans term. They just couldn't do anything about it.

They got outmanuevered by the christian right. If you want to hold them accountable for that (basically being bad at their own internal party politics) then fine I suppose. Also I don't understand how you think the Democrats would be immune from this. It's not like you can actually stop it - all you need to do is start taking over the local organisations, once you have enough of them in control then you can start electing the national representatives for the party.

I'm going to guess that you don't really understand how political parties are run and how they elect their officers?
 
2012-11-19 10:42:13 PM  

GAT_00: But she'll still vote for Republicans across the board.


Right. Like a Fark Independent. Like all those independents we saw breaking for Romney to the surprise of no one.
 
2012-11-20 01:22:31 AM  

TwistedFark: They just couldn't do anything about it.

Horse shiat. They didn't even try.

Also I don't understand how you think the Democrats would be immune from this.

I said no such thing. I said if it happened to the Democrats (which is pretty much the opposite of saying they're immune) I would be aware of it long before it reached the point of no return.

Past experience has shown me that once someone starts putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, the conversation is over. Enjoy the rest of your week.

 
2012-11-20 01:24:59 AM  
Here's a repost with proper tagging.

They just couldn't do anything about it.

Horse shiat. They didn't even try.

Also I don't understand how you think the Democrats would be immune from this.

I said no such thing. I said if it happened to the Democrats (which is pretty much the opposite of saying they're immune) I would be aware of it long before it reached the point of no return.

Past experience has shown me that once someone starts putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, the conversation is over. Enjoy the rest of your week.
 
2012-11-21 01:22:10 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Here's a repost with proper tagging.

They just couldn't do anything about it.

Horse shiat. They didn't even try.

Also I don't understand how you think the Democrats would be immune from this.

I said no such thing. I said if it happened to the Democrats (which is pretty much the opposite of saying they're immune) I would be aware of it long before it reached the point of no return.

Past experience has shown me that once someone starts putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, the conversation is over. Enjoy the rest of your week.


Um... thanks? To be perfectly clear here - I am earnestly trying to explain the limitations of your thinking here because it's pretty clear you're missing the big picture. As much as I am a supporter of the democratic party (and I am), not understanding how the GOP got into the position it is in today means that we are in just as much danger of repeating the same folly. History, repeating, all that jazz.

I don't understand why you're so combatative about the point to be honest. It seems like your distaste for the GOP means that you are instinctively rejecting a rational argument as to why they arrived at a point, potentially helplessly so. Maybe admitting this would mean demonstrating a level of empathy for a group that you just find too repugnant to empathize with? I don't know, but it's worth pointing out and hoping that you reflect on it. I hate seeing people cloud reason with emotions.
 
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